Jeep Liberty

andy81

Mad - judging from the pictures I have seen the US window tinting differs from what is offered here. Basically from what I can tell they don't import ANY Liberty's with the windows tinted - the dealers just get it done locally based on the customers orders. It is the same with sunroofs here. Often they are fairly light coloured tints which are not really much use.

Sad story here. Second w/end of owning my Black Sport and it is now at the panel beaters. Was crawling through long (over the bonnet) grass in low range and an old fence pole with a single strand of barbed wire was concealed - only glanced past it as walking pace but that was enough. Damage was very deep scratches to the bumper and the wheel flare plus some light scratches to the front qtr. panel that will need filling and painting. The good news is that I am well insured (yes - even against stupidity). The lesson learnt - always have someone walk the track if you can't see clearly what is in front of you.

The shocking news is the price of the front bumper for the Liberty - here is is $AUD1150 which is damn expensive. The wheel flare was $310. Worse news is that I could have used this opportunity to fit a bull bar which would protect the front a bit better (lots of 'roos to hit here) but alas there is no-one is Australia that has designed one for the KJ yet (at least 6 months away is the best answer I got).

Anyway get the Jeep back on Monday - 1450kms and one accident - not great.

Andy

firstjeep

The Jeep cherokee Limited (=European version of Liberty Limited) comes with factory installed tinted windows overhere. The Sport does not. Same goes for the leather: Optional (factory installed)on the Limited, not on the Sport.
I think this is kinda lame. I mean- what happens if a tinted window breaks on the Limited- they should be able to order new windows, right? So couldn't they order Limited-windows and put them on the Sport? The aftermarket windows offered by the Dealer here don't look the same, they look like there is dark foil stuck to the window (which of course is the case). Also- only three years guarantee- which I guess means that after that the air bubbles will appear?
(additionally I our case we'll be moving to the US next year and that dealer guarantee won't do me any good.
bout the leather- which seats / cloth do you guys have that you like so much?
It's starting to look like I'll have to cough up a bit extra and get a limited I guess.

Sorry to hear about your damage Andy - that must suck on a new car. Good for you you got full coverage insurance.

Jim

bnun1

I've been looking at purchasing a Liberty and last night I saw an ad in the paper for a used Liberty Limited 2WD with 11K miles for $21,850. The Liberty is fully loaded and has all the features I wanted plus leather seats.

The owner said his reason for selling was that his wife just had a 2nd child and they now have a double-wide stroller and the 2 car-seats and stroller just don't fit well in the Liberty. She now wants something like an Expedition.

It seems like a good reason to sell, but my main concern is buying a car someone is trying to unload because its a lemon. I plan on getting it checked out by a mechanic before I purchase.

Is there ANYTHING that current Liberty owners can recommened that I should watch for? Also, shouldn't I receive the same level of service/treatment from the delaer? Does anyone have experience with this stiuation and Chrsyler/Jeep?

Thanks and I hope to join the ranks of satisfied Liberty owners soon.

Brandon

oywhatnext

All else being equal, unless you are paying cash, you may be better off buying a new vehicle. Most banks will give you a better interest rate on a new purchase so your monthly payment may be close to the same. If you buy, for example, a new Liberty that lists for $26,500 (that would buy a nicely equipped Limited with everything but a sunroof and 6 disc CD player) then get the dealer to give you an 8% discount (not at all unreasonable) and then deduct your down payment (you'll need less of a d/p with new as opposed to used) and you may find that your monthly payment is not so far from what it would be buying used.

Another obvious benefit is the peace of mind you will get rom having a brand new Jeep. I've had mine for two weeks and I've loved every inch of the 1st 1,000 miles.

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best of luck!

andy81

Jim - I see that the product names are the same in the Netherlands as here (Cherokee rather than Liberty - they couldn't call it that here as Subaru beat DC to it).

