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The old body style 1999 C/K1500 is available now at Chevy dealers. I drove one before deciding on a 1998 K1500. For similar equipment, the '99 C/K series is only about $300 more than the 1998 but the '98 C/K1500 has a $750 rebate through the end of July (tomorrow) which makes it about $1,000 less. I have also reviewed 1999 Silverado preliminary pricing and it looks like the '99 Silverado's, new body style, is about 5% more than a 1998 C/K 1500. All things considered including price increase, no rebate and interest on financing a truck over 5 years, a 1999 loaded Silverado will cost approx. $3,000 more than a 1998 C/K 1500 over 5 years. This assumes the new 5.3L engine will get the same mileage as the current 5.7L. If the 5.3 in fact gets much better mileage and has decent torque, that would change the cost over 5 years.
Now that the strike is over, unless another one springs up, it will be interesting to see what kind of quality and performance the '99 Silverado will have if we ever see one at a dealer.
I talked to a local Wisconsin dealer of strictly Chevrolets and he said they expect one new 1999 Silverado at their dealership by the last week in August. It will not be for sale and it will not be able to drive - Show only! They are taking orders on them and expect delivery whenever - they have no clue. They said it could be 3 months - 5 months The dealership manager I talked to actually got to drive a new 1999 Extended Cab and absolutely loved it. The new engines had much more torque at only 1,600 rpms vs. the old 350. He said they have more pulling power off the line with the much flater torque curve. He also said the 4800 is more than enough power and expects more sales with the new 4800 vs. the 5300 which costs $700.00 more in retail costs. You can get the 4800 engine as standard equipment and just add either a 3.73 or 4.10 rear axle ratio at no cost for added pulling power. The torque has minimal difference between the two engines unless you really expect to be pulling most of the time with the truck. Then and only then opt for the 5300 engine.
Drove a 99 yesterday. Had it at a magizine test site. THey were comparing different trucks. It was a silverado short box LT x-cab. The chevy had the best off raod prowlis and the best room of any of the x-cab. The hell if it dosen't have four doors, it has the most room. Incedible truck. Have to drive it to see what i mean. THe x-cab had enough room for me(6'5) with the front seat half way back. Tom P.S. it was the 5.3 and it had plenty of balls for its size.
The prices are out now on Chevrolet Dealerships computers right now. It is really hard to compare to the old 98 pricing, but when I priced out my 1998 exact same options to a comparable 99 new model Silverado, the pricing went up to a close $1,000. Instead of for the 1998 MSRP of $29,000 it went to MSRP of $30,000 which equates to a 3-4 percent increase. Not too bad considering a completely re-designed truck inside and out. Every year Chevy raises their truck prices 3-4 percent anyways, so that is nothing new or surprising. One thing I wanted which the computers said is not an option is a CD player/cassette combo with a full split bench seat. I cannot get the CD player with a cassette unless I opt for the bucket seats. The stupid reasoning behind it is that the new Silverados is taking a S-10 Blazer approach where the CD player is mounted now separately underneath the radio equipment all by itself. Chevy must feel that with a bench seat, the middle person in the front seat would not be able to sit comfortably with the CD player in the way. Dumb move on GM's part!
To glenn2: What do you mean by your comment on the ne 1999's being some jewels? Do you think that the product quality will not be satisfactory or what?
I honestly don't think GM or the UAW will gamble with the quality of the new trucks. Quality has been rising on all GM vehicles for years, despite all the strikes they have had.
Why the heck is a fourth door important to some people anyway? The Silverado's cab is over 3 inches longer than Ford and Dodge. I don't know about you, but I would rather have people riding back there have a little room to stretch out and get in on one side of the truck then have them get in on both sides then kissing there knees while there riding in it! And the new powertrains......they look like they are going to be real sweet!
I've read 3 different magazines that called the new Silverado the new #1 half ton truck. granted they were comparing that to dodge and fords '98 models, but the only change either are making is ford is giving their 5.4 enough horsepower to match last years chevy engine.
I think the UAW is actually much happier now than before the strike. They won, and they're the ones putting the trucks together. I don't think it will be bliss forever, and GM still has to downsize, their is just no way around it, but they built one hell of truck for this fall. i just wish they weren't so slow about it.
I totally agree with both of the above comments. Who needs a fourth door when three will do, especially since it is the first year for 99's and GM might screw up the third door design like they did with some 1998 third doors' structural integrity. I think GM needs to perfect the third door first before they start putting four on. As far as downsizing, GM (GMAC) cut my job two years ago, and I haven't been happier since leaving that rat race with [non-permissible content removed] non-union pay! GM needs more Indians running the show and less managers sitting on their _ss not doing one thing. That is one of GM's problems. You wonder why GM's production is so low, they don't have enough workers to produce the new trucks.
Tell that to the people involved with designing the 3-door Ford Windstar. When Chrysler introduced their 4-door mini-vans, Windstar sales went right into the crapper.
You may be right about the Windstar. Sure, If I had a family and only would want one vehicle, I would probably go for as many doors as I could put people in. To me the most appealing aspects about the new trucks are the engines. Sure, Ford & Dodge came out with all new styling.....but dropped the same old engines in their new, restyled trucks. GM on the other hand came out with a more traditional look (which builds more on the good looks of the old truck) and a whole line of new engines.
I just don't see why having 4 doors instead of 3 on an extended cab pickup would be on the same level as minivans. 2 different markets.
