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Mazda Protege5

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  • davidb72davidb72 Posts: 174
    I guess I may have sounded a little less than politically correct in that post, but it gets on my nerves to hear over and again how much better foreign (any) cars are. The way the global economy is now it is very hard to find a car that is "American" or "Japanese". I have a Miata, it's great, very reliable, very nimble, etc... I have a Ranger, it's great, very reliable, able to carry large objects... I suppose there are unreliable cars from everywhere, but besides Chrysler (J/K, LOL, flameproof suit on...) I don't think American cars are that much worse than foreign cars any more. I don't think a P5 is in my future, if and when my Ranger dies I'll probably look at whatever version Subaru WRX is available or maybe an Audi A4. Good luck and have a nice day.
  • pro5girliepro5girlie Posts: 20
    If anyone is willing to try it out, please let me know how the roof rack thing goes. Maybe I'll head down to the dealer and have them try it on a lot car. It can't be that hard, right? :)
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Wait for the ZX5 to come out in the fall. Then you can make a fairer comparison. The ZX5 will have 5 doors. Then again, given the service issues with Focus and Escape, you might not want to be the first to own one. Good Luck!
  • kchandydogkchandydog Posts: 10
    You work for Mazda? I write a post indicating my opinion that there a lot of very good cars that could be purchased for about the price of P5 and you respond that I must be referring to go-karts. I'm sorry, but for the same price as a P5, you could buy an Acura Integra LS 2-door coup/hatch with ABS(according to Edmunds TMV). The Integra is not what I would consider a go-cart. It equals or exceeds the P5 in build quality, mechanics and performance. It does have some trade-offs, such as only two doors and a tight rear seat, but if you do not need to use the rear seat a lot, it might be something to look at. Similarly, there are a lot of four door sedans that would compare favorably to a P5, if you were willing to do without a hatch back.

    Also, I get real tired of people suggesting that there is something about the character of people in certain countries that results in the production of superior or inferior cars. The quality of cars being produced has everything to do with a manufacturer's commitment to superior design and quality control, and nothing to do with the nationality of the person screwing bolts on the thing.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    ZX5 = ZX3 + 2 doors.
    It won't have any first-year-model problems since the ZX3 is entering its 3rd year of production without any significant change.
  • estoesto Posts: 136
    How about the P5 vs. 2002 Subaru Impreza TS Wagon? The TS is cheaper, has 4 doors plus hatch/wagon-back, has more cargo room than the P5, has 165 horses, all wheel drive (you can't even get traction control as an option on the P5), ABS, etc.

    Erik
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    "Also, I get real tired of people suggesting that there is something about the character of people in certain countries that results in the production of superior or inferior cars. The quality of cars being produced has everything to do with a manufacturer's commitment to superior design and quality control, and nothing to do with the nationality of the person screwing bolts on the thing."
    Would you please point me to some posts where someone actually claimed that the reason Japanese cars are better built, more reliable, etc is that the Japanese are born to build cars better, it's in their blood etc? As has been mentioned before, many "Japanese" cars (not Mitsubishi) built in North America are of high quality. I would like to see a US manufacturer doing the same thing.
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    "I suppose there are unreliable cars from everywhere, but besides Chrysler (J/K, LOL, flameproof suit on...) I don't think American cars are that much worse than foreign cars any more."
    Well, what if a Dodge Ram owner tells you his truck has 200K miles with 0 problems, will you change your mind about Chrysler's quality?
    You want a Subaru WRX or an Audi A4? Why? What's wrong with a Mustang V6 Coupe beside having no AWD and only 2 doors? Or get a Mustang GT.
  • davidb72davidb72 Posts: 174
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    "As has been mentioned before, many "Japanese" cars (not Mitsubishi) built in North America are of high quality. I would like to see a US manufacturer doing the same thing."

    I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if Ford put a plant in Japan they would turn out good cars, so that kind of shoots your theory! LOL!!!! One thing you have to realize, and I am being serious now, is that Japanese do NOT buy American cars, Koreans do not buy American cars, Europeans do not buy American cars. Americans are the only ones that seem to be happy with American cars, they are designed and tailored to our wants and needs. It would be nice if some American companies could sell more cars overseas, but they can't no matter how hard they try.

    Back to non-serious now... I'll bet the Japanese can build such good cars because they have such cute little dextrous hands! That was just a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • davidb72davidb72 Posts: 174
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    " 'I suppose there are unreliable cars from everywhere, but besides Chrysler (J/K, LOL, flameproof suit on...) I don't think American cars are that much worse than foreign cars any more.'
    Well, what if a Dodge Ram owner tells you his truck has 200K miles with 0 problems, will you change your mind about Chrysler's quality?"

    Did you not see the "(J/K, LOL, flameproof suit on...)" in that post? Try to lighten up a little bit, or I may have to start ignoring you!

    As far as my next vehicle choice, I guess I'm wrong about the WRX or the A4, why don't you tell me what I want.
  • American Cars in Japan. I actually saw a few dozen when I was there in 1998. Mostly Buicks and Cadillacs and even one Chrysler Concorde! There were two hip guys in a Grand Wagoneer (the big old one) driving through the electronics district of Tokyo.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    American cars purchased overseas are usually bought as status symbols. Most people outside of the USA and Canada don't have the luxury of wide roads and big parking spaces (this can be argued in some urban areas).

