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So mike: what is your mileage in your M seeing the town car gets better mileage. I only average 17.2 in 60 hwy-40 city driving--not too good--could be the gas in NE and those idling stops at Dunkin Donuts :-)
SDmike--I bet that Town Car is lots quieter than the M--like driving in your recliner in your living room.
Mats: I bought the premium mats at mat4less.com. Got fronts only--$35 with free shipping--nice heavy mat with raised edges--coverage is just fair, but as long as your careful it should work out fine. It looks great in the M and the color-black--matches the agate just fine--you can also get tan or grey--I believe its the same price--such a deal!
http://www.knfilter.com/aircharger.htm
http://www.knfilters.com/fipk.htm
How does the K&N FIPK differ from the K&N Aircharger, anyway? They both seem to be one and the same -- a replacement tube, a cone filter at the end of the tube, and a plastic wall to keep some of the hot underhood air out of the filter. Assuming they both connect the engine breather hose, they are completely identical, at least for the 300M.
I'm most interested in if they have a special molded piece that connects directly to the throttle body.
Search for Wheelskins to find a place to order from.
I'm thinking this is probably usable with the Lister tube I already have installed
"mass air sensor" which hence may remove some of the emmison control devices while the FIPKis just attached to the existing mass air filter and straightens out the air flow. The FPIK documenation states that it is street legal and does not void warranty while the air charger states that it is not street legal and will remove some emmission controls.I may be reading it wrong but thats how I see it.
the FIPK is fully street legal and does not void the warranty.
the filtercharger is "off-road or racing" use,and will void warranty!
IMOP..just change it out before services.
my warranty is already dead anyhow!
this info came strait from k&n.
if both were available for a 300m, devices would look exactly the same except for the extra nipples for emissions hoses.
neither one out performs the other!
the only thing they could no say was if it fits the '99.it is only listed for the '00,and '01.
i dont believe their are any differences between any years except color and chrome are there?
have a wonderful day! andy
I'm honestly not that impressed by the Town Car. Aside from the lack of exhaust noise it doesn't seem that much quieter. Maybe it's because I always have the radio cranked up in Big Red. heh. However, the car feels like it's floating rather than driving...which I don't really like. It also doesn't accelerate very strongly, even with the V8. I guess it's hard to get that battleship moving.
I rented one of those for Thanksgiving. I asked for a midsized from Hertz, & a town car is what I got. Big isn't it
The engine breather hose is to suck air into the crankshaft so it can be spit out through the PCV valve, I believe, but I did notice oily residue in the stock air plenum, which might mean it spits out stuff from the engine at times as well, which would make it an emissions thing.
I don't know why K&N would make two versions of the same thing that differ only by a hose nipple...
If that's the case it may provide a manufactured alternative to the "franken-intake" that many have put together.
this is apparent because they didnt even research all the models it fits!
im sure there are hundreds of items we dont even know works on our M`s unless people like all of us try.
my problem is mine doesnt get tested again till oct 2003.
i found a price of 227.47 shipped priorty.
anyone beating that price?
I'll email you the price quote again. Check your GTE account.
quote: Aircharger Kits are NOT legal for sale or use on pollution controlled vehicles. These kits replace the original air filter box and may eliminate or defeat some emission controls.
oh well... here's to a fipk
I'm not sure I want to take a $230 risk as a guinea pig, but I'd sure consider getting one if I knew it would work. I'm not too concerned about the emissions stuff because my guess is that these engines run real efficiently anyway, AND we can always put the old intake back on when we go in for inspection. My bigger concern is that the "hose" that scotian discussed contributes to the performance of the engine, and NOT connecting it will hurt performance or gas mileage.
Maybe a few emails will help. They obviously have determined through some kind of testing that the unit will fit the M. The site that roger posted listed that part for a 3.5 litre Intrepid. That tells me that it will work with the ENGINE, but how can we be sure that it fits under the hood correctly? Is the intrepid laid out the same under the hood? I also can't tell if that part comes with the replacement air box or not. Seems we need to ask K&N some questions.
Splatt - I agree with on1wheel. That "not legal" language applying to all cars is a general disclaimer that is necessary because those systems do not include any connectors for any hoses or other emission devices. I'm sure the degree of illegalness (ok, I know being a little illegal is like being a little pregnant, but hear me out..heh) differs by engine. It's possible that because of the placement and type of emission control on the M that there is very little, if any, degradation of emission quality. K&N probably just hasn't bothered to do any detailed testing on that because of their position that's illegal on all emission controlled cars.
On the M, if you make sure the engine breather is directly connected to your filtered air system, while it may not be "legal", it will not change your emissions -- a distinction that only a bottom-feeding bureaucrat would care about. And for a manufacturer to make their setup "legal," I'm sure much $$$ and red tape is involved.
Just cut a hole and slap that elbow on:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1280646&a=13764864&p=55197600&f=0
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1280646&a=13764864&p=56499581&f=0
Leaving the hose open to the air would allow either dirt to enter your crankcase (bad) or perhaps oily stuff to escape into the atmosphere (so what), or if plugged would screw up your emissions system and your engine would undoubtedly suffer (bad).
Any one have experience with chains? Any thoughts?
I wonder if I could build a tiny cone filter for that little air intake tube.
You can get tiny air filters, for example:
http://www.tognottisautoworld.com/Products/K-Nfilter/vent.asp
However, since it seems as though oily stuff sometimes exists our engine breather hose, I don't think we want to use these.
I'd like to purchase the car the car before the special financing ends.
maybe you can check with the guys in dispatch.
thanks, ron
p.s. how long does it take to ship a car from the plant to California?
