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  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    lol, that scene stuck with you since 1973 eh?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,281
    edited March 2011
    lol, that scene stuck with you since 1973 eh?

    Yep; I saw it first run. Bill Hickman's work in Bullitt, The French Connection, and the Seven Ups are still head and shoulders above virtually every other car chase- they posess a sense of realism and tension that simply cannot be replicated by CGI work. I also like the driving in Ronin, Two Lane Blacktop, and Vanishing Point.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    The scene where the car plows between two cop cars is a bit too "rigged". The cars are too far apart or something. Reminded me of Deliverance - when the wood and canvas canoe gets cut in half, it starts to break before the aluminum canoe touches it (seeing the setup behind the scenes at some extra's slideshow/movie helped spot that too).

    I don't remember the other scenes in that movie, just the rapids. Ok, and the banjo player. :shades:
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    edited March 2011
    When I look at this picture I see what I believe to be some sort of intended symbolic message to us. Korean's hurting North American's. We know it's true but what a way to rub (smash) our face in it. Pun very much intended. :( :sick:

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I don't get it.
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    The North American Malibu, being crunched by a Hyundai (Korean) branded large semi-truck trailer.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited March 2011
    Seems like a stretch to me. Maybe Hyundai was the only outfit willing to donate a semi trailer to the NHTSA. You could just as easily say someone wanted to make Hyundai look bad by showing how easily the crash bar hanging down from the back of the trailer fails.

    I didn't even know what kind of sedan it was until I noticed the stenciling on the door. Didn't notice the mudflats either - I was focused on the passenger compartment.
  • juxtajuxta Posts: 44
    Neither my wife nor I noticed but there's no way I'd believe only a Hyundai trailer would be the problem unless they tested many trailers. All I could think about was that I didn't want to be in that car.

    IIHS just put the video on YouTube.
  • samm43samm43 Posts: 195
    there's no way I'd believe only a Hyundai trailer would be the problem

    Oh of course. I don't think Hyundai even makes trailers. Sorry. I know now my post was misunderstood. A few emoticons might have helped it.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited March 2011
    Hyundai makes lots of stuff - big ships, elevators, etc. So I wouldn't be surprised to see trailers with their name on them.

    Oh, for the good old days:

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  • 0patience0patience Oregon CoastPosts: 1,620
    Yep, hyundai makes trailers and containers.
    One thing about that picture is the fact that trailers are now required to have impact barriers that extend down to prevent cars from doing what it shows in that picture.
    Each trailer and semitrailer with a gross vehicle weight rating of 4,536 kg (10,000 pounds) or more, and manufactured on or after January 26, 1998, must be equipped with a rear impact guard that meets the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 223 (49 CFR 571.223) in effect at the time the vehicle was manufactured.

    One of the problems with some commercial trailers is that the impact guards are often already bent from a previous impact. Enforcement of rules that are already in place is what is needed.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited March 2011
    Isn't that the trailer's impact barrier bent under the trailer in the Malibu photo though? The story at the link says "Under-ride guards on tractor-trailers often fail in crashes".

    My guess is that the current impact barriers don't help much, even when they aren't bent. Any idea how all those formulas at the CFR line translate to approximate speeds?
  • that's right, we need to see the changes!
  • tcoop15tcoop15 Posts: 3
    That video is crazy. Wow, thanks for sharing-good post.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    A reporter is interested in talking with owners of a vehicle with a pedestrian detection system, and has experienced it in action. If you are interested in commenting on your experience, please reply to no later than 5pm PST on March 22nd, 2011 and include your name, state of residence, the make & model of your vehicle and your phone number.
  • prlady1prlady1 Posts: 573
    Did anyone have a reaction to the piece "You can learn a lot about car safety by intentionally driving into a wall" at
    Years ago at a safety conference I sat in a 5-mph crash simulator and remember feeling totally jarred from the experience and the subsequent thought of how fast cars are usually moving.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 11,025
    That's the biggest problem I see today. Drivers on the phone, texting, making a shopping list, having an intense conversation with a passenger, eating.... you name it - some seem to be doing ANYTHING to avoid having to actually pay attention to the road. Yes, it's boring just looking at the road most of the time. Really boring - until that split second when it becomes really exciting.

    I wish there were stricter enforcement of distracted driving laws. It is very easy to identify someone who is clearly not paying attention to the road, and pulling them over, if for no other reason than to have a talk with them, might be beneficial.