I was pretty keen on the Limited but ended up choosing the Sport for several reasons:

1. The colour coded wheel arches can be a problem if you intend to go off-road as they tend to pick up small scrapes from scrub etc.

2. Liked the leather seats but I thought that the electric seats would be a problem. I personally think that they are a pointless feature and as my partner has her seat fully forward and I have fully back it is painfully slow waiting for it to adjust, whereas the manual seat is just bang !

3. Here they were substantially discounting the Sport but not the Limited. There was a list price difference of $4000 but in reality you can get a Sport for about $7000 less than the Limited.

4. Here the only differences b/w Sport and Limited are leather and electric seats (neither are heated here), the overhead trip computer, the painted bumper and wheel arches, and the brushed alloy dash kit. I was not interested in the trip computer (have a hand held GPS that cost $300. mounts on the dash and is more accurate) and I bought the dash kit anyway.

Jim - as for your situation - Look I REALLY like the Sport. I have convinced myself that it looks more rugged than the Limited (but then again if I had the Limited I would convince myself that the Sport looks cheap) and the cloth seats are comfy and seem pretty durable. As for the aftermarket window tinting - I just had mine done here - great quality film that you literally can't see except for a fine line when you wind the windows down. I got a lifetime guarantee (as long as I own the car) against any bubbling or failure and a 10 year guarantee if I sell the Jeep. I had a VW Golf before the Jeep and had the same aftermarket tint and it was excellant - no problems at all.

Great place the Netherlands - my favourite country on earth. Lived in Amsterdam for a year. Many off road opportunites?

andy81

You should get a full factory warranty on the car so you will be treated exactly like the original owner I would have thought. That said I was offered a demo with 7000kms on the clock and there was only $2000 difference b/w that and a brand new car. I took the new one as then I know it has been treated well since new, and also I got a Dec build date which I preferred to one of the earlier ones to come out of Toledo as if there was ever any problems they were more likely in the first ones off the line (although v. few probs for a new car anyway).

Andy

mad0865

If you don't need or want 4x4, have a mechanic look at it. I personally enjoy the 4x4Full/hi/lo on my Liberty, and have used them extensively. Just make sure the warranty comes across on the transaction, and call the carfax (think they're on the web) for any work done on the vehicle. Have a couple of mechanics look at it, and if the deal is good, get it. Problems? None. I still have to get the two recall problems taken care of, but that is really it. Standard 3000 mile oil change, waited till 11,000 to get the tires rotated.

Andy: Sorry to hear about the body repair work done, that really sucks. Yeah, heard about the "roo" situation down there, have a friend that I work with from a town a few hundred kilometers from Sydney. He loved 4x4'n down under, and had a Chevy truck with the bull bars on em'.

As for DC not shipping the Sports with the Tinted windows; that's just wrong. I paid a little extra to have that done at the factory, but it's an option that should carry over, regardless of where you purchase the vehicle. Unless there are certain countries that allow a certain degree of window tint? Like here in NJ, we can only have the back windows tinted and not the driver/passenger/front. Dunno.

-mad

cdkelly23

For my two-cents' worth, I believe you can purchase (or lease) a brand-new Liberty at or near the price of the use Liberty you are looking at.

Not only do you get a better rate on a new car, you also get the warranty, as well as the peace of mind of driving a new vehicle.

Also, you can get 4x4 at that price as well.

I don't believe the price on the used Liberty you are considering is a good one. Talk with a 5-star Jeep dealer. They will work with you (at least mine did) and you will get a much better price and a new vehicle.

charlesb_la

You won't get the 7yr-100,000 mile powertrain warranty with a used Liberty, just the basic 3-36000 and the 3 yr started when it was put into service.

Just a thought.
Charles

firstjeep

Agree with your reasoning for the Sport.

1-I have seen what happens to body color bumpers- even if you're not an off roader. In Europe as you know having lived in Amsterdam people tend to park closely, push one car forward and the other back a bit during parking, slam the door into the next car while getting out even. hmm, not a pretty sight after a year or two.

