Did you recently take on (or consider) a loan of 84 months or longer on a car purchase?
A reporter would like to speak with you about your experience; please reach out to PR@Edmunds.com by 7/25 for details.
A reporter would like to speak with you about your experience; please reach out to PR@Edmunds.com by 7/25 for details.
Options
Comments
There were actually slightly more II's built over the next 40 years than Studebaker Avantis, which did flood the market a good bit more.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Thunderbird-Thunderbird-1963-Thunderbird-Cal- - ifornia-Black-Plate-61-62-64-T-BIRD-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a0d9a5457QQitem- - Z180616844375QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
'63 Riviera on eBay, superior condition to the Avanti, BIN $12,500:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buick-Riviera-401-V8-COUPE-1963-BUICK-RIVIERA-RUS- - T-FREE-RECENT-SERVICE-RECORDS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a0da04536QQitemZ18061- - 7233718QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
This isn't 'picking and choosing'; they're the only ones on eBay right now in this condition. Guess the market for '63 T-Birds and Rivs has fallen.
Book-wise, a '65 Riv should outbid an Avanti R2, in theory, but they're close, very close.
The later 'Birds can't really compete with either a Riv or an Avanti in value, unless it was a '63 Sport Roadster, which in that case would easily dominate either of the other two cars in value and desirability, perhaps by a factor of 2X.
I wouldn't have a T-Bird if you paid me, but I'd probably choose the Riv over the Avanti because it is a better made and better-equipped car IMO, and the styling is something just about everyone likes.
But I think the R2 would outperform either of the other two cars, no problem.
None of them, of course, can go around a corner, but that's another matter.
I think it's pretty clear from what I see on eBay, not just today but routinely, that '63 Avantis aren't in the basement of value when compared to the very cars they were marketed against new...excluding Corvette of course, which is its own league for followers and value.
They are definitely underperforming for what they are.
This may change of course but right now they don't represent a very good investment (well, does any car?) :P
Thet Riv is about as much of a stripper as they made that year. Base interior, no a/c, crank windows etc. Someone has installed a home made dash pad.
As undesirable as they come.
The T-Bird is better but a car like that really should have A/C. Also the aftermarket radio looks totally out of place.
I like the part where the seller said..."Odometer reads 5300 miles but it "might" have 105,300 miles.
Yeah, it just might!
The exterior paint on the ebay Avanti looks too dark and you can see it has many dull spots in it. That is the main problem I have with that car. It would definitely have to be repainted. With a nice paint job, it should sell for more than $20,000.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955-Cadillac-Eldorado-Biarritz-Convertible-Rare-- - 56-54-/180619476061?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a0dc27c5d
I love the part when he said "The engine is siezed but the oil looks good"
I guess that makes everything OK!
I didn't even see much value as an organ donor.
Seems like folks trot out the '95% complete' line when the car's an obvious rustbucket.
Nothing left there. Scrap has good value though.
The guy thinks is's some kind of a drag car because it happens to have a Lions Drag Strip decal on the back window.
Ah, I remember Lions quite well! Grew up (?) not far from there and made a few runs down that strip myself! It's long gone now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/54-STUDEBAKER-V-8-STREET-ROD-HOT-CUSTOM-CLASSIC-5- - 5-57-/290525363794?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43a4a93e52
Or, a mere 4000.00 will buy this one!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1951-Studebaker-Champion-Starlite-Coupe-Barn-find- -/230580608599?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35afacde57
Here's one that is already a registered driver with o/d for not much more money:
http://www.cars-on-line.com/45269.html
Obviously someone thought it worth it, as it sold fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEDAMwkcxo
I'm not sure about the claim "by popular demand" however
But ah well, it's advertising. And I must say, this particular version of the Lark does have a lot of features. We can see Studebaker trying to go upscale...it's almost like the concept of the Honda Accord 20 years too early.
I'll bet that is one gutlless wonder with the flathead six coupled to an automatic.
"While we racked up over a thousand miles behind the wheel of the GT and relished every
moment of it, we don’t think it’s a car that the little lady will enjoy driving (our’s didn’t). But
then, that’s what the right hand seat is designed for. All she has to do is sit back in that big,
comfortable bucket, relax, keep reasonably quiet, and be secure in the fact that this car was
designed with her particular man in mind. As several of our friends put it after they had driven
the GT, ‘It looks, feels and drives like a real automobile’ - which is exactly our sentiments.