New to the board, but have a 97 chevy xcab 350 4x4 1/2 ton I am pulling a 5th wheel trailer with. It is a little short on power and a little soft on suspention. Am planning to look at a 99 3/4 ton. Had talked to the dealer before the strike and at that time they were expecting 3/4 tons in September but of course the strike changed all that. He told me about the new 6 litter 300 horse that will be available but the 454 is being dropped. Has anyone heard if there is a replacement coming down the road to compete with the dodge 300 horse 8 litter v-10 or the ford v-10? The dodge engine has over 100 more foot pounds of torque from what I hear than the 6 litter chevy. But I want to see and drive them first. It seems like chevy has done some nice things for towing but may be short on a power plant to pull big trailers.......By the way, I have a 3 door and only rarely do I wish it was four. Is the cab frame any weaker with a forth door? Rich
Three doors, Four doors, Engines, new designs etc. All important items to consider but I don't see any bitching about the huge price hike taken by GM on the '99 Silverado. The truck I ordered in May, a '99 Silverado LS 4x4, 5.3, automatic, extended longbed comes in at $27,650 dealer cost including freight. The same truck in a '98 version (minus the third door unavailable in a longbed) has a dealer cost of $24,600. Is this is GM's idea of "building a better truck" or gouging the public more and more? The hell with GM. I'm going over to my local Ford dealer and getting a '98 XLT configured like the Silverado (but with the third door). With the dealer incentives, I've been quoted $24,000 even. Been a Chevy driver all my life. Probably should have checked out Ford sooner!
check on the prices at somewhere other than a dealer, chairmaker. I don't believe they're that high. from what i've read, their should only have been the usual 3% increase.
RichinKs
you can't get a big torque engine in the silverado because it's a light duty truck. chevy's heavy duties won't get redesigned or new engines until next year. so if you want a big block, go with a 454 or diesel in the '99 C/K 3/4 ton or 1 ton. it is the same body style truck as the '88 to '98 versions. granted the bells and whistles are much nicer on the Silverado. the 6.0 liter has more horsepower and torque than the 350 it replaces, and lots of low-end torque, so you probably won't find it lacking as much as your current engine.
If Chevy takes a 3% hike for 99, then Ford must be lovin it as they just announced an avg .3% REDUCTION in their prices for 1999! They claim they have reduced their operating costs (i.e the f150 and the Expedition are the same from the doors forward).
Chevy is going to have to have some diehard fans to make up the ground from the strike and the price difference.
I just paid $26,790 for a 1999 F-250 SD 4X4, SC, Lariat, V-10, 4 door, tow package, leather, power everything. I feel its alot of truck for the money. Only got 1,200 mi on it but so far I'm very satisfied with it.
Many seem to think everyone has to have a 3/4 ton if you pull anything. I think it is a balance like everything else depending on the frequency of towing, how heavy the load is, fuel economy, wear and tear, annual mileage, how much you run empty etc. etc.
The biggest problem I have seen is when people tow in overdrive or pull a heavy trailer that does not have its own brakes. (Farmers in Central California frequently pull their tractors on trailers with no trailer brakes. 9 out of 10 pickups doing this are 1/2 tons) Granted a 3/4 or 1 ton would be much better, but these guys are trying to pinch pennies anywhere they can and the 1/2 tons stand up to the punishment.
I'm pulling a 5,000 boat with my '98 Chevy 1/2 ton and it handles this with ease. However when I disconnect the trailer brakes, I see a big difference and would want a 3/4 ton. As long as the trailer I pull has its own brakes I'm fine. I've yet to determine how much weight I can comfortable pull. My truck is rated to pull a 6,500 lb. trailer. The 5th wheel trailers I've been looking at are under this weight. I've yet to find a good discussion group to compare 1/2 and 3/4 ton towing applications. Maybe a new topic should be started.
RichinKs:
How heavy is the 5th wheel you are pulling and how long is it? I know alot of people who tow "pull behind" and 5th wheels with their 1/2 ton Chevys with the 350 motor. They do just fine as long as they don't pull in over drive. A 1/2 ton Chevy is actually rated to pull more than a 3/4 ton Chevy when both are equipped with the 5.7L motor and 3.73 gears. The 3/4 ton is rated to haul more in the bed though. The Chevy 3/4 ton with the 8600 GVWR rating has a stronger transmission, bigger brakes and a more heavy duty rear axle. Based on this the 3/4 ton should be rated to pull more but it isn't.
Why are you considering a 3/4 ton. Is your 1/2 ton not up to the task or are you looking for an extra margin of safety? I'm curious to know more about your experience towing with a 1/2 ton.
I liked the Ford F250 Super Duty trucks I have test driven but they were $3,000 more than a Chevy 1/2 ton with the same equipment. (this is based on paying $500 over invoice and a $750 rebate from Chevy) A Chevy 3/4 ton was within $200 of the Chevy 1/2 ton with the same equipment. Chevy 3/4 ton ext. cab 4x4 pickups are hard to find and the who knows when the new '99 Chevy's will be available. I would expect the 1/2 ton to be a little soft on suspension,(do you have the Z71 option?). The motor should have enough power (what gearing do you have and do you pull in overdrive?) unless this is a very heavy 5th wheel or has a high profile.
Glenn2: I've heard on this site to stay away from the Ford Superduty "shift on the fly" option. Also, the Ford Superduty 4x4 is too tall to fit under most if not all 5th wheel trailers.
Philwl: Sounds like you got a great deal on your new Ford. What kind of mileage are you getting and do you plan to pull a 5th wheel? If you are able to pull a 5th wheel, let us know how it works out for you as it has been reported to be a problem without modification. Also, do you have the shift on the fly option and if so, how is it working for you.
I'm getting 14-15 mpg hiway,v-10 3.73. I have a 38' travel trailer but haven't got the chance to pull it yet. A friend is getting the same truck only a diesel and ford is putting a lowering kit for pulling his 5th wheel. This kit is available at no cost. Some are having trouble with clearence without the kit others are not, must depend on type of trailer, weight, etc. As far as towing with a 1/2 or 3/4 ton I have had both. The 1/2 ton was good for small trailers, but you can really tell the difference on the larger ones or driving in cross winds. The 3/4 ton has much less sway and you feel more in control. The shift on the fly works great. Have had to use it a few times and no problems. They had a bad control module in the early ones, but any thing built after May should be fine.
