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Sounds high to me. My 2002 P5 takes under a minute to get to start idling around 700 revs. Do you have it serviced regularly?
I speak from experence and alot of farting around on this problem my dealer was unable to figure out the problem because it was intermitent. This is harmfull to your engine .
The Protege's EGR problem is pretty well known by now, so most dealerships should be able to figure this out. My dealer rep diagnosed it in 10 seconds when I described the condition. His words "oh, another EGR valve ..."
Well, after my post of December 2, things got worse. When slowing down, the car would surge between 36 & 39 MPH as well as around 15 to 20 MPH. , I made the dealership give me a free loaner car.(the service guy wanted me to pay $30.00 a day for the loaner.) Enough of this sitting around wasting my Saturday as if I have nothing else to do! I brought the car in on December 11th, got it back on December 15th. What was it? It turned out to be the EGR valve after all. (or so they thought - see below) At first they eliminated it, then looked at it and realized how full of junk it was. So, it was replaced to the tune of about $500.
Well, I have been driving the car ever since. Do you think it is ok? NO! Christmas Eve day I am driving home. I feel the car hesitate then the "orange light of death" comes on (The check engine light). I dropped off the car on Wednesday after work.
Current Status: They know it is misfiring again - they just are not sure why. On the way to the dealership, I felt the car shudder, not hesitate, like I lost 2 cylinders.
Anyone have any clues on this? I need this car to be worth something for trade in!
Thanks.
Happy Holidays!!
Dave
At the time, the light issue as well as the hesitation was intermittent.
Please check posting 1179 from me with an update as to what is going on.
Thanks.
Dave
P0113 - Intake Air Temp Sensor 1 Circuit High Input
P0118 - Engine Coolant Temp Circuit High Input
P0123 - Throttle / Pedal Position Sensor A Circuit High Input
OMG - I am having the SAME exact problem! AND I wasn't the only one - they had looked at two other proteges with the same problems yesterday. They have been able to tell me one thing though - my cat converter is toast! Because this seems to be such a huge issue, you would think that Mazda would/should be doing something about this! I had my code read 6 weeks ago - I can't help but wonder if the techs had been given the information they needed to remedy this issue if the failure of my converter could have been prevented - I'm looking at a HUGE repair bill. I wish you the best of luck in getting your dreaded orange light issue resolved....
Regular (i.e. 87)
I will keep everyone posted.
Thanks.
Dave
Another reason for carbon build up is lots of short trips where the engine doesn't fully heat up and burn off the carbon deposits.
I commute roughly 90 miles round trip every day to work during the winter. In the summer I'm mostly on motorcycles so the car sits until the weekends when I need to get groceries which is not a long trip. I do get her out every other weekend for a longer drive though, so that probably helps.
Maybe I've just been lucky so far with 116,000 miles (186,000 km). I better start crossing my fingers.
Thanks SO much for the update! Were they finally able to get a specific code that prompted them to replace the coils? Or are they just trying this because they've run out of other options? I guess I'm still a bit confused as to how the whole "code" thing works - doesn't it make sense that the computer should have told them that to begin with? Funny thing is, when I first started having this problem I had my son's friend, who is a mechanic at a toyota dealership, take a look at it and he was pretty sure it was one of the coils but because he couldn't get it to repeat the behavior he couldn't be sure & didn't want to have me have to spend the money to replace both if that wasn't the problem! Because my car broke down at work & I work two hours away from home I had to take it to a dealership that I've never dealt with in the past & so far I don't have a lot of faith in them. As of yesterday afternoon they still couldn't tell me anything except that they are continuing to run tests, etc. Long story short, I'm picking the car up today & taking it to my own dealer who I know & trust AND who will be willing to listen to what I've learned from you! I appreciate your keeping us updated & will keep you posted. Thanks Again - Debbi
Debbi
Alternate theories:
1) Cold climates affect the proper exhausting of gases via the EGR.
2) Running excessive speeds overwhelms the EGR. Typically, I average 70 mpg, speed up to 75 for passing and occasionally reach 80 mph. I don't think this qualifies as excessive speed.
3) Some people are lucky, others not.
Just a theory as far as I know.
Does anyone know how hard it is to replace it myself. I can see it under the throttle body but not sure if i would have to take that off after the air intake system which i know i have to off.
Any help or advice on replacing it would be great.Thanks
Does anyone know how hard it is to replace it myself. I can see it under the throttle body but not sure if i would have to take that off after the air intake system which i know i have to off. Any help or advice on replacing it would be great
Why not call your local Mazda dealer and ask them for a quote? That should tell you how much the part costs and how much time is involved. I had mine replaced by the dealership and it was quite pricey. I have read though that it is not difficult. On the other hand, you may decide that it's worth paying someone else to get their hands dirty.
I got a new cat with install for 400.00 and i replaced the coils, plugs and wires myself for $75.00 took 5 minutes.
How much is the part?
Are they giving you a tune up and a new coil? ...replacing plugs and wires kind of sounds like it. But if one of your plugs is arching, you better. Not sure how that can hose up your cat. converter. I know when the light was flashing one time, I was in Stop & Go traffic on the freeway going about 5 or 10 MPH. While the car was still rolling, I turned off the car and restarted it just to try and get the light to stop flashing just because I couldn't get over to a shoulder to turn off the car. Another time I pulled over to the side and jammed on the brakes and created a cloud of dust just so I could stop quickly and turn off the car!
