Agree with what you said. I'm loving my FX45, but since we've got an RX330 on order for my wife, we obviously like the Lexus as well. Each vehicle has its merits, and no I won't be embarrassed to drive the RX once in a while, when the three of us (wife, daughter and I) are going someplace. On my two test drives, I thought it went and handled a lot better than what I was expecting, especially with the Performance Pkg that we ordered. I'm curious, though, as to whether my perceptions will hold up, as my two test drives were about a month before I got the FX45, which I've been driving for about 6 weeks now.
For the record, I'm a RX330 owner that has posted on the distinctiveness of the FX. My wife, who loves her RX (I also really dig this vehicle--it's Blk-on-Blk and I look forward, without hesitancy, to putting it through its paces on the weekend) also likes the look of the FX (remarkable since it took her forever to come around on the look of the PT Cruiser).
I remain curious as to what the FX means to Nissan/Infiniti. So far, the sale numbers are not that strong but maybe that's ok. Certainly if you want to keep the "WOW" factor up, then you will limit the amount of vehicles you make available. But I also know there are a fair number of FXs that tend to sit on the lots--so I don't know. IMHO, marketing the FX as only a crossover SUV alternative misses the mark. I would also tout it as a "sports sedan" alternative thereby garnering interest from both SUV and car buyers.
Not a criticism of the vehicle, just the marketing strategy. But hey, what do I know?
Last night I actually checked my tire pressure--two tires at 40psi and two at 38. The info on the door does specify 32. I asked my service guy this morning and he couldn't figure out why the tires were coming overinflated other than to say that they last longer when they're inflated over the rec. I did think the FX drove better this morning, firm but less harsh. It's interesting that all those road tests in the major magazines, etc. may have been made in 35s and 45s which were running with somewhat overinflated tires--it does make somewhat of a difference.
For me, the less FX's on the road, the better. When I had my X5, it was disheartening to see so much of them on the road every day. I love it when I pass other drivers in my FX45 and glance at their dumb-founded faces.
So far, the sale numbers are not that strong but maybe that's ok. Certainly if you want to keep the "WOW" factor up, then you will limit the amount of vehicles you make available.
I think Nissan/Infiniti only targets to sell 30K units a year. I'm not sure what the target numbers are for the RX330, I'm sure it's more since it is Lexus' #1 seller. I know the MDX targets around 60K units a year and it seems that Acura is right on track to sell that much.
The RX, MDX, and X5 are all me-too SUV's that litter the road these days. I don't care if they sell a zillion of these, the FX has the style, performance, and luxury to put it in a class all its own. I'm glad Infiniti is limiting the numbers of these fine cars.....the distinctiveness and exclusivity is one of the reasons why I bought my FX.
as psb1013 states above are 2 big reasons why this car was so appealing to me (in addition to performance, quality, tech features, etc.). Interesting experience this evening with it...while I was pumping fuel, I noticed I had a screw embedded in my right front tire. I took it to a local Pep Boys to pull it out, and patch if necessary, and you should have seen the swarm of mechanics checking out the car as it pulled into the garage! This car has an awful lot of charisma.
The RX330 is a fine vehicle, and I agree, that the handling is better than what I expected also. There's no doubt there will be alot of them on the roads, which is one of the things I didn't like about the vehicle. I'm curious if you looked at the GX470 also...I was actually pretty disappointed in it (and it was my odds on favorite going in after having 3 consecutive Lexus vehicles).
ALBDOC: Glad you are not trying to disrespect the FX and agree with you on keeping this board honest . I admit I read this board before I bought the FX45 and respected everyone's opinion .
PSB1013: I also enjoy the distinctiveness and exclusiveness of the FX. Owned a 3 Series BMW before and just like the X5 I saw more and more on the road as the WEEKS went by. Finally, got fed up when I saw teenagers driving the car. Thought of buying the '03 M3 but felt the same thing will happen (Salesman at local BMW dealership agreed and tried to sell me a M5, to much $$$ for me.). FX was designed for a select market , 30 to 40 year old guys and I think they hit the mark . Concur on the Limit The Number comment also !
I never really considered the GX470. I'm not crazy about the looks (too tall and boxy) and since there are only three in our family, we didn't really need the extra room. But most importantly perhaps is the RX will be my wife's car, and I thought she would like its lighter, more nimble feel better than the GX or any other "true SUV" which she really didn't need anyway. And after she took a good look at the RX and went for the test drive, we closed on the deal.
P.S. A couple of years ago I went and checked out an RX300, which I didn't care for so I didn't even bother to tell my wife about it (knowing that she probably would have wanted that model too, but I would be somewhat disappointed as the driver on family trips and errands). I think Lexus did a good job making the new vehicle quite a bit sportier and more appealing to men, while still retaining some of the qualities that women seem to appreciate as well. But with the FX Infiniti made no such attempt to please the ladies, or even mainstream buyers for that matter. But they sure hit the bullseye for what I was looking for!