Ford did provide a new line of engines when they made the big design change a few years back. That was when they started with the Triton. They'll continue to tweak it each year, but I wouldn't expect a new line of engines from any manufacturer every year.
Another example of Ford cost cutting is that they replaced the 460 with the V-10. The Triton line of engines was designed with the V-10 in mind. It shares a high percentage of parts with the V-8 and is built on the same assembly line. The 460 shared very few parts and required it's own assembly line. That is why the V-10 option only cost $285, well below the cost of the 460 option previously.
If you decide on a 1/2 ton, don't plan on getting a truck camper unless you are looking at a popup. Most of the hard wall truck campers will put you over the GVWR for the vehicle.
Make sure to factor in additional weight when you are looking at the fifth wheel trailer weights. The advertised weight of a trailer or truck camper are often "dry" weights of a basic trailer with no options. Start adding in the weight of options such as AC, generator, water in fuel in their respective tanks, etc. and the weight can increase significantly.
Alot of people say that a good rule of thumb when choosing a truck is to figure out what size truck you need to do the job you need to do and then get the next biggest. The most popular size truck for alot of RV users is the 3/4 ton. The move from a 3/4 ton to a 1 ton doesn't provide increased towing ability, so most users don't see the need to go with the stiffer suspension. The reason most people opt for the 1 ton is they need a higher GVWR for carrying a heavy truck camper, or if they anticipate putting a lot of weight in the bed.
If you're looking for a good site to discuss all issues related to tow vehicles, campers, trailers, etc., check out www.happycampers.com. They have a good BBS/Chat area with a lot of knowledgable participants.
I've heard that the GM V-10 will debut in the MY2000 GMC trucks. It will likely be offered in the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, similar to what Ford has done. It's my understanding that the Ford V-10 won't fit under the hood of the F-150.
There have been some problems with the SOF in the new Superduty trucks. Some trucks were shifting in and out of 4wd or they weren't shifting into 4wd at all. Supposedly the problems have been remedied, but I've still got my fingers crossed that I won't have problems. The SOF is a luxury.
The 4wd Superduty stands 81 inches tall (6'9"), so you won't be able to get it into many garages. Most parking garages will certainly be out.
This post doesn't talk about the new Chevy much, but everything discussed was mentioned in recent posts. As for the new Chevy, the new V-8s improve an already outstanding line of engines. The fourth door is definitely more convenient, but wouldn't be a deal killer for me. As for the structural integrity of the truck, it all depends on how much effort is put into the design. Ford claims that the four door in the Superduty Supercab actually improves the structural integrity of their cab.
regarding Ford's price reductions, that % you gave was for the whole Ford product line. The average was skewed by the huge price slashes in the down-trodden Taurus sedan(-5%) remember when it used to be the number one selling car?. Meanwhile, the profitable cash cows (i.e. F150's) will be going UP in price by at least 1%.
GM and chrysler both released that their average price would be the same for '99. but truck prices for all 3 manufacturers will go up. the more price responsive cars will take cuts. why cut prices on trucks, when people are buying them like hotcakes anyway?
4 doors, be it a mini-van or pickup, simply means more convenience. A short 4th door on the driver's side makes life just a bit easier when dealing with groceries, tools, packages, briefcase, the dog, etc., not to mention kids. Think of it as frosting on the cake.
1/2 vs 3/4 ton - My truck is the 350 but with 3.42 differentials, which is the main killer. I pull in 3rd gear, not overdrive. This keeps my rpm around 2300-2500, still below max torque. It does ok on the flat. On slight grades, the torque converter unlocks. I don't know if this is normal or not. On steep hills it slows down of course and I am passed by everyone. I had no intention of getting a fifth wheel when I bought this truck. But my biggest concern is the suspention. I put overloads on it but it seems soft and mushy. My fifth wheel is not esspecially big, 1100 pounds kingpin and 7000 total weight empty. Loaded I guess I have 1400 pounds on the kingpin and 8000 pounds. Trailer has its own brakes and is rated to 9000 pounds gross. Overall, I feel the truck has a feeling of softness in suspention I don't like. Plus I am way over what Chevy reccommends. And possibly if we like this we may get a bigger fifth wheel in the next couple of years, so I want a little extra.
I would definitely consider a lower axle ratio if you will be towing heavy alot (higher number). The Dodge drivers on this site seem to be doing fine with the 3.55, although it sounds like they tow in third quite a bit. My folks have a 35 foot fifth wheel that they tow with a 97 F-350 PSD. They tow in O/D most of the time, but they have the 4.10 axle ratio. The lower ratio will certainly help on hills. The downside is that it will cost you some mpg when driving empty. There is a decent chance, though, that your towing mpg will be better with the lower ratio.
Checked out the prices on the 1999 Silverado....not surprising. In their defense they do offer more standard equipment than the '98 models and if you equip them about the same, the difference in price is not that much if you consider what is standard on the '99s was optional on the '98s. But after the newness wears off and supplies are plentiful, Chevy will deal on these trucks. They have to......the competition's to great.
I test drove a new chevy today. I fell in love with it faster than I can say chevy. At first I was a little disappointed that they were doing away with the 350 and 305, in fact, I was hesitant to even get into the new engine. Once I got in the truck and got on the road, I was in love. I have always been a faithful chevy lover. I've read through a lot of the comments in here, and I hate to break it to ya'll, but if you were ever a loyal chevy person, it is pretty stupid to betray chevy just because you don't like the way they look. The first time I saw the new style was on Lethal Weapon 4. Even though it was a GMC and not the new silverado, I knew right then I wanted one. Once I started reading up more on the trucks, I started hesitating due to the drop of the 350. I was a solid 350 woman, but after having a taste of the new 5.3, I don't know.
