ASC works OK... TRAC works better. TRAC also comes with heated seats and is a lot nicer
Especially where it gets cold!
ASC is ALWAYS standard on V8 cars. TRAC adds the ability of the system to ALSO use the brakes to control wheelspin. ASC works a lot like TRAC in a 95-97 car in reality (Having driven both in the snow on identical tires.. A 95-97 without it is a bit tricky without snows in the white powder..)
The 1995 XJ6 I recently purchased did not come with a key-ring transmitter. Jaguar quotes a price for a new one about $180. Are these available at a more reasonable price from any other sources? If Yes...Jaguar indicates that there are two transmitters available with different frequencies. If available from a non-Jaguar source, how do I know I will be ordering the right one? Can I program the transmitter to the car myself or do I have to have Jaguar service do this?
Not sure, but you might want to try checking with the fellows on Jag-Lovers.org, there's quite a lot of ressources there :-) might even want to joint the forums ... very helpfull :-)
i just bought a 93 xj6 w/33000 miles on it when its cold the oil pressure is 1/2 way to 3/4 up the gauge but when it warms up it goes much lower. what should the oil pressure be on this 4.0 liter engine car at idle ? also i need to get a second key for it. where is the best place to get one for a jag?
Just purchased a remote from www.keylessride.com. Price was a little more than 1/3 of the dealer's quote. I will follow up with a report on the product and the service when I receive the device.
Just checked with Jaguar on the recall for XJ6s and XJ12s EGR valve (see message #981). I was told the recall has been suspended but is expected to begin again tentatively within the next few months.
www.motorcarsltd.com also has them for $59. In additon, they have a ton of Jaguar parts and accessories, online forums that are moderated by Jaguar mechanics, and really knowledgable salespeople.
I'm not affiliated. But, I've bought a few things from them, and it's always a good experience.
BTW, the Jaguar list price is $61. The dealers must have been including some sort of "programming" charge in there, or something.
I recieved a letter in the mail from Jaguar regarding this recall. I believe it stated that they would be sending out a new letter once the recall is active again.
I am biting at the bit waiting for good weather in sunny MN. My baby has been in storage since Thanksgiving and am waiting for the snow to quit and melt before I take her out. We have lots of sand and junk on the freeways and don't like to take her out until they clean it up this month. Unfortunately, we received 8 inches at the beginning of the week, so I have a couple more weeks to go.
Still log in every day though to see whats going on. Don't have much to say but enjoy staying connected. Take care all.
Hey I'm looking for instruction on how to make a hands free call on the Jag phone. It looks like the radio needs a code before it will recognize my voice. The phone will work if I dial from the phone key pad. Thanks in Advance
I know that the Nav can be retrofit into some XJ8's but it might not go all the way back to 1999. It does not matter though because their is no screen. It is similar to the Audi, the dirrections are displayed on the radio face. basically it is not worth the money, better to go aftermarket
...it is terrible. I never use it, I truly prefer Yahoo directions. It's not only the small display, it's the fact it's stubborn and never seems to re-adjust when you go for an alternate route to avoid major traffic jams... it keeps on trying to get you to do a 180 and head back to the originating point so it can stick to its original plan... and then there's weird interactiosn with the music - if you have a CD playing, and you went for nav, the nav portion can't be turned off on its own anymore, and keeps butting in wven when you don't need it...
No, the Nav system has only been updated for the revised S-type. I know the 2001 XJ got some chassis improvements, and now it's all just been minor window-dressing before the venerable XJ gets re-vamped. I got the old model because, quite honestly, I doubt the new one will be half as classic and gorgeous. I have an XJR and can only totally and thoroughly recommend it. I bought new, but probably wouldn't do it again - these are cars that do not age with a few years, and the deals get very sweet, and hey, it's real money these days and not stock options anymore... :-(
Does anyone know if the navigation DVD has ever been revised? I have a 2001 XKR and while I like the system there are some fairly old (new) roads that aren't listed or on the map.
yay. got a 96 taupe xj6 with 66000 miles on it and it was well cared for and it's cleeeeeen...and what a blast to drive.
at any rate i have a couple of questions. 1) where can i find a list of when and what the scheduled maintenances are for this car...was something supposed to be done at 60,000...i'm not sure if it was or not...or what i should be looking for... 2) has anybody found a good sound system upgrade for this car? i'd like to leave the jaguar radio in, cause i like the stock look...but anybody upgrade with amps or speakers and get a great result? whatdja use?