Thanks for the information on the sales of the various SUV's. The numbers are interesting. I think they bear out just one of the reasons I purchased my FX---exclusivity. The other night I saw a fellow car club member at Steak N Shake and he said "Is that a new Porsche Cayenne I saw in your driveway?" The FX will never be mistaken for the 1000's of RX300's, RX330's and X5's that are seen everywhere on the road and all look alike. Add that to its performance and handling and for me you have an almost perfect package. Just my thoughts.
If Vehicle A has sold almost 4 times than Vehicle B. The important possible explanations would include. 1. Vehicle A is better than Vehicle B. Difficult to compare ,even though they fall under the same umbrella , still a lot of difference.My comments are going to be biased in this regard. 2. Vehicle B is produced in less quantities, likely in case of FX . However even though the target sales may be low but they are not out of stock at any dealership and are abundant . 3. Vehicle B has poor marketing stratgies , Do not believe as Infinity has been a leader in marketing their products. 4. Vehicle B does not meet the need of masses and caters to a specific group of purchasers. Highly likely that the new contemporary design does not please everyone and there is a select group of people as in this discussion board, who love the speed and other features. 5. Vehicle B is more expensive therfore only a certain group of people can afford it .Do not believe so . 6. Vehicle B is relativley new model therfore people are hesitant in investing and trusting the long tem reliability. To some extent........ . 7. Company making the two Vehicles have different reputation.. Do not think so......
The reasons could be a combination of the above and others . I know most of you would want to have low number in sales to preserve the uniqueness .It 's nice to be unique and less common as most of you guys like and have stated in your messages. Just wanted to know what your thoughts are and any other inputs. And please guys do not get upset ......so no angry remarks ......
The FX is built so that you either love it or hate it. It is not a car built with compromises like the RX or MDX. It's an aggressively-styled car and acts like it with no excuses. Looking at other boards like MSN auto reviews, people are either giving it very high marks or very low marks. I think this will be one of the main reasons why the numbers on the road will be comparatively low.....alright with me!
If Vehicle A has sold almost 4 times than Vehicle B. The important possible explanations would include. 1. Vehicle A is better than Vehicle B. Difficult to compare ,even though they fall under the same umbrella , still a lot of difference.My comments are going to be biased in this regard.
IMO, it's hard to say that the RX330 is better than the FX35 and vice versa. I say this because it seems the vehicles may have different goals -- the RX being more of a family-oriented vehicle while the FX is pretty much a sports-oriented vehicle with added utility. So, different strokes for different folks?
2. Vehicle B is produced in less quantities, likely in case of FX . However even though the target sales may be low but they are not out of stock at any dealership and are abundant .
With less production but still high dealer inventory, it would seem that the FX does not appeal to the general population. It could also be that since it's a new vehicle (and a radical one at that), buyers are likely not ready to take a chance of getting one yet. Hopefully, once more FX's are on the road, this hesitation would change.
3. Vehicle B has poor marketing stratgies , Do not believe as Infinity has been a leader in marketing their products.
I have seen less commercials of the FX than the RX. I think Infiniti can do a better job at marketing. Lexus seems to have more advertising dollars.
4. Vehicle B does not meet the need of masses and caters to a specific group of purchasers. Highly likely that the new contemporary design does not please everyone and there is a select group of people as in this discussion board, who love the speed and other features.
Exactly...I think that people are more concerned with abundant cargo space and 7-seating rather than performance in an SUV. That's why the Acura MDX, Honda Pilot, Volvo XC90 are also popular.
I chose the FX because of it's safety features -- it has everything that the Volvo XC90 has except for the Roll Stability Control. With its slightly lower ground clearance, the rollover risk is decreased siginificantly compared to the MDX and Pilot. Don't get me wrong, though, it will still rollover but not as likely as other SUVs. I also chose it because it is a great value (IMO) and is readily available. I'm not the type who orders a car at MSRP and waits months to get the vehicle. There are so many choices out there and it doesn't make sense to me to pay full price and wait.
Now, having the performance of the FX is a really good bonus.
5. Vehicle B is more expensive therfore only a certain group of people can afford it .Do not believe so .
I think the FX is priced right and can be cheaper if the buyer is a good negotiator.
6. Vehicle B is relativley new model therfore people are hesitant in investing and trusting the long tem reliability. To some extent........ .
Yes, I think this may be a factor. See answer to #2.
7. Company making the two Vehicles have different reputation.. Do not think so......
Well, they kind of do. Toyota is known for reliability and quality, but not necessarily performance. And more people are concerned about reliability and quality. Nissan kind of dug itself a hole by producing lack-luster products in the past due to cost-cutting measures. However, Nissan's turnaround is blowing everyone away. IMO, they currently have more exciting products in their line-up than any other Japanese manufacturer. The only other manufacturer that is getting my attention is Subaru.