One question. . .Does anyone know what, if any, the differences in the Sierra and Silverado are? Is it just the name? Price?
- Liana
PS Please. . .Do not embarass yourself by saying you WERE a loyal chevy owner until now. If you were ever truly loyal, you would have NEVER even considered a ford.
I pull with a 3.42, and mine torque convertor unlocks on hills also. I'd say you need to go with a 3/4 ton with the 3.73. that much weight on the kingpin is just right at th limit for the half ton.
I learned from a couple of different dealers, that chevy's towing numbers are low balled for liablity reasons. from what i understand, they take their towing capacity, and advertise it at least 1000 to 1500#s less, so they don't get sued by some dumb *** doing 85 with 10,000# trailer and wraps it around a pole.
Liana,
I was curious about the 4.8 engine from chevy. i have yet to hear a report on it. did you drive one, or only a 5.3. i have heard and read nothing but great reviews about the power of the 5.3. I am wondering what the power of the 4.8 is, and what upgrade cost is, to go from the 4.8 to the 5.3. Oh, i think there are several differences in the Silverado and the Sierra. GMs goal was to differentiate Sierra to an up class, drive around town, kind of truck, with more inside amenities, than the Silverado. I suspect the Sierra will be a little more expensive.
Is there anyone else with a 3.73, 350 automatic. I'm surprised about the mileage numbers from cookie1. If that's true, i wonder how much it would cost to replace my 3.42s with a set of 3.73s. probably wouldn't be worth it at this point in my trucks life. curious, though, if anyone else had that set up.
I couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately, most people go for style over substance. I don't think people dislike the looks of the new trucks, they just didn't think GM went far enough with the redesign. They forget that before Ford & Dodge restyled their trucks, GM came out with the redesigned C/K in 1988 and the style was a huge hit. Why would they want to mess with a good thing as far as the styling goes. What GM did this time around was improve powertrains, suspensions, brakes, and just about everything you don't see. Combine that with the timeless styling, you've got an attractive trucks.
I've been to several Chevy dealers here in Phoenix and not one of them have Silverados yet. Are you going to buy the one you drove Liana? If you do, let us know about it from time to time........
cdean, I checked with my dealer. He wanted $1800 to change both differentials from 3.42 to 3.73. I decided to buy a 1999 something instead. I am leaning towards the Dodge for the 8L engine. I test drove a 1997 Dodge back when I bought this 97 Chevy I have now. It wasn't too bad. I feel the 6L chevy would probably be satisfactory, but I may go to a heavier 5th wheel and want to make sure I have enough power this time. Dodge only has the 3.55 and 4.10 rear end. I wish they had something in between. I am still waiting for the salesman to call me with prices for the Chevy. I think he forgot me. I am surprised chevy doesn't have something to replace the 454, torque wise. I don't think it would be a smart move to buy a 454 at this point. With the Ford and Dodge V10's seems it would be like buying an antique
When I went to the dealer and drove the 5.3, it did have more power than the 350. I talked to the dealer to find out how much power is lost when you downsize to a 4.8. The new 4.8 has equivilent horsepower to the 350. In fact, when he printed out the invoice prices for me, to upgrade from a 4.8 to a 5.3, it was just over $750. The 4.8 are being made, but are not yet being shipped out. The dealer in Houston said that he expects to have a 4.8 on the lot at the end of September. I am going to go back then and drive one. I'm not going to be doing too much hauling and stuff like that, so I don't see the point in spending $750 more just to have more horsepower, when all I want is another 350.
Azchevyguy-
No I hate to say I am not going to buy the one I drove. The one I drove is what I like to call 'Lexified' (meaning too much like a Lexus). I don't think the truck experience is the same if you go all out with the electric seats and what not. That is a little much for me. I am a simple woman. Plus, I don't need the big engine. Don't get me wrong. I liked it a lot, but it is not a need. The only bells and whistles I am asking for is the power locks/windows, the cd player, and I might ask them to put some big fat all-terrain tires on it. I am in the process of saving the money to get one. Being in college makes it hard to save money. My intentions are to order one around february or march so I will have it in may or june. If all goes well with the test drive on the 4.8 that is the engine I am going to get. I will let ya'll know how it goes.
RichinKs the 454 has been around a long time, but just the displacement. they've made changes to the block and they totally redid the induction system when they gave in the vortec treatment, plus re-engineered some of the internals for reduced friction, stuff like that. the result is a quite, smooth brute. i've driven a couple, and if i could afford the mileage, i'd love to have one. i drove a 4x4 crew cab automatic, that would bark mud tires in 2nd gear when you stomped on it. the engine has more power and the same fuel mileage as ford's v10. it lacks torque that dodge's v10 has, but more than beats the dodge in mileage. i would actually call the dodge v10 the antique, because, it actually has the least technical advances for the time. dodge gets their power from shear displacement, ford and chevy use more technology.
if you can find a 454 owner, you won't find an unhappy one. those engines run like scalded apes and last forever. if you really want to cover your bases for a long time, a big block would be the way to go. the 6.0 might be too small if you really get a bigger trailer.
thanks for the info on the differentials. too steep for me. i might just have to live with the "wish I would have"s.
which Houston dealer are these trucks at? i'd like to drive in, if i knew which dealer to go to. also, don't be so sure the 4.8 is equivalent to the 350. just because it has the same horsepower, doesn't mean it runs the same. the 4.8 doesn't have the torque of the 350. be sure to drive it before making your decision.