Well, folks, here I am. Gawd, I LUUUUV this car. I picked it up a few months ago from texascarsdirect, since I live in Dallas. I had spent over a year talking about getting one, read everything I could find, including this board, weekly trips to the tcd warehouse, watching beauties come and go, until I just put my hands on this one at 50k miles and 22k price. Driving home, I couldn't believe why I had waited so long to jump on such great deals. After 6k wonderful miles in this Topaz/Oatmeal gem, the enjy of friends, colleagues, and some of my superiors, on the way home in traffic, nothing unusual, the amber Failsafe Engine Mode illuminated, and the cruise control disconnect (light out). After sitting, the system starts fine, but after a few minutes, same deal. No drivability symptons, no strange noises emanating, nothing unusual. Believe me, I am a car guy that is used to doing my own work. I've swapped engines in less than a day, kept a mustang convertible going for 180k (still have it) and more. Before I get in to the dealer, since I am just out of warranty, can anyone describe to me the systems monitored/controlled by this circuit and maybe whaty kind of problems I might expect? Or is it a bad sensor maybe? I can't believe I could get this warning with absolutely zero audible/visible/noticeable symptoms. Still soooo happy with this premier machine. The stereo HK system is flawless, everything is almost flawless......Life is Sweet.
As for your question .... tried with the forums at Jag-Lovers.org !?? There's a few others out there but I've found those to be quite ... educating ... to say the least :-)
Had to tell somebody... just bought myself a '98 VDP, black with oatmeal interior for just south of $25K with 50K miles on her. Got traction, heated seats, CD - the works. Got all the service records, well maintained - hopefully won't turn out to be a lemon. The dealer (purchased from an out of state Jag dealer) offers a 3 day, 150 mile money back guarantee. They've already run it through their own shop, found about $600 worth of things to fix ($600 doesn't seem to fix very much at $85/hr) and lo and behold, have pronounced it "beautiful". My question is this - should I spend the $125 and have my local Jag dealer inspect it as well? Seems silly not to, but my wife insists I am demonstrating how untrusting a person I am. As for me, I think I'm demonstrating how much I know it will hurt later if they end up finding something obvious AFTER the 3 day money back guarantee. Thoughts from the peanut gallery please....
Thanks, Eh. I was all over the jag-lovers archived discussions, found on mention from 00, and one in this board from 01. Mentioned that a mech said the 'throttle' needed cleaning. What throttle on the 4.0? Like I said before, I have a lot of grease under my fingernails, but now don't really feel like busting knuckles. I figure I saved a bunch when I bought, a few bucks into service and I'm basically even? I mean, this is a spectacular car. The power just is still a surprise sometimes to me. And, unless they try to tell me that 'she needs uh new cam and some pistons!', I think I'll give Overseas Motors in Dallas the benefit of the doubt. At least it isn't DOA. I still like to just look at it sometimes. Driving it is such a pleasure. I have the Mustang, like I said, and now the wife drives the Montero SR. I'm tired of the whole SUV thing, and that was the one she wanted anyway. Wife wass the one that kept encouraging me to get the Jag, to treat myself, because 'you deserve it'. And she doesn't beg me to let her drive it! Just once or twice has she even mentioned it. I think she wanted to have something just for me.
So, any thoughts out there about the Fail Safe Mode? Troubleshooting? Service manuals? How long has Jag been wired for this fail safe mode? D
How was it buying from TCD? Do they move from those list prices or are they firm? (I know, the prices are pretty good to begin with).
Did you check into their extended warranty? I asked them out of curiousity one day, but the name they gave wasn't one I'd ever heard of before, and the ballpark price wasn't cheap.
Bill: Have an opportunity to buy a 1988 XJ6 with 71K showing. The car looks good with no visible paint rework showing. Seems to run fine. Since this was prior to Ford am wondering how the reliability would be. Your usual good advice much appreciated. It's really great to have someone as knowledgeable as you offering assistance to us Jaguar lovers. Thanks again.
Great car. If its a light gold, your color combo is called Topaz and the Interior color should be Oatmeal (off-WHite).
60K service?
Change Fluids in:
Engine, Tranny, Brake System, Differential. Good idea to check diff levels every 10K or so as they do tend to seep a little on X300s. Not a worry point, but low fluid is a bad thing.
check carefully:
Belts and Hoses. In particular, check the heater hoses near the firewall carefully. I had one blow on my 95 last year, but that was at like 128K. I was too lazy to chenage them because they're a PITA. And "inspect" everything else (I.E. give it a good look-see)
Change:
Spark Plugs. A Torx socket set and a plug wrench with long extension and and 8mm socket.. and they're in. They like Champions, XJRs like Platinums.
