Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    << if you don't mind the crappy interior >>

    BMW, who *invented* the small sport sedan back in the early 1970s with the famous 2002 model, had an interior that made the WRX's interior look like that of a luxury car. Imagine that, a BMW with an interior worse than that of a Subaru!

    Bob
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    For $26K, I can get aftermarket leather covers that are of higher quality than the leatherette that comes with the $26K A4.

    A coworker of mine has an A4 1.8T. Very nice looking car. The WRX blows it out of the water in the handling and acceleration arena though. The A4 1.8T looks a little bloated and overweight. Wait a minute, that is what my coworker who owns it says! Also, the handling is a little soft.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    IMHO, don't let the different AWD systems (between Audi and Subaru, and the numerous systems Subaru has) affect your decision.

    They are all very effective and will keep you out of trouble in real world situations.

    The owner of the dealership I go to doesn't even drive the Subaru with the most advanced AWD system. He has the LL Bean (actually his wife drives that. He drives an old BRAT).

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: you don't even have to go that far back, remember the Porsche 911 RS America? Is was so light weight that it didn't even get arm rests on the doors. You got a vinyl pull strap.

    The cloth seats in the WRX are fantastic, in fact C&D rated is higher than the S4's seats and the BMW 330xi, never mind the A4's vinyl. This is supposed to be a sports car, not a couch. Fabric grips better and breathes better.

    The only other things you touch are the leather covered Momo steering wheel and the leather shift knob, so what's not to like?

    -juice
  • 4wdisfun4wdisfun Member Posts: 55
    Dennis, thx for your advice. What tuning package do you recommend (Vishnu, STI, etc). Every performance kit offered in the market seeems to be the same. I would like to know how many Hp can be increased by changing basic components such as chip, spark plugs and exhaust without going deeper into the engine.
    Thx

    p.s: I'm taking the car buying decision pretty soon and the subie is number 1 choice so far
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    you can get a 49hp (crank) increase for a grand total of 276hp. The Stage 0 involves changing to colder sparkplugs, unichip, lighter pulley w/belts, larger diameter uppipe, and manual boost controller (MBC). I have this on my WRX wagon and am quite happy. I will be upgrading to the Stage 1 pkg which includes some yet to be announced electronics and a turbo back exhaust that replaces the remaining two cats ( the pre-cat is replaced w/the Stage 0 uppipe) with one "performance" cat. The total HP (crank) is 305 w/the Stage 1.

    Stephen
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    with the stock tranny IMHO is not a wise choice.

    -mike
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    The top three (I think) are Vishnu, Cobb Tuning and TurboXS. Vishnu and Cobb probably have the longest experience tuning Subes. I've been following Shiv P. of Vishnu's posts on the i-club since 99, (as well as his Sport Compact Car articles) and he definitely believes in safe tuning.

    STi doesn't really have a package per se, although you can get a decent bump in hp with a full STi exhaust (i.e. not just the dealer STi muffler).

    Further to what paisan said, there was a post on the i-club by Simon Lines of Prodrive around a year or so ago. He felt that 250-260 was as high as you should take the hp with the stock drivetrain. One of these days, maybe N. America will get a factory backed Prodrive Performance Package like the U.K.

    Unless of course, you have deep pockets and aren't concerned with these issues. :-)

    -Dennis
  • nschulman3nschulman3 Member Posts: 125
    I am probably going to get the vishnu stage 0 as soon as my wife gets her IS 300 back from the body shop (accident) and am wondering if you have had any problems with your car since installing the stage O. I am having it installed by a dealer recommended by vishnu in New Jersey, so i'm not worried about the install. A couple of questions. Where do you feel the biggest change? Low end, top end, mid-range. Any tradeoffs or negatives other than possible warranty problems?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    You should come out to some I-club meets. We meet at least 1x a week! :)

    -mike
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I've noticed a bit more power down lower, in other words, the turbo boost seems to kick in a bit lower, about 2800 rpm vs 3000 stock. The mid-range is also a lot stronger. I find that I'm backing off power a lot sooner in my driving because the surge in power is a lot greater. I'm actually more used to it now. My brakes have definitely got more of a work-out. I think I will be replacing my stock pads soon w/Hawk HP plus, installing my SS brake lines, and new brake fluid. :-)

    On another note,300hp is fine w/the stock tranny as long as one isn't doing daily/weekly drag stip racing. Others will disagree but those that haven't abused their WRXs and have on or near 300hp have been fine.

    Stephen
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    You are right, if you never or rarely actually push the car to 300hp, then it doesn't much matter if you don't upgrade it. But then why bother upgrading the car to 300hp unless you plan to use it? I drive my cars at 75% or greater 95% of the time. :)

    -mike
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    occasionally and drag racing at the strip on a regular basis are two different things. Additionally, (based on my experience and conversations w/Shiv) I find it interesting that Shiv isn't promoting a tranny upgrade w/his Stage 1 pkg, especially given the fact that his whole power upgrading premise is reliable, daily-driven power. :-) Actually, neither does Trey @ COBB. Bring on the conspiracy theories...LOL! :-)

    Stephen
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    This is the post that I was referring to:

    http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46707&referrerid=767

    "Hi Guys

    The limit with the open deck (for 60k miles) is about 250bhp / 350nm. You can get more but the engine will not hold together for long.