I went by Jerry's Chevrolet in Weatherford today. The newspaper ad said they had the New Silverados in stock. They must have been locked up somwhere cause I didn't see any. Stopped by Allen Young GMC in N.R.Hills on the way home. They had a new Sierra out front. First impression was it looked like a Dodge from the side and a Ford from the front. The front is REALLY different.
Just read from Popular Mechanics site that Chevy has a "Silverado SS" it is going to bring out to compete with the Ford F-150 Lightning. It's going to have the 6.0 V8 as the standard engine....
I went to Lawrence Marshall Chevrolet in Hempstead. I know that I saw a few trucks at one of the dealerships off of the Southwest Freeway (in Houston) out by Stafford. I'm not sure if they are test driving though.
I know that it is very likely that the 4.8 won't be exactly like a 350, that is why I haven't quite made my decision on the size of the engine I want for sure.
I checked out the new Chevy Silverado (LS) 4x4 on Saturday, and was extremly impressed. I don't know what all the "boxy" hype is about. It's front end is slightly rounded out and looks great. I will probably wait for the four door model to come out. I can't see opening the passenger side door every time I want to let the kids out.
I have heard two reports:
1) The Chevy Silverado won't come out with a four door model until next model year (2000).
2) The GMC Sierra will come out with the four door model this comming spring.
Test drove the 99 Silverado LS ext. cab w/ 5.3 today. I had been leaning toward an F150 Lariat, but the new Chevy seemed to drive better. The 5.3 is very smooth and every bit as powerful as the old venerable 350. The Chev. auto also shifted better. I'm a big guy (6ft, 3in and 255lbs) and the Chevy offered more comfort than the Ford. Both had power seats- a definitely useful option if you plan any lengthy journeys.
The small town Texas dealer where I drove the Chev. said that all of the area dealers are trying to go no lower than $1500 over invoice right now. But, if I wait a few weeks for the initial hype and hoopla to blow over, he said that I could probably order one for $300 over. I'll try hard to get it right at invoice since the GM holdback is 3% of MSRP. I really don't care whether or not I'm the first on the block to have this truck, so a few more weeks (plus another 6 weeks after ordering) is worth $1200 or more and I'll end up with exactly what I want.
BTW, I had a '92 Sierra Ext. Cab 2WD for a couple years and never had any trouble with it. Even got 18 MPG hwy (70+ mph w/ A/C on).
Sat in a '99 Silverado LS 4x4 extended cab today and was impressed with the comfort of the rear seat but was unimpressed with the front seat.
Front seat was the new 40/20/40 designed bench seat. The 20 part in the middle was very narrow and hard and does not move forward or back. A small child could sit in it but not an adult. The fabric seemed loose and the foam padding was lacking. I like the 60/40 design on last years model better for the front seat but like the extra room and seat back angle on the '99 back seat.
The third door did not fit well and I would expect it to rattle worse than last years. You can not get the front drivers and front passengers seats in power assist without going to buckets. Only the bottom of the seat moves up and down. Last years bottom and back of the seat moves up and down in the power seat. Cup holders in the front are similar to the design in the 1992 pickups and are shallow. Your McDonalds sodas will spill on a sharp turn.
Overhead console is now available with a bench seat. The fit and finish of the cloth seats was poor. For me, 5'10" 180 lbs, last years seats were more comfortable. Last years interior fit and finish is much better. Maybe this is the case only on these first shipments of new Silverados.
Can't get a CD and cassette with a bench seat on the '99 Silverado.
I didn't get to drive the truck because it was presold. The mechanic who prepped the truck said the 5.3L motor is very powerful from the get-go.
The next trucks this dealer will see will be in 2-3 weeks. With the way the fit and finish on the interior looks and the way the third door closes, it looks like it might take a few years for Chevy to get this truck in as good a shape as last years model.
I'm glad I didn't wait for the '99 Silverado. The '98 Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 extended cab I bought over a month ago is a kick to drive. The Silverado, like most new vehicles, will have a few bugs to work out. I usually like to buy the newest model. But with the excellent reputation this pickup has earned over the years, I decided to go with the older model, a proven product.
The '99 Silverado looks great and does have a more roomy back seat with a reportedly great new engine. However, it sure felt good to climb into my '98 Chevy and pull away from the dealer with no regrets.
I also checked out a new model '99 4x4 LS. I did not like the fact that the center section was not movable. I was concerned about the lack of an up/down control in the driver's seat. I had my wife sit in it and she had no problem seeing over the hood (She is 5'4"). I also had my five year old sit in the center with each of us on the sides and it was very comfortable. I would not want an adult in the center though.
The rear seat is great for my family. I have three kids and during long trips it is definitly the premier x-cab truck out their.
Bottom-line, I have flip-flopped from Dodge RAM, to the Ford F-150, and I have finally settled on the new-model Chevy or GMC. I am impressed and completely sold on it. There are too many great things, they did with it, to mention here.
The only problem is I am going to have to wait for the 4-door model (possibly due out this spring with the Sierra). I can't see having to open the passenger side door every time you want to let the kids out.
Are you saying that the 4 door x-cab will not require a front door to be open to open a rear door? I know that the new Superduty 4 door x-cab requires the front door to be open before the rear door will open.
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Now that the strike is over, unless another one springs up, it will be interesting to see what kind of quality and performance the '99 Silverado will have if we ever see one at a dealer.
The dealership manager I talked to actually got to drive a new 1999 Extended Cab and absolutely loved it. The new engines had much more torque at only 1,600 rpms vs. the old 350. He said they have more pulling power off the line with the much flater torque curve. He also said the 4800 is more than enough power and expects more sales with the new 4800 vs. the 5300 which costs $700.00 more in retail costs. You can get the 4800 engine as standard equipment and just add either a 3.73 or 4.10 rear axle ratio at no cost for added pulling power. The torque has minimal difference between the two engines unless you really expect to be pulling most of the time with the truck. Then and only then opt for the 5300 engine.
