I've had my FX45tech for 8 mos. & 21.5K and it's been pretty much problem free. crikey named the issues but none of those had become problems for me before being checked. I haven't had any brake squeal & based on these forums, I don't think that is a systemic issue either. crikey, did you have the dealer check it? Actually, my last vehicle drove me nuts with squealing brakes and I've been much pleased that the FX never does it.
Make sure you test drive both cars. If possible do a panic stop (please make sure no cars are behind you) and you will see difference #1. FX35 will not nose dive compared to the RX330. Take each car through some curves and see how the each car handles and you will see difference #2. FX will out perform the RX330. Finish, the RX330 wins by just a hair line over the FX35, each person tastes are different (wood vs aluminum).
I had the same issue, but it changed after a real test drive. We purchased the FX45tech 03, and never looked back or thought about the RX330 again.
I do not get to drive the car that often, why, because my wife drives it.
I have a FX45tech 03 and determined that keeping the AWD locked when snow was on the ground was best way to improve traction and control. I tested with the AWD lock off and on, and with it off the auto AWD system kicked in snow, but it just not fast enough to correct slippage in snow and ice. Note, the FX starts off in 4WD, then it transitions to rear wheel drive when the vehicle MPH is greater than 20.
With the AWD lock on (transition does not occur to rear wheel drive when vehicle MPH is greater than 20), driving was excellent, similar to other 4WD vehicles.
You should test it for your self in a parking lot and you will see the difference. There is no need for 20inch snow tires for the FX45.
Who will be driving the SUV, you or your wife? Remember, "A happy wife equals a happy life...!"
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I did not say that those recalls listed above became a problem for me. I just mentioned that they were recalls. And recalls, to me anyway, require taking care of. It would have been nice if the recalls came about as I was scheduled to bring the FX in for maintenance but the timing was not favorable. So, I had to make separate appointments for each one.
And regarding the brake squeal issue, if you go to another prominent FX forum, you will find that I'm not an isolated case. I had the dealership look at it and they concur that the squealing is evident on G35s too. I'm glad that you do not have the squealing brake issue but it is an issue that does affect some of us. I will have the dealership delve into the issue again once I bring the FX in for maintenance service.
BTW, today was a rainy day here in my part of the world and the brake squeal is not there. Hmmm....
I've never driven the RX, but from seeing this comparison made lots of times, it pretty much boils down to whether you prefer the isolated, plush ride of the Lexus vs. the "road feel" and handling prowess of the FX. The FX's ride isn't nearly as "jarring" as some of the reviews describe it (at least on the 18" wheels) but it doesn't give you that floating on air feeling of the RX. The RX is a more comfortable highway cruiser, but the FX is much more capable when it comes to throwing it into curves, and has greater horsepower.
Only problem I've had with the FX after about a month of ownership is that the seat controls on the right of the driver seat dug into my hip, and I had to get the padding in the middle bolstered to find a comfortable seating position. Only time I've ever had that problem with a car seat, and I expect that wouldn't have been a problem with the RX. Otherwise, no complaints at all.
Good luck, I really don't think there is a wrong choice to make between the two.
Guys & Gals, Thank you all for your inputs. Still have not decided yet. However, I am almost certain that I will be going for the FX35. I want more of sports-feel and unique looking SUV than a pure luxury SUV. Will let you know when I actually jump the gun. Wish me luck on the negotiating - the best offer I have so far is $500 over invoice (S. Cal) jccssc
Try the internet manager at Riverside Infiniti. He will give you a much better deal than that. There is another forum which edmunds forbids me from mentioning, but I'm sure you could do a google search and find it by looking for the specific brand name car plus the word forum If you check that forum there will be much information about Riverside in California and Grubbs Infiniti in Dallas, and by mentioning said forum you may get a better deal. Sorry to be so vague but if I posted the info, my post would be deleted.
I actually like the new TL, it seems Honda really knows how to build great engines. But, I'm still partial to the G35 because, you guessed it, of its rear wheel drive orientation. And the VQ engine is no slouch either, ask Ward's. Now if the TL were rear wheel drive, it would be my choice especially with that sumptuous interior.
Anyway, back to the FX...if you need utility sometimes, it's perfect. And with a cargo box, vacation luggage is not that big of a problem anymore.