2- Same situation here.:-)so manual might be easier.

3- I am now buying a US model which I can do because of our status here. This also takes care of the window tint problem. I guess Sports are cheaper...but not $7000.

4- Since I have given up on leather/ electric seats there doesn't seem a good reason for the Limited, except that I do like the trip computer. The dash kit? Are those the brushed aluminium pieces? Maybe I should look into a separate GPS...later.

Finally- The Limited only comes as automatic, and I like manual. So there it is. I'll get the Sport. It does look cooler doesn't it ;-)

I'm thinking about the 2.4 liter now, which will safe a lot on gas ($3.50 per gallon now and rising)
Unfortunately they haven't started selling this model here so I can't test drive it.
Has anyone driven or bought this model?

Andy- no, not a lot of off roading here, we actually live in Belgium now, about 2 hours away from Amsterdam. The Netherlands is one of the most densely populated countries in the world. No 'outback' here. However, we'll be moving to the US next year. There is plenty of space there.

soulfinger

I never even considered the 2.4 when I bought my Liberty, and I don't think I've ever even seen one on the road. I can't imagine that the 2.4 would produce satisfactory power in a vehicle this heavy. If fuel mileage is a big concern for you, Firstjeep, perhaps the Liberty just isn't for you. In any configuration it's the Liberty's weakest link. I think buying a 2.4 for fuel economy or any other reason would be a big mistake.

andy81

Not a lot of hills in the Netherlands either.

Try the CRD 2.5 Turbo - I loved that car and would have bought one over the 3.7l petrol without a doubt. My problem was the opposite though - I wanted an automatic (much better for towing the boat and my wife prefers it with the bigger cars). Also the diesel, although listed as only $1000 more than the petrol Sport, was not as heavily discounted here so the real price difference was more like $3-4K which buys a lot of petrol. My main reason for wanting the CRD was fuel consumption - the CRD uses about half that of the 3.7l petrol. In the end though the 3.7 was a much nicer drive and the price difference compensated the much higher fuel consumption.

Have a read of this (cut and paste into browser):

http://www.overlander.com.au/vehicletest.cfm?uuid=1FC88240-F5F1-4A54-900ACAE3645AAEA4&currentmodel=true

BTW - I built this site so any comments are much appreciated, although I no longer work for the publisher.

If I had to go for a smaller petrol engine I would only consider the CRD - I think loosing 1.3 litres on a 2 ton car would be a problem.

firstjeep

Thanks guys. I am buying the car from the US and am having it shipped over here. They don't sell the CRD in the US do they? I have driven it and it is not bad, if you don't mind the noise. I don't mind, but my wife does. Since this is actually supposed to be her car I think we'll be OK with the 2.4. Even though I would like to get the 3.7, this time we'll go for the environment. :-)
I can always trade it in for a gas guzzler when we have moved to the US.
It's sad isn't it. For those of you who haven't been to this part of the world- you'll not see any cars with engines over 2.5 liter here. (with a few exceptions of course)
Some of the most sold cars here are: Golf 1.9tdi, Audi A4 1.9tdi, BMW 318i, or 320d, then maybe a Ford or something, but only the little ones like the Focus.
See the trend? Small engines. Lots of Diesel.

firstjeep

There is something called Upper Compartment Partition Part #: 82206855 MSRP: US $170.00

on the jeep site.

Anyone seen it? Is it good?

BTW Nice site Andy81!

mnjeeplib

I purchased a liberty about two weeks ago- patriot blue, fully loaded (compliments of little bro') love the vehicle thus far. It is the first non-sedan that I have owned.

I must admit that I like to sit "up high" versus riding on the road as my sedan now makes me feel.

