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Also, MPG rating is way off. Im 2400 miles into it, still getting 18-22mpg. All Hway with barely stepping and easy on acceleration, Vancouver to Seattle, shy of 23mpg. No where near 21-28mpg. Will try no ethanol and see. Should at least be easy to hit 24 but not. it seems FORD was trying to look good at the expense of long term customers, who WAS cheering for the company to make it.
We've had 4 Escapes and liked them all. Considering trading in one of the older ones - already rushed to get a 2012 on another trade, but realize we'll have to bite the bullet at some point on the new version- and have two comments and two questions:
comment 1 - why the heck did they reduce the gas tank size? When you look at the range for city, combined, or highway - the extra mpg doesn't make any noticeable difference. All the ranges are within a few percent of each other. It seems like the highway mpg isn't too realistic, anyway. If you drive at 55 on NJ highways, you'll be flattened.
comment 2 - another thread has confirmed that the hatch opening height - the height from the load floor to the inside top of the hatch door frame - is shorter than the previous version. The boxiness of the previous model was one of the best features. Has anyone with a new model found the reduced hatch opening height to be an issue?
question 1 - back-up camera was included with nav system in earlier models. It's not clear if this is still the case, or whether you now have to buy the $995 parking tech package in addition to the $750 nav price. Admittedly, the nav option was more expensive in prior models, so maybe it works out the same.
question 2 - if you get the nav system, you can't get the upgraded Sony sound system?
Thanks, fellow Escapees!
and when I got mine to get the camera, you had to get the parking package. I like the bliss, crosstraffic... i dont care for, and auto park i dont care for. but the camera is a must
I would love a +5 gallon tank
the hatch height... never noticed a difference from the tribute
We also had the radio 'on by itself and wouldn't turn off' again last weekend . And like a few times before, it stayed on with the vehicle shut down and the doors opened (which should 'kill' the designated power delay however long that is).
Changing the subject a bit, I've noticed a LOT of wind noise at the windows... much more than any other vehicle I can remember. Haven't mentioned that to the dealer yet, but I will when we take it in for them to isolate a 'wet' problem they noticed during an oil change.
Winter-blend gas can make your mileage go down. Three and a half mpg seems like a bit much though.
It has averaged just over 22 mpg in the month and a half she has owned it.
I checked the mileage for her '09 over the same period and it was about 20.8, although it had about 8k on it by then.
That must have been a cold spell here in the northeast back in '09 because checking the mileage i got in the '02 Explorer, it could barely keep it's head above 13 mpg for the same period.
I was averaging close to 16 mpg with it before November this year and my last couple of tanks have been around 14.5.
The Hwy mileage was a different story, the 2010 was 27.4 and the 2013 was 30.6
IMO the turbo KILLS the mpgs in mixed driving more than a N/A engine.
Some people get good mpg from the first tank while others take 10,000 miles or more for the mpg to settle in. I wouldn't get too worried until another 6 or 8 tanks.
Have you checked your tire pressures?
On the other hand, I have had the cruise control set to about 65Mph and climbed a gentle hill, at 1700 RPM and seen the boost go to 10 pounds in 6th gear. The boost is so quiet and effortless, you do not even know it is running.
I will report mileage ect. when we get it.
Do you guys drive around town until broken in or get it out on the HWY?
"Most of the gasoline now sold has a small amount of ethanol in it—up to 10% by volume depending upon the region. Using gasoline with 10% ethanol decreases fuel economy by 3–4%.
The energy content of gasoline varies seasonally. Typical summer conventional gasoline contains about 1.7% more energy than typical winter conventional gasoline."
You are correct, 87 and 91 Octane have the same energy content. 87 Detonates easier, in the face of heat and pressure, 91 resists burning until faced with higher temperature and pressure, this is why a turbocharged engine will thrive on higher octane.
Ford, and many others have been able to manage the 87 fuel in a high pressure turbo engine with the help of knock sensors, variable valve timing, ignition timing etc.