Actually Ithink the TL is the only vehicle that comes close to offering the technology the FX has. I am a techno geek so all the bells and whistles really get me going and the FX is the only vehicle to offer all the features it does at the price point. The RX330 comes close ( no keyless start) but it is a moving couch that even my wife said was to feminine.
The only negative I have about the TL is torque. I love the powerband of the FX and rarely take it above 4500 rpm as I get most of the power I need below that point. IF the TL was RWD and had a wider torque band it would pretty much be perfect. But the DVD-A, bluetooth and standard XM are great additions.
These are two incredible machines and we know the FX has styling that is more on the edge. The FX will appeal more to someone who wants to stand out, an individual. Someone who wants more expressive styling with more performance.
The Lexus is really only .5 second slower in the zero to sixty test. So in reality there is not that much of a difference in acceleration.
Of course the difference is in the nice exhaust note, the rear wheel drive on the FX, and the sportier handling.
My concern is for those of us who are puchasing the vehicle is how well will the FX hold its value. It is just meeting expectations for Infiniti and I understand they have had to sell some vehicles to Enterprise rent a car to get rid of excess models.
And we know that Lexus has sterling resale values. And the interior of the Lexus is incredible.
Actually, the RX is 0-60 in 7.8 sec & that's 1.5 sec slower than the FX45.... I test drove one when I bought my 45tech and it didn't seem to even be in the same ball park acceleration/torque/performance wise.
I think bpraxis was comparing FX35 vs RX330 0-60 times. Based on some publications, the FX35 posted around 7.3 seconds (although some FX35 owners have clocked theirs to be 0.1 to 0.4 seconds faster using G-Tech) for 0-60 times.
But yeah, if comparing to FX45, there is no contest. I think only the Porsche Cayenne TT and the Subaru Forester XT beats the 6.3 second time that the FX45 posted.
The Lexus would have the advantage in resale values since historically, Lexus have high resale values. Although, Infiniti seems to be inching up on resale values due to their current product line. If resale value is the main criteria for buying a vehicle, then the RX330 would be the better choice.
i am about to purchase a used and unadvertised 03 FX35 rwd with premium pkg and 16k miles for $30k (the price of an awd murano!). does this seem like a decent deal? or might i find an awd FX35 for this price if i wait? also how much will it cost and where is the best place to have XM installed so that it works on the display in the car rather than an add on?
alternatively i can buy a never titled dealer demo 03 FX45 with 4k miles premium pkg and 20" chrome wheels for $39k. is it worth the extra $9k for awd and the v8?
or should i look for a used $27k murano awd save another 3k and just forget the FX?
Just drove a TL this evening with 6 speed and navigation. Real nice car!. Has a fair amount of torque steer when you make it go. When you switch off the traction control it will spin the tires in three gears. Might have one of the nicest shifters in the business. My wife won't let me drive the FX too often because she likes it and doesn't like driving my M3 coupe with the 5 speed. So I thought about maybe selling the M3 and trying the TL. The TL just doesn't bring out the passion and excitement I got (and still do) when I first drove the FX. It certainly doesn't handle like the M3, nor accelerate as well. I don't think it handles or feels as good as our FX35. The interior of the TL and the features are fabulous for the money. Said they would come off sticker about $1500, But I don't think that is enough. Don't think I'm going to do it, but I could be tempted. Think I'll test drive a g35 sedan with 6 speed if I can find one. Any thoughts?
Has a fair amount of torque steer when you make it go.
Those massively powerful FWDs really get ya. Although, the TL does a better job of quelling it. But yes, it has torque steer. Funny that when you go to enthusiast forums, most seemingly deny that torque steer exists on the TL. It may not be as evident, but it's there.
Might have one of the nicest shifters in the business.
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The TL just doesn't bring out the passion and excitement I got (and still do) when I first drove the FX...
Funny how an SUV is able to accomplish this...I still get excited everytime I get behind the wheel of the FX.
I don't think it handles or feels as good as our FX35.
It seems that Car and Driver agrees with you: Base your performance views on curves instead of straight lines, and the Acura's shortcomings quickly become evident. Hustled through the 300-foot skidpad, the TL managed to pull 0.81 g, which is less grip than that achieved by the G35 (0.87) and the 330i (0.83). A call to the Potenza bullpen is in order. On our 10Best handling loop, where twisty roads abound, the TL couldn't attack curves with the same speed and vigor as the Infiniti and BMW, inspiring less confidence because of its heavier front-loaded nature. Balance is key here, and the Acura's 60/40 front-to-rear weight bias can't match the BMW's perfect 50/50 or the Infiniti's 53/47.
