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I'm coming up on 2 years of ownership of my Envoy. I've never owned a more trouble free vehicle. I've only had to have the wiper motor replaced. Everything else is perfect. I would purchase it again in a heartbeat.
Good luck on your next purchases!
Later, Ed
What kind of extended warranty did you get from GM after 2000 miles of use? I thought the GMPP was only available at purchase time.
Fiscus will have to answer that. I bought my GM extended warranty at delivery, but as I recall, one could buy it anytime up until the 1st anniversary date, but that the purchase price would be higher if not purchased at delivery. It's negotiable at delivery, so I presume it could be negotiable with a dealer at 1 year as well. I didn't buy my GMPP through the same dealer that I bought my Envoy. I phoned around and found it cheaper at another GM dealer.
My '02 Envoy will be 2 years old in 6 weeks. Have had no problem except for a slight sag in the passenger door weatherstripping, which I'll have them add some glue to sometime. My front bumper fascia was repainted at delivery since I noticed a couple small paint "blebs" on it. I haven't had the wiper motor problem, but I rarely drive in rain, although I do wash the vehicle occasionally, so probably get them wet then. So if it's a growing problem, hopefully there will be a TSB/recall on it someday.
The cheapest place to buy is probably online. Search for GM Protection Plan and you'll come across a number of dealers that sell the warranty online. I've bought this way for several of my GM cars/trucks and the price is usually about $200-300 lower than my local dealer. The warranty is honored at any GM dealership, even though you bought from another dealer.
Dean
I'll let you know when I get it back if this got rid of the rattle.
That's certainly a lot more serious than the two things that were rattling on mine!
Good Luck on that!
Disclaimer: I do not work for or otherwise represent G.M. or benefit from my comments here.
Frank
Frank
If you search your user name you will get everything you have ever posted too, and any reply with your name in it. Must be a conspiracy.
tidester, host
fix but this happens intermittently at other times. She is rightfully afraid to drive it and the dealer has been unable to duplicate. Chevy claims no knowledge of such a problem and has been very uncooperative. It should be eligible for the Lemon Law here in Wisconsin. Any comments
or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
GAM
TSB #03-06-04-057 10/01/2003
Intermittent Hesitation, Stumble or Idle Stall after Soak, Harsh 1-2 Shift, Slipping 1-2 Shift Followed by a Harsh Engagement (Reprogram PCM)
2002-2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer
2002-2003 GMC Envoy
2002-2003 Oldsmobile Bravada
with 4.2L Engine (VIN S - RPO LL)
Condition:
Some customers may comment on an intermittent hesitation/stumble or idle stall within minutes of starting after the vehicle has been sitting for several hours. Additionally, some customers with a 2003 model year vehicle may comment on a harsh 1-2 shift or 1-2 slip shift that has a bump feeling when 2nd gear engages.
Cause:
This condition may be caused by the EVAP diagnostic test as it opens the purge valve for a few seconds and then closes it to verify proper emission sensor operation. If the purge canister is saturated, the EVAP system on-board diagnostic test may cause the vehicle to correct for a rich condition from the canister. The vehicle would then become lean when the purge valve closes at the completion of the test. This condition occurs primarily with high RVP fuel and after the vehicle sits for several hours in a warm ambient, above 21°C (70°F). A customer who takes short trips is more likely to experience this condition, as they don't have the drive cycle that would allow the purge canister to fully re-circulate the fuel vapor
-Mark
Put on about 1K miles on it.
So far so good. I have had very good luck with GM vehicles in the past and being a supplier to GM did not hurt on the price.
Vehicle seems to have a good amount of zip.
Gas mileage only around 15MPG in town and cold weather so far. Hopefully that can improve a little bit.
There is Slight windshield visual disortion when I look out edge of passenger side. Not really a big deal.
I think the Bose System w/ 6 CD Changer was the best sounding factory system, I have looked at. It is really impressive when listening to CD's.
Looking forward to watching this Group for a while.
I am usually a Chevy person, but my local GMC Dealer gave me a better deal on the Envoy, than the Chevy dealers with the Trailblazers, and I liked the Envoy look a little better.
It appears that the top of the glass may tap slightly against the hard rubber molding.
Again, not really a big deal.
I am wondering if anyone has any comments.
Thanks.
Weather stripping is a recurrent theme that might be needing replacing. Might want to see if silicone treatment on the weather stripping helps or on close examination it might reveal something else.
My '02 Envoy XL SLT is running great, bought new but now has 34K on it. Had a couple of warranty fixes that have not recurred. Bought the extended warranty just in case.