Stereo:
Do A Line-Level Amp and really good component speaker sets like MB Quarts. Subs dont work well due to the gas tank location...
Ya know.. I remember seeing that car at the auction IIRC. Nice shape if its the one I am thinking of.
Also, Montclair (If its the car we discussed) is good about fixing them. I'd find an independent Jag mech myself who is likely to be more objective. I mean, if you take it to a competing dealer.... right?
Also, there is precious little that "breaks" on these cars....
But, do what makes ya feel comfortable... Yougot a VERY good deal.
I received the remote transmitter I purchased from www.keylessride.com in two days.The transmitter is used but in good condition.The price includes programming that is done by calling a toll free number and setting up a time for one of their Techs to call you. The tech will walk you through the programming.It only took a few minutes.If you decide to use this service, remember to set up your appointment by west coast time if you are in another time zone to avoid confusion.The company is located in California. Thanks Cediadude for recommending this web site.
For the honest advice. Will just keep on looking. Although I ran across a 1995 XJ12 that was in an estate sale and seemed excellent, but had been sold before I could arrange to have it checked out. Again, thanks for the invaluable advice. BTW how were the '95 12's for reliability etc.?
www.motorcarsltd.com also has the remote transmitter key fobs. They sell new ones for approx. $60. Nice folks, and they have a complete line of Jaguar replacement parts and accessories, as well.
2 days later and I'm back! Thanks, guys, for all of your conjecturing. Apparently, this fine machine is so advanced that it has fixed itself. The service manual information from alldata indicates that this was 'redundancy mode'. I wonder, though, that since the check engine light for OBD does not illuminate, whether there are no stored codes for this fault. I don't think so. Absolutely ZERO drivability quirks, etc. I like to think of it as an anomoly. I cancelled the service appt and will ride it out. Hopefully, I can get my own diagnostic reader before this crops up again. Assemble my own manal and do my own maintenance.
To rbrenton: I really liked the experience with TDC. No hassle, no pressure, feel free to look, drive, check it all you want. When I found THE one, no problem to replace the cd player in the trunk and put in new floormats. Only blemishes on the car, couple of small clearcoat nicks near the fuel door and hood leaper, small one or two on driver door, partially torn away left front underbonnet (know where I can get one?), almost unnoticeable to the untrained eye. Also, left rear heated seat switch inop, left rear window switch bulb doesn't illuminate. I think I went through this one with a fine tooth comb and figured I could fix that stuff. Tires are a little on the slim end, and they wouldn't throw on a new set, wouldn't budge on the price, either. At that time, still, I thought I was getting a great deal. Every day I still think so as well, even if you were to tell me I shouldda paid 1500 less or whatever. After driving this for several months, I could care less if I paid 1500 more! In fact, this car is So COOL, I should just go back up there and throw another 1500 at 'em for good measure! I passed on the warranty they offered, didn't think I could deal with all of the exclusions. Plan to get one from my bank, maybe, or just gamble. But TDC moves a lot of those cars, and I think that any of them are a great deal, so just eye one a grab it. I mean, how long do you wanna wait? I drooled around there for months. These late model Jags are not your daddy's lemons anyway, and there a bound to be a couple of little things. He who hesitates is lost. I watched a few roll through that warehouse that maybe I couldda got, shouldda got, missed 'em. Mine? Who knows if the thing's pistons pop right out in 300 miles, right through the hood in a fireworks display worthy of the national mall on the 4th of JuuuuuuLY!?? Or the hood, in defiance of structure, nature and physics, flies up leaper-high-backward into my windscreen at 72 mph, like a NASCAR Saturday and impales itself with just the cat stuck into the sunroof panel? I'll put in a new motor, find a new hood, salvage that cat, eat the cost.....i don't care. I love every little thing about owning this car, and the rest is just life. I bought it, I'm waist-high wading in the clear cool Chena River, so clear you can see through it, and you just go ahead a bend down and drink it. How many out there have ever been to a place where you can actually drink water from a river, or from a spring, bubbling out of the ground? Into it now, and I'll never let myself feel 'stuck'. If you haven't had one, then you don't know how it feels to drive one. Smooth, sleek, sexy, comfortable, pampered, luxurious, ostentatious, decadent, a little wicked. And that's just the physics of it. Not to mention to become the object of lustful stares of both men (for the car) and women(for the man and the car?). Just get it, already. You don't know what you're missing.