Tom
P.S. it was the 5.3 and it had plenty of balls for its size.
the ne 1999's being some jewels? Do you think
that the product quality will not be satisfactory
or what?
I honestly don't think GM or the UAW will gamble with the quality of the new trucks. Quality has been rising on all GM vehicles for years, despite all the strikes they have had.
Why the heck is a fourth door important to some people anyway? The Silverado's cab is over 3 inches longer than Ford and Dodge. I don't know about you, but I would rather have people riding back there have a little room to stretch out and get in on one side of the truck then have them get in on both sides then kissing there knees while there riding in it! And the new powertrains......they look like they are going to be real sweet!
Make mine big & blue, Chevy!
I think the UAW is actually much happier now than before the strike. They won, and they're the ones putting the trucks together. I don't think it will be bliss forever, and GM still has to downsize, their is just no way around it, but they built one hell of truck for this fall. i just wish they weren't so slow about it.
Who needs a fourth door when three will do,
especially since it is the first year for 99's and GM
might screw up the third door design like they
did with some 1998 third doors' structural integrity. I think GM needs to perfect the third
door first before they start putting four on. As
far as downsizing, GM (GMAC) cut my job two years
ago, and I haven't been happier since leaving that rat race with [non-permissible content removed] non-union pay! GM needs more
Indians running the show and less managers sitting
on their _ss not doing one thing. That is one of
GM's problems. You wonder why GM's production is
so low, they don't have enough workers to produce
the new trucks.
Tell that to the people involved with designing the 3-door Ford Windstar. When Chrysler introduced their 4-door mini-vans, Windstar sales went right into the crapper.
Bob
You may be right about the Windstar. Sure, If I had a family and only would want one vehicle, I would probably go for as many doors as I could put people in. To me the most appealing aspects about the new trucks are the engines. Sure, Ford & Dodge came out with all new styling.....but dropped the same old engines in their new, restyled trucks. GM on the other hand came out with a more traditional look (which builds more on the good looks of the old truck) and a whole line of new engines.
I just don't see why having 4 doors instead of 3 on an extended cab pickup would be on the same level as minivans. 2 different markets.
RichinKs
you can't get a big torque engine in the silverado because it's a light duty truck. chevy's heavy duties won't get redesigned or new engines until next year. so if you want a big block, go with a 454 or diesel in the '99 C/K 3/4 ton or 1 ton. it is the same body style truck as the '88 to '98 versions. granted the bells and whistles are much nicer on the Silverado. the 6.0 liter has more horsepower and torque than the 350 it replaces, and lots of low-end torque, so you probably won't find it lacking as much as your current engine.
Chevy is going to have to have some diehard fans to make up the ground from the strike and the price difference.
The biggest problem I have seen is when people tow in overdrive or pull a heavy trailer that does not have its own brakes. (Farmers in Central California frequently pull their tractors on trailers with no trailer brakes. 9 out of 10 pickups doing this are 1/2 tons) Granted a 3/4 or 1 ton would be much better, but these guys are trying to pinch pennies anywhere they can and the 1/2 tons stand up to the punishment.
I'm pulling a 5,000 boat with my '98 Chevy 1/2 ton and it handles this with ease. However when I disconnect the trailer brakes, I see a big difference and would want a 3/4 ton. As long as the trailer I pull has its own brakes I'm fine. I've yet to determine how much weight I can comfortable pull. My truck is rated to pull a 6,500 lb. trailer. The 5th wheel trailers I've been looking at are under this weight. I've yet to find a good discussion group to compare 1/2 and 3/4 ton towing applications. Maybe a new topic should be started.
RichinKs:
How heavy is the 5th wheel you are pulling and how long is it? I know alot of people who tow "pull behind" and 5th wheels with their 1/2 ton Chevys with the 350 motor. They do just fine as long as they don't pull in over drive. A 1/2 ton Chevy is actually rated to pull more than a 3/4 ton Chevy when both are equipped with the 5.7L motor and 3.73 gears. The 3/4 ton is rated to haul more in the bed though. The Chevy 3/4 ton with the 8600 GVWR rating has a stronger transmission, bigger brakes and a more heavy duty rear axle. Based on this the 3/4 ton should be rated to pull more but it isn't.
Why are you considering a 3/4 ton. Is your 1/2 ton not up to the task or are you looking for an extra margin of safety? I'm curious to know more about your experience towing with a 1/2 ton.
I liked the Ford F250 Super Duty trucks I have test driven but they were $3,000 more than a Chevy 1/2 ton with the same equipment. (this is based on paying $500 over invoice and a $750 rebate from Chevy) A Chevy 3/4 ton was within $200 of the Chevy 1/2 ton with the same equipment.
Chevy 3/4 ton ext. cab 4x4 pickups are hard to find and the who knows when the new '99 Chevy's will be available. I would expect the 1/2 ton to be a little soft on suspension,(do you have the Z71 option?). The motor should have enough power (what gearing do you have and do you pull in overdrive?) unless this is a very heavy 5th wheel or has a high profile.
Glenn2: I've heard on this site to stay away from the Ford Superduty "shift on the fly" option. Also, the Ford Superduty 4x4 is too tall to fit under most if not all 5th wheel trailers.
Philwl: Sounds like you got a great deal on your new Ford. What kind of mileage are you getting and do you plan to pull a 5th wheel? If you are able to pull a 5th wheel, let us know how it works out for you as it has been reported to be a problem without modification. Also, do you have the shift on the fly option and if so, how is it working for you.
As far as towing with a 1/2 or 3/4 ton I have had both. The 1/2 ton was good for small trailers, but you can really tell the difference on the larger ones or driving in cross winds. The 3/4 ton has much less sway and you feel more in control.
The shift on the fly works great. Have had to use it a few times and no problems. They had a bad control module in the early ones, but any thing built after May should be fine.