Does anybody have a prediction on FX35 resale value? I own a J30 and know first hand how terrible resale is for this car. In my opinion, Infiniti makes great cars, but when you think of resale value... Anyways, if anyone has any info or opinions,let me know Thanks,
The fact that this is the first model year for the FX, it's very difficult to forecast what the resale value would be. Also, it doesn't help that the FX is a "niche" type of vehicle....it's not a vehicle that has broad appeal like the RX or MDX. Being that this "crossover" segment is still in its infancy, it's impossible to tell at this point how the public will respond. However, from my standpoint, resale value was not a big factor in my purchase decision....I wanted a vehicle with lots of performance, distinctive styling, and some utility with all-wheel-drive....a vehicle I can enjoy NOW and not worry about what to do with it down the road. If resale value is a big concern to you, then go with a conservative model with a long history like the RX, MDX, or Honda Pilot, or even the big GM SUV's.
If resale value is a concern, lease rather than buy. If the residual is higher than the market in 3 years, then don't buy the car. You are protected! By the way, I'm going from San Diego to Dallas in a couple days to pick up my new FX45 Tech/Diamond Graphite. No one around here could touch the Money Factor and the low Cap Cost Reduction (driveaway). How about $734 a month for 39 months/15k a year. Every dealer around here had none in stock, one didn't want to dealer trade and they all wanted way over $800 a month. The way Grubbs does E-Commerce makes almost every dealer look like they are still in nursery school.
I'm sure it'll be a fun drive back for you from Dallas to San Diego. Although I purchased my vehicle vs. lease, it sounds like you got a great lease deal. Great choice of color...I've had my FX35 w/ Tech in Diamond Graphite for a week now...the color is outstanding (not to mention the performance of the car). I was contemplating a 45, but I was struggling to find one in this color (w/ Tech). Enjoy it.
I think this has been mentioned more than once in town hall boards: Ford sells many more Explorers than RX330 or MDX, so do Jeep with their Grand Cherokees and Hyndai(?) with their Santa Fes(autosite.com). Does that mean these are better vehicles? The same thing can be said with resale value: you cannot judge a vehicle with resale value. None of the real top selling mid size SUVs are affected by their relatively poor quality and resale value.
As you mentioned(a bit long) but right on target. I agree with your comments and would like to elaborate on a couple.Albdoc hints that since the RX has sales that are far greater, it might be because it is a better vehicle. If that were the case then we would all own the Ford Taurus. The same holds true for the stock market; if everyone is buying it, then it might be time to do something else. Marketing Strategies--When the Q45 came out it sold far less vehicles than the Lexus LS400, even though every car magazine praised it as the ultimate drivers car. The Lexus made a huge media blitz and most people didn't know what a Q45 was because their marketing stunk! In 94 they tried to emphasize the luxury more to compete with Lexus and they lost a lot of the sport. In a nutshell, they didn't know what they wanted to be. I owned four of the early model Q's and they were one of the best enthusiast sedans on the road for the money. Today, the Q and their marketing doesn't know which way is up. With the FX ,they hit the nail on the head as a true drivers sport sedan, yet they want to market it as family crossover vehicle. THey are still not sure what they want to be! Edmunds has a great discussion under the Infinitiy M45 heading called "why Infiniti's don't sell". There are about 75 posts and it's very informative. Lastly, concerning the comment that Vehicle B is more expensive and only a small group of people can afford it. May be some validity here. I believe the Nissan Murano is taking some would be customers from the FX. Go to their Edmunds site and you will notice a number of posts saying that they bought a Murano because they could buy at invoice or below and that they could get a better deal on the Murano even though they really wanted an FX(honest).I think the Fx is much better value than the Murano for what you get, but there is no doubt it is taking some sales from the FX. I wonder what the combined number of sales are? The Fx is a great sports sedan that has a bunch of extra versatility and maybe they should empahsize that a lot more in their marketing. Guess I got a little long-winded myself. Just my thoughts on the subject.
I will drop off the LS in Dallas and drive the FX to Omaha for a family reunion. Then back down to Dallas and take both cars back to San Diego. I'll have to vary my speed for the break-in. I want to buy an oil filter at the dealer (probably hard to find at an auto parts store and have the oil changed on the way back). We looked at all the colors at the dealer here. The off-white and Golden Sand were not that flattering to my wife, and I usually go for white. Both the LS and my Volvo are white. But my 13 year old liked the Silver and wife liked the DG and I thought the B16 was a little too dark for our sunny clime. I bet the DG will be hotter than white, of course. The DG and a couple other colors are premium priced. Another drawback with metallics is that they are hard to "touch-up". I'm glad the FX bumpers are higher than most curbs. Keeps the scrapes down. Here we have two companies called Bumper Express and Bumper Medic. They do an incredible business in repairing scratched bumpers. In short, the DG seemed to be a flattering color for the FX, considering it's shape. My wife thought the Ivory reminded her of an ambulance (she's an R.N.). As to the 35 vs. the 45, a lot of reviews favor the balance of the 35. It accelerates briskly around town and one of my high bucks clients got a 35 and loves it. He also has a MB 430 and a new Mini Cooper S. The FX is hardly an SUV. It's more like a different looking station wagon. My Volvo 960 wagon has more utility. It just doesn't go and corner like an FX. Most cars don't. Vive La Difference!