    A couple of weeks ago, we were on the interstate in a total traffic jam. Two out of four lanes were closed due to an accident, and traffic in the other two was moving at 3-5 MPH, when it moved at all. The guy behind us HIT us! How do you HIT someone going that slowly? There's very little stoppage distance needed at that speed, so I contend that it had to be lack of attention. When we stopped again, my boyfriend got out of the car and had a word with the guy - "hey, could you please TRY not to hit us again, dude?"

    Anyone ever confronted a distracted driver? Or just a plain, bad driver??


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  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    Perhaps manuals should be mandated. Would solve 90% of those problems.

    I don't look for confrontations, but I've been yelled at a couple times, for stupid things that offended the ignorant. Best one in my mind was an old [non-permissible content removed] in a Caravan who yelled at me for cutting across a parking lot/not driving in the lanes (mind you it was 9am and the place was empty). I told him that if he didn't like my driving, he was free to call the police. No reply.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited May 2011
    Us old guys are safer in a lot of ways. Especially in parking lots. :P

    "Data supplied to by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in a custom report show drivers age 65 and older are persistently and significantly less likely to injure or kill pedestrians in motor vehicle crashes compared with drivers in the 28 to 40 age group, who also score much worse in this regard than teenage drivers."

    NHTSA Report: Pedestrian Risk Lower In Older Drivers (AutoObserver)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    Yeah, pedestrians are often not hurt very severely when hit at 6mph :shades:

    Actually, if those stats are true ("custom report" is kind of scary), distractions such as phones and food are certainly behind it.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    It's cultural.

    "For the most part, the driving reality prevails and drivers use their expertise and best judgment to navigate safely.

    •high-intensity drivers use their own judgment about the rate of speed to travel, constantly adjusting based on traffic conditions

    •high-intensity drivers seek to accommodate.

    •Most of those who drive high-traffic freeways regularly are highly proficient drivers.

    •practice defensive driving with predominant thought given to driving needs, the road and other drivers"

    Creating A Safety Culture (AutoObserver)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    That might explain why so many around here act like they have been lobotomized once they get on a freeway - they don't do it enough.

    I'd say many of us on this site are "high intensity" drivers, myself included. I'm far from perfect, but I pay attention to everything continuously, and the lack of crashes and tickets on my record can't be out of coincidence.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited May 2011
    I'm far from perfect

    You'll get better as you get closer to my age. :D

    "With age we know that people generally make more appropriate decisions in the vehicle. They self regulate and take themselves out of situations where they perceive the risk is high. That includes not driving at night, avoiding left turns, driving during non–rush hour periods. In essence, they make themselves safer drivers by taking less risk. In younger groups, what we see is they don't have that level of judgment. They're “invincible,” per se."

    Confronting 'Age' Of Driver Distraction At MIT (AutoObserver)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    edited May 2011
    Driving at night, left turns, and driving in traffic are especially risky? Those who think so need to limit their driving to Sundays before noon :shades:

    I guess not driving at all is the best way to have less incidents.

    I don't know if the civil war vet in his pristine 20 year old Caddy going 55 in the left lane of a 60 with traffic flying around him is making an appropriate decision - something that seems to come with age.

    It's going to be scary as hell in about 20 years when the boomers get to be elderly, but won't have the ability to admit it. Many also seem to have more money than they deserve, which means behemoth motorhomes and poserfied Harleys will be even more of a problem.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited May 2011
    The only wreck I ever had was in a Datsun wagon back in the late 70's in my Memphis years.

    I pulled out of a BBQ joint going left on a four lane and hit a car in the fender. Ruined my dinner.

    The car was a nice pristine Cadillac driven by a woman toting her grandkids somewhere. :shades:

    I was around 27 at the time, and I've tried to avoid unprotected left turns ever since, especially on busier streets.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    I'd blame the food or the car :shades:

    I've never had a problem with left turns on 4+ lane roads, but they aren't the most common here in the land of congestion and divided roads.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited May 2011
    I hate them. There's a reason UPS drivers make three right turns to get where they are going. (ABC)
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    I don't know if the civil war vet in his pristine 20 year old Caddy going 55 in the left lane of a 60 with traffic flying around him is making an appropriate decision

    Hey, I'm not that old! I'm a youthful veteran of the Spanish-American War!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    I make a left turn against a sign every workday when I leave my garage - but at 0530, there are no cars to see me :shades:

    Around here, most busy roads have traffic controls and dividers.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,920
    AZ handles that problem by making everyone make U-turns. :shades:

    No kiddin'. And it often works, too.

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