Anyone know of a product to create an "instant new seat appearance" for our lovely Connelly leather seats on the XJ8 VDP we just bought? The driver's side seat is slightly worn - I suppose I could have it dyed but I'm looking for another alternative before I go that route. If I have it dyed, any cautions/considerations I should be aware of?
Derel2, I wasn't aware the keychains were used, I don't think it says that on their website. Glad it seemed to work out, however...
You're on the West Coast too, where prices for these cars are highest.
I think that is a $54-55K car at the auction out there. So they prolly have $56K in it easy.
I could sell that car tomorrow for $60K without even trying. So, I think that you can try them at $58-59K, but I wouldnt be shocked if they wanted $65K. a realistic and doable retail price is about $60-61K or so I should think.
Call em and see what they want tho.... See what they say. It didnt show to sell at auction recently, so they may have had it a little while.
Yesterday I noticed that the power driver seat on my 1997 Vanden Plas started reclining when the key is removed--not the normal seat moves back to allow you to exit--we're talking ALL THE WAY BACK. Anyone ever hear of anything like this happening before or know what may be causing it to happen?
Comments
ASC works OK... TRAC works better. TRAC also comes with heated seats and is a lot nicer
Especially where it gets cold!
ASC is ALWAYS standard on V8 cars. TRAC adds the ability of the system to ALSO use the brakes to control wheelspin. ASC works a lot like TRAC in a 95-97 car in reality (Having driven both in the snow on identical tires.. A 95-97 without it is a bit tricky without snows in the white powder..)
Bill
PS.. got yer mail.. talk to ya tomorrow
Jaguar's Special Vehicule Operations
http://www.classicvilla.de/uk/magazine/3200.asp?id=10496
:-)
To program one for an X300 (What you have):
Key in ignition, ignition on, trunk open, driver's door open. Engine NOT running.
Pop center console cover. Hit "Valet" switch 3 or 5 times (I forget which off the top of my head)
Car will make a high pitched chirp. Hit the lock button on the remote. Car will chirp once. (You can program more if you need to..).
Wait a few secs, car will chirp 3 times. Done.
Pricing? Find one on eBay for $30-40.
I forget the frequencies... Dealer ought to know, but 95s are only one frequency, that I know.
Bill
I'm not affiliated. But, I've bought a few things from them, and it's always a good experience.
BTW, the Jaguar list price is $61. The dealers must have been including some sort of "programming" charge in there, or something.
I am biting at the bit waiting for good weather in sunny MN. My baby has been in storage since Thanksgiving and am waiting for the snow to quit and melt before I take her out. We have lots of sand and junk on the freeways and don't like to take her out until they clean it up this month. Unfortunately, we received 8 inches at the beginning of the week, so I have a couple more weeks to go.
Still log in every day though to see whats going on. Don't have much to say but enjoy staying connected. Take care all.
the radio needs a code before it will recognize
my voice. The phone will work if I dial from the
phone key pad.
Thanks in Advance
10W40 WInter/Cold
I would gather that therein lies the problem...applies to the AJ6,NOT the AJ16 engine.
Bill
I forget on the phone, see if local dealer can order you the manual for it. Its well worth having/needed.
Navi? XJ8 Navi systems suck. If you need it, (Retrofit would be outrageously expensive) get an aftermarket DVD-Rom system.
Bill
Also, if I buy new has the nav system gotten any better from what I read here?
at any rate i have a couple of questions.
1) where can i find a list of when and what the scheduled maintenances are for this car...was something supposed to be done at 60,000...i'm not sure if it was or not...or what i should be looking for...
2) has anybody found a good sound system upgrade for this car? i'd like to leave the jaguar radio in, cause i like the stock look...but anybody upgrade with amps or speakers and get a great result? whatdja use?
i'm still giddy.
Gawd, I LUUUUV this car. I picked it up a few months ago from texascarsdirect, since I live in Dallas. I had spent over a year talking about getting one, read everything I could find, including this board, weekly trips to the tcd warehouse, watching beauties come and go, until I just put my hands on this one at 50k miles and 22k price.
Driving home, I couldn't believe why I had waited so long to jump on such great deals.
After 6k wonderful miles in this Topaz/Oatmeal gem, the enjy of friends, colleagues, and some of my superiors, on the way home in traffic, nothing unusual, the amber Failsafe Engine Mode illuminated, and the cruise control disconnect (light out).
After sitting, the system starts fine, but after a few minutes, same deal.