My FX35 AWD with Premium, i.e. 18" wheels, is not too far behind the 0.81 g that the TL registered. I think our FX registered 0.79 g or 0.8 g, but the FXs equipped with the sport package registers 0.87 g. Wow!
The interior of the TL and the features are fabulous for the money.
I agree...if only Infiniti can make something similar.
Think I'll test drive a g35 sedan with 6 speed if I can find one.
If and when you do, try not to buy one. Rumor has it that Infiniti may change the interior for the upcoming model year (2005?). Nissan just revamped the 2005 Altima's interior and boy, what a difference.
to NCVOL - thanks for your comment regarding the controls that dig into your hip on the fx - i was beginning to think i was the only one with this problem and, as a matter of fact, it also took me about a month or so to notice that i just was not comfortable. can you please share with me what you did to remedy this? did you actually have the seat reworked, or are you just sitting on a pad - i tried the pad for awhile but it slipped too much. i am about to take this guy on a 500 mi road trip and i would appreciate any help. thanks,
I own 03 TL3.2 and 04 RX330. I stepped on a racoon at 60MPH on TL 3.2. That racoon made a $2000 damage on TL.
I rented FX35 from Enterprise while my TL is on work.
Wow, FX35 is really a fast car even though I felt a little bit heavy at 3rd and 4th gear.
The body roll is very small compared with RX 330. The sportsmatic is better than RX 330 (My RX 330 has sports package that includes air suspense).
Overall, FX35 feels my car except 1 flaw. The mirrors (sideviews and rear view) don't cover enough area. Thus, there are a lot of blind spots. Especially, I should be very careful when I make a lane change during heavy traffic hours. The mirror greatly resembles the shape of early 90's Taurus/Sable.
I still have 3 more years to pay off my TL. Once I pay off my TL, FX will be my car.
Having always owned little 2 door sport coupes, we never thought we'd see the day that we'd be driving something like the FX...but we are..and we love it! The handling and quality beats it's predecessor (a Benz) hands down, and IMO, the design engineers at Infiniti deserve major kudos on this one. Amazing styling, handling, speed, amenities and interior. Now, all that remains to be seen is the reliabilty, but all things considered, that looks as if it should be no problem..and after owning a Mercedes, reliability will be a VERY welcome addition indeed! Now..all they need to do is change the classification from "Crossover Vehicle" (too cumbersome) to "SV" for "Sport Vehicle", which IS what it is. :-)
The auto lock feature simply relocks the vehicle when you unlock it with your sending unit but don't open a door. In that scenario the doors will relock after the specified time you set. This can be a pain if you set it too quick. For instance, unlocking the car as you walk up to it and having it relock before you get to a door handle to open a door.
So_cali - I think that is a pretty good price. The few used FX's I have seen have commanded way more. The 03 45 may be a great buy seeing as it stickerd close to 50k while the fx rwd premium was closer to 37. It's your call. If you want to save money I would get the 35 if you can swing it buy the 45. I would stay away from used murano as there have been some teething problems with the cvt. Plus You have more warranty with the FX and service costs should be the same. Also many complain the murano is squeakier.
Resale/TCO - I actually think the resale of the FX is pretty good. If I retailed my vehicle right now I would be about 1k upside down and I bought it on a 39 month lease with 0 down. The only car that has held it's value better was the oddy I traded for the fx where I made 500 in 4 months. I have owned my FX for close to a year and it is still worth 85% of my PURCHASE PRICE which I consider real depreciation. (40k new worth about 34 on trade).
TL/G35- The TL is nice. What I think will get my sedan money is the new M35/M45. If the interior is even close to the fuga concept that may be my next sedan. The TL has everything right except which wheels are powered and the G just needs an interior transplant. The latter will happen the former won't
Thanks for the tips and the comments. I drove a G35 coupe with 6speed today. Nice car, but frankly just didn't trip my trigger compared to the FX. I guess I'm spoiled by my 98 M3 and FX35. I'm looking for a little bigger car, and the G35 coupe didn't seem any bigger than the M3. Didn't seem like it was worth another $15k over the price of my used M3. The M3 does 0-60 in about 5.4 and the G35 didn't feel any faster. The overall feel was more plasticky and tinny than the FX or M3. While I was there, they had one remaining new 2003 M45 left. Had a sticker of about $46k and they would sell it for about $35.5k. Drove it and those 340 horses were a lot of fun. Would be real tempting at that price. Real nice car. Any thoughts on the M45?