After test driving the FX (which I absolutely love!), I discussed leasing one with the sales person. She printed out a decent proposal, but the one number I had trouble ignoring was monthly depreciation. I understand how leases work, yet for some reason, I had a hard time swallowing that figure (which was more than rent in my apartment was when I first was married). It is probably perhaps that I have usually purchased cars 2+ years old, to help curb that loss.
That said, I have decided to hold out a couple of years for an FX in the mid to upper $20 range instead. I would love to own the car today, but at this point in my life, I feel that I should be stashing money away for my daughter's college fund, and my retirement, instead of more vehicle depreciation.
For those of you leasing right now, with intentions of 'moving up' in a few years, enjoy and take good care of my future Cheetah!
Don't despair! A lease payment has 3 parts: State sales taxes, depreciation based on a residual value, and the MF Money Factor, which is the interest charged to rent the money. You are really renting the car. Of those 3 components, two are really quite fixed. State sales tax and residual (depreciation) are not negotiable or set by the dealer. Most leases are done by Infiniti Financial Services. They set the residual value, and for the FX it is probably around 51 or 52% on a 36-39 month lease. The dealers vary only on the negotiated price (Capitalized Cost or Cap Cost) and the profit on the money factor (interest charged on the money borrowed to buy the car). That's why you get the variation in lease amounts. Try a quote from Grubbs. Unlike my local dealers, who quoted $840 a month with a high MF, they beat that by over $100 a month. In the end, it all boils down to the total monthly payment and the money down (driveaway). Mine was $2500 and $734 a month on a FX45 with Tech Package. This is calculated at 39 months and 15k a year. The actual selling price is inconsequential. Being self-employed, I can write off 80% of my lease payments. The residual value is also inconsequential. I just trade it in for a new one at the end of the lease. If the car is worth less than the residual, IFS takes the hit when they dispose of the car. Buying a 3 year old car that is off lease is not a bad deal. New cars typically lose 30-33% of their value the first year, and 50% after 3 years. You do really pay for the new car smell. In my case, Uncle Sam helps a lot. Consider a part-time income in MLM or some kind of self-employment. Then the monthly net cost of a lease is really low. Even if you are a corporate slave, a lease payment is less than a purchase payment. That's why a huge % of luxury cars are leased. Actually, I need a larger lease payment than on an FX45. But what would my clients say if I showed up in a twin-turbo Cayenne?
Judgment day: As Goldmember would say: Toyt, Very toyt, like a tiger! We are EXTREMELY impressed with this vehicle! Go test drive one as soon as you can. The power and handling of the FX will BLOW you away! Extremely comfortable even though other reviews say the suspension is too stiff. Trust us, it’s NOTHING like the harshness of the sport version of the BMW X5. Now THAT’S stiff and uncomfortable! If we were making the choice between a BMW X5, Mercedes-Benz ML, Porsche Cayenne, VW Touareg or Lexus RX330, the Infiniti FX45 would be our choice, hands down. When we drive it, the question that keeps popping up in our minds is: Are sedans becoming obsolete? Its combination of price/performance/styling is on a different level than the others. As soon as they come out with a more aggressive lease program, we suggest you give it serious consideration.
One last note: If you can’t afford the FX45, don’t hesitate to buy the FX35 we’ve driven it and the six cylinder engine is outstanding.
The one point I REALLY agree with is how Infiniti is marketing the FX. As I've stated before, I think it's missing the boat by marketing the FX as a crossover SUV vice an alternative to the sports sedan. The Auto Spies review backs that up.
and it seemed so small that the rear tailgate seemed like it was right behind me...a tiny vehicle, bringing to mind a Ford Fiesta...is the FX just the gussied up version of the Murano (like the Camry/Es300), or is it a different vehicle, or at least longer???...the Murano just seemed like a dollhouse...
Two different vehicles, different platforms. Probably similar in size, though. FX higher quality interior, too.
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As I said a few days ago I tested an FX45 overnight and then did the same with a Cayenne S.
Bear in mind that I am in PA and as anyone knows who have been here, our roads are, how shall I say, not smooth.
In mixed driving on the PA turnpike and around the suburbs I covered all but long distance driving.
I am also comparing with my current ride, an ML430.
Pick up from a standing start was a big difference, both cars had about 25 miles on it. the FX45 was smooth and the car feels light and nimble. The Cayenne pick up was not as smooth, but the Cayenne felt much quicker.