    The other problem in the tranny, if you go over 280bhp/350nm you will have tranny probs.

    Simon"

    Then, of course, some others join in the debate that disagree. :-)

    Prodrive probably leans toward being more cautious, since they make a UK factory backed performance package.


    -Dennis

  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    That post was back in 2000 before the WRX even hit our shores! There has been much more real-world data from folks (myself included at 276 crank HP) w/upwards of 265 crank HP since then. COBBtuning, Vishnu, and TurboXS have all come out w/perf pkgs to start in excess of the 250HP Prodrive was talking about since then.

    Stephen
  • strider98strider98 Member Posts: 89
    has even upped that figure as well...
  • phkckphkck Member Posts: 185
    What does Subaru warrant with the 3yr 36K? Went and looked at WRX for 1st time today and salesperson said brakes and clutch were covered 3/36. Doesn't seem right to me.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Everything except for wear and tear items.

    Brakes
    Clutch
    Wipers
    Tires
    Headlights
    Alignments
    etc.

    That stuff is only covered for 12/12

    Powertrain is 6/60? IIRC

    -mike
  • robmarchrobmarch Member Posts: 482
    what exactly is their definition of powertrain.

    Also, I'm assuming that wipers means wiper housings, not blades, correct?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    meant blades. In other words the housing is part of the BtoB, the blades are "wear and tear"

    -mike
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Yes, it was back in 2000. That's why I posted it. :-) It's the same 2.0 motor that's been around for ages and the UK has more experience tuning it than the U.S. Like I posted above, of course people will disagree with this. Just passing along info. :-)

    -Dennis (who has never had a 2.0 tuned, and will sit on the sidelines for a few years and see how the reliability goes)
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    The wear items have a 1yr/12mo. warranty, IIRC.

    -Dennis
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    I would go along with Dennis on this one....I would not touch my Engine, Transmission or any other electronic component on my car. With the VTD (Variable Torque Distribution-AWD), you will definitely find lots of electronics within it, which I definitely would not want to touch. Since these electronics are proven on the rally race track, I would prefer to stick with it. I will definitely be waiting and watching though. Also, I prefer to stick to factory-stock/factory-approved methods of modification. The Prodrive package (in the UK), was approved by Subaru and was warranteed like any other Subaru car, which is why I would find that attractive.

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It's not warrantied here though :(

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Currently I'm looking at using one of the VTD trannies in the SVX if the time comes to replace that tranny. Anyone (AH specifically) know if the VTD tranny has it's own TCU?

    -mike
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Just thought I'd share this photo of a WRX police vehicle. Judging my by the RCMP on the side, I would say it's Canadian. Pretty cool...Happy Friday the 13th All! :-)

    image

    Silly in Seattle,

    Stephen
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Subies would make excellent police cars. So do the Aussie police, in that they are in common use down under.

    Bob
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Just thought I'd throw this in. This link has much more real world info than some threads I've read. :-)


    http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242599


    Stephen

  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    So does that mean you're not getting the Torquemada? :-)
    (For those that don't know -
    The Torquemada is the working name for a device being created by an i-clubber. His intention is to control the torque split on an Auto WRX the way it is controlled on the STi RA.)

    -Dennis
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    My favorite post:
    "Just for the record:
    This is one of the worst transmission threads ever, up to this point. "
    LOL!

    -Dennis
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    I know, I liked that comment too! LOL!

    Stephen
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Do you have a link for that dennis? I'd be very interested in one for the 4eat.

    -mike
  • buddy33buddy33 Member Posts: 2
    VERY interested in the WRX but my concern is that I commute literally 2 miles(about 7 min.) mon thru fri, and run home for lunch. Even WITH a little warm up the motor barely gets fully warmed. With all the short trips back and forth, does that make me a bad candidate for a WRX ? I do know that your supposed to let the turbo cool down before shutting down the motor but is that the norm if your in a hurry ? Also, does anyone know if there's much difference in performance between the sedan and the wagon because of the added heft ? Any comments would be appreciated.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Pretty much any car you drive is going to suffer under your commute. When the car has insufficient time to warm up, you get crappy fuel economy, junk in your engine from always running rich, and rust in your exhaust from condensation.

    I would suggest that you get up 15 minutes earlier and take the long way to work (at least 10 miles).

    The sedan demonstrates slightly better handling than the wagon, due to the wider track. As far as the extra weight of the wagon goes (80lbs), it's your call as to whether or not the wagon's better cargo capacity is worth it.
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    Paisan: Yes, the VTD has its own TCU.