Hold off on the M45, please...I agree with clpurnell, you have to see what Infiniti is going to replace it with, see Nissan Fuga, the next Infiniti M45. Discussion going on in here.
BTW, I have to correct myself regarding the TL specs...the standard tires for the TL are the Bridgestone Turanzas. There is an optional tire for $200, the Bridgestone Potenza RE030, and this tire improves its roadholding to 0.89 g (per C&D $35K sedan shootout) or 0.87 g (per R&T April 2004 issue). So, the TL is an extremely capable handler given the correct set of shoes. However, you still have the torque steer to deal with. Oh well, no car is perfect.
Man, why doesn't Honda just use the S2000 RWD platform and make more RWD cars? This really perplexes me. I know it's Honda's halo car, but wouldn't they recoup more of the R&D expenses on the RWD if more vehicles use that platform? I don't get it.
I'm looking at MDX and FX35. How is the FX35 in snow (touring, not sport) and rain? I've read it is not as sure-footed in snow with stock tires as other AWD vehicles? Or is that just the sport version's problem? I currently drive an LLBean Outback H6 which has been flawless and unstoppable in any weather (keeping it, but need to replace another car). Can't wait another year for the 7 seater Subaru SUV...
Big 2 page ad on the inside front cover of the New (April) Road and Track. The New 4.8 X5 has 355 hp and 369 lbs ft of torque. 0-60 in 5.9 !!! I'm afraid that my FX45 is now in 3rd position. However, I don't think I will see lots of these $72,000 uber-crossovers. Just like I have seen maybe one Cayenne TT here in San Diego (driven by an old guy who will never know what he's got). But I could be wrong. Paul Newman came in 5th in a recent Trans Am race in the rain. And he's 78 years old. But definitely not the rule.
While I have not had the chance to drive our FX in winter conditions, I do believe it will perform very well. That is, as long as it is properly equipped with snow tires.
A fellow owner on another prominent FX forum made a video while playing with his FX in the snow. It was so cool to see how capable the FX was in knee-deep snow. And I think he had the 20" wheels.
I'm sure an FX owner with actual experience will share them with you...
Just got my 04 FX35 w/20 inch wheels this winter (I live in Boston). After reading some of the messages on this board I was a little concerned about handling in the snow - people buying 20inch snow tires from Canada, or 18 inch snows, etc... I've got to tell you, I've had no problems - the car runs great in the snow.
I'm in the mid-Atlantic so I haven't had more than a handfull of chances to guage the snow performance of my 45Tech this year but those experiences have been just fine - no problems (with the stock 20 inchers).
I traded in a 2001 Outback VDC H6 (basically the same vehicle as your LLBean with VDC added) for my FX and haven't noticed any degradation in snow handling ability. Also, the FX has more clearance than the Outback. Because the AWD doesn't kick in until about 15-20mph (I forget exactly what the mph is) I lock the AWD in snow however.
Actually, I think AWD is always active but it can be locked up to 19mph (I have a 2003) and then, it reverts into Auto AWD mode. It could be different in 2004 models.
there is a significant difference between locked & unlocked awd at very low speeds on ice and snow. You can tell when it detects slippage and there is a slight delay before awd kicks in and the slippage is corrected when unlocked ( in conjunction with vdc if the slippage is continued). I've played with it both ways & prefer to lock it to avoid the delay in the sensing mech. Others have posted similar results. There have been several posts here re: the fact that at start out you are in rwd (effectively) and the change is made at a certain speed to awd. It's the intelligent awd sensing that torgue is needed most with the rear wheels to get going & then awd kicks in - you avoid that process by locking it. I'm not questioning whether the intelligent awd is 'engaged' or not - it is, but it's behavior when unlocked at low speeds is essentially rwd.
Thanks for the feedback...sounds like it is OK in snow w/ stock tires. From what I have read the 2004 "snow" setting locks the AWD at 50/50 no matter what mph. A quick response by infinti to feedback they got on the 2003. My LLBean AWD doesn't even lock at 50/50.
I've test driven all the cars I'm interested in except for the FX35. An MDX salesman told me I would have to spend thousands on snow tires and new rims if I got the FX.