No drivability symptons, no strange noises emanating, nothing unusual. Believe me, I am a car guy that is used to doing my own work. I've swapped engines in less than a day, kept a mustang convertible going for 180k (still have it) and more.
Before I get in to the dealer, since I am just out of warranty, can anyone describe to me the systems monitored/controlled by this circuit and maybe whaty kind of problems I might expect? Or is it a bad sensor maybe?
I can't believe I could get this warning with absolutely zero audible/visible/noticeable symptoms.
Still soooo happy with this premier machine. The stereo HK system is flawless, everything is almost flawless......Life is Sweet.
As for your question .... tried with the forums at Jag-Lovers.org !?? There's a few others out there but I've found those to be quite ... educating ... to say the least :-)
Had to tell somebody... just bought myself a '98 VDP, black with oatmeal interior for just south of $25K with 50K miles on her. Got traction, heated seats, CD - the works. Got all the service records, well maintained - hopefully won't turn out to be a lemon. The dealer (purchased from an out of state Jag dealer) offers a 3 day, 150 mile money back guarantee. They've already run it through their own shop, found about $600 worth of things to fix ($600 doesn't seem to fix very much at $85/hr) and lo and behold, have pronounced it "beautiful". My question is this - should I spend the $125 and have my local Jag dealer inspect it as well? Seems silly not to, but my wife insists I am demonstrating how untrusting a person I am. As for me, I think I'm demonstrating how much I know it will hurt later if they end up finding something obvious AFTER the 3 day money back guarantee. Thoughts from the peanut gallery please....
:-)
I was all over the jag-lovers archived discussions, found on mention from 00, and one in this board from 01. Mentioned that a mech said the 'throttle' needed cleaning. What throttle on the 4.0? Like I said before, I have a lot of grease under my fingernails, but now don't really feel like busting knuckles. I figure I saved a bunch when I bought, a few bucks into service and I'm basically even?
I mean, this is a spectacular car. The power just is still a surprise sometimes to me. And, unless they try to tell me that 'she needs uh new cam and some pistons!', I think I'll give Overseas Motors in Dallas the benefit of the doubt.
At least it isn't DOA.
I still like to just look at it sometimes. Driving it is such a pleasure. I have the Mustang, like I said, and now the wife drives the Montero SR. I'm tired of the whole SUV thing, and that was the one she wanted anyway. Wife wass the one that kept encouraging me to get the Jag, to treat myself, because 'you deserve it'. And she doesn't beg me to let her drive it!
Just once or twice has she even mentioned it. I think she wanted to have something just for me.
So, any thoughts out there about the Fail Safe Mode? Troubleshooting? Service manuals?
How long has Jag been wired for this fail safe mode?
D
Did you check into their extended warranty? I asked them out of curiousity one day, but the name they gave wasn't one I'd ever heard of before, and the ballpark price wasn't cheap.
Wonderful cars! Make excellent planters or Boat Anchors.
I wouldnt want to use one for Transportation though.
88s and 89s are best avoided as a rule. I just picked up an 89 for Inventory, first one since.. sheesh... Late 2000?
Good ones are so rare that you are just much better off going to a 1990+
Bill
They pop up on eBay about once a Month or so. Depends where you are really.. but they are not easy to find, but worth the hunt.
Bill
IMO, go with the Jag mats....Should not cost more than 110 or so and they fit and look nice.
Get a number from your local dealer, but if they're "on the pipe" pricewise, check www.jagbits.com or www.coventrywest.com or www.welshent.com
Bill
Annually. Friend/Customer of mine just got a new one for his S-Type.
Bill
Great car. If its a light gold, your color combo is called Topaz and the Interior color should be Oatmeal (off-WHite).
60K service?
Change Fluids in:
Engine, Tranny, Brake System, Differential. Good idea to check diff levels every 10K or so as they do tend to seep a little on X300s. Not a worry point, but low fluid is a bad thing.
check carefully:
Belts and Hoses. In particular, check the heater hoses near the firewall carefully. I had one blow on my 95 last year, but that was at like 128K. I was too lazy to chenage them because they're a PITA.
And "inspect" everything else (I.E. give it a good look-see)
Change:
Spark Plugs. A Torx socket set and a plug wrench with long extension and and 8mm socket.. and they're in. They like Champions, XJRs like Platinums.
Stereo:
Do A Line-Level Amp and really good component speaker sets like MB Quarts. Subs dont work well due to the gas tank location...
Hope this helps!
Bill
If it only happens when you start moving, could be some kind of vehicle speed sensor...
