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duty,all l see is pricing info on the F250
superduty,are you going to put pricing info up on
the Ford F250 lite duty?
thanks
Have been in 4wd (ESOF) all day due to some light wet snow and it is smooth! Wow again.
I have a question regarding the overhead console. How do you get the instantanious mpg reading that is shown in the owners' manual? I have the average mpg, outside temp,miles to empty and compass but no instant mpg. Does the F250 have it? The average mpg is showing 11.4, which would be great if accurate as I am used to 10-12 with my Bronco. Anybody have updates on their V10 MPG?
If you've got the 3.73 rearend, that 11.4 sounds realistic. I've got the 4.30 and have averaged almost exactly 9.5 mpg on my 40 mile daily roundtrip in rush hour traffic during this first 1,500 miles. The few people that I have talked with about their mpg with the 3.73 have indicated the same range you mentioned, so it looks like the difference because of the axle ratio is about 2mpg. I've been hearing highway figures in the 14mpg range for the 3.73 axle ratio.
I don't have any more info on the ESOF. I spoke with the dealer's son, who sells a lot of the super duties, mostly PSD's. He said "you don't want the ESOF" (and then went on to explain about the plastic gears stripping out). Have you asked your dealer? Also, what was your 95 windstar problem (we have that vehicle, which I'll be trading for the F250SD).
I did not call or ask the dealer. In fact I know the owner of the dealership very well and I am well aquainted with his service mgr. I'll call and ask about the gears ect. I'm curious to know where the gears are located, In the hubs? I still can't believe Ford would make an inadequate and/or a cheap system. But nothing suprises me any more!
The Windstar had to have the head Gasket replaced before 60,000 miles. Well after some research including the use of the Edmunds site, I found out this premature failure was occuring all over the country. A small % of vans were fortunate enough not to fail. There were several Tv stations doing stories on the failure in an attempt to force Ford to do a total recall instead of just extending the warrenties an extra 10,000 miles to 60,000. If it did'nt happen to you, you were fortunate. It runs $1,100 to 1,800 depending on who does the work. Ford did reimburse me but it was a pain.
Mroffshore
I didn't have (yet) the head gasket problem on our windstar (85,000 miles). Re: ESOF: he said that the teeth on the plastic gears shear off when the 4wd is engaged; I don't know where the gears are; he already had at least one come back in with the problem; maybe it's been fixed, I don't know. I'm not going to order the ESOF in any event.
stanford,
He didn't have any on the lot, I wish he did. I haven't found anyone with these trucks in a 4x4 CC --all my discussions with him were on ordering one.
Also (very important as far as the wife is concerned)..... Where did you guys find the overhead computer console in ford. My dealer said they don't offer it and I don't find it in the options list????????? I could only find it in Dodge. Any one have the ford option # for it???
Sure glad you all are here to keep me straight.
I will be at my delearship tomorrow and will try to talk to one of the shop people (mechanic) and see if he can tell me something about the SOF since that is what I have order with the PSD. I realy don't want the shifter in the floor.
(bunkski) Before you order the Dodge truck, talk to some who own them. I have and they do like them but several have had transmission replace several times and the bodies seem to not be as tight as the Ford. If the S
OF is why you don't order a Frod, Why not order manual locking hubs and manual shifter.
It is my understanding the you do't have to get out and lock the hubs on a SOF allyou have to do is punch the button.
I will also be surprise if Ford has design such a heavy duty truck and then put plastic gears in it. I will be extremly upset after paying what the PSD is costing me and then find out I have a 10cent plastic gear that breaks.
PS Still don't have build date yet.
I felt the same way about my instant mpg mode on the trip computer. I just realized because of this
site, that I had this mode. I tried it yesterday and your right it's all over the place and useless in around the town driving. I just leave it on ave. MPG like you said and I know what I'm doing over the long run. I will say this, I found out because of this mode my highway MPG was much better then I thought. I'm doing almost 18 on the highway and ave, 16.2 with around town driving with the 7.3 CC, LB, Auto. The cap helped up the ave. also.
Again in terms of the gears being plastic or cheap, if your a Ford engineer you should be ashamed to collect a pay check and if your managment you should be terminated if infact that is the case! I wonder if there is someone other then a dealership you could call to find out the truth about the SOF. When all the hoopla was going on about the hold up with the SOF in the spring, I was under the assumption it was because of hadware
failure and replacement. Now I see several posts that contend it was a computer and/or chip problem. I never heard that before. A post from early May stated a hub coming apart at a dealership lot, or poping off during a demo by the salesman or something along those lines. Thats why I thought it was a hardware problem. Something was not holding the hubs in place properly or along those lines. I was no longer concerned because my reorder/truck was built in late June after the problem was supposed to be rectified.
The bottom line is I have it, I wanted it and hopefully it will function and hold up as designed or advertised!!!!!
Thanks!
Mroffshore
Thanx, Ken
Yes those torx behind the headlights are the adjusters. Are they inverted or normal torx? Either way there should be two on each side, one up/down the other left/right.