Time to test drive it... can't resist its looks anymore. It just needs to pass the wife's concerns w/ the rear window visibility...
I have a FX45tech 2003. If the AWD is lock it performs better in the snow and ice (NE). When AWD is lock it does not switch off after 20 mph, it stays locked in AWD.
When AWD is unlocked, then Auto Mode AWD starts off in AWD until 20 mph, then after 20mph, it switches to RWD. However, if it detects a slip, AWD automatically is engaged. It work great in auto AWD, but for slick ice conditions having AWD lock I found improved control in these adverse conditions (recovering from a spin out, or slip, for example)
I suggest you test drive it in a parking lot and test the limits in a foot of snow or on ice to experience the difference for yourself.
No need to get 20 inch snow tires.
I have a Sequoia and rear window visibility is about the same as the FX with or without passengers. I came away with the same feeling when I first sat in the FX. The rear window is sloping in the FX, compared to Sequoia that is vertical. When passengers sit in the rear in either vehicle there will be some obstruction.
My wife drives the FX45 and I am stuck with the Sequoia. It should have been the other way .
It's the Annual Auto issue. Check out the ratings pages. The FX gets almost a perfect score, except for "body hardware" integrity, whatever that is. The X5 looks like a "Danger Zone" in comparison. Or a minefield. I'm glad I got the FX. Really glad.
"Auto Mode AWD starts off in AWD until 20 mph, then after 20mph, it switches to RWD"....
I believe it is the opposite....e.g. starts out in rwd and switches to awd. Can someone clarify? The way it was explained to me is that more torque goes to the rear in any acceleration situation (coming out of a curve, starting out from a stop, etc.) and that more goes to the front wheels when in a manueuvering situation (like going into a curve). Do I have this wrong?
why doesn't Infiniti maintain a presence on these forums? I know that other manufacturers do. Specifically, Subaru does and will answer technical questions in the forums - I participated in the Outback VDC forums for a couple of years and SOA's involvement was very helpful, although it was somewhat unofficial I believe. Does Edmunds encourage manufacturer involvement?
I'm not questioning whether the intelligent awd is 'engaged' or not - it is, but it's behavior when unlocked at low speeds is essentially rwd.
Since you have experience on this, I would agree with you that it is better to lock AWD at lower speeds in such icy and wintry conditions. I was just clarifying that AWD is 'active' at all speeds. Whether the vehicle is actually powering all 4 wheels is another matter.
Auto Mode AWD starts off in AWD until 20 mph, then after 20mph, it switches to RWD
Hmmm...this was what Infiniti Consumer Affairs said for AWD FXs. I believe this was to aid in launching the vehicle faster at WOT. But then, wouldn't this behavior make the AWD Lock (2003) button redundant? Head scratching...
Oh, and I still believe that snow tires are a must for any vehicle tasked for duty in the snowbelt. Think of it this way...would you wear dress shoes in the snow/ice? Maybe you would, but wouldn't you be better off wearing snow boots or those rubber thingies that slip on your dress shoes to improve traction?
I know...me too. I've been searching for better info but what I've found is either not detailed enough or conflicting. The behavior I've noted is consistent with the opposite.
Yes, manufacturers are encouraged to participate. However, it is their own decision. Also, even though manufacturer representatives may not identify themselves as such they do follow the discussions!
thanks....I found this description too.... "From a standing start, the ATTESA system adjusts the front-to-rear torque distribution, adding 25 percent to the front wheels for a more powerful start. The system then quickly adjusts torque distribution as needed, sending up to 100 percent to the rear wheels if conditions warrant, or adjusting the front drive percentage up to 50 percent as needed. In cornering situations, the ATTESA system can detect traction needs throughout the course of a turn and react accordingly. With its millisecond response time, the system can shift toque back and forth between the front and rear wheels to help enhance stability and traction. For example, in entering a corner (under normal driving conditions), the system functions nearly the same as any rear-wheel drive car. Torque distribution is almost 100 percent rear. Once in the corner, the system is able to transfer to the front wheels that portion of the drive torque that the rear wheels can't handle. This results in outstanding, sports car-like cornering ability. When exiting the corner, torque can be quickly transferred according to the wheel spin of the rear wheels from 50:50 up to 0:100 for smooth acceleration out of the turn."