Cornering the Porsche was a dream, like on tracks, the FX was OK but the C of G felt much higher and roll was present.
The manual change on both cars we good to use but the steering wheel controls on the Cayenne made it easier to use and get used to.
Both cars were very stable (bad weather here this week) the Cayenne felt "safer", more solid in the rain on the turnpike.
The FX engine was the less obvious of the 2, you are always aware of the Cayenne's note. I think this is designed.
On a stretch of street on my regular commute that had been scraped for re-surfacing the FX was painfull, like driving over small speed bumps very fast, the Cayenne went over them without any noticable anything, noise or vibration.
The audio system were comparable but the Cayenne sounded better (to me) I think because the Porsche is much quieter in general from the point of view of windnoise and roadnoise.
Rear visability is bad in the FX, reversing into my garage was a nightmare, not just directly back but the rear quarters are invisible. I did not like that at all.
On the Cayenne it was OK, not as good as the ML, but the folding mirrors were very usefull, will save me a bunch (so I am not good in this area, 3 ML mirrors since 99.)
Let me say that I love the FX, but I am now in love with the Cayenne, its a much better vehicle, as I suspected, and with the dealers really dealing I am ordering one on Monday.
Can you tell me what options were on the Cayenne s you tested and what the MSRP on the vehicle was? Also, you mention they are dealing. How much do you think they will come off MSRP on this vehicle?Thanks for your input.
I thought the Cayenne's were all sold out this year---or was it just marketing hype? Yes, it is a very high quality car...but even with some dealing (which I highly doubt for a very high demand car), it is still very much more $$$ than the FX45 which I think still is a better looking car and just as quick, if not quicker.
I looked at the stickers of some of the many Cayenne's on the lot at our local Porsche dealer the other day, while waiting for service to be done on our Audi. On the "S" model they ranged from about $54,000 to close to $70,000, depending on options. One thing that struck me is that I never knew you could spend so much on optional higher quality leather! I don't remember the details as it was a real turn-off(the options pricing on Porsche's have always bothered me). Anyway, unlike many I do really like the styling on the vehicle, but I think it's way overpriced for what you get, especially compared to the FX45, which by all accounts IS quicker by almost a full second 0-60 and handles AT LEAST as well if not better.
Car & Driver tested the FX45's lateral grip at .87. While there is much more to handling that lateral grip, it does show the FX really sticks to the road around curves. Many reviewers have opined that the FX is the best handling SUV they have ever tested. Your experience (which I do not doubt for a second) is obviously different. No doubt the Cayenne handles extremely well - much better as far your experience shows - and that is all that's important. Best of luck with it - as I said I like everything about it except for the price/value quotient.
The one thing that the Cayenne does win hands down over the FX is off-road performance: the Cayenne has the chassis, suspension and tire set-up to handle off-road almost as well as a Land Rover which is amazing. This may be irrelevant for many buyers since I highly doubt most reasonable owners would even consider taking their $60-70K vehicles over unpaved roads. I think that for pure raw power and handling, the only SUV that can surpass the FX45 is the Cayenne Turbo S (for twice the price!)
Wife and I looked at the Cayenne S before buying the FX45 . Comments she made when she was sitting in the back seat was how cheap the switches were and one of the plastic light covers seemed loose. Don't know if it was a demo model but for the $$$ they were asking it gave me a neg. feeling for the SUV. The interior did not impress me either . Everything seemed "flat" to me ( if that is the right word to use?). I didn't feel the SUV's instrumentation "wrap" around me. Lastly, everything was a option and it added up $$$ ! To be honest , I did not test drive one so I really can not comment on the feel and handling of the Cayenne S. Reading comments from other experts , some say wait till the VW version comes out and save the $$$. Agree that the Cayenne TURBO is the best out there for city driving SUVs but if I had to spend the 90 grand plus , I would own the sports car version . Maybe, I'm bias now that I own the FX45 but I did check out the Cayenne S and for looks (inside and out) the FX beats it hands down . My 2 cents.
Thanks for your feedback on the test drive and the pricing. I guess it doesn't really matter what the press has to say. The only way to know is to do what you did and drive both. Even though the Cayeene S is substantially more expensive, on a lease basis sound like there's not that much difference in the actual payment. Enjoy your new ride and keep us posted
I believe next summer/fall, Lexus will be coming out a sports-oriented SUV much like the FX45 w/similar style and performance but with the additional "Lexus luxury."......this crossover segment is looking very interesting.
I might have bought one due to the fact my LX470 is top notch on fit and finish . But if Lexus does make one, are they admitting what we have been discussing previously about the differences between the FX45 and the RX330 ???? Kinda adds fuel to the fire about the RX330 not being in the same league as the FX45......