I got my prices from Kelley Blue Book (www.kbb.com) not from my dealer. Believe it though, they ARE that high.
Another example of Ford cost cutting is that they replaced the 460 with the V-10. The Triton line of engines was designed with the V-10 in mind. It shares a high percentage of parts with the V-8 and is built on the same assembly line. The 460 shared very few parts and required it's own assembly line. That is why the V-10 option only cost $285, well below the cost of the 460 option previously.
If you decide on a 1/2 ton, don't plan on getting a truck camper unless you are looking at a popup. Most of the hard wall truck campers will put you over the GVWR for the vehicle.
Make sure to factor in additional weight when you are looking at the fifth wheel trailer weights. The advertised weight of a trailer or truck camper are often "dry" weights of a basic trailer with no options. Start adding in the weight of options such as AC, generator, water in fuel in their respective tanks, etc. and the weight can increase significantly.
Alot of people say that a good rule of thumb when choosing a truck is to figure out what size truck you need to do the job you need to do and then get the next biggest. The most popular size truck for alot of RV users is the 3/4 ton. The move from a 3/4 ton to a 1 ton doesn't provide increased towing ability, so most users don't see the need to go with the stiffer suspension. The reason most people opt for the 1 ton is they need a higher GVWR for carrying a heavy truck camper, or if they anticipate putting a lot of weight in the bed.
If you're looking for a good site to discuss all issues related to tow vehicles, campers, trailers, etc., check out www.happycampers.com. They have a good BBS/Chat area with a lot of knowledgable participants.
I've heard that the GM V-10 will debut in the MY2000 GMC trucks. It will likely be offered in the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, similar to what Ford has done. It's my understanding that the Ford V-10 won't fit under the hood of the F-150.
There have been some problems with the SOF in the new Superduty trucks. Some trucks were shifting in and out of 4wd or they weren't shifting into 4wd at all. Supposedly the problems have been remedied, but I've still got my fingers crossed that I won't have problems. The SOF is a luxury.
The 4wd Superduty stands 81 inches tall (6'9"), so you won't be able to get it into many garages. Most parking garages will certainly be out.
This post doesn't talk about the new Chevy much, but everything discussed was mentioned in recent posts. As for the new Chevy, the new V-8s improve an already outstanding line of engines. The fourth door is definitely more convenient, but wouldn't be a deal killer for me. As for the structural integrity of the truck, it all depends on how much effort is put into the design. Ford claims that the four door in the Superduty Supercab actually improves the structural integrity of their cab.
www.happycampers.net
Look for the BBS/Chat bulletin board.
regarding Ford's price reductions, that % you gave was for the whole Ford product line. The average was skewed by the huge price slashes in the down-trodden Taurus sedan(-5%) remember when it used to be the number one selling car?. Meanwhile, the profitable cash cows (i.e. F150's) will be going UP in price by at least 1%.
alchavez
4 doors, be it a mini-van or pickup, simply means more convenience. A short 4th door on the driver's side makes life just a bit easier when dealing with groceries, tools, packages, briefcase, the dog, etc., not to mention kids. Think of it as frosting on the cake.
Bob
I'm counting on it!
alchavez
One question. . .Does anyone know what, if any, the differences in the Sierra and Silverado are? Is it just the name? Price?
- Liana
PS Please. . .Do not embarass yourself by saying you WERE a loyal chevy owner until now. If you were ever truly loyal, you would have NEVER even considered a ford.
I pull with a 3.42, and mine torque convertor unlocks on hills also. I'd say you need to go with a 3/4 ton with the 3.73. that much weight on the kingpin is just right at th limit for the half ton.
I learned from a couple of different dealers, that chevy's towing numbers are low balled for liablity reasons. from what i understand, they take their towing capacity, and advertise it at least 1000 to 1500#s less, so they don't get sued by some dumb *** doing 85 with 10,000# trailer and wraps it around a pole.
Liana,
I was curious about the 4.8 engine from chevy. i have yet to hear a report on it. did you drive one, or only a 5.3. i have heard and read nothing but great reviews about the power of the 5.3. I am wondering what the power of the 4.8 is, and what upgrade cost is, to go from the 4.8 to the 5.3. Oh, i think there are several differences in the Silverado and the Sierra. GMs goal was to differentiate Sierra to an up class, drive around town, kind of truck, with more inside amenities, than the Silverado. I suspect the Sierra will be a little more expensive.
Is there anyone else with a 3.73, 350 automatic. I'm surprised about the mileage numbers from cookie1. If that's true, i wonder how much it would cost to replace my 3.42s with a set of 3.73s. probably wouldn't be worth it at this point in my trucks life. curious, though, if anyone else had that set up.
I couldn't agree with you more! Unfortunately, most people go for style over substance. I don't think people dislike the looks of the new trucks, they just didn't think GM went far enough with the redesign. They forget that before Ford & Dodge restyled their trucks, GM came out with the redesigned C/K in 1988 and the style was a huge hit. Why would they want to mess with a good thing as far as the styling goes. What GM did this time around was improve powertrains, suspensions, brakes, and just about everything you don't see. Combine that with the timeless styling, you've got an attractive trucks.
I've been to several Chevy dealers here in Phoenix and not one of them have Silverados yet. Are you going to buy the one you drove Liana? If you do, let us know about it from time to time........
When I went to the dealer and drove the 5.3, it did have more power than the 350. I talked to the dealer to find out how much power is lost when you downsize to a 4.8. The new 4.8 has equivilent horsepower to the 350. In fact, when he printed out the invoice prices for me, to upgrade from a 4.8 to a 5.3, it was just over $750. The 4.8 are being made, but are not yet being shipped out. The dealer in Houston said that he expects to have a 4.8 on the lot at the end of September. I am going to go back then and drive one. I'm not going to be doing too much hauling and stuff like that, so I don't see the point in spending $750 more just to have more horsepower, when all I want is another 350.
