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  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    Lots of u-turn lanes where I live too, due to the divided roads. It works alright, save for where the u-turn area meets a stoplight, and nobody knows what to do.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 6,920
    yep, exactly right. The first time I started turning right and somebody was whipping around on a U-turn in Tucson I almost had ta pee my pants. All of a sudden the grille of this U-turner was there in my face as I went in ta my turn!


    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    "Making a heavy vehicle lighter will improve efficiency—but it can make a vehicle less protective of its occupants unless other vehicles slim down in proportion. Even if all new vehicles are made lighter, but share the road with older, heavier vehicles, the people in newer vehicles could suffer, safety researchers say.

    Electronic stability-control systems, plus more and smarter air bags have become standard equipment. More and more SUVs were shifted off of heavy pickup-truck frames, and on to a lower-riding chassis shared with sedans or minivans.

    The result: NHTSA says the fatality rate for rollover accidents involving all SUVs was cut in half between 1999 and 2009."

    SUVs: Safer, Heavier, But What About the Gas? (WSJ)
  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Ct.Posts: 829
    ...........more money than they deserve,..........

  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,917
    edited May 2011
    Gigantic retirement entitlements, especially in the public sector, that following generations will both be broken by and unable to even approach for themselves. It's too bad the depression era parents spoiled so.
  • prlady1prlady1 Posts: 573
    Did you hear today's news that a Central California judge is allowing an unintended acceleration-related lawsuit against Toyota to move forward? AutoRemarketing Today reported "Plaintiffs are alleging that Toyota was aware that the vehicle had the potential to accelerate unexpectedly. However, Toyota supposedly would not put in a brake-override or fail-safe system 'in an effort to meet its profitability and production goals,' according to the statement from plaintiff attorneys." CEO Jeremy Anwyl reacted with these words: "Interesting idea: Toyota should have built in preventative measure for a defect that may not exist."
    What do you think?
  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    I would like to see better seatbelts. What are they called? Three-point or five-point harnesses, standard in ALL CARS by 2015. If it's good enough for a race car driver to walk away from a 200 mph impact, it's good enough for me driving maybe 75 tops.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    But also totally bulky, uncomfortable, and inconvenient. And considering that those are used in racing where the speeds are three times as high, you have to wonder if such a restraint system is necessary in light-duty vehicles when seatbelts seem to be doing their jobs in passenger cars pretty well.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Karen_SKaren_S Posts: 5,095 Offers Live Webcast of Thought-Provoking “Truly Safe?” Car Safety Conference

    SANTA MONICA, Calif. — May 20, 2011 —, the premier online resource for automotive information, today released the live webcast link for its first-ever Automotive Safety Conference on Tuesday, May 24. A live stream of the conference, which will feature counter-intuitive insights from fascinating researchers as well as updates from the safety establishment, will be available online at

    Viewers watching the conference online will also have the opportunity to participate by sending questions or comments. Conference moderators will accept feedback and questions at before and during the webcast. Viewers are also encouraged to post their thoughts on Facebook at or by tweeting @edmunds using the #safetycon hashtag.

    The safety conference promises to examine the issue of automotive safety from several new – and perhaps controversial – perspectives. Some of these visionary ideas, which are also documented in’s Car Safety Library, include:

    · “The principles of "shared space" challenge many long-standing assumptions about the meaning of safety, and the use of familiar highway engineering such as traffic signals, curbs and barriers.” (Ben Hamilton-Baillie, Architect, urban designer and movement specialist)

    · “Having your eyes on the road is not the same as having your brain focused on the road. And the health of the driver is an important factor, as the perfectly healthy 75-year-old is far more capable of driving a car than a 60-year-old suffering from Type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease and taking medication that would affect cognition, decision making, speed of processing.” (Bryan Reimer, Associate Director of the New England University Transportation Center and Research Scientist in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology AgeLab)

    · “While evaluating the effectiveness of new high-tech crash avoidance features, we need to remember that other, lower-tech road design, traffic law, and vehicle improvements also can prevent crashes and injuries.” (Adrian Lund, President of Insurance Institute for Highway Safety)

    A full schedule and list of speakers at next Tuesday’s safety conference can be found at

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  • vicenacvicenac Posts: 229
    We don't drive too fast backwards, but others are driving fast towards the back of our cars all the time.
    I have a Mazda 5 and my kids ride on the rear-most seats often. They are just a few inches from the rear door. I do not know of any evidence that this car or any other car was ever tested for protection against a rear end collision.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    "A bill was introduced in the U.S. Senate Monday that would revamp the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) powers and increase minimum penalties the agency can charge an automaker for ignoring a safety defect that leads to a recall."