This appears to be consistent with what gauntlett was saying but it is inconsistent with what I have experienced so I'm still confused. With the awd unlocked on ice/snow, it seems to me that the rear wheel(s) breaks loose. If starting out the split is 75 front & 25 rear, wouldn't the front wheels tend to break loose??? Maybe the additional weight in front keeps that from happening? Still makes sense that locked mode (50:50) helps under those conditions. Sorry for the long post & for continuing to beat this dead horse but I want to understand this.
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I had the same issue, but it changed after a real test drive. We purchased the FX45tech 03, and never looked back or thought about the RX330 again.
I do not get to drive the car that often, why, because my wife drives it.
With the AWD lock on (transition does not occur to rear wheel drive when vehicle MPH is greater than 20), driving was excellent, similar to other 4WD vehicles.
You should test it for your self in a parking lot and you will see the difference. There is no need for 20inch snow tires for the FX45.
Can someone describe this color to me?
Is it close to a white pearl?
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And regarding the brake squeal issue, if you go to another prominent FX forum, you will find that I'm not an isolated case. I had the dealership look at it and they concur that the squealing is evident on G35s too. I'm glad that you do not have the squealing brake issue but it is an issue that does affect some of us. I will have the dealership delve into the issue again once I bring the FX in for maintenance service.
BTW, today was a rainy day here in my part of the world and the brake squeal is not there. Hmmm....
The pearlescence is much more evident when up close. It's also more evident when it's a bit dark and light kinda shines over it.
Not to be bias against the rest of colors but all the cars I have owned are all Pearl White.
My Mazda Millenia and now my Acura TLS.
This might be the next one strickly because of Utility purposes.I just don't see myself in a SUV or Ford F150.
If I don't buy the FX, I will just have to settle for another TL.
Only problem I've had with the FX after about a month of ownership is that the seat controls on the right of the driver seat dug into my hip, and I had to get the padding in the middle bolstered to find a comfortable seating position. Only time I've ever had that problem with a car seat, and I expect that wouldn't have been a problem with the RX. Otherwise, no complaints at all.
Good luck, I really don't think there is a wrong choice to make between the two.
Thank you all for your inputs. Still have not decided yet. However, I am almost certain that I will be going for the FX35. I want more of sports-feel and unique looking SUV than a pure luxury SUV. Will let you know when I actually jump the gun. Wish me luck on the negotiating - the best offer I have so far is $500 over invoice (S. Cal)
jccssc
Anyway, back to the FX...if you need utility sometimes, it's perfect. And with a cargo box, vacation luggage is not that big of a problem anymore.
The only negative I have about the TL is torque. I love the powerband of the FX and rarely take it above 4500 rpm as I get most of the power I need below that point. IF the TL was RWD and had a wider torque band it would pretty much be perfect. But the DVD-A, bluetooth and standard XM are great additions.
The Lexus is really only .5 second slower in the zero to sixty test. So in reality there is not that much of a difference in acceleration.
Of course the difference is in the nice exhaust note, the rear wheel drive on the FX, and the sportier handling.
My concern is for those of us who are puchasing the vehicle is how well will the FX hold its value. It is just meeting expectations for Infiniti and I understand they have had to sell some vehicles to Enterprise rent a car to get rid of excess models.
And we know that Lexus has sterling resale values. And the interior of the Lexus is incredible.
Boy this is a tough decision.
But yeah, if comparing to FX45, there is no contest. I think only the Porsche Cayenne TT and the Subaru Forester XT beats the 6.3 second time that the FX45 posted.
The Lexus would have the advantage in resale values since historically, Lexus have high resale values. Although, Infiniti seems to be inching up on resale values due to their current product line. If resale value is the main criteria for buying a vehicle, then the RX330 would be the better choice.
Handling-wise, the FX35 still trumps the RX330.
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alternatively i can buy a never titled dealer demo 03 FX45 with 4k miles premium pkg and 20" chrome wheels for $39k. is it worth the extra $9k for awd and the v8?
or should i look for a used $27k murano awd save another 3k and just forget the FX?
Those massively powerful FWDs really get ya. Although, the TL does a better job of quelling it. But yes, it has torque steer. Funny that when you go to enthusiast forums, most seemingly deny that torque steer exists on the TL. It may not be as evident, but it's there.
Might have one of the nicest shifters in the business.
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The TL just doesn't bring out the passion and excitement I got (and still do) when I first drove the FX...
Funny how an SUV is able to accomplish this...I still get excited everytime I get behind the wheel of the FX.