    The typical European or Japanese consumer lives in a highly urbanized area. Fuel also costs 2-3X as much as here. Whatever parking exists is pretty tight. Thus, most of them choose something that is usually smaller and more economical than what is usually designed in the US. What small cars US companies do offer usually don't stack up well against the native offerings. There is still some nationalistic leanings (same as here), but they feel the bottom line ($$$ value) as we do, so if they have a compelling choice, they WILL choose it.

    What US-designed cars I've seen are usually the larger (think Crown Vic) ones, purchased by those who want to flaunt their affluence ("see how much money I can waste on fuel and space"...kind of akin to the seeming US affinity for ever-larger gas-guzzling SUVs when most hardly ever go off-road or haul more than can be handled with either a station wagon or a moderately-sized minivan).

    It's just like anything else. If your product fits the needs and desires of the consumer (and there aren't any glaring faults), they will at least consider purchasing it.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Let's get back to the P5. I'm still interested in learning from the proud new owners, especially about audio upgrades and how to remove/reinstall the roof rack (how much of a bother is it?). Also would like to hear opinions on how useful its cargo space is compared to the sedan's.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    How's the reception with the stubby antenna? Any problems with the antenna getting in the way of roof-mounted cargo?

    Another hatch-related question: how's refilling the washer fluid for the rear? I wasn't able to find it when I checked out a P5 at a local dealer.

    Also, does Mazda yet offer kits for the roof rack to carry bicycles or skis?
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    The Impreza TS wagon is decontented compared to the P5. Right down to the rear brakes which are DRUMS on the Subaru.

    Of course, it DOES have AWD... and that's a lot if you need it. But even living here in VT, I don't. A FWD with snows will take me anywhere I need to go safely and securely in winter.

    Also, it's only a couple hundred dollars cheaper, it's almost 400lbs. heavier, and the added driveline loss of the AWD means it's no faster despite having 35 more horsepower.

    Still, if you need/want AWD, it's about your only choice. :-)
  • tmundartmundar Posts: 70
    From your responses to hkchan, it doesn't look like you read his messages thoroughly.

    "I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if Ford put a plant in Japan they would turn out good cars, so that kind of shoots your theory!"

    Actually, if you reread hkchan's message, he stated that the country of manufacture has little to do with the quality of the car. He stated that many Japanese cars are built in the U.S. and retain their high quality, so therefore, just building a factory in Japan wouldn't make Ford cars any better, since Japanese cars built in the U.S. are not any worse.

    "Did you not see the "(J/K, LOL, flameproof suit on...)" in that post? Try to lighten up a little bit, or I may have to start ignoring you!"

    I am sure he did read that line. He wasn't flaming you, he was refuting your argument that Ford builds reliable cars just because *your* Ford has had no problems with 115K miles. He was using your argument against you, just like you using the phrase "I may have to start ignoring you" against the people who threatened to ignore you.

    "As far as my next vehicle choice, I guess I'm wrong about the WRX or the A4, why don't you tell me what I want."

    This was another example of hkchan using your own argument against you. You chimed in in support of cross shopping the Ford Mustang on the Protege5 board, and he was asking why you were not cross shopping the Mustang with you car choices. Someone shopping for the Protege5 is more likely to also look at the WRX or the A4 before they would consider a Mustang.

    Someone shopping for a Protege5 has no interest in a Mustang. Just because the demographics are the same doesn't mean that a "young male" shopping for a Protege5 has any interest in a Mustang and vise versa. Once I reach middle age, am I supposed to suddenly like Buicks and Lincoln Town Cars because I move into their target demographic? I would probably slit my wrists before voluntarily driving one of those mushmobiles.

    Please, don't get defensive. When someone is defensive, they tend to overreact and usually make themselves look worse. I know this from experience. :) I am not trying to attack you, I am just trying to point out how you misunderstood hkchan's posts. Sometimes you read what you want out of a message, instead of reading what is really there.