    NHTSA Overhaul Bill Introduced In Senate (AutoObserver)
  • I bought a car for a friend and did all the work to be safetied it .. great safety... she couldnt' take the car as she lives in toronto and doesn't have 30,000 for a parking spot so i drove car for 2wks i love it but have a decided to sell it before safety was up. long story short sold the car...they test drove it loved it bought it...drove away with it... 4days later i get a call that they did a bunch of work on it and they want 617 bucks from me.. said they needed ball joints and alignment etc and brake lines were rusty (not wet not leaking) but they wanted them replaced so they did it) and now they want me to pay for everything!!! what the heck... first they said they want 200 then i get a call they want 617. the total bill... my question the time my safety was done it was done right.... a GOOD SAFETY and now they want more 3weeks later.... do i have to pay this or is the safety good for 36days to "resell or license" it or is it good for items to be fixed..please help..he is treatening to go to MTO and sue the dealership that did safety???
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 1,221
    edited August 2011
    Hi, djsherrib,

    The folks in the Questions About Private Sale Transactions Forum will probably have some answers for you. Just click the link to get there.

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  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    "Toyota detailed a 5-year, $50-million commitment to a variety of collaborative safety research projects and brought some of its new safety-research partners and the media to tour a sprawling new $38-million technical center near Ann Arbor, MI, built to enhance the company’s safety-testing capabilities." tml">Toyota Pledges $50M For New Safety Research (AutoObserver)
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,281
    I'd think it would be cheaper for Toyota to simply give their septuagenarian customers a refresher course on the the difference between(and the relative locations of) the brake pedal and the accelerator.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    "Hybrid vehicles do a better job of protecting occupants in crashes compared to conventional vehicles, according to a new study.

    The odds of being injured in a crash are 25 percent lower for people in hybrids than non-hybrid models, said the Highway Loss Data Institute."

    Hybrids Have Safety Edge in Crashes, Study Says (Inside Line)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    A freelance writer is working on a story about roadside emergency kits for an insurance company magazine. She’s looking for a good, personal example of why you need an emergency kit in your car -- or about that time you really you wish you'd had one. If you’d like to be interviewed, please send a brief overview of your story to Jenny at by 12/10/11.
  • 0patience0patience Oregon CoastPosts: 1,620
    My service truck is considered a commercial truck, so I am required by law to carry flares. :shades:
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    "A new frontal crash test may prod automakers to build safer vehicles.

    In the test, 25 percent of a car's driver-side front end strikes a 5-foot-tall rigid barrier at 40 miles per hour, with an average-size male dummy belted into the driver's seat.

    The test is designed to replicate what happens when the front corner of a car collides with another vehicle, or with an object such as a tree or a utility pole."

    New crash test may prompt safer cars (Detroit News)
  • There are a number of safety guidelines and laws explaining the dos and donts of driving in the rains. But are these laws followed properly? If yes, then how could so many people hurt or even lose their lives because of improper driving in the rains?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,281
    There are a number of safety guidelines and laws explaining the dos and donts of driving in the rains. But are these laws followed properly? If yes, then how could so many people hurt or even lose their lives because of improper driving in the rains?

    Laws have very little to do with it- the cause is sheer lack of driving ability. True driver training in the US is virtually non-existent, which is why I sent my son to a two day professional driving school as well as to the BMW CCA Foundation's Street Survival course.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    "If you pack a fragile item in a strong box it is more likely to reach its destination without breaking."

    Performed poorly in test: Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, Lincoln, etc.

    Only cars to do well: Volvo S60 and Acura TL

    This 3 minute video is interesting to watch as some expensive cars seems to do a poor job at protecting occupants....
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    "Nearly 4 percent of the nation's motor vehicles were involved in a car crash in 2010, a new government report says.

    The report also notes that the last decade saw a big jump in light trucks, especially SUVs, on the nation's roads, but showed little difference in fatality risks among people in cars and SUVs."

    Fatality rate drops for crashes in passenger vehicles (Detroit News)
  • Hello,

    I currently own a 2003 Jeep Liberty that is coming up on 180K miles. If safety were not an issue, I'd probably drive it until it dies, but I recently moved to the Miami area and am concerned about the high rate of accidents here in South Florida.

    After shopping around a bit, I am leaning towards a used Volvo XC90 from around 2009 (Consumer Reports says to avoid the 2010 model, and I wouldn't necessarily let that stop me, but it is probably out of my price range.) Safety, a comfortable driving experience (I am in outside sales and sometimes spend 5+ hours per day in my car), and a price at around $20K if I am not gaining any fuel economy over the Jeep, are my 3 main priorities. I am leaning towards a white 8cyl AWD model if I can find one in that range.

    My main question: Over the past 5 or so years, what is the safest car across all categories? I have viewed the IIHS top picks, but they are broken down into different classes of cars. I am looking for a vehicle (likely a Volvo), that will provide the best protection in a highway accident and have been leaning towards the XC90 as it is big, heavy, and has Volvo's safety features.

    Thank you for any insight you can provide!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    Not sure if you all have seen this. It is worth the time to watch.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited January 2013
    "Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, the only Republican still in President Barack Obama's first-term Cabinet, said Tuesday he plans to leave the Obama administration."(Idaho Statesman)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    I don't think she would take the job. You do mean Stein???
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    oops, mean to say "oh Joan".

    As in Joan Claybrook.

    Had to look Stein up, but yeah, she has possibilities. :D
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