So here is the question- I got the leather seats but they do not seem to go back far enough for me. I am only 5'6" so I wonder how taller folks are doing. I moved both the passenger and the driver seat back as far as they would go, and they both stop at the same spot. Is this just an SUV ride versus a sedan? Just curious-

mad0865

MNJeeplib: While I don't have the leather seats, I'm 6foot and with the seats back all the way they're fine for me. As for the "sit up high" feeling you get from the Liberty; (lol) wait till you have to drive a regular sedan. Had to use my wife's Taurus (used to be mine) and felt like I was riding about 2 inches off the ground. Real weird feeling; not sure I can ever go back to that way again.

-mad

shreddedshoe

Hey all! I posted this question some time back and with more people buying Liberty's, I just thought I would post it again...does anyone (and it doesn't seem like it) have a problem with the rear seats not folding flat? I love the Liberty and it suits me to a T, (I don't own one yet, but I'm in the market and it's my first pick), but not having a completely flat cargo area bugs me. I've looked at and have driven other SUV's...but keep coming back to the Liberty. If I had to buy tomorrow, it would be a Liberty - overall, compared to others I have looked at, it's the one...except for not having a completely flat cargo area. So, how 'bout it Liberty owners...I need to hear your comments on this. I know in the end it comes down to my needs and preferences, but I don't have one and hearing about the experiences of those who do help alot. On a day-to-day basis, the cargo area with the seats up is more than sufficient. I occasionally have the need for more space and think that it won't be a problem, but this will be my first new car in over 8 years and I want it to be right. Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

mnjeeplib

mad0865: my sedan is a 98 Taurus, and yes, I feel like I am riding on the road when I drive it now. Real strange feeling after the "lofty" ride of the Liberty. I kept the sedan just in case I hated the jeep-- I know, I should have rented before I bought something like this, but none of the car rental agencies in the TC have a Liberty in their arsenals, so I had to buy it first!

The seat thing is with rail stoppers (sorry don't know the technical name) the seats are mounted on. The more I drive the vehicle, I find that I am plenty far back from the pedals- I think I was trying to assume the lounger position that I get in my Taurus. My lack of experience in anything other than a sedan was/is the problem I think.

mad0865

I know the exact "lounge" feeling you're talking about. Man do I miss it. It's an extremely comfortable way to drive, one that I haven't experienced since giving my Taurus SE to my wife. I do however, enjoy the Liberty ride and feel, and wouldn't give it up for anything.

firstjeep

Yeah it really depends on what you need it for. If you're planning to use this car as a hearse, the seats not going down 100% could be a problem:-)
It seems you're more like most users though, only occasionally need the extra cargo space?
I looked at the jeep.com site, the Liberty - Interior page and it's got this Flash animation called Load The Liberty. It fits lost of stuff, even with one of the back seats still up right. I know this sounds like a terrible way to decide on a car, but I wasn't going to go down to the dealer with my bike,and luggage to see if it all fit.
Please note that I am not a Liberty owner, but I am ordering one today. It will not be the 2.4 like originally planned, but the 3.7 V6. The only Lib I have driven was the 2.5 CRD.

This is my first new car ever. Until now I have owned VWs and a BMW but always used vehicles.
I looked at the Freelander and it has no cargo space at all with the rear seats up. On top of that it's more expensive, and...we all know THERE'S ONLY ONE

luvstrucks

After having Blazers, Explorers and pickups for 15 or so years, my husband and I bought a Libby in January. At first, the inability of the rear seats to fold flat bugged me too, especially since one of the main reasons we stayed with an SUV is because my husband needs to haul his band equipment (speakers, mixer, mike stands, instruments, etc.)from gig to gig. However, it became a non-issue very quickly. There's a ton of room back there, and even with the seats at a slight incline, you can load it up without things tipping and rolling. Now we don't even notice that the rear area isn't flat. Best vehicle I've ever owned, bar none.