    Dennis: Yes, "Torquemada" sounds interesting, especially, since the VTD of the Auto-WRX is the exact same piece of hardware present in the Brawny Rally ready STi Type RA, which incidentally are produced in extremely limited numbers (150 a year ??). The controller (Torquemada) that Andrew is working on, would enable the manual control of the Torque split in the Auto-WRX, just like the STi-RA, to the extent of a 0/100 or 100/0 kind of Torque-split and everything else in between, that is manually engageable, as opposed to the automatic engagement of the Auto-WRX VTD. I am still a bit of a wuss and might prefer to wait and watch until such equipments develop a track record. I am intrigued by the possibilities of this Transmission though.

    Later...AH
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    mike - http://forums.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=227548&referrerid=767


    cliff - A cool down is advised by most drivers, although it is not required by SoA nor the owner's manual. In any event, that is only after hard driving.

    For short trips, you should just make sure you stick to the "severe" portion of the maintentance items (i.e. oil change every 3,750 instead of 7,500, etc.).

    The weekday driving in my Outback Sport consisted of 6 mile trips to the bus stops. My gas mileage was lousy in town, but I never had any problems at all because of the short trips. It saw temps that ranged from 10 deg. F to 96F sitting at the bus stop. It had 73,000 miles on it when I gave it up.

    -Dennis

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    How cool is that?

    -juice
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    barresa62 Sep 13, 2002 12:55pm

    Does those wheel look like the UK 17s"?

    -Dave
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Torquemada seems like an awful lot of effort for a very limited market, i.e., racers of AT WRXes who don;t mind having their warranties voided. OTOH, if there's an opening for a gimpy-legged slushbox driver in SCCA Pro Rally....

    Ed
  • mgreene1mgreene1 Member Posts: 116
    With the WRX's fun factor, there's a good chance you'll find a longer way to and from work! I have a 22 mile commute each way but often take another 5 miles just to enjoy a favorite twisty road for the sheer fun of it.
    A lot of short trips will be harder on any car but there's nothing about the WRX to make it any worse in this regard. The difference in acceleration between the sedan and wagon will be roughly the same as between a full tank of gas and an empty tank, probably less than a couple tenths from 0-60. There will always be small differences in performance between cars due to factory tolerances and how the cars get broken-in, so someone's "fast" wagon could be quicker than another's "slow" sedan. Other major factors are heat, altitude, humidity, and air temperature, which could easily account for a couple tenths in 0-60 times. Unless you're drag racing, the difference in acceleration won't be noticable. Interestingly, some of the hardcore enthusiasts actually want wagons because of their better weight distribution, and are willing to accept the additional weight. Of course, they are probably doing some heavy duty mods to the motor and suspension. In stock trim, the sedan feels a bit more buttoned down (less body roll) but it's not a huge difference. I'd suggest test driving both back-to-back and then decide for yourself if these perceived differences are really important for the way you plan to drive. Hope this helps. ;)
  • aa717driveraa717driver Member Posts: 41
    Volvo just did a lot of pr hype about their most recent car that went over 1M miles. The owner said he warmed it up at least 2 minutes above freezing and 5 min. below. Nothing about cool down, but it's common sense that any metal that is exposed to the higher end of its heat range needs some time to "reset" before cooling to 'room temperature'.TC
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I just visited Glenn Wallace's site (New Impreza.com). He's got an interesting table comparing the specs of the US-spec WRX vs. those sold in other markets.


    Bob


    http://new-impreza.com/specs.htm

  • 4wdisfun4wdisfun Member Posts: 55
    Please advice where to buy the JDM STI HEADLAMPS.
    THX
  • barresa62barresa62 Member Posts: 1,379
    Check out http://www.vividracing.com/


    Stephen

  • stoner420stoner420 Member Posts: 165
    I nailed a perfect 1-2 shift the other morning, exactly at redline... picked up 2nd @ ~4000 rpm and it feels like you just hit the "launch" button on the space shuttle...

    Today my wife and I went to the store, and she got out to move a cart out of the way so I could park; after, she says "wow your car sounds good from the outside!"

    Driving around town later with a full load today, 4 adults + 1 baby (2 of the adults are pretty fat, so that's really like 5 'normal' adults).. didn't notice any extra lag or sluggishness, gave em a couple thrills around some corners n such ("oh, that was too fast? sorry... (*NOT*)")
  • bruticusbruticus Member Posts: 229
    Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as Stage 1 turbo kits, lighter wheels, stronger anti-roll bars, bigger brakes, an almost fanatical devotion to STi, and nice blue uniforms OH DAMN!

    DjB
  • thecatthecat Member Posts: 535
    I know somebody out there has a Vishnu stage 0 I just can't remember who. Anyway, if you read this post, I curious about the effect the smaller pulley has had on accessories like air conditioning & power steering.

    - Hutch
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    That's Stephen in Seattle. Probably doesn't effect the a/c that much there since they don't see 95-100F temps in the
    summer. :-)

    -Dennis
  • buddy33buddy33 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks for all the input !! Probably hit the Subie dealorship this weekend.(Seen a White wagon sitting on the front lot ).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: what caught my eye is that the JDM WRX produces more peak torque and 400 rpm sooner!

    Bring on AVCS, on all Subies!

    -juice
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