In the 2.0T it makes a difference of 9Hp. Fuel mileage difference should be minimal. I have not checked yet, as I have only run 91 for my first 4 tanks.
In the old days, running 87 octane in this type of engine would have been harmful. Nowadays the technology is so good, the controls in the engine can adapt to whatever you are putting in.
The warranty on the MyFord Touch system will now last for five years, up from three years. MyLincoln Touch will carry a six-year warranty, said Ford spokesman Alan Hall."
Ford to extend warranty, update software for MyFord Touch (Detroit Free Press)
Anyway no problem, we still drove away with an SEL 2.0
We ordered an FWD 1.6 SEL White Platinum Paint and the 302A package should be in any day been 6 plus weeks.
So we got a $1500 Cash Back and a $500 Ford Credit $2,000 total
We paid $29,918 minus the $2,000 so $27,918 no taxes since we live in the state of OREGON, oh yea, plus $150 for license and processing fee.
I also opted for an extended service plan for 5 Yrs or 60k miles
from National Warranty for $1,000
Dont know if I should have or not but we will find out in the Years 3-5
Mixed reviews on those warranty's.
We usually keep ours cars for longer than that.
So all in all we got a new car in the garage tonight.
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_Escape_Specs.pdf
At first it would not open... it would try, but not release the latch properly and then hang up. I would have to get out and manually open the liftgate. After a couple of trips to the shop, Ford went and replaced some parts in the liftgate, and we thought it was fixed. Nope.
Now, it won't latch properly when it closes. Goes down, tries to latch up... jiggles abit, then the latch gives up and remains unlatched.
This junk has been going on for over 2 MONTHS !!! It has been in the shop about 11 days in this time period.
I worked with the Regional Manager (who was very nice and tried his best to get it fixed). The Ford mechanics appeared to have tried their best to.
So what to do? Otherwise, the car is fabulous and works great (Sync and MFT work great too).
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=37458
"Maximum power bhp @ rpm 240 @ 5,500 Maximum torque lb/ft @ rpm 251 @ 1,750" Fuel - Premium.
Thank you Ford for putting in enough engine management to allow us to run regular fuel, but when I can or need to, I will run Premium.
(by the way, I have seen 18 lbs of boost with this engine, I am sure it appreciates (utilizes) the octane at that pressure)
What's your opinion about the recent EPA action re: use of E15 fuel? According to this article 2013 Fords are OK with E15: http://www.freep.com/article/20121130/BUSINESS01/121130007/gasoline-ethanol-car-- truck-damage-AAA?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s
Remember "city" mileage will vary GREATLY depending on traffic etc. etc. etc.
Also, when you use the turbo a lot, you will be making a lot of torque/horsepower. There is no magic here, torque and Hp require fuel.
If people are looking at fuel consumption, they will see a difference with more Ethanol being added. To see for yourself, go to www.fueleconomy.gov and look at an E85 vehicle. (2012 Chev Impala FFV for example) It's rated 30Mpg highway on gasoline, and 22Mpg highway on E85.
It does look like the 2013 Escapes are rated to run E15. It also concerned me in the article when it says that one customer is using E15 in his 10 year old pickup truck and it "runs fine". The problem is, if the vehicle components were not designed to accept that much alcohol, then he is damaging his vehicle, and he just doesn't know it yet.
There are special materials that must be used in an engine and fuel system, so that they will not sustian damage from alcohol.
Again, I think this topic is best suited in another forum, as it is very general in nature. It affects all vehicles, not just Escapes.
The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol
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So far, I am having a lot of fun with it. Originally I bought it just so I could read boost pressure. Now I am looking at about 50 variables. It's definitely a toy for enthusiasts, gear-heads and the like. It also has a ton of stuff on mileage and emissions, cost to drive .............
If you are an Apple use, you must get a Wi-fi transmitter. If you use an Android, then there are other apps, and the ability to use Bluetooth.