Azchevyguy-
No I hate to say I am not going to buy the one I drove. The one I drove is what I like to call 'Lexified' (meaning too much like a Lexus). I don't think the truck experience is the same if you go all out with the electric seats and what not. That is a little much for me. I am a simple woman. Plus, I don't need the big engine. Don't get me wrong. I liked it a lot, but it is not a need. The only bells and whistles I am asking for is the power locks/windows, the cd player, and I might ask them to put some big fat all-terrain tires on it. I am in the process of saving the money to get one. Being in college makes it hard to save money. My intentions are to order one around february or march so I will have it in may or june. If all goes well with the test drive on the 4.8 that is the engine I am going to get. I will let ya'll know how it goes.
the 454 has been around a long time, but just the displacement. they've made changes to the block and they totally redid the induction system when they gave in the vortec treatment, plus re-engineered some of the internals for reduced friction, stuff like that. the result is a quite, smooth brute. i've driven a couple, and if i could afford the mileage, i'd love to have one. i drove a 4x4 crew cab automatic, that would bark mud tires in 2nd gear when you stomped on it. the engine has more power and the same fuel mileage as ford's v10. it lacks torque that dodge's v10 has, but more than beats the dodge in mileage. i would actually call the dodge v10 the antique, because, it actually has the least technical advances for the time. dodge gets their power from shear displacement, ford and chevy use more technology.
if you can find a 454 owner, you won't find an unhappy one. those engines run like scalded apes and last forever. if you really want to cover your bases for a long time, a big block would be the way to go. the 6.0 might be too small if you really get a bigger trailer.
thanks for the info on the differentials. too steep for me. i might just have to live with the "wish I would have"s.
which Houston dealer are these trucks at? i'd like to drive in, if i knew which dealer to go to. also, don't be so sure the 4.8 is equivalent to the 350. just because it has the same horsepower, doesn't mean it runs the same. the 4.8 doesn't have the torque of the 350. be sure to drive it before making your decision.
Stopped by Allen Young GMC in N.R.Hills on the way home. They had a new Sierra out front. First impression was it looked like a Dodge from the side and a Ford from the front. The front is REALLY different.
I went to Lawrence Marshall Chevrolet in Hempstead. I know that I saw a few trucks at one of the dealerships off of the Southwest Freeway (in Houston) out by Stafford. I'm not sure if they are test driving though.
I know that it is very likely that the 4.8 won't be exactly like a 350, that is why I haven't quite made my decision on the size of the engine I want for sure.
I have heard two reports:
1) The Chevy Silverado won't come out with a four door model until next model year (2000).
2) The GMC Sierra will come out with the four door model this comming spring.
Can anyone comfirm?
Was that you I saw broken down off the side of the highway in your Mitsubishi Mighty Max????
The small town Texas dealer where I drove the Chev. said that all of the area dealers are trying to go no lower than $1500 over invoice right now. But, if I wait a few weeks for the initial hype and hoopla to blow over, he said that I could probably order one for $300 over. I'll try hard to get it right at invoice since the GM holdback is 3% of MSRP. I really don't care whether or not I'm the first on the block to have this truck, so a few more weeks (plus another 6 weeks after ordering) is worth $1200 or more and I'll end up with exactly what I want.
BTW, I had a '92 Sierra Ext. Cab 2WD for a couple years and never had any trouble with it. Even got 18 MPG hwy (70+ mph w/ A/C on).
Front seat was the new 40/20/40 designed bench seat. The 20 part in the middle was very narrow and hard and does not move forward or back. A small child could sit in it but not an adult. The fabric seemed loose and the foam padding was lacking. I like the 60/40 design on last years model better for the front seat but like the extra room and seat back angle on the '99 back seat.
The third door did not fit well and I would expect it to rattle worse than last years. You can not get the front drivers and front passengers seats in power assist without going to buckets. Only the bottom of the seat moves up and down. Last years bottom and back of the seat moves up and down in the power seat. Cup holders in the front are similar to the design in the 1992 pickups and are shallow. Your McDonalds sodas will spill on a sharp turn.
Overhead console is now available with a bench seat. The fit and finish of the cloth seats was poor. For me, 5'10" 180 lbs, last years seats were more comfortable. Last years interior fit and finish is much better. Maybe this is the case only on these first shipments of new Silverados.
Can't get a CD and cassette with a bench seat on the '99 Silverado.
I didn't get to drive the truck because it was presold. The mechanic who prepped the truck said the 5.3L motor is very powerful from the get-go.
The next trucks this dealer will see will be in 2-3 weeks. With the way the fit and finish on the interior looks and the way the third door closes, it looks like it might take a few years for Chevy to get this truck in as good a shape as last years model.
I'm glad I didn't wait for the '99 Silverado. The '98 Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 extended cab I bought over a month ago is a kick to drive. The Silverado, like most new vehicles, will have a few bugs to work out. I usually like to buy the newest model. But with the excellent reputation this pickup has earned over the years, I decided to go with the older model, a proven product.
The '99 Silverado looks great and does have a more roomy back seat with a reportedly great new engine. However, it sure felt good to climb into my '98 Chevy and pull away from the dealer with no regrets.
The rear seat is great for my family. I have three kids and during long trips it is definitly the premier x-cab truck out their.
Bottom-line, I have flip-flopped from Dodge RAM, to the Ford F-150, and I have finally settled on the new-model Chevy or GMC. I am impressed and completely sold on it. There are too many great things, they did with it, to mention here.
The only problem is I am going to have to wait for the 4-door model (possibly due out this spring with the Sierra). I can't see having to open the passenger side door every time you want to let the kids out.