Now that we’re through testing the Hawk GT and have almost finished the report, we’re kind of sorry to have to turn it back to the dealer. This is one car that has been a real pleasure to drive and one that we think offers the man in the family something quite a bit different in family-pleasure type transportation. And make no mistake about it - the Hawk GT is strictly a man’s car and S-P’s new president, Sherwood H. Egbert deserves at least one free round whenever real men congregate for having the guts to buck the frilly feminine-oriented thinking that has crept into American automobiles during the last decade."
I drove a '50 Champion automatic one time. It was wayyyy slow from a stop in "D", but if you pulled out in "L" and then shifted to "D", it wasn't too bad.
All four-door Studebakers between 1947-1952 (including the Champions) had the suicide doors. They did not have interior door lock buttons either. I remember my mom telling me to push the interior door handle forward to be certain that the door was locked. Somehow most children back then survived with suicide doors and no seatbelts. Some (but not most) Chrylser products had suicide soors through the 1954 model year.
The 1950 Studebakers were the longest because the V-8 was introduced in 1951 and it was shorter than the Commander six-cylinder engine so Studebaker shorttened the wheelbase and dropped the short wheelbase Champion body. From that point on, the Champion used the same body as the Commander. That change made the Champion 6 somewhat underpowered because it was pushing a heavier car than it was originally designed for.
My parents had a 1951 Champion and my grandpa had 1952 Champion. The cars appeared nearly identical except for the front end treatment. The 1951 most have had good undercoating because it barely rusted while the 1952 rusted so badly that the passenger's side headlight fell off after ten years. That is why grandpa bought a 1963 Lark just before he retired from Studebaker. He was disappointed and said the 1952 Cahmpion was his best car despite the rust problem.
The chrome on the 1952 was bad because of Korean War restrictions on use of chrome. Both cars started in the coldest weather and were very reliable despite their six-volt electrial systems. I cannot say the same of the 1959-1960 Lark six cylinder motors although they had 12 volt electrical systems. They were hard to start when the temperature was below zero.
It's interesting how many postwar cars from the early early 50s were a combination of the modern and the old. Styling was slowly creeping toward modernity, with Studebaker as good as any in that department, but mechanicals, especially suspension, braking and 6 cylinder engine tech, were lagging. Probably the Olds and Cadillac were the first truly modern postwar cars from top to bottom.
Manifold powered windshield wipers might seem like ancient technology but the "jeeps" I drove in the Army MPs in the mid 1970s (they were actually built by Ford) had them. Some of my buddies were amazed when the windshield wiper speed was dictated by the engine acceleration, but that was nothing new to me.
I raced to his house only to find a father and 18 year old son already there looking it over.
I couldn't believe my eyes. It was a yellow and white four door that was PERFECT except it had a broken rear door handle. The father was slowly walking around the car, touching non existant specks in the paint and making a HUGE deal over the door handle.
I told the seller " It looks like I'm too late"
The seller was about 60 and a doctor. It seems he had lost all patience with the father and son team. I heard the father say..." It's a STUDEBAKER..where will you find parts?"
Finally, the seller turned to me and asked..." Do you want it?"
I asked him how it drove and he said, "Like a dream"
I pulled out three hundred dollar bills and the deal was done.
The father said..." Wait a minute...we were here first!"
The seller said.." Yes, and for 20 minutes all you have done is find non existant faults. I don't want to sell it to you...good bye!"
And, they left.
It had all five wide whitewalls. The spare had never seen the ground and the jack was still in it's wrapper. The day it was delivered, the woman had clear plastic seat covers put in it.
The V-8 engine was smooth and silent. No radio but it had power steering, a heater and that was probably about it. I wish I had photos to post. I can't begin to describe just how pristine this car was.
At the time, we were living in an apartment with underground parking...not good.
One day, I was driving it and a guy pulled me over. He wanted to buy it bad! I told him 1000.00 and I settled for 800.00. We were in the process of buying our first house and we needed the money.
The door handle?