imjohnnyo

I am considering buying a Liberty, but I am concerned about the amount of leg room on the driver's side with the 4 wheel drive. I am 5"-11" tall but when I sat in one at the dealer it seemed tight. For those who have had their Liberty awhile, how do you find the leg room? Is it uncomfortable after driving some distance?

wannavee

I have been hanging around Town Hall for some time on the SUV board in order to find out some more info on 2 vehicles I'm currently interested in. Ashamedly I admit to current ownership of a minivan (family of 4 plus dog and hamster), but my lease expires soon and we wish to replace with an SUV. In my perfect world I would be tossing a coin between a Yukon or Sequoia, however reality has reduced the list to a Liberty or a CRV. I realize that these seem like apples and oranges but both vehicles have a fiercly loyal owner base and they are both appealing to me. Some of our important criteria are road noise and comfort for extended travel, as we live far from both of our families. CR dings the Lib for jittery road manners. Test drove a 4W sport around town but not on highway.
Can any of you out there relate some experience with long distance travel and comfort for someone 6'2"?
Thanks,
s2

andy81

I have had my Liberty (nee Cherokee) for about a month now. I am 6'1" tall and have always been a big fan of adopting the lounging position when driving. Have to say that the Liberty has plenty of leg room for me although I do have the seat nearly as far back as it goes (one stop off the back).

We get ripped off in the RHD versions as the transmission does intrude in the amount of space down there (although no effect on length) but to be honest this is not really an issue.

Get the Liberty - best car I have ever owned.

Andy

andy81

Have now done 2 500 kms plus trips in the Liberty and think that it's long range comfort is pretty good. The seats are slightly short in the base area but the armrest is perfect.

That said if you are not planning to use any of the features of the Jeep (towing capacity, off road, robustness) then I would pick a CRV every time - it will use significantly less fuel, and in general will drive like a car and I would imagine it would be generally cheaper to own. Much less power though and the CRV will struggle in overtaking with a full load.

I wouldn't touch one if you paid me mind you - over here CRV's are not even considered 4WD's but rather AWD vehicles.

Andy

snow8

My guesses in this subcontracting dealin wheelin world:
diesel Liberty (Cherokee) is made in US.
2.5 CRD comes from VM Italien factory which is owned by Detroit Diesel.
Motors are assembled in Toledo plant.
I do not know if any Cherokees are touched in Craz, Austria even dealers say so. Maybe there is a distribution center.
Firstjeep is right, diesel is all that and louder than benzin. Also 2.4 is very rare, maybe 3.7 could save some money on the long run. Then again 2.4 is tested in Voyager (any chat rooms about those?)
I think you have done everything right, I just like to have some pleasures in this challenging life and use his rule for myself:
so much money I spent here for this automotive stuff, I try to get something that makes me smile everytime I see it or use it!
It rules for all I do.

I found that in Greece and in Finland a tax free price for diesel/2.4 l Cherokee was about 22000 €.

My 2 centessimos

anonymous02

"...but none of the car rental agencies in the TC have a Liberty in their arsenals, so I had to buy it first!"

What is "the TC"?

anonymous02

"...If you're planning to use this car as a hearse, the seats not going down 100% could be a problem:-)"

Not for the "passenger"!

;-)

anonymous02

"Ashamedly I admit to current ownership of a minivan (family of 4 plus dog and hamster), but my lease expires soon and we wish to replace with an SUV."

Why? What are your needs?

"In my perfect world I would be tossing a coin between a Yukon or Sequoia, however reality has reduced the list to a Liberty or a CRV."

What is your perfect world? Why does "reality" reduce your list to those?

You need to be honest with yourself and ask those kind of questions.

"Some of our important criteria are road noise and comfort for extended travel, as we live far from both of our families."

Sounds like a sedan, wagon, or minivan so far.

"CR dings the Lib for jittery road manners."

In comparison maybe to cars or car based "suv's".

"Test drove a 4W sport around town but not on highway."

How about in the woods? On the beach?

wannavee

Why? What are your needs?