I don't think it handles or feels as good as our FX35.
It seems that Car and Driver agrees with you:
Base your performance views on curves instead of straight lines, and the Acura's shortcomings quickly become evident. Hustled through the 300-foot skidpad, the TL managed to pull 0.81 g, which is less grip than that achieved by the G35 (0.87) and the 330i (0.83). A call to the Potenza bullpen is in order. On our 10Best handling loop, where twisty roads abound, the TL couldn't attack curves with the same speed and vigor as the Infiniti and BMW, inspiring less confidence because of its heavier front-loaded nature. Balance is key here, and the Acura's 60/40 front-to-rear weight bias can't match the BMW's perfect 50/50 or the Infiniti's 53/47.
My FX35 AWD with Premium, i.e. 18" wheels, is not too far behind the 0.81 g that the TL registered. I think our FX registered 0.79 g or 0.8 g, but the FXs equipped with the sport package registers 0.87 g. Wow!
The interior of the TL and the features are fabulous for the money.
I agree...if only Infiniti can make something similar.
Think I'll test drive a g35 sedan with 6 speed if I can find one.
If and when you do, try not to buy one. Rumor has it that Infiniti may change the interior for the upcoming model year (2005?). Nissan just revamped the 2005 Altima's interior and boy, what a difference.
i tried the pad for awhile but it slipped too much.
i am about to take this guy on a 500 mi road trip and i would appreciate any help.
thanks,
I stepped on a racoon at 60MPH on TL 3.2.
That racoon made a $2000 damage on TL.
I rented FX35 from Enterprise while my TL is on work.
Wow, FX35 is really a fast car even though I felt a little bit heavy at 3rd and 4th gear.
The body roll is very small compared with RX 330. The sportsmatic is better than RX 330 (My RX 330 has sports package that includes air suspense).
Overall, FX35 feels my car except 1 flaw. The mirrors (sideviews and rear view) don't cover enough area. Thus, there are a lot of blind spots. Especially, I should be very careful when I make a lane change during heavy traffic hours.
The mirror greatly resembles the shape of early 90's Taurus/Sable.
I still have 3 more years to pay off my TL. Once I pay off my TL, FX will be my car.
Now..all they need to do is change the classification from "Crossover Vehicle" (too cumbersome) to "SV" for "Sport Vehicle", which IS what it is. :-)
Resale/TCO - I actually think the resale of the FX is pretty good. If I retailed my vehicle right now I would be about 1k upside down and I bought it on a 39 month lease with 0 down. The only car that has held it's value better was the oddy I traded for the fx where I made 500 in 4 months. I have owned my FX for close to a year and it is still worth 85% of my PURCHASE PRICE which I consider real depreciation. (40k new worth about 34 on trade).
TL/G35- The TL is nice. What I think will get my sedan money is the new M35/M45. If the interior is even close to the fuga concept that may be my next sedan. The TL has everything right except which wheels are powered and the G just needs an interior transplant. The latter will happen the former won't
BTW, I have to correct myself regarding the TL specs...the standard tires for the TL are the Bridgestone Turanzas. There is an optional tire for $200, the Bridgestone Potenza RE030, and this tire improves its roadholding to 0.89 g (per C&D $35K sedan shootout) or 0.87 g (per R&T April 2004 issue). So, the TL is an extremely capable handler given the correct set of shoes. However, you still have the torque steer to deal with. Oh well, no car is perfect.
Man, why doesn't Honda just use the S2000 RWD platform and make more RWD cars? This really perplexes me. I know it's Honda's halo car, but wouldn't they recoup more of the R&D expenses on the RWD if more vehicles use that platform? I don't get it.
I'm looking at MDX and FX35. How is the FX35 in snow (touring, not sport) and rain? I've read it is not as sure-footed in snow with stock tires as other AWD vehicles? Or is that just the sport version's problem? I currently drive an LLBean Outback H6 which has been flawless and unstoppable in any weather (keeping it, but need to replace another car). Can't wait another year for the 7 seater Subaru SUV...
Thanks in advance for your input!
Ralph
The New 4.8 X5 has 355 hp and 369 lbs ft of torque.
0-60 in 5.9 !!!
I'm afraid that my FX45 is now in 3rd position. However, I don't think I will see lots of these $72,000 uber-crossovers.
Just like I have seen maybe one Cayenne TT here in San Diego (driven by an old guy who will never know what he's got).