At the time, there was a Studebaker Dealer in downtown L.A. called Frost and French that I had heard about. The showroom was closed but service and parts was still open! I got there in the morning and there was a line of Studebakers mostly driven by little old ladies waiting for service! A lot of old time mechanics wre still there.
The Parts Dept handed me a NOS rear door handle. One of many he had in stock and explained that I had to remove one screw and it would come right out. A five minute fix!
Of all of the dozens of old cars I have owned, THAT is the one I regret selling the most.
But...that was a different time.
My 1962 VW Bug had turn signals that would blink slower and slower while waiting for a light with my headlights on. Finally they would stop blinking.
So I would give the gas pedal a push and they would start blinking again!
Studebakers are usually easy to repair. A guitar pickin man named "Cooter" drives his 1955 Champion station wagon in Santa Monica as his regular car. It seems to be all original condition and sits on the street every night, even when it rains. I wish I could post a picture of it here but I don't have a photo at my website. However it looks like the one at the far left in this image.
Notice the different paint schemes which show those built before January 1955 and those built after that date. They increased the V-8 from 224 cu.in to 259 cu.in. at that time too. The car on the far right is an early 1955 that was actually built was built in 1954 and has the 224 engine in it. Mine is the one that appears to be white, but is actually green and white with a paint scheme like the 1955 Chevy where the roof color extends down to the top of the rear fenders.
When Studebaker added more chrome trim in 1955 to make them look more like the competition, sales increased, but not enough to make a profit.
I heard from a guy who posts to the S.D.C. forum online, who used to work at Frost and French, that Frances Bavier (Aunt Bee) used to bring her '62 Lark in there for service. She later had a '66 Studebaker Daytona Sports Sedan, which she actually drove on Mayberry R.F.D.
For me, it was like stepping back into the 50's.
The parts guy told me that they had just about every part at the time that anyone could want.
I'm just glad I had the chance to see the place.
I finally sold it after it starting falling to pieces---springs broke, a tie rod snapped, and it developed a huge rear main seal leak----all due, no doubt, to the punishment I inflicted upon it. However, in my defense, it was always shiny and clean, and in its defense, I drove it many a mile.
Somedays I get an inkling to find another one of those and build a retro-rod, with a Chevy small block, fuel-injected, 5 speed tremec transmission, vintage AC---but keep the exterior completely stock.
Floor mats on top of floor mats.
It pains me to talk about this car and how I should have sealed it up somewhere. I know I'll never find another anywhere close.
Mine was an automatic and it shifted and operated like it was new.
Now that I said that "all" Speedsters were hardtops, I suppose that someone will come up with an exception to that rule, because Studebaker often made exceptions to the rules when a dealer had a firm order.
Yesterday I did know that Studebaker sold a few maroon Avantis. Recently I discovered that a few GT Hawks were built with Skylolt sixes for the export market. Another example is that the last vehicle to bear the Packard name on it was probably on a Studebaker pick-up truck that was shipped to Argentina for someoone who wanted a Packard truck.
My grandfather told me a neat story. In the 1930s a Studebaker was ordered for the Emperor of Japan. Unfortunately, a Studebaker Dictatator was the model that was selected. Someone in South Bend (maybe my Grandpa) figured that this was not the correct model to send, so they made special name plates and put them on the car so as not to cause an international incident. I believe that they named it the "Emperor" and substituted a flower for the name tag.
My Grandpa might have prevented the US from entering WW II long before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Therefore, if anyone ever discovers a Studebaker Emporer in Japan, you already know how that happened.
As Ian Flemming once said, "Never say never." (Or maybe someone else said he said that.)
I also discovered that the Studebaker Dictators were sometimes renamed "Directors" when shipped overseas http://jalopnik.com/#!400480/the-top-ten-worst-car-names. I believe that the Dictator model later became the Commander model.
What arr people thinking?
32,000 Buy it Now price??
It sounds like another guy trying to recoup his investment costs when he went WAY overboard on the wrong car!
Now, where is fintail?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-MERCEDES-190-SEDAN-CONCOURS-90-000-INVESTED-- - 200-/190498372812?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c5a967ccc
Wow...90,000 invested! Can't blame a person for trying!