Agreed that the Cayenne is a better off-road vehicle than the FX, but the ground clearance is just 8.54 inches (less than an inch more than the FX) which I don't think is adequate for serious off-road duty - not like most buyers would want to subject their $60K+ Porsche to such abuse in the first place, as you said. Its cousin, the VW Touareg, would be a far better choice. Equipped with the optional air suspension, its clearance is an amazing 11.8 inches and this one IS supposed to be comparable to the Range Rover for off-road use.
Also have you read anywhere that the new Lexus (called HPX, I believe) is a definite go? I saw the drawing of it in this month's Car & Driver, and it certainly does bear a strong resemblence to the FX; in fact, C&D even joked about the similarity. I did not hear though that Lexus has definitely decided to produce this vehicle(?).
I think that the overall style of the FX will be repeated many times, you can already see it in the new Chrysler offerings. I have also heard of both Lexus and Ford (saw picture) offerings which follow the new genre started by the FX.
I do not think the FX will be an oddity in less than a year. I remember when I got my ML430 there we few around and I had to struggle to deal with its shape being away from the then norms. Now just look around and the basic shape has been repeated many times.
This high wasted look seems to have a retro appeal which I like myself, rather than the low waste large glass area designs of the recent past.
I read that over the next 5 model years there are 61 new models being launched, it would be interesting to keep these notes and revisit them in 08.
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I remain curious as to what the FX means to Nissan/Infiniti. So far, the sale numbers are not that strong but maybe that's ok. Certainly if you want to keep the "WOW" factor up, then you will limit the amount of vehicles you make available. But I also know there are a fair number of FXs that tend to sit on the lots--so I don't know. IMHO, marketing the FX as only a crossover SUV alternative misses the mark. I would also tout it as a "sports sedan" alternative thereby garnering interest from both SUV and car buyers.
Not a criticism of the vehicle, just the marketing strategy. But hey, what do I know?
I think Nissan/Infiniti only targets to sell 30K units a year. I'm not sure what the target numbers are for the RX330, I'm sure it's more since it is Lexus' #1 seller. I know the MDX targets around 60K units a year and it seems that Acura is right on track to sell that much.
PSB1013: I also enjoy the distinctiveness and exclusiveness of the FX. Owned a 3 Series BMW before and just like the X5 I saw more and more on the road as the WEEKS went by. Finally, got fed up when I saw teenagers driving the car. Thought of buying the '03 M3 but felt the same thing will happen (Salesman at local BMW dealership agreed and tried to sell me a M5, to much $$$ for me.). FX was designed for a select market , 30 to 40 year old guys and I think they hit the mark . Concur on the Limit The Number comment also !
P.S. A couple of years ago I went and checked out an RX300, which I didn't care for so I didn't even bother to tell my wife about it (knowing that she probably would have wanted that model too, but I would be somewhat disappointed as the driver on family trips and errands). I think Lexus did a good job making the new vehicle quite a bit sportier and more appealing to men, while still retaining some of the qualities that women seem to appreciate as well. But with the FX Infiniti made no such attempt to please the ladies, or even mainstream buyers for that matter. But they sure hit the bullseye for what I was looking for!
1. Vehicle A is better than Vehicle B. Difficult to compare ,even though they fall under the same umbrella , still a lot of difference.My comments are going to be biased in this regard.
2. Vehicle B is produced in less quantities, likely in case of FX . However even though the target sales may be low but they are not out of stock at any dealership and are abundant .
3. Vehicle B has poor marketing stratgies , Do not believe as Infinity has been a leader in marketing their products.
4. Vehicle B does not meet the need of masses and caters to a specific group of purchasers. Highly likely that the new contemporary design does not please everyone and there is a select group of people as in this discussion board, who love the speed and other features.
5. Vehicle B is more expensive therfore only a certain group of people can afford it .Do not believe so .
6. Vehicle B is relativley new model therfore people are hesitant in investing and trusting the long tem reliability. To some extent........ .
7. Company making the two Vehicles have different reputation.. Do not think so......
The reasons could be a combination of the above and others . I know most of you would want to have low number in sales to preserve the uniqueness .It 's nice to be unique and less common as most of you guys like and have stated in your messages.
Just wanted to know what your thoughts are and any other inputs.
And please guys do not get upset ......so no angry remarks ......
1. Vehicle A is better than Vehicle B. Difficult to compare ,even though they fall under the same umbrella , still a lot of difference.My comments are going to be biased in this regard.
IMO, it's hard to say that the RX330 is better than the FX35 and vice versa. I say this because it seems the vehicles may have different goals -- the RX being more of a family-oriented vehicle while the FX is pretty much a sports-oriented vehicle with added utility. So, different strokes for different folks?
2. Vehicle B is produced in less quantities, likely in case of FX . However even though the target sales may be low but they are not out of stock at any dealership and are abundant .
