Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • robmarchrobmarch Member Posts: 482
    I didn't totally understand your post, were you coasting with the brakes on? or coasting down hill until almost stopped, and then tried to brake and got nothing.

    I have to admit, I think ABS is a great technology, but these comments make me nervous. My current car has no ABS and I've never locked the brakes, but have had some serious threshold stops. I would think that if the companies spent 1/10 the time looking at intelligent ABS that they spend on variable valve timing to get an extra 5 horsepower at 6500 rpm that the problem would be fixed already.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Rob has got a point.
    We all want more Umph but forget it has to stop some time.

    -Dave
  • epp1epp1 Member Posts: 48
    First - I pray they don't go to an Acura/Honda/Toyota/every-other-Nippon-made front end look. The bug eyes are part of the "look" and I love 'em. Nothing better than bearing down on someone at night with 4 big lights. As for the "Altezza-ing" of the rear - give me a break. Again, do you want it to look like an Integra or IS300?

    Second - Here in (sometimes too) friendly MN, almost every Rex owner I pass gives the standard issue nod/wave/thumbs up. Not sure if there is a special signal for "Let's race", but the only folks I've found trying to drag are the S4 owners trying to justify their expense. For the record, I did "lose" to a hopped-up, "riced-out" (why do this to a German sports car), blaze yellow S4. The kid looked like a confused, trust-fund baby fresh from the N'Suck style studio. I digress.

    --Sean
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    In the NE it's putting on your 4-ways that indicates a challenge and end of a race.

    -mike
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Just got my current R&T yesterday. I cannot believe that a reputable car mag would run such obviously Photoshopped pics as "spy photos," but then again we are living in an age of digitally enhanced everything. I understand that the star of the current surfer girl movie "Blue Crush" had her face digitally projected onto her stunt double in the surf scenes, and in the morning paper I read about a new FX TV series, shot in Toronto, that has had the Transamerica tower and other San Francisco landmarks digitally added to make T'ranna into the city by the bay. Sheesh.

    Honestly I wish the WRX styling would remain the same. The bug-eyes have grown on me and distinguish the car from anything else on the road. (Somehow the look is acceptable on the new Mini and various Mercedes, go figure.) I wish the new Forester's looks would grow on me as well.

    Would a "riced out" German car be "spaetzled out"?

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    a return to a GC8 front clip with the (what's the code for the WRX?) rear end.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I think the oval headlight theme has much merit, always did. It's just the *execution* that I take issue with.

    The new '03 MB E-Class is a perfect example of how to execute the oval headlight theme properly, IMO. The main difference between the MB E-Class and the current Impreza headlight execution is:

    • The E-Class front fender has a more pronounced taper, and the headlights are raked back at a slightly more sever angle. It's a very subtle change, but the results are astounding. You need to see a current Impreza along side a new E-Class, to really see what I'm talking about.

    • Also, the new E-Class is a longer vehicle, which tends to make the profile of the car look even sleaker. There's not much Subaru can do about that, except make the front-to-rear profile-taper even more extreme.

    All the so-called new images of the restyled new WRX *do* indicate a much more tapered front fender, which is good; I just wish they also incorporated the oval headlights into the new fender profile.

    Bob
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    I've really taken a liking to the bug eyes, and it won't bother me at all if they are different next year.

    OT-
    I saw Blue Crush last weekend and your comment kind of makes sense. There was a sort of close-up scene on a big wave. The shot didn't look like the star, nor her double (more bad digitizing?). The stunt double has a few cameos in the competetion part of the movie. Saw a Subaru or two in the movie too. :-)

    -Dennis
  • fxsfxs Member Posts: 50
    Just got back from a ~4500 RT Tuesday. Started 5AM 24Aug in NM. NM-Birmingham,Al 19 hours nonstop; BHM-DC 10 hours; DC-Brooklyn 4 hours. Arrived Monday afternoon a few hours before the evening rush. The WRX driver's seat was superb. I'm 5'10", 225lbs and my maximus never got sore. Averaged 80mph until hit traffic on I81 after a VT football game 25Aug. My police scanner and radar(not in VA) kept me ticket free. Did not see another WRX until I saw 2 in Harrison, NY outside of White Plains on the same day. A white sedan and black wagon parked in front of a garage. The upgraded radio's acoustics were great for FM from Dallas to NYC. I mainly play CDs/tapes in NM/West Texas because of poor radio programming (unless you're a CW fan)and the upgraded system has issues when you boost the bass/treble past +1 at higher volumes with CDs/tapes. My only setback was when my rear bumper got nicked by an aggressive Brooklyn parallel parker. I tried Sunoco 94 ultra but couldn't detect any performance gain in the metro traffic. My mom did smell the octane from the rear seat when we drove back from a seafood lunch at Freeport. I made this journey in my 2 old Z28s and current Tahoe over the years. The harsh ride of the Z28 plus navigating the Tahoe's tonnage made this trip exhausting in the past. The WRX is an excellent cross country AWD sports sedan/wagon for 1-2 adults. The NYC pizza around Union Square/14th ST. was great as well as the cheesecake from Junior's.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I'm sure Bat, Hypov and I would have met up with you in NY!