Tom
There's already a wealth of information on the very general topic you're querying about. Please read all the responses on this thread (click "see all responses" near the top right of this page), and read all the responses on the other threads titled "Gas vs. Diesel", and "Super Duty Delivery Issues", and "Mileages".
After that, I'm sure many here will be quite helpful in responding to any specific questions that you have that still be unanswered.
Any after market replacements avalable ?
Still, no complaints.... this is one massive truck!
http://members.aol.com/superd4x4/auto/index.htm
There are several large pictures, so it may take a while to load.
HP
I noticed that many people have ordered or own a crew cab. When I was truck shopping the other day I realized that the rear seat in the new crew cabs are almost identical to the bench seat out of the regular cab pickups. I've never owned a crew cab before, but I was hoping (actually expecting) the rear seats to do something more than just lean forward. I was imagining a neat fold down maneuver like in extended cabs or at least enough room for a full size fridge. ;-). Am I missing something or is everybody else happy with the rear seat? Does anyone know of a source for an aftermarket seat with added functionality?
Response to Llight post #410 from October:
I can't really say as to how the long term ride is in the new SD as I don't own one yet, but I did find your account of finding a dealer interesting. I also live in the Seattle area and will be ordering a new SD this spring and I was wondering if you could comment on what, in general, was wrong with the first 9 dealers you went to (price, attitude, etc..) and which dealer you finally ended up buying from. At $300 over invoice, it sounds like you got a great deal.
FYI:
Every now and then I'll catch Motor Trend TV magazine on TNN on the weekends. The preview for next weekend's show claimed that they will be dyno testing the new F250 V-10. Also, I picked up a January copy of Four Wheeler magazine. In this edition they pick their own version of truck of the year. I wasn't as interested in the fact that the F-350 SD finished fifth out of five trucks in their testing as I was in their rear wheel torque and hp results. The V-10 finished only ~7% better than the 5.3L V-8 Vortec in the new Chevy. For some reason I was expecting a bigger difference. It would be interesting to see results from the 6.0L Vortec and the new Powerstroke.
Here are some of the "facts" from the article at
http://www.fourwheeler.com/newtrucks/roadtest/fordvschevy/index.html
"On the chassis dyno, we measured 341 lb.-ft. of torque at 2,000 rpm, with 200 peak horsepower at 3,500 rpm."
200 HP and 341 ft/lbs of torque from the V10? I don't think so.
and regarding their figures on the 7.3 diesel...
"On the dyno, we found 245 horsepower at 2,500 rpm and 590 lb.-ft. of torque at 2,000 rpm. Our 4x2 full-size ran like a rocket off the line, turning mid-10s in the quarter-mile and leaving rubber on the ground for about 120 feet."
Mid 10's in the quarter mile? They're saying that a 6600(?) lb, F350 pickup can beat a Viper and a Vette in a drag race?!
"Compared head-to-head with the new V-10, the 4x2 Navistar truck was smoother, faster, and more comfortable around corners. Our guess is the front springs are relatively soft, and the extra diesel weight helps keep the frontend planted.
In addition, our Powerstroke averaged well over 20 mpg, all of it in the city. As to respective weight, the diesel Crew cab weighed 20 pounds more than the V-10 Crew Cab..."
The diesel handled better? and weighed almost the same?
That article is highly misleading and at times completly wrong. Don't take that writer's (Mark Williams) info and opinion very seriously.
Dennis
1) What type and manufacturer of lift (or lifts) did you get?
2) Where did you get it/them?
3) How much did you pay for the lift and install?
4) Did you have to worry about backspacing the wheels at all?
Thanks, and again, nice truck.
Cheers,
Ryan
Do you have a long or short bed? Lariat or XL?
I have the LB Lariat.
I'm curious just to compare my milage with yours.
I think my ave. is 17.5 between highway and town. I am still playing with my trip computer. When I reset it the other day for the first time, the milage changed rapidly. I am assuming it is functioning properly. It will show about 19.5-20 MPG when first reset on the highway. If I leave it alone, it gives me what I believe is the ave. MPG between the highway and around town which has been 17.5 or so.
Any thoughts?
Mroffshore
Any reason why Ford does not offer a limited slip diff. with an auto. trans. in Calif. on a 4x4 250 SD extended cab? Limited slip is not available with the emissions pkg required in CA. LS is available, however, with a manual trans with an axle ratio of 4.3 on the V-10. This small, but significant, inadequacy is forcing me to consider a Dodge. Ford really screwed up on this one!
Why toss out a truck because of one easily-replacable feature? Have the dealer give you a price that includes a limited slip rearend that they install (and they should give you a break on that price to get your business) as the final truck price?
The reason that Ford doesn't offer it at the moment is that California requires every powertrain combination to be seperately tested and licensed. This costs Ford a lot of money, which in turn is passed on as part of the truck price. If they determine that the vast majority of purchasers aren't going to buy an option, they may not pay to test it (at least initially).
Thanks for that info! In fact it was because of one of your post's 2 weeks ago that I realized the truck had that feature. I thought I should be ave. more then 16.2 MPG. The fuel seemed to be lasting much longer then the trip computer indicated. I never read that part of the manual.