With less production but still high dealer inventory, it would seem that the FX does not appeal to the general population. It could also be that since it's a new vehicle (and a radical one at that), buyers are likely not ready to take a chance of getting one yet. Hopefully, once more FX's are on the road, this hesitation would change.
3. Vehicle B has poor marketing stratgies , Do not believe as Infinity has been a leader in marketing their products.
I have seen less commercials of the FX than the RX. I think Infiniti can do a better job at marketing. Lexus seems to have more advertising dollars.
4. Vehicle B does not meet the need of masses and caters to a specific group of purchasers. Highly likely that the new contemporary design does not please everyone and there is a select group of people as in this discussion board, who love the speed and other features.
Exactly...I think that people are more concerned with abundant cargo space and 7-seating rather than performance in an SUV. That's why the Acura MDX, Honda Pilot, Volvo XC90 are also popular.
I chose the FX because of it's safety features -- it has everything that the Volvo XC90 has except for the Roll Stability Control. With its slightly lower ground clearance, the rollover risk is decreased siginificantly compared to the MDX and Pilot. Don't get me wrong, though, it will still rollover but not as likely as other SUVs. I also chose it because it is a great value (IMO) and is readily available. I'm not the type who orders a car at MSRP and waits months to get the vehicle. There are so many choices out there and it doesn't make sense to me to pay full price and wait.
Now, having the performance of the FX is a really good bonus.
5. Vehicle B is more expensive therfore only a certain group of people can afford it .Do not believe so .
I think the FX is priced right and can be cheaper if the buyer is a good negotiator.
6. Vehicle B is relativley new model therfore people are hesitant in investing and trusting the long tem reliability. To some extent........ .
Yes, I think this may be a factor. See answer to #2.
7. Company making the two Vehicles have different reputation.. Do not think so......
Well, they kind of do. Toyota is known for reliability and quality, but not necessarily performance. And more people are concerned about reliability and quality. Nissan kind of dug itself a hole by producing lack-luster products in the past due to cost-cutting measures. However, Nissan's turnaround is blowing everyone away. IMO, they currently have more exciting products in their line-up than any other Japanese manufacturer. The only other manufacturer that is getting my attention is Subaru.
Thanks,
If the residual is higher than the market in 3 years, then don't buy the car. You are protected!
By the way, I'm going from San Diego to Dallas in a couple days to pick up my new FX45 Tech/Diamond Graphite.
No one around here could touch the Money Factor and the low Cap Cost Reduction (driveaway).
How about $734 a month for 39 months/15k a year.
Every dealer around here had none in stock, one didn't want to dealer trade and they all wanted way over $800 a month.
The way Grubbs does E-Commerce makes almost every dealer look like they are still in nursery school.
I'll have to vary my speed for the break-in. I want to buy an oil filter at the dealer (probably hard to find at an auto parts store and have the oil changed on the way back).
We looked at all the colors at the dealer here. The off-white and Golden Sand were not that flattering to my wife, and I usually go for white. Both the LS and my Volvo are white.
But my 13 year old liked the Silver and wife liked the DG and I thought the B16 was a little too dark for our sunny clime. I bet the DG will be hotter than white, of course.
The DG and a couple other colors are premium priced. Another drawback with metallics is that they are hard to "touch-up". I'm glad the FX bumpers are higher than most curbs. Keeps the scrapes down.
Here we have two companies called Bumper Express and Bumper Medic. They do an incredible business in repairing scratched bumpers.
In short, the DG seemed to be a flattering color for the FX, considering it's shape. My wife thought the Ivory reminded her of an ambulance (she's an R.N.).
As to the 35 vs. the 45, a lot of reviews favor the balance of the 35. It accelerates briskly around town and one of my high bucks clients got a 35 and loves it. He also has a MB 430 and a new Mini Cooper S.
The FX is hardly an SUV. It's more like a different looking station wagon. My Volvo 960 wagon has more utility. It just doesn't go and corner like an FX. Most cars don't.
Vive La Difference!
That said, I have decided to hold out a couple of years for an FX in the mid to upper $20 range instead. I would love to own the car today, but at this point in my life, I feel that I should be stashing money away for my daughter's college fund, and my retirement, instead of more vehicle depreciation.
For those of you leasing right now, with intentions of 'moving up' in a few years, enjoy and take good care of my future Cheetah!
You are really renting the car.
Of those 3 components, two are really quite fixed. State sales tax and residual (depreciation) are not negotiable or set by the dealer.
Most leases are done by Infiniti Financial Services. They set the residual value, and for the FX it is probably around 51 or 52% on a 36-39 month lease.
The dealers vary only on the negotiated price (Capitalized Cost or Cap Cost) and the profit on the money factor (interest charged on the money borrowed to buy the car). That's why you get the variation in lease amounts.
Try a quote from Grubbs. Unlike my local dealers, who quoted $840 a month with a high MF, they beat that by over $100 a month.
