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Hank, Hank, Hank ... why the heck are you doing stunts like that with Bridgestone's finest racing slicks on your rear? Get some real tires and try again!
Meade
So I dropped my car off at the dealer.
And what do I get as a loaner?
Guess...
A Chevy S10 pickup truck with 3500 miles on the ODO.
Engine is great. Doing 60mph at 1500rpm....my ES does not even start rolling until 1800rpm
But suspension is like jelly. wiggles on every bump. Steering is numb and not at all connected to the wheels. Absolutely no feedback.
The dash looks like as if it's made from plasticlay and dried.Eeesh!
Something else I noticed. during parking, when the wheels are at full lock, the wheels have no power. Engine is like choking to death.
more later as I drive more.
-larry
Meade
60-65mph no AC: 31mpg
65-70mph no AC: 28mpg
70-75mph no AC: 27mpg
75-80mph no AC: 25mpg
60-65mph with AC: 28mpg
65-70mph with AC: 26mpg
70-75mph with AC: 25mpg
75-80mph with AC: 23mpg. Probably should have been higher but I made a few runs to 100mph.
Using the air conditioner costs about 2mpg between 60-80mph.
http://www.auto.com/industry/defect7_20020607.htm
It's the 21st-century Pinto, my friends! Read this article and I think you'll agree!
Meade
The reason I say "unfortunately" is that I just bought a 5spd ES in January. I had knee surgery a few years ago and last night my knee started locking up again to the point where I couldn't depress the clutch. I can get it unlocked, but if it ever locked in an emergency situation I and other innocent people could get injured so I can't let it go.
I called my dealer (I bought a 2000MPV ES and the Pro ES from them) and they are going to work with me as much as they can. I really can't afford to put much more cash down, so ultimately, I will probably have to look at the LX with an auto. But, I'm holding out hope.
Thanks,
Ron B.
http://www.protegetech.com
Look for the right sidebar talking about the mid-year refresh, then click on [Click to Continue] at the bottom. He has given the Sport Auto a good drive and comments on the shift lag. Hope this helps!
-Jerry
Meade
Hope you're able to work things out without too much trouble.
--Dale
There is NOTHING wrong with the LX. You're paying for features on the ES. IF you don't need the features, why pay for them?
Mike
-Your LX driving Pro Fan.
Meade
My downfall is that I really like the interior on my ES. The LX is a fine car, heck, it's really the same car, but to get one now after having the ES for 5 months would definitely be a step down to me. Cars are so subjective, finding the right one and then deciding on a trim level, to change now is so hard. If you own an LX, imagining someone turning it into a DX tomorrow. Sure it's mechanically the same, but there are differences. As for me, the 16" wheels and more importantly, 4 whl discs sold me on the ES. That and I really like the interior.
I'm going to try to get to my dealer tomorrow so I can see what I'm looking at. I just don't see the ES working out for me. I have a 5 month old car with 5-6,000 on it and I'm looking to get a new car with a more expensive option (sport auto), I don't see how this is going to work out for me. My last hope will be to see if they can locate an automatic ES demo somewhere with the "old" regular auto. But really, what are the chances of that?
I'll keep you all up to date. I sure wish I had kept my old speakers though. I went and installed the Rockfords and Pioneers thinking I'd have this Pro for many years to come. Now I lose my 5 spd AND the speakers as well!
Man, these are bad times. At least it's Friday.
Ron B.
Today is my last day at work until I start my new job on Monday. I don't know what the internet situation is at this new job and I'm worried I might not be able to read edmunds all day. It's a telecom company so they might have some serious internet monitoring going on.....
Maybe it would be better than I thought. Just trying to get myself ready for the LX. I don't want to offend any LX owners, it's just not exactly what I wanted.
Ron: The ES is not much more expensive than the LX. You should see what kind of deal you can swing on both before deciding. Be prepared to take a good hit on the trade though. It happend to me as well.
The DX and LX have disc/drums even with ABS. The ES and Pro5 are the only ones that have 4-wheel disc brakes.
Sorry about the knee!
-Jerry
So what's the fascination with 4 discs? Seriously, I'm not starting a flame war here...just curious.
(Runs across the room screaming, leaving a Meade-sized hole in the wall)
ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
;-)
Meade
And don't worry, I think Meade's doing all the offending of LX owners here.
PF is right in the disc/drum, disc/disc brake set-up. Unless you're going down a lot of long grades or are into racing, you'll be fine with a disc/drum set-up. The only difficulty is when the time comes to replace or inspect the pads. It's much easier with disc brakes than with drum brakes (I've done it once, and that was enough to convince me to pay someone else to do it next time...then again, how will I know if it's done right?...at least it'll only be the rear brakes).
Actual Bumper Stickers
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to ME.