    Respectfully,
    Tom

    P.S. This is unrelated to davidb72. I don't like American cars because they choose to not make anything I like. Most of the American cars that I might be interested in do not come with a manual transmission, so they are automatically disqualified from the cars that I am considering. Reliability has nothing to do with it. None of the cars I own is manufactured by a company renowned for their reliability.
  • onboost91onboost91 Posts: 86
    In case anyone is interesed I bought a P5 about two weeks ago. I posted a quick preliminary view on it on carreview.com under the compact cars/protege grouping. I messed up the review a little in that I put two strengths in the weakness area. Anyhow I haven't even finished breaking the engine in but so far I thoroughly enjoy it.
    Things to note about my review is that I mention that highway passing power is a bit limited but I think that can mostly be attributed to the fact that its an auto and has an inherent delay (low end is great however). I think the manuals will accelerate quite nicely.
    My only additional complaints so far are that the arm rest isn't really usable since its small and set back and that there is no remote trunk release. One thing to note is that the roof rack does not interfere with the sunroof in the slightest (except for creating more wind noise). Also be warned, the user manual states that you shouldn't put the Protege5 through an automatic car wash with the roof rack on or it may be damaged. Judging by the roof rack instructions (especially the putting it back on) I would expect that if you buy it you should probably expect to hand wash it.
    -Mark
  • great review, and congrats on your new ride. Please let us know if you try taking the roof rack off. How you physically do this, any difference in wind noise, etc.. BTW: what color did you get?
    -Mark
  • on www.carreview.com, the mazda protege is the highest ranked midsize/compact. right along side the acura integra, nissan maxima, toyota avalon and audi a4.. way to go Mazda!! Zoom zZoom
  • onboost91onboost91 Posts: 86
    My P5 is Silver and I certainly don't plan on taking the roof rack off any time soon.
    -Mark
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Surely you can use a "touchless" one. I can see where those car washes with the long, wet chamois or whirling brushes might be an issue though. Frankly, you shouldn't use those kind anyway... very harsh and can easily scratch your paint.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Those of you who have them, how is your mileage? Auto or manual? I'd expect a bit more wind resistance than the sedan, and with the extra weight, maybe a bit less mpg?
  • iamziamz Posts: 542
    I don't have my P5 yet so I can't check this theory out, but has anyone tried reverse engineering the roof rack by studying the underside of the filler plates. There should be some clue on the filler plates relating to how they mount in place of the rack. Good luck.

    Also, "Mazdafun" had a good question relating to the little bee stinger antenna. Can the antenna retract or fold down flatter if I want to haul a sheet of plywood home?

    If the antenna is anything like the one on my old VW Corrado, it won't be adjustable.

    -Terry
  • I think you can twist off the antenna.. not sure.. my p5 didn't come in yet either :)

    -Mark
  • nomiosnomios Posts: 6
    I took my rack off to see what it looked like. Its not hard. You need a philips screwdriver and a cresent wrench or sockets. The front one is the easiest. Just look where they attach to the roof. You will see two screws (If you are short, get a chair so you can look down on rack from above. You will see these screws) that will need to come out. This will enable you to remove cover(two pieces), and will reveal a bolt. Just take those cover pieces off, remove bolt and your done. Then plugs just snap in.

    The rear is a little differnt. Remove the cover the same way. I think the rear has the main bolt, and two more screws to take out. Then slide the washer the bolt was in out of the railing. The plugs will snap right in.

    I thought it looked ok without them, but it would look super cool if instead of putting plugs in them, the black rails were gone altogeather. Maybe the rack should have been an option. Sometimes its nice to have a choice. I ended up putting mine back on...the black rails just look out of place without the rack attached.

    The antenna just screws out of its base. If it was ever standing in the way of putting cargo on the roof, it can easily be taken off.
  • tocantocan Posts: 118
    At first I was disappointed, now I am glad that the roof rack was an option in Canada.

    Nomi
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    That's one of the two reasons I'm lusting after the P5, even though I'm happy enough with my sedan. The other is the hatch that makes the cargo space much more usable.

    Most after-market roof racks look out of place. The stock rack is nicely integrated and feels quite substantial. Aftermarkets also compromise the integrity of the weatherstripping (as they usually hook between the top edge of your door and the roof).

    I want it mostly to haul my bicycle around, but it can come in handy for hauling plywood and drywall. And no, I don't want a truck, SUV or minivan. I don't like how they handle (or don't). Once you've used the rack, you'll appreciate it. It sounds easy enough to remove it (might be too easy...if you've got stick-fingered people around). I think they're ABS/PC, so should take paint easily if you want to do that.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Most of the wind noise from roof racks is cause by the horizontal bars that go across and connect the rails.

    Can these be removed easily on the Pro5? That would just leave the rails running the length of the roof and should be a lot quieter.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Removing the roof rack sounds pretty easy. Now it seems we'll need some sort of lock to keep them from disappearing! ;)

    Also, thanks for checking the antenna. Hope the parts department at my local dealer stocks those, just in case I forget to remove it before loading drywall onto the rack.

    Of course, I have to get a P5 first. :) Still working on that...I have to convince my wife to get one herself or accept my 99 Pro as a hand-me-down to replace her 91 Saturn SL2 so I can get one.
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    I just got our new Protege5 last night, black, auto, ABS, moonroof, perimeter alarm for $200 below MSRP and 4.9% APR from Mazda. We were looking for a used '98 Millenia before, then I took my wife to see the Pro5 and she fell in love with it.
    My first impression of the car is that it's very well built, very high quality; maybe even better than my 2000 Millenia S. Love the sound of the door closing, very solid. Also love the look of the car; very aggressive and clean. The Mazda dealership that we got this from also sells Subaru. I showed my wife the Impreza wagon and her reaction was "Eiuuuuuuuuu; ugly butt"; enough said.
    More to come as we drives the car more. Planning to take our Golden Retriever to beach this weekend, we'll see how she fits in the hatch area of the car.
    BTW, anyone knows how to set the perimeter alarms so that it's not too sensitive?.

    zoom,zoom
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