But I could be wrong. Paul Newman came in 5th in a recent Trans Am race in the rain. And he's 78 years old. But definitely not the rule.
A fellow owner on another prominent FX forum made a video while playing with his FX in the snow. It was so cool to see how capable the FX was in knee-deep snow. And I think he had the 20" wheels.
I'm sure an FX owner with actual experience will share them with you...
Great car.
I've test driven all the cars I'm interested in except for the FX35. An MDX salesman told me I would have to spend thousands on snow tires and new rims if I got the FX.
Time to test drive it... can't resist its looks anymore. It just needs to pass the wife's concerns w/ the rear window visibility...
Ralph
When AWD is unlocked, then Auto Mode AWD starts off in AWD until 20 mph, then after 20mph, it switches to RWD. However, if it detects a slip, AWD automatically is engaged. It work great in auto AWD, but for slick ice conditions having AWD lock I found improved control in these adverse conditions (recovering from a spin out, or slip, for example)
I suggest you test drive it in a parking lot and test the limits in a foot of snow or on ice to experience the difference for yourself.
No need to get 20 inch snow tires.
I have a Sequoia and rear window visibility is about the same as the FX with or without passengers. I came away with the same feeling when I first sat in the FX. The rear window is sloping in the FX, compared to Sequoia that is vertical. When passengers sit in the rear in either vehicle there will be some obstruction.
My wife drives the FX45 and I am stuck with the Sequoia. It should have been the other way
Best of luck !
Check out the ratings pages.
The FX gets almost a perfect score, except for "body hardware" integrity, whatever that is.
The X5 looks like a "Danger Zone" in comparison.
Or a minefield.
I'm glad I got the FX. Really glad.
I believe it is the opposite....e.g. starts out in rwd and switches to awd. Can someone clarify? The way it was explained to me is that more torque goes to the rear in any acceleration situation (coming out of a curve, starting out from a stop, etc.) and that more goes to the front wheels when in a manueuvering situation (like going into a curve). Do I have this wrong?
Since you have experience on this, I would agree with you that it is better to lock AWD at lower speeds in such icy and wintry conditions. I was just clarifying that AWD is 'active' at all speeds. Whether the vehicle is actually powering all 4 wheels is another matter.
Auto Mode AWD starts off in AWD until 20 mph, then after 20mph, it switches to RWD
Hmmm...this was what Infiniti Consumer Affairs said for AWD FXs. I believe this was to aid in launching the vehicle faster at WOT. But then, wouldn't this behavior make the AWD Lock (2003) button redundant? Head scratching...
Oh, and I still believe that snow tires are a must for any vehicle tasked for duty in the snowbelt. Think of it this way...would you wear dress shoes in the snow/ice? Maybe you would, but wouldn't you be better off wearing snow boots or those rubber thingies that slip on your dress shoes to improve traction?
I know...me too. I've been searching for better info but what I've found is either not detailed enough or conflicting. The behavior I've noted is consistent with the opposite.
tidester, host
"From a standing start, the ATTESA system adjusts the front-to-rear torque distribution, adding 25 percent to the front wheels for a more powerful start. The system then quickly adjusts torque distribution as needed, sending up to 100 percent to the rear wheels if conditions warrant, or adjusting the front drive percentage up to 50 percent as needed.
In cornering situations, the ATTESA system can detect traction needs throughout the course of a turn and react accordingly. With its millisecond response time, the system can shift toque back and forth between the front and rear wheels to help enhance stability and traction. For example, in entering a corner (under normal driving conditions), the system functions nearly the same as any rear-wheel drive car. Torque distribution is almost 100 percent rear. Once in the corner, the system is able to transfer to the front wheels that portion of the drive torque that the rear wheels can't handle. This results in outstanding, sports car-like cornering ability. When exiting the corner, torque can be quickly transferred according to the wheel spin of the rear wheels from 50:50 up to 0:100 for smooth acceleration out of the turn."
This appears to be consistent with what gauntlett was saying but it is inconsistent with what I have experienced so I'm still confused. With the awd unlocked on ice/snow, it seems to me that the rear wheel(s) breaks loose. If starting out the split is 75 front & 25 rear, wouldn't the front wheels tend to break loose??? Maybe the additional weight in front keeps that from happening? Still makes sense that locked mode (50:50) helps under those conditions. Sorry for the long post & for continuing to beat this dead horse but I want to understand this.