In terms of who should do the work, I would try and stay with the dealer only because an independent garage i have found in the past might adjust things a bit differently. Plus, it may also show loyalty to them which may come in handy if you need a loaner car. The last trip, I needed a loaner for 2 or 3 days.
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But we also had the dealership do it so that if the darn light kept coming back on, we had some type of recourse. I was able to get a loaner car (which they usually charge $30 / day) for free. The replacing of the coils from one Mazda into my wife's was done for free. Between the two trips, the car was in for about 6 days total. At first, the advisor was going to charge me, but I talked to the service manager that my car has been back quite a few times for the same issue and to make me pay for a loaner under these circumstances was not fair.
My call - let the dealership do it. If something goes bad, at least you have recourse. At least you avoid getting in over your head!
Coils were $15.00 a piece off of Autozone.com/ And supper easy to replace.2 screws
I replaced both. mainly because i didnt want the same problem again.
I'm on day two with my car now and so far, so good (with the exeption of course the steady CEL due to the dead cat) - taking it to my own dealer was definately the right decision! Their final diagnosis was "Number 4 coil has signs of arcing to valve cover; Number 2 plug has signs of arcing down the side of the plug. This will cause the P0300 (random misfire) code that was stored on the 4th. This will cause the cat to fail". How the dealer I originally had the car towed to missed what appears to be obvious signs of arcing is beyond me - in fact they state in their notes that "spark plugs are worn, but good". Anyhow, the repair consisted of replacing the plugs, wires and coils - my cat still needs to be replaced as well but since it's not completely plugged and I haven't lost any power they say it can wait. Thanks again for all your posts - this is a great place to get information! Oh and by the way, at a cost of $101.13 each for the coils, you're fortunate that your dealer switched them out for you at no charge! Wishing you continued good luck with your CEL issue - Debbi
Thanks. Have you replaced the EGR already? If so, how much time did it take?
be sure to check the vacuum port going to the EGR, they tend to get clogged with carbon. And be certain all vacuum lines are hooked up when you're done - it's easy to pull one off when working on the back of the engine.
The "Mazda" plugs sold to me for my Protege5 by my dealer were also NGK. And yes, they do work well.
Glad to see that the coil issue may be resolved for you as well.
Small update - nothing since I took the car in and got it back. And by the way, my wife is enjoying my Honda Accord EX-L!
Dave
I purchased a '02 P5 57k automatic last friday from a Honda dealership.
It had a CEL when I test drove it which I was assured would be remedied before I picked it up. They thought it was spark plugs,so they replaced.
so three days later I get the CEL again along with a power loss on the interstate. I brought it back to the dealership, and to their credit, they gave me a free loaner and sent my car to a mazda dealership. All costs of this repair will be coverd by the honda dealership.
so now here's my question, mazda is saying it's a fuel pump issue so the dealership is going to replace, but of course Mazda can't say 100% that it's causing the CEL. After looking through all of the threads here, I was certain my problem was the EGR valve. My symptoms - CEL, sometimes low-idle/died once at a stoplight, and in the two days i got to drive it, seemingly poor mpg. Mazda checked EGR, said it was fine.
so, with new plugs and fuel pump, if i get the CEL again what should my next move be? Have the EGR replaced anyway? I'll have to pay for anything after this. Any advice is much appreciated. Thanks
Welcome "home" - hope you had a great vacation! I'm on day 15 now & so far, so good I've even seen an improvement in my mpg, which I'm hoping will get even better once the cats been replaced! I still have the dreaded "orange orb" glowing (due to the cat) however, no more blinking! Hoping to get the cat work done within the next week or so and looking forward to getting another great 130,000 miles out of her ! Will post an update after cat work - have a great day! Debbi
Who is telling you this?
The Honda dealership from which you purchased the P5 or the Mazda dealership that is doing the repair?
Did the car come with any warranty? Considering you bought the car last week and it died this week, if it continues to do so, I would return to the seller and say you want your money back.
I never got the codes, problem was diagnosed @ the Mazda dealership and the car was brought back to the Honda dlr all by their people. Honda dlr will be installing the fuel pump ordered from Mazda factory.
The plugs (and i belive the wires) are brand new, replaced by the honda dlr before i picked the car up originally, so if CEL were to continue I think I would go for coils first, then replace EGR.
and lastly,
car was sold "As Is" and i did not opt for the 3yr $1200 warranty they wanted to sell me,so I feel pretty fortunate that the dealership is footing the bill for all of this. (of course not a good way to start off in a new-to-me car)
so far on the dealers dime:
new set of Goodyear Eagle rs-a 205/55/r16
new plugs (and wires i think)
new complete fuel pump assembly and installation costs
loaner car for 3 days now
the guy in the service dept. was trying to impress upon me that after they installed the fuel pump (which was mazda's diagnosis) they would not be obligated to foot the bill for any repairs related to the CEL after this. I'll talk to the guy who sold me the car before I leave as he was the one who orignally promised as part of the deal the CEL would be taken care of, to see what happens if i get the CEL halfway down the block.
A full return at this point is unlikely with a trade-in and 3rd party financing involved, but never say never.
here's to hoping for the best. The pump is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I'll let you guys know how it all works out. Thanks again for your advice, keep it coming. I do love these cars and really hope this gets sorted out.
Thanks,
SCOTT