    -mike
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Especially after taking out the amber interior lense over the turn indicator and replacing the bulb w/a Phillips Silvervision one (is silver but blinks amber). Putting the STi scoop on helped in the "menacing" dept, tee hee. I also like the switch to the STi grille. It gives the front end a bit more of a slope and a deeper grille inset.
    image
    Stephen
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    A link re the digitized images - not just the surfers but the surf:


    http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,777678,00.html


    On topic, many if not most WRXes are blue.

    Ed

  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Another possible rendition of the '04 Impreza. It was published in the UK's EVO magazine. It's by far the best looking version that I've seen to date!

    Bob

    rsholland "Subaru Crew - Future Models II" Sep 5, 2002 11:17am
  • sensei1sensei1 Member Posts: 196
    fxs - wow, I thought my trip was long.

    Stephen - looks sharp, clean and still OEM, good job. The switch to clear looks real nice.

    Yes the bug eyes do grow on you. When the WRX first came out I thought of it as real ugly. But after sitting on my heels nearly a year before splurging, they started to look better and better. Now that I have one, I say "my car is so ugly it looks pretty". Go figure. Gotta love the car.
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Fredy: Thanks. You're right-on, the lights to grow on you. They give the WRX a lot of it's personality. It's kind of like a bull-dog lookin' for a fight or something. :-)

    Stephen
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    If it's a bulldog, then it must be jacked up on caffeine, 'cause hoo-boy! It's W-I-D-E awake!

    Yeah, that works. A bulldog on speed!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    A pug on speed, just after it saw something surprising. A gorgeous pugette?

    I don't know if Edmunds has a decal, it was just a thought. I think they have T-shirts, and I'd love one of those (hint, hint, hosts!).

    The Impreza GC8's face looked nice dressed up in the RS, but the regular Imprezas looked very plain. Check out an old Impreza L, they were totally generic Corolla/Civic/Protege look-a-likes, not that that's necessarily bad.

    I a summer with no great action flicks, IMO Blue Crush was among the better ones.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I have a friend who was impressed (no pun intended) with the old 2.5RS's handling but could not abide by the plethora of non-functional hood scoops, vents, and rear wings. I'm sure there was some "well, they ARE functional in other markets" rationale for them, but things like the little orange plastic inserts below the turn indicators turned my friend off.

    Ed
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    My wife loves the way our GC8 RS looks with all the scoops and vents. Invariably, whenever I drive it, someone asks if I have a turbo. I just smile and shrug. Keep 'em guessing.

    The styling is a bit overwrought, but it's all in good fun. Sure looks better than the current RS.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I like 'em, I was just saying that the plain Jane Impreza wasn't anything special, in fact they are very generic.

    -juice
  • sonya4sonya4 Member Posts: 92
    I prefer to think my WRX has the personality of my husky: fast, agile, strong (loves to run and run), sure-footed, will take on anything in her way, and stubborn as heck. :)

    Anyway I love those bug eyes, never thought the WRX was ugly. Seems to me there are uglier cars on the road, if we want to go in that direction!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    and the vents and leave the air-dam, and spoiler and it's pretty much functional.

    The vents could even be considered functional since they help cool the engine bay.

    -mike
  • paulv4paulv4 Member Posts: 8
    I am thinking of getting rid of my 5.0 Mustang and jumping into a WRX. Will I be dissapointed? Dealer quoted me $22,531 for a 2002 with upgraded security system and a turbo guage. Is this a good price? Thanks for your help!
  • strider98strider98 Member Posts: 89
    I bought my wagon for $ 22.3k and it's just plain jane. Thinkin about gettin the rear diffy protector, though.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The price is good. As to being disappointed? You're going from a torque-monster to a vehicle with little down low power. Can you adjust to that, and be happy? Only you can answer that.

    I'd spend as much seat time in a WRX as you can before committing your hard-earned $$. Then make a decision.