BEER: It's not just for breakfast anymore.
So you're a feminist ... isn't that cute.
I need someone real bad ... Are you real bad?
BEAUTY is in the eye of the beer holder.
The more you complain, the longer God makes you live.
Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now.
Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.
Out of my mind ... back in five minutes.
As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools.
Hang up and drive.
NEBRASKA: At least the cows are sane.
I said "NO" to drugs, but they didn't listen.
Your kid may be an Honor Student, but YOU'RE still an idiot.
Smile: it's the second best thing you can do with your lips.
Don't drink and drive ... You might hit a bump and spill your drink.
Consciousness: That annoying time between naps.
Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
Always remember you're unique ... just like everyone else.
HONK If You Want To See My Finger
God is my co-pilot, but the Devil is my bombardier.
I wasn't born a butthole (not the actual word used); women like you made me this way.
Keep honking while I reload.
Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot either!
Who were the testers for Preparations A through G?
Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
Five days a week my body is a temple. The other two, it's an amusement park.
EARTH FIRST! We'll strip-mine the other planets later.
If you drink, don't park. Accidents cause people.
If you can read this I can hit my brakes and sue you.
Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes.
My wife keeps complaining I never listen to her ... or something like that.
Sure you can trust the government! Just ask an Indian!
Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive.
If we are what we eat, I'm cheap, fast, and easy.
Stop repeat offenders. Don't reelect them!
Have a good weekend! (Er, NOT a bumper-sticker)
Meade
Disc vs. drum: conventional wisdoms says that stopping distances are a bit shorter, and fade is a bit less, but as you say most of the braking is done with the fronts, which are still discs after all (do they stay the same size? I think so - mazda site should say). If you want the sport shift auto, it'll be a moot point anyway because it only comes on the ES.
Speakers: I'd pull the good ones out and put the crapy ones back in for sure, then swap again with the new pro. Just my two cents.
I think I'd probably sell the 5-speed on my own, then look for a dealer demo ES sport shift auto. Too new to find a private party Pro with sport shift for sale, I suppose. Sorry. :-(
If sport-shift wasn't an issue, I think I'd look for a private party ES for sale. Personally I like the looks better, along with the 16" alloys and 4 wheel discs, but that's just me.
Good luck.
Ron...sorry about the knee. That really bites. I hope you are able to work out a zoom zoom solution. Maybe you could drive the MPV for a while and let your significant other drive the Pro? I've driven the MPV and it's a heckava nice van. IMO one of the best looking too. With you driving the automatic MPV, you wouldn't be so time pressured to make a deal and you'd have a better chance at not taking it in the shorts on the sale and purchase. Just a thought....
Regards,
Pete
You DON'T need a reservation, just be there!
Check Protegeclub.com, Forums, Upper Midwest, Chicago Meet #2 for details! See you there!!!
Regards and ZOOM ZOOM munch munch munch.....mmmmmmm yummy!
Pete
There are three main benefits for this:
1. The meet will not be held on Father's Day.
2. Being held on Saturday (rather than Sunday) will allow more sufficient time to get back to work on Monday.
3. It will allow more people to come to the meet.
There will also be a small fee of $10 per vehicle. This will cover the expense of the application and permit fees imposed by the California Department of State Parks. Extra money will be used to purchase food and beverages. This fee will be collected at the meet.
The State Beach also requires a $2 entrance fee into the parking lot.
The website has been updated to reflect the recent changes. If you have already submitted an RSVP to the meet, please send me an e-mail stating that you have received the new date!
http://www.caliprotegemeet.1hwy.com
webmaster@caliprotegemeet.1hwy.com
maltb... can you attend now? :-)
-Jerry
Dang, the car really looks bad...hmmm...no time to try out all those helpful waxing tips the guys gave me. Well, guess it's back to the local drive-thru automatic. (heh...just remember to put the windows up this time, right?)
And since all the gearheads will have spent hours and hours on their cars, better at least spring for the deluxe wash and wax.
Okay, pull up, window down, punch in the code, drive into the little carwash hut........
over the undercarriage spray jets.......
WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH
NO NO NO NO
window up! window up! window up!
*(^%#*($&#!!!!!!!
Yes, that's right. Oops, I did it again.
Funny, or sad?
I'll let you guys decide.
Did your car at least look clean after?
My personal advice would be NOT to pull any G-stunts when it is raining....in any tire.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Hope you didn't get too soaked.
Mike: No, that was the most depressing part of the whole thing. As Pete can attest, by the time I got to the meet, the car had grime all over it again. REALLY need to get it waxed professionally.
Mazdafun: No, I didn't get too soaked. I've gotten pretty good at ducking.
Tapper: Congrats! You definitely made the right choice!!!!