For the weight of that truck, tow pkg, hitch, L bed, fiberglass cap, 4x4, CC, lariat pkg, ect to get 20 MPG on the higway and ave 17.5 with around town, that to me is very good! I also believe it will still get better.
Thanks, Mroffshore
While I am happy with the milage and the PS Diesel, I would have to say I am more happy with the entire package that Ford put together in this Super Duty. this truck just works, it makes sense, and it certainly is a head turner in the Crew Cab model.
PS I purchased a white over gold model and I compare it to Moby Dick on the beach.... when I come out of a mall it is no challenge to find that sucker in the lot.
I do wish Ford left a little more room to insert your hand to trip the back seat latch. I do not have big hands and it is a challenge to operate that latch. But I can live with it.
I didn't do anything for backspacing, but the tires will barely rub the front lef springs on full right turns sometimes. When it is stationary, they have about 1/4 inch of clearance at full turn. But when moving sometimes you can make them rub lightly, but only on right turns. But it is no problem, just remember when parking or whatever, when you turn sharply to the right, just back the wheel of just a tad. I don't see an adjustable stop on the front axle like most 4x4s have. I may look into a spacer (perhaps 1/4 inch) that goes between the wheel and hub someday, but it really isn't anything urgent.
Thanks for the reply. Not only did you answer why the LS was not offered with the auto. trans, but you provided a very logical solution to the problem. Thanks again!
Did I see some where that you have two wheel drive. I do have 4X4 which I'm sure also adds some extra weight. I also agree with you on the room you have to work with inorder to trip the rear seat release. I have lg hands and it's a fight to get to that release. But you live with it.
thanks,
Mroffshore
FYI my rig is a F250 Super Duty, PS Diesel, Crew Cab, Lariat, White over Tan, Short Bed, Auto Trans, 608A Pref Equip Pkg, Trialer towing, Privacy Glass, Trailer hitch/towing pkg, Chrome rear step, Roof lights, CD player, sliding rear window, 3.73 rear end, & sliding rear window. I think that is it.... OH YEA list price at $35,630 with destination charges included. Factory discounts bring it to 34,225. All this info is off the window sticker.... memory says I paid about 30 to 31 for it... before the trade in.
Hope this helps.
Got to change my handle to F250SDman:-)
Regarding Seattle area dealers, we've been through the mill! We actually live on the Olympic Peninsula, but as you probably know, it's easier to say you live in Seattle. We started close to us - Bay Ford in Port Orchard and then hit Parr in Bremerton. We had an appt with Bay regarding the Costco program and we waited for the specific Costco rep to help us for two hours before we walked. Parr lost our business too since they only wanted to give us 1/2 of the wholesale value of our trade. Then, in no particular order, Evergreen in Issaquah didn't want to deal (even though they were dealing all over on diesels but no go on V-10's), Bill Pierre in Lake City didn't seem too interested in selling us anything, Titus Will in Tacoma waited too long to get back to us and didn't give us a great offer on our trade, Mallon in Tacoma ticked us off the moment we got out of our car when the 13-year old salesman said "just looking"? (my question was, did it matter?), the Gig Harbor Ford salesman hardly gave us the time of day because we weren't buying right now, and I can't remember who else. We ended up back closer to home at Courtesy in Poulsbo and it was pretty painless. Jeff Rusho, the manager gave us a decent price for our trade and hardly blinked an eye when we told him we wanted $300 over invoice like the Costco/internet deals. He didn't ask for anything down, we didn't sign anything but we did get in writing what he would give us for our trade and the $300 over invoice. I call him about once a week to check on the status and he doesn't mind a bit that I "bug" him on a regular basis. The latest is that the order was to have been pulled this week, but we don't have a VIN yet. We ordered it October 10 and there was some hold up from Ford on the AM/FM/cassette/CD player but apparently stock is back up to where it should be. We're anxiously awaiting our truck! Good luck to you, I think you'll like Courtesy's low key/not pushy approach.
I talked with someone in Fla, that was experiencing the same type of attitude. No wonder some people are trading in their Blue Ovals for little boys bowties. The head Honchos at Ford need to go around the country and start doing some surprise anonymous inquiries about Super Duties and start kicking some asses.
Thanks for the reply. We have only talked to few dealers, but most of them had no problem ordering for us; however, we haven't tried to negotiate a price on an ordered truck either. One was willing to try to find us a truck in stock at another dealership that he could trade for so we could avoid the wait, even if he had to go to Idaho or Montana. We also had something similar to KEH4x4's and your experience at Evergreen Ford; they really wanted to sell you a truck, as long as it was one sitting in their lot. If we buy from Courtesy we might just pick up the truck and head straight out to the coast for a week with it.
Another question is how reliable is the navistar I have heard lots of negatives from people around here? My parents have a 95 Dodge with the cummins and are pretty happy so far with it.
Thank you for your time.
Sean Wolff "The Jailbird"
I have always preferred GM products over Ford (in fact my wife usually calls me the GM poster child), but I had to order a Ford this time. Chevy just wasn't able to make what we needed, when we needed it. Ford was supposed to have picked up our order last week. We are getting the F250SD, V-10, supercab, LB, XLT, 3.73LS, black and decked out.