Does anyone have a 2001 General Chrysler brochure or 2001 Concorde (preferred) brochure to spare? I will pay priority mail postage.
Thanks!
Tom
The trip computers on the new cars continually sample the rate of fuel flow and the speedometer speed and miles traveled. The reading you get is miles per hour divided by fuel flow, which gives instant economy (ECO). Thats why when you floor it it drops to 4-5 MPG and when you are coasting downhill with no pressure on the gas it can go to 99 MPG. The AVG ECO is the total distance traveled (since the reset button was pushed) divided by the fuel flowed since the reset button was pushed. The DTE (distance to empty)samples your last bunch of instant economy with the fuel flowed since the reset button was set. I have verified this by leaving the DTE setting on after a bunch of stop and go city driving and then pulled onto a rural road and held a steady 45-55 MPH the DTE figure actually goes up! The figures for AVG MPG are pretty close, DTE is usually not too close as I actually drove until it said 2 miles to empty and it never took near the actual capacity in the tank to fill up. Probably a saftey factor. When I rented Lincolns and Caddilacs (upgraded by being nice to the counter people)they usually seemed to read optimistically until you filled them up again before turning them in.
Tell you what... It must be a beautiful sight of all those completed Specials just sitting in the lot there though.
I have contacted Josiha tree, autobodytrim and some of the ebay sellers but they all want to do the cutouts for about $90. I just need a blank for the radio trim with no cutouts.
If you're lurking out there, I'd like some feedback on how you like your new TL-S. A lot of the TL owners are somewhat biased towards their cars (just like we 300M owners and other models), so I'd like to hear your comparison as you're the only person I've seen on the boards who has owned both. Being that the TL-S is a new model w/upgraded power, stereo, and acoustics, I imagine it's a better car than the M. But I'd be very interested to hear your impressions of one vs. the other. 3 of my family members own Acuras so I need some ammo for my holiday discussions on cars with them. BTW, your TL is a real beauty, as shown in your earlier link. Best of luck w/it.
Priority should be about $3.20 last time I checked.
Is it the Concorde-specific brochure??
Thanks!
Tom
Yes, it has better feeling leather on the seats and steering wheel.
TL-S is MUCH quieter.
You also get the HID headlights, which are quite nice.
Center armrest in TL-S is adjustable. Center console has two compartments.
TL-S has a much smoother operating automatic transmission at lower speeds. 300M used to not know what gear to be in, especially in traffic. I used to control it with AutoStick all the time to avoid gear searching.
Acceleration from 0 to 60 to 90 is a blast.
Brakes are very good.
But you lose 6 speakers and a whole bunch of watts in the stereo (300M has 11 speakers and 360 watts, TL - 5 speakers and not as many watts)
300M has the feature that moves the driver's seat a couple of inches back when the key is taken out of ignition. TL does not have that.
300M has the trip computer, TL (non-NAV) does not have that
300M's door locking can be reprogrammed, TL does not offer any programming
300M has separate courtesy lights for each rear passenger. TL has a centrally mounted dome light
300M has auto headlights, TL does not
300M has feature that automatically turns on headlights if you have been using wipers for a few seconds. TL does not have this.
TL's trunk has gooseneck hinges. All my previous cars had struts. I like struts better.
TL's rear seats don't fold. But the pass-through is lockable and there is a valet key that can't open the pass-through or the trunk. 300M does not have a valet key.
300M turns quite nicely and can fishtail or drift. TL turns quite nicely, but my impression is that when it gets too tight TL continues trying to grip whereas 300M will drift a bit. End result - TL loses momentum while 300M makes the turn. Maybe TL needs wider tires (stock are 215 vs 300M's 225)
My impression is that past 90 mph, 300M accelerates better. Sometimes my TL feels moody and is not very willing to downshift and go faster at 90. Even if I try to downshift it with the SportShift. 300M does very well in 3rd at 90 and has a strong pull. 300M has no problem downshifting with AutoStick from 4th to 3rd at 90 and stays in 3rd up to 110+mph. I have been able to keep up with RX-7 in 3rd and 4th when I had my 300M.
TL-S does not seem to want to downshift from 4th to 3rd at 90. "3" flashes for a second and then returns to "4". 4th gear is not very aggressive, there seems to be little difference between 4th and 5th.
Overall I like TL-S a lot but keep thinking about my 300M.
I'm new here and located in the (not so cold and snowy - this year anyway) state of "Minnesnowta", I'm patiently awaiting delivery of my new 300M Special. Our friend "Otto" has been keeping me informed of its progress and let me know that it received its coat of silver paint yesterday. So the birth announcement should be coming shortly.
This looks like a pretty cool place to hang out and shoot the breeze (heck you even let Acuras hang around! LOL!).
I know this probably isn't a very appropriate comparison...since the MSRP's of both vehicle's is way off. However, given that I continue to see the base Caddy's discounted to the point that it's within 4-8K of the 300M, it's potentially starting to make sense to consider the Caddy from a price point of view.
Personally, I'm still leaning towards the 300M whereas my wife leans towards the Deville. Even though the Caddy's are practically being given away...it seems like the 300M is still better value.
Therefore, I've come to this board seeking help convincing me towards either the Deville or 300M. I guess what I'm looking for is key points on either side with respect to styling, interior, reliability & build quality, value, engine/handling, etc...
Thanks again and looking forward to all your responses.
Sean.
DTE - I've always found it screwy at the low end. It says 10-12mi and I put in 13-14 gal. Even at the 18mpg it says I'm getting were talking 40-50mi. I don't like it at 0 - even though I know it's 1-2 gal, I don't trust it. However, since I drive 35+mi to work each way, I fill up at half full. It's about 1/4 tank round trip so leaving work with a low tank can be very dangerous