In terms of real world mpg, I do not get how the 24-25 mpgs are coming from. Drive with 87 octane costco, no load, tire pressures checked, highway/city, driver restraint, even had my fuel sensitive wife drive a long highway stretch, and still getting 19-22mpg. Had ford service check it out as well and said no problems.
This car drives amazing though. I wanted to love ford especially the cool things they have been doing. Even traded my honda crv. Such a shame I cannot move on since I am paying a lot of money and basically told its not their problem:(
Recall a big blow to Escape, Fusion
Chris Woodyard and Meghan Hoyer, USA TODAY Share
Ford hasn't yet pinpointed the problem that led to 13 engine fires.
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Customers are being told to park their vehicles; will be given loaners
8:21AM EST December 4. 2012 - As embarrassments go, Ford Motor couldn't face a worse recall than one that wraps together two critical 2013 vehicles and a technology that it has spent the most time and money trying to burnish: Fusion sedan, Escape crossover and the EcoBoost turbocharged engine.
Yet on Monday Ford was at a loss to explain why the 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine in two big-selling models was overheating and might catch fire — or how it plans to fix the 89,153 vehicles involved. Ford is urging owners to park their vehicles, contact their dealers and arrange for loaners.
So far, 12 fires were reported in the Escapes and one in the Fusion, which just went on sale, says Ford spokesman Said Deep. No injuries were reported.
What's more, the latest recall marks the fourth for the Escape since last spring. One involved a swatch of carpet that could block the gas pedal. The others all involved the same 1.6-liter, four-cylinder engine, including a recent recall because of coolant leaking from a freeze plug.
That track record now has some asking whether the automaker, which has tried hard to burnish the reputation of the Ford nameplate under CEO Alan Mulally, has gone astray.
"It does beg the question: 'Does Ford have a serious quality problem?' " says George Cook, executive professor of marketing at the Simon Graduate School of Business at the University of Rochester and a former Ford marketing executive.
Consumer Reports recently dropped Ford to second-to-last place in its annual reliability survey. Only two years ago, Ford was in the top 10. Ford has created so many all-new products that the kinks haven't been worked out of many of them, lsays Jake Fisher, head of the non-profit magazine's automotive test division.
The Ford brand has had 92 recalls since 2009, substantially higher than the next highest brands — Chevrolet, at 70, and Toyota, at 68, a search of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration database reveals. Of course, such a search doesn't take into account the severity of individual recalls or that the Ford nameplate is part of the larger Ford Motor. When recalls in its various divisions are added up, General Motors outpaces Ford on recalls overall.
It hurts even more that the problems involve 73,320 Escapes and 15,833 Fusions. In launching the new Escape this year, Ford said the two models compete in segments that make up 30% of all sales.
With fuel economy a top consideration, Ford has heavily touted its EcoBoost engines — and is bringing them to 90% of its models. Though the recall is "just isolated to that engine," the 1.6-liter, Ford fears the recall "might tarnish the entire line of engines," says Mike Omotoso, senior manager of global powertrain for LMC Automotive.
Some buyers sound deeply unhappy.
One buyer complained to NHTSA that he had already gone through three recall repairs on his 2013 Escape and was driving on the freeway near Charlottesville, Va., when a pop came from the engine. The engine temperature light came on, steam, then oily smoke poured from the engine and it burst into flames.
Another owner, Andrew Portare, says his engine hasn't overheated but his Escape has already been back to the dealer for several other problems. Now the Chantilly, Va., executive is miffed that Ford is telling him to park his Escape and use a free rental car.
"I just paid $26,000 for this car. Now they tell me to park it," he says.
Portare says he's fed up. "I feel like I should be able to get a refund," he says.
The after almost 2 weeks in the shop, they can't tell me when the replacment parts will be available. Is this common for new cars?
The recuirculate turning off after 5 mins is normal, ie it's also happening on the replacment escape.