Chris
Like many of you, I have had numerous warranty problems with my TB over the past 13 months, all of which are chronicled by others in the archives. I could fill up the page ranting about my problems and GMs initial responses, but since my ranting would not add new information to the board, I thought I would share with you some useful info that will add value to prior comments.
Most of my problems have been electrical in nature and I also had the 1500 RPM vibration/rumble described in various postings. The vibration problem was driving me nuts with no solution in sight until I read the following post from an earlier archived discussion group:
#22 of 34 my $0.02 worth... by leadfoot4 Mar 13, 2003 (10:45 am)
I have a 1997 S-10 4x4. I had a vibration in it when it was new. The dealer rebalanced the tires twice, said it was "OK". The owner,(me) said "No way". Because I have very little patience, and some mechanical aptitude, I removed the rear driveshaft, and took it to the local d'shaft shop for a balance check. They called me a couple of hours later, and said it was too badly warped to just balance out the vibration. When I went back to pick up the shaft, the shop foreman pointed to the sticker on the shaft, and said there's your problem. The sticker said "Made at Three Rivers Plant". He told me that they were getting in quite a few shafts from there that just weren't assembled "square". They made a new shaft for me, I installed it, and the truck was smooth as silk.
Took the original shaft back to the dealer, and after a few minutes of "discussion" and a ride around the block, they agreed that the shaft was indeed the problem and had GM reimburse me for the repair. They said that if they ordered another shaft through GM parts network, it would also be made at the three rivers plant, so it could be bad also. Just somthing for you guys to ponder....
I pursued the warped driveshaft idea and indeed it was my problem. However, it took two attempts at balancing by different shops to get it right. My drive shaft was also made at the Three Rivers plant and the tech who finally balanced it right said that T.R. plant has been producing badly balanced drive shafts for about 10 years. For those of you who need this done or are just interested, this is for the REAR drive shaft only, and the magic specs are less than .003 runout; and balance under .038 at both ends of the drive shaft. Cost to straighten & balance $45. and the dealer paid for it under warranty. Incidentally while I was contemplating a buyback I test drove a 2004 Pathfinder and it had the same problem -
Speaking of warranties, with all the problems I experienced I wanted some assurance from GM that my high-quality vehicle would not become a financial liability after the 36 month warranty ran out. Fortunately for me (fortunately?) all of my problems appeared within the window that qualified my new vehicle as a 'lemon' under my state's law. I had received the usual GM foot-dragging "it's a normal characteristic of the car" treatment. So, I took action and it got results. Here is how it unfolded:
1. I researched my rights under my state's lemon law and filed an official complaint to document my new car problems BEFORE I hit the end of the window. That got me on record and they were put on notice.
2. All along the way I felt they pressured me to settle for less (in a passive-agressive way). I knew what I wanted and I stuck to it. I wanted to know they would stand behind their engineering at least until my payments were finished (I had not purchased an Extended Service plan when the vehicle was new - silly me, I expect a $32K purchase should last more than 3 years).
3. I kept moving the legal process forward when the outcome was not acceptable. We were just about to go to arbitration when they finally offered me a Major Guard plan with $0 deductible and higher than average miles so I'm covered for major repairs for 2 more years after my standard warranty expires. The moral of this story is complain on record early and don't give up. Perhaps one day they'll realize quality is more than just marketing words on a glossy brochure. I knew there was a reason why I was a Toyota fan. This is what I got for 'buying American' after 9/11.
So, thanks again and I hope you all find this information useful and (sorry, tblazed) I vote for the 'butt-end-in-the-air-with-roof-racks' look, yes the lowered TB looks like the Forrester, but not quite like a minivan, however I made you all a picture so you can decide for yourselves:
A trip to the auto body shop today and the verdict is a total repaint is required.
The only lemon aide I can make of these lemons will be that the shop is willing to work with me on custom blending a more aggressive metal flake.
I have always wished I could get a bit more dazzle from the truck after detailing and now apparently I will. They will spray four panels for me each with a different level of roughness to the particles and allow me to chose my favorite.
No premium cost to do this either. Only adder for me will be the re painting of the bumpers to match
Has anybody done any hard numbers on their truck this who lives more in the Northern U.S. ?(this is the last time I’m going to show both units unless someone else who actually gives a @#$ chimes in)
Cameokid and smokiejoe welcome.
Got to wonder about those comparison photos? With similar trim packages (fender flares etc) you just might have something there with the forester.