Needs include plenty of Cargo room for lengthy road trips and occasional trips to Home improvement center. Since I always try to be honest with myself I have to list the following as desires:

Tall driving position, capability for occasional light-duty towing and access to remote beach on Gulf-coast.

What is your perfect world? Why does "reality" reduce your list to those?

I guess "perfect" is not an accurate statement but if money were no object the Yukon and Sequoia look to be close to the top of class. Since money is a concern, the Liberty and CRV are more within my budget.

Sounds like a sedan, wagon, or minivan so far.

We currently own a minivan.

How about in the woods? On the beach?

If you know of any dealers that allow test drives on the beach, or in the woods, in South Texas, please let me know where they are located.

anonymous02

I'd hate to meet a Jeep dealer that doesn't allow test drives in the woods or on the beach.

Don't they have beaches in South Texas?

For a good laugh: In college, a friend and I took a used Jeep (CJ? Wrangler?) out for a test drive. We took it across frozen furrowed fields, a river, and mud. When we got back, the sales guy was all anxious to sell it, and we said, "Nah, it's kinda beat up!". We used to test drive a lot of cars back then for fun.

I have since grown up... a little.

firstjeep

With that in mind, I am pleased to let you all know I have ordered the Liberty.
For those who have read all posts from the past week or two - you know I changed my mind a few times between different models / engines and finally came up with this:
Liberty Sport 3.7 V6 5M
Pretty much all factory options except the tow group (got nothing to tow)
It may not seem very original, although I think most of you have the automatic, but it is quite original over here. hehe.
It'll cost me $60 to fill the tank, but it's worth it.
Cause THERE'S ONLY ONE, right?
Thanks to all for advice. Thanks for only posting a hand full of 'issues' in the Lib problems 300+ posts.

Very excited! Only 95 days till delivery.

rsholland

Because of the rollovers in two publications, Jeep is going to lower the Liberty!

Bob

http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=2003

wannavee

There are great beaches in Texas. If you have the right vehicle you can access some fairly remote, and beautiful, locations on S. Padre Island.

So you think I can talk local Jeep Dealer into allowing some fun on the sand? Honda guys will barely let you take a CRV around the block so I'm sure offroad is not an option there.

Anonymous02 - Would've loved to see the expression on the Salesman's face after the tundra jaunt.
:P

beach15

Here's another article on the Jeep Liberty being lowered. 1/2" isn't all that much so I don't see where it will help that much as far as stability, but whatever floats DC's boat!

http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b041202.htm

anonymous02

I really thought you were joking, or had one of those urban, ghetto low rider mobiles in a picture or something.

I guess that will be OK as long as aftermarket lift kits are still available.

andy81

Well that is great news - makes me happy I got mine when I did. I think the handling and stability is fine and I would hate to lose any ground clearance at all. Who knows guys - early KJ's may have just become more valuable.....

Andy

rsholland

An interesting point is made in the last paragraph of this link: If Jeep lowers future Libertys, thus admitting (in the minds of many) that there could(?) be problem, does that give owners of current (higher) Libertys a legal leg to stand on in terms of demanding a recall?

You gotta admire DC for addressing this situation, much like they did with the infamous "moose test" of the Euro-A Class, but you also gotta wonder—with our lawsuit-happy culture here in the USA, whether this was a good move on DC's part.