In the end, it all boils down to the total monthly payment and the money down (driveaway). Mine was $2500 and $734 a month on a FX45 with Tech Package. This is calculated at 39 months and 15k a year. The actual selling price is inconsequential.
Being self-employed, I can write off 80% of my lease payments. The residual value is also inconsequential. I just trade it in for a new one at the end of the lease. If the car is worth less than the residual, IFS takes the hit when they dispose of the car.
Buying a 3 year old car that is off lease is not a bad deal. New cars typically lose 30-33% of their value the first year, and 50% after 3 years. You do really pay for the new car smell. In my case, Uncle Sam helps a lot.
Consider a part-time income in MLM or some kind of self-employment. Then the monthly net cost of a lease is really low.
Even if you are a corporate slave, a lease payment is less than a purchase payment. That's why a huge % of luxury cars are leased.
Actually, I need a larger lease payment than on an FX45. But what would my clients say if I showed up in a twin-turbo Cayenne?
Judgment day: As Goldmember would say: Toyt, Very toyt, like a tiger! We are EXTREMELY impressed with this vehicle! Go test drive one as soon as you can. The power and handling of the FX will BLOW you away! Extremely comfortable even though other reviews say the suspension is too stiff. Trust us, it’s NOTHING like the harshness of the sport version of the BMW X5. Now THAT’S stiff and uncomfortable! If we were making the choice between a BMW X5, Mercedes-Benz ML, Porsche Cayenne, VW Touareg or Lexus RX330, the Infiniti FX45 would be our choice, hands down. When we drive it, the question that keeps popping up in our minds is: Are sedans becoming obsolete? Its combination of price/performance/styling is on a different level than the others. As soon as they come out with a more aggressive lease program, we suggest you give it serious consideration.
One last note: If you can’t afford the FX45, don’t hesitate to buy the FX35 we’ve driven it and the six cylinder engine is outstanding.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Bear in mind that I am in PA and as anyone knows who have been here, our roads are, how shall I say, not smooth.
In mixed driving on the PA turnpike and around the suburbs I covered all but long distance driving.
I am also comparing with my current ride, an ML430.
Pick up from a standing start was a big difference, both cars had about 25 miles on it. the FX45 was smooth and the car feels light and nimble. The Cayenne pick up was not as smooth, but the Cayenne felt much quicker.
Cornering the Porsche was a dream, like on tracks, the FX was OK but the C of G felt much higher and roll was present.
The manual change on both cars we good to use but the steering wheel controls on the Cayenne made it easier to use and get used to.
Both cars were very stable (bad weather here this week) the Cayenne felt "safer", more solid in the rain on the turnpike.
The FX engine was the less obvious of the 2, you are always aware of the Cayenne's note. I think this is designed.
On a stretch of street on my regular commute that had been scraped for re-surfacing the FX was painfull, like driving over small speed bumps very fast, the Cayenne went over them without any noticable anything, noise or vibration.
The audio system were comparable but the Cayenne sounded better (to me) I think because the Porsche is much quieter in general from the point of view of windnoise and roadnoise.
Rear visability is bad in the FX, reversing into my garage was a nightmare, not just directly back but the rear quarters are invisible. I did not like that at all.
On the Cayenne it was OK, not as good as the ML, but the folding mirrors were very usefull, will save me a bunch (so I am not good in this area, 3 ML mirrors since 99.)
Let me say that I love the FX, but I am now in love with the Cayenne, its a much better vehicle, as I suspected, and with the dealers really dealing I am ordering one on Monday.
No Contest I'm afraid.
Sorry.
The leases are in the 780-900 range depending on options
there are lease deals thru June at Porsche
Sorry to disagree, the Cayenne handles MUCH better, the 0-60 time may be faster, it does not feel that way tho
Lastly, everything was a option and it added up $$$ ! To be honest , I did not test drive one so I really can not comment on the feel and handling of the Cayenne S. Reading comments from other experts , some say wait till the VW version comes out and save the $$$. Agree that the Cayenne TURBO is the best out there for city driving SUVs but if I had to spend the 90 grand plus , I would own the sports car version . Maybe, I'm bias now that I own the FX45 but I did check out the Cayenne S and for looks (inside and out) the FX beats it hands down . My 2 cents.
Also have you read anywhere that the new Lexus (called HPX, I believe) is a definite go? I saw the drawing of it in this month's Car & Driver, and it certainly does bear a strong resemblence to the FX; in fact, C&D even joked about the similarity. I did not hear though that Lexus has definitely decided to produce this vehicle(?).
I do not think the FX will be an oddity in less than a year. I remember when I got my ML430 there we few around and I had to struggle to deal with its shape being away from the then norms. Now just look around and the basic shape has been repeated many times.
This high wasted look seems to have a retro appeal which I like myself, rather than the low waste large glass area designs of the recent past.
I read that over the next 5 model years there are 61 new models being launched, it would be interesting to keep these notes and revisit them in 08.