    Bob
  • paulv4paulv4 Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for your input Bob.
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    Rob
    I had light pressure on the brake coming down a moderate hill, then braked harder just before the light. The asphalt was a little cracked at that spot but not real bad. My previous experiences have been on almost rippled concrete on the approach to some rail tracks.
    Have had ABS in probably a dozen vehicles and the WRX is the only one to have this weird behaviour.
  • jimmys2jimmys2 Member Posts: 17
    My previous ride was a 5.7liter Camaro, now I drive a WRX wagon, so I have some idea of your quandary. I really like my WRX. I like that it's small and neat, well engineered and fun to drive. It's a great all round car with a smooth ride for commuting and plenty of zip and grip. That said my IROC-Z, (I couldn't part with it you see), drums up a little more thunder. I drove it for the first time in a while the other day and the first thing I noticed was the torque. Stand on the gas at any speed and it pushes you into your seat immediately. It felt particularly fast accelerating from about 60mph up. With the WRX you can be caught 'off guard' if you are in the wrong gear.(Turbo lag). The Camaro also corners flatter and grips better than my WRX (245/50r16's versus 205/55r16's), but the Camaro also has a MUCH harsher ride. Ultimately the Camaro feels faster across the board, but, the reasons I bought a WRX instead of a new Z28 are:

    1. It is a fast car, (even if it's no muscle car).
    2. It holds all my stuff and people, (not a muscle car strong point).
    3. It rides great.
    4. Excellent steering, Shifter, brakes.
    5. It's squeak and rattle free.
    6. It's different, quirky, it's also a homologated rally car.
    7. Fun to drive.

    I hope this provides some insight. My point is, you CAN transition form torque monster to small displacement turbo and still have fun but there is always a trade off somewhere. Incidently, that is a good price for a WRX. Maybe you could keep the 'stang for those days when you want to hear that V8 burble.

    Good Luck!

    -jimmys2
  • thecatthecat Member Posts: 535
    Sorry it's taken so long to respond -

    "thecat--how would you compare build quality and reliability between the RX and the WRX?"

    The RX7 had a luxo feel to it. Very well built, solid, & tight. In the 3.5 yrs I owned it, I didn't have a single problem of any kind. The WRX, while very comfortable IMO, doesn't convey the same feeling. That said, I don't think it was designed to. To me, the WRX feels more purposeful. As regards reliability that remains to be seen. So far, so good.
    - Hutch
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    $22.5 is a great deal.

    Compared to a Mustang, it'll be quieter, more refined, and ride better because of the long-travel indy suspension (sort of the opposite of what the Mustang uses).

    Engine feel will be night-and-day different. Mustangs have sort of an abrupt throttle tip-in, and immediate torque. They are easy to drive fast, but hard to drive smoothly. A WRX will build torque with rpm, though driven with skill it'll outrun the Mustang. They are smoother but require more skill to drive fast.

    Just my 2 cents'.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Catching up, but I think the current headlights would be fine if they just brought over the JDM Xenon lights. Those look sweet, IMO.

    Ken
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    I agree with Ken; out of all the lights, the JDM lights are the nicest...I happen to like the bug eyes
  • 4wdisfun4wdisfun Member Posts: 55
    I,m in the process of buying a Impreza. A friend told me to check the production or model year in the BIN serial number and the tenth digit is the production/mftg model. Please advice and if possible explain the meaning of the rest of the digits.

    Thx
  • swinga7swinga7 Member Posts: 45
    $22 grand for a new WRX? where are you? my local subbie dealer has 4 2002 WRX sedans and 5 2002 wagons that have been sitting there for about a month now and they will not budge on the $26k price tag. you'd think they'd lower the price with the 2003s coming out. thats what I'm waiting for but its not happening.

    its quite frustrating, i really want a WRX
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Since your dealer wants $26K for a 2002, it's small wonder there are 10 of 'em on the lot.

    October is traditionally the "fire sale" month for last year's models. Make sure the dealer has your number and tell him to call when he's ready to deal.

    Make them come to you.
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    At $26k, I probably would not have bought a WRX. That is what the initial dealer I visited wanted. I went on-line to www.cars.com, www.autobytel.com, and www.autoadvantage.com to get a dealer to give me a good price. The same dealership I had visited earlier was willing to give me a lower price via the internet service (through the internet sales manager).