Bob

http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=2003

donsur

I bought my loaded Liberty Limited 4x4 August 2001. It now has over 7000 miles on it. It has been back to the dealer twice for the normal factory service plus two recalls. It has had absolutely no problems at all to date. It has been driven on mountains twisty roads, in the snow with 4 wheel drive and constantly on the highways at (70 mph) each day to and from work. My wife has a MB ML320 and the Liberty handels just as well as the MB and is a heck of a lot quieter plus is runs on regular gas. For the record here, I like my Liberty and definately get another one. That is something I cannot say about my previous vehicles. The dealer is tops (Jasper Jeep) and the Libery just keeps going and going with no problems.

binka

just to second the motion, took delivery of Liberty Ltd on Oct.10 now have 6,000 miles this vechicle has been fantastic not a squeak, rattle, or problam of any kind. Goes through snow and mud like a little tank yet is quite, mild mannered, and fun to drive on the clear roads. I have read some posts of people who have had problems but they must be in the minority. The only thing i have trouble getting used to is the placement of the power window switch in the center counsel

mad0865

Took ownership in Oct2001, have 12,000 miles on it. Been in for oil change and tire rotation (I've been a little lax on the recall issues, will do it when I get a free day). Otherwise, excellent truck. Awesome in mud, snow, rain. Can't wait to take it onto the beaches in the Outerbanks this summer.

yada

I just picked up my Liberty Limited 2 days ago....My husband was concerned about the whole rollover issue & didn't want me to take delivery of a vehicle that had a potential recall of that magnitude...I called DC & they verified that they started lowering them in March... mine was built on 4/5 & is of the lowered variety...

oywhatnext

Since my Liberty is of the unlowered kind - and I like it that way!!! Hey - what can I say - I'm a wild man.

mad0865

Unfortunately, I can't agree with that. I bought a Jeep because I wanted a Jeep. Something tall that I can take off road and "play" in the mud, sand, whatever. If I wanted a lowered vehicle, I would have purchased a Triscape, CRV, Rav4, (insert car based suv here). Good thing I got mine before they started that lowering nonsense. Been driving it for 7 months now, haven't even come close to "rolling it". I don't even know how that would feel. They market the Liberty as a JEEP, it's a truck. If you don't drive it as a sports car, then it doesn't roll over.

ps: they only lowered it 1/2 inch, so it's not really going to make it any safer than any other truck out on the road. Just thought I'd add that bit of trivia.

firstjeep

"But earlier this month, the automaker began building Liberty SUVs with the front lowered by 22 millimeters and the rear by 19 millimeters"

from the earlier posted source http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=2003

Assuming Reuters got the facts, that is 0.8661 inch in the front and 0.748 inch in the rear.

So now you know.

FYI My Liberty delivery: t-87

andy81

I forgot to thank you very, very much for your info on how to reprogram the key fob so that all the doors open on the first press.

Not even the dealership here knew how to do this and you have saved me years of frustration and double-clicking.

Now if someone can tell me a simple way to disable the chime that goes off when you start the Jeep without having your seat belt on (but still leaves the warning light on the dashboard and all the other chimes) then I would be one happy camper.

Incidentally - first big trek this Thursday (ANZAC Day here) with a mate who has a new Turbo Diesel Toyota Hilux. Just went out and got some rated D shackles and a new snatch strap. Will take some photos and post.
Cheers,
Andy

snow8

Great choice and enjoy driving and using it.
This model will keep its value when and if returning back to States (and in Europe also !).
Manual 5 with 3,7 V6 should be nice for all use, off and onroad.

I have to join also the these flawless posts.
I have 7000kms and no problems. All is well.

Keep us posted Firstjeep about your waiting time, and there should be enough of ground clearance for 90% of use.

Drive Safe !

Snow8

yada

What can anybody tell me about following the
recommended break-in???? What is that Sammy Hagar
tune???

rsholland

Does anyone know if the Liberty (or any Jeep) has any restrictions as to towing a trailer without trailer brakes? This info would be in your owner's manual.

I know many vehicle manufacturers do put severe towing restrictions on their vehicles if the trailer doesn't have brakes. GM and Nissan are just two examples, I know there are others too.

Bob

andy81

The KJ maual specifies 750kg for unbraked trailers and 2250kg for braked.

I tow a lot of boats and have to say that once you get close to about 700kg not having brakes on the trailer starts to really affect stopping and I would consider it dangerous.