At any rate, once again, I think tblazed's TB looks great being lowered--or leveled out. Whichever you prefer to call it.
Ron M.
I have had the vibrations in my peddle since day one, and I gave up trying to have the dealership do anything about it. I have been just living with it!
Mark
As I mentioned previously, mine was balanced twice before it was right (also, the U-joint was replaced in the process for some reason, I'm not sure why - my husband thinks it's possible they may have damaged it while removing the shaft from the car). The first shop they sent it to did not balance it correctly, and I still had a bad vibration but now it was occurring at 2100 RPM instead of 1500 RPM as before. At highway speeds my whole car would vibrate so much I couldn't see out my rear view mirror at times.
I got lucky the second time because I not only found someone who has the equipment to do cars, but has experience balancing drive shafts for race cars - so his standards are high. He let me see the drive shaft on the balancing equipment and the measurements before and after balancing so I could be confident it was done right. Write down the specs from my previous post, take them with you, and make sure your shop meets or exceeds these measurements. These are supposed to be an industry standard. I have read that some drive shafts are too badly warped to be straightened. Mine was correctable. I heard a new drive shaft can cost around $1000. If you live in the Washington DC area, I can give you the name of the shop I used because the guy was truely knowledgable and took pride in his work.
I've been driving around with my newly balanced driveshaft for a couple of days now and I have been unable to recreate the vibration. Woo-hoo! I finally can ENJOY driving my 1 y.o. 'new' truck.
http://a1driveshaft.com/abouta1.html
Their web site says "A-1 Drive Shaft can repair, manufacture or refurbish virtually any OE Drive Shaft. A-1 Drive Shaft specializes in custom made Drive Shafts, if you require a Driveline that is non-existent we can probably manufacture it for you."
Thanks in advance.
Phil
Problem: The other day a gust of wind threw open the door on my '03TB and pulled the door hinge from the body so badly that the door could not be opened or closed. The dealer bent the hinge back, allowing the door to be opened and closed, but said the hinge has been weakened and if a similar incident happens the problem will be worse. It sounds to me like GM has not adequately manufactured the hinge to the body. I expected to see the hinge welded to the body, but it looks like it is not. The Dealer's Body Shop said they are having more of these problems surface because the doors on the TB/Envoys weigh so much and can easily cause the hinge to separate from the body.
What can I do to contribute to a Recall so this manufacturing problem can be corrected?
I definitely think there is some type of bad design going on there.
FYI, see message #13509.
I definitely think there is some type of bad design going on there.
That's a problem with the weatherstripping not getting a tight enough seal. You see, when you hear that noise from the door seal, that's your cue that it's windy so you need to be careful when opening your door so you don't wind up with a broken hinge.
My work is shutting down now because we are over a foot of snow with 40mph wind gusts. Time to go bust some drifts (carefully) and pick up my wife from her job. YAHOO!
previousamigo, we have a 14" inches coming down on us as well except my wife borrows the truck for work (and has no respect for the interior or the snow drifts).
It will get better as the engine breaks in.
"There is Slight windshield visual distortion when I look out edge of passenger side."
They're all like this. The distortion is cause by the asymmetric windshield. (The outer layer of glass is thicker than the inner to help prevent against chipping.)
I think I saw a warning label on the inside of the engine compartment: Caution, do not attempt to use the windshield wipers in the rain, they may short out and stop working!!! The legal department has more minds than the design dept.
Oh well
2002 Trailblazer with 82,000 plus now. Ticking sounds have been there since day one. No harm yet--wait till you get the clutch fan going bad! Should happen about 45,000--that will wake u! and the repair price! Wind noise started just awhile ago in the drivers door. Perhaps the Hosts would know--I think that some time ago--last year i recall--one of the frequent visitors to this site found a cure--I think that it was glue in the right places around the door moulding. Right now in Jersey it ain't been above 10 degrees in a while so I think that I'll wait for a few good days befor looking further--then again it could be shrinkage due to weather?
All have a great day!! Oh by the way--Spark plugs
are about to be needin changin any body buy these things yet? Hav been looking and prices seen to be a little on the high side--but should I be surprised?
About $4 each is what I've seen for the ACDelco 41-965 plugs. Not bad for 100,000 mile plugs. Easy to change too. A lot easier anyway than on a V-type engine.
Just be thankfull it doesn't have that other very common warning label: "MADE IN CHINA"!
I don't think there are any 100% made in U.S.A. products anymore. Is a product made in America by an illegal alien sponsored by Pres. W an American product?