    Give it a shot.
  • aa717driveraa717driver Member Posts: 41
    The internet is the only way to go. We have gone out of town to get the last 4 vehicles and we saved a bunch. Mostly by being in the right place at the right time. I got my car because someone ordered one and unfortuantely lost his job the day before the delivery. My wife got hers cheap because the manufacturer dumped 90 of her type on a Chicago dealer. You can make money by charging $500 over cost if you move 90 cars.

    Don't just sit around waiting for your local dealer to lower his price. You may be missing out on a good deal just across the state line.TC
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    Just to mention Van Bortel offers 03 WRX sedan for $22445. They can be found at www.vanbortelsubaru.com
  • bruticusbruticus Member Posts: 229
    22445 is for a no-options WRX. Adding the features I want (stereo upgrade, security package, rear diffy protector) pushes price to the same number I've been quoted by 2 or 3 other dealers.

    DjB
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    fitzmall.com has prices in the $22k range also, even with a few options they're under $23k.

    I'd consider taking the train to DC and driving back, seriously. It'll be broken in when you get home, as a bonus.

    -juice
  • 4wdisfun4wdisfun Member Posts: 55
    Hello everybody:

    Can somebody explain the key differences between the AWD system of Subaru and Audi. Am I comparing apples with oranges or is the same thing. Can a quattro A4 be as quickly as a Impreza with tuning packages.
    THX
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    The AWD system in the Impressa has a LSD between the front and rear wheels. Power goes to which ever grouping of wheels has the best traction when there is slippage.

    The WRX also has a rear LSD which also splits torque and power between the two rear wheels.

    I am not sure what the setup is on the quattro system, but know Subaru is very good when it comes to AWD systems since they have been doing it for quite a while and all their cars have AWD.

    The WRX is much more sporty than an A$ (unless we are talking about the S4) but the A4 is much more luxurious with a nicer ride.
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    I'm sure someone with more tech IQ will eventually chip in. Audi systems are usually a Torsen system which is a mechanical reactive system. Subarus with manual trasnmissions have a viscous coupling which is also a mechanical reactive system. Subarus with auto transmission have a system which can be proactive and is partly electrohydraulic. In theory the usual Audi system ( anything below a A8, S6 and not the TT which uses some garbage system out of the VW Golf parts bin) with Torsen could , if there is no additional traction control, stability control etc, leave you with no power to any wheel if both wheels at one end of the car have no traction. In practice none of this makes any darn difference and the 2 makes have more experience with AWD in passenger cars than probably all the other manufacturers combined. Every objective , and even not so objective, study would suggest that Subarus are more reliable though than Audis. As is my biased opinion too as the biggest piece of garbage car I ever owned was a 4000S Quattro.
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    FYI, Tirerack are selling takeoff WRX OE wheels for $79 each in case anyone needs a set for winter/racing etc. Its such a good deal, I may get them with my new snow tires. Though why I would need 3 sets of wheels I don't know! Or how to justify this to wife! But I can't pass up bargains! If I get a package from them with the wheels I only pay $200 more than if I just get the tires from the cheapest local tire store!Cost 40-50 bucks for even cheap steelies let alone OE wheels which I am sure the dealer wants close to 300 for.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    See my response in MTM.

    Audi used to have 3 torsen diffs, center, front, and rear, but that was heavy and costly. They now have a center Torsen and let traction control manage the front and rear axle.

    But we went to a BMW Event with those ramps off roaders climb to test their locking diffys, and the Audi failed to make it up.

    Then again, the WRX would too, because the front diffy is unmanaged. The VDC is the only Subie that could make it.

    -juice
  • 4wdisfun4wdisfun Member Posts: 55
    Thx for the explanation. What is VDC?.
    Also thx for the 10th digit info.
    DO YOU KNOW IF THE 03 IMPREZA HAS ANY CHANGE FROM THE 02 MODEL.
    tHX
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    4wdisfun,

    Check out Subaru's homepage at www.subaru.com for a good description of VDC.

    VDC is basically VTD plus a traction control system that can individually brake a wheel. VDC is probably the most advanced form of AWD Subaru offers today.

    The 03 Impreza has very few changes -- a new color (yellow) and the addition of a key ring light.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The lit key ring is a WRX exclusive. The RS now has fog lights standard, the Outback Sport now has remote entry standard, and the TS now has cruise control standard. That's about it.

    Bob
  • the_reel_deelthe_reel_deel Member Posts: 9
    At $26k, the A4 looks a lot better.

    At $22-23k, the WRX is just plain awsome if you don't mind the crappy interior. Although, this is not meant to be a luxury car, so its not a big deal.

    Imagine this car with a chip... Phat!
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