Bill
Ya know.. I remember seeing that car at the auction IIRC. Nice shape if its the one I am thinking of.
Also, Montclair (If its the car we discussed) is good about fixing them. I'd find an independent Jag mech myself who is likely to be more objective. I mean, if you take it to a competing dealer.... right?
Also, there is precious little that "breaks" on these cars....
But, do what makes ya feel comfortable... Yougot a VERY good deal.
Bill
Done!
Bill
Mike
anyone know how or where to get a wood steering wheel for my 1996 xj6?
thanks again and again and again...
Thanks, guys, for all of your conjecturing. Apparently, this fine machine is so advanced that it has fixed itself.
The service manual information from alldata indicates that this was 'redundancy mode'. I wonder, though, that since the check engine light for OBD does not illuminate, whether there are no stored codes for this fault. I don't think so. Absolutely ZERO drivability quirks, etc.
I like to think of it as an anomoly. I cancelled the service appt and will ride it out. Hopefully, I can get my own diagnostic reader before this crops up again. Assemble my own manal and do my own maintenance.
To rbrenton: I really liked the experience with TDC. No hassle, no pressure, feel free to look, drive, check it all you want. When I found THE one, no problem to replace the cd player in the trunk and put in new floormats. Only blemishes on the car, couple of small clearcoat nicks near the fuel door and hood leaper, small one or two on driver door, partially torn away left front underbonnet (know where I can get one?), almost unnoticeable to the untrained eye.
Also, left rear heated seat switch inop, left rear window switch bulb doesn't illuminate. I think I went through this one with a fine tooth comb and figured I could fix that stuff.
Tires are a little on the slim end, and they wouldn't throw on a new set, wouldn't budge on the price, either. At that time, still, I thought I was getting a great deal. Every day I still think so as well, even if you were to tell me I shouldda paid 1500 less or whatever. After driving this for several months, I could care less if I paid 1500 more! In fact, this car is So COOL, I should just go back up there and throw another 1500 at 'em for good measure!
I passed on the warranty they offered, didn't think I could deal with all of the exclusions. Plan to get one from my bank, maybe, or just gamble.
But TDC moves a lot of those cars, and I think that any of them are a great deal, so just eye one a grab it. I mean, how long do you wanna wait? I drooled around there for months. These late model Jags are not your daddy's lemons anyway, and there a bound to be a couple of little things. He who hesitates is lost. I watched a few roll through that warehouse that maybe I couldda got, shouldda got, missed 'em.
Mine? Who knows if the thing's pistons pop right out in 300 miles, right through the hood in a fireworks display worthy of the national mall on the 4th of JuuuuuuLY!?? Or the hood, in defiance of structure, nature and physics, flies up leaper-high-backward into my windscreen at 72 mph, like a NASCAR Saturday and impales itself with just the cat stuck into the sunroof panel? I'll put in a new motor, find a new hood, salvage that cat, eat the cost.....i don't care.
I love every little thing about owning this car, and the rest is just life. I bought it, I'm waist-high wading in the clear cool Chena River, so clear you can see through it, and you just go ahead a bend down and drink it. How many out there have ever been to a place where you can actually drink water from a river, or from a spring, bubbling out of the ground? Into it now, and I'll never let myself feel 'stuck'.
If you haven't had one, then you don't know how it feels to drive one. Smooth, sleek, sexy, comfortable, pampered, luxurious, ostentatious, decadent, a little wicked. And that's just the physics of it. Not to mention to become the object of lustful stares of both men (for the car) and women(for the man and the car?).
Just get it, already. You don't know what you're missing.
Derel2, I wasn't aware the keychains were used, I don't think it says that on their website. Glad it seemed to work out, however...
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They do exist.
They pop up on eBay about once a Month or so. Depends where you are really.. but they are not easy to find, but worth the hunt.
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They do exist.
They pop up on eBay about once a Month or so. Depends where you are really.. but they are not easy to find, but worth the hunt.
You can try redying it but that wont last forever. but Gary is right. Talk to Kristi at leatherique. Great stuff that is...
Bill
You're on the West Coast too, where prices for these cars are highest.
I think that is a $54-55K car at the auction out there. So they prolly have $56K in it easy.
I could sell that car tomorrow for $60K without even trying. So, I think that you can try them at $58-59K, but I wouldnt be shocked if they wanted $65K. a realistic and doable retail price is about $60-61K or so I should think.
Call em and see what they want tho.... See what they say. It didnt show to sell at auction recently, so they may have had it a little while.
Bill