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Contrary to any "sales" talk you heard there are plenty of these cars around, especially if you are willing to go get one outside of your own area.
I wonder if the cancellation will drive prices up or whether there will be a fire sale with incentives to sell them out during the coming months?
Anyhow, picked the car up today, and drove it to work. Was following a loaded dump truck up the on ramp, and as soon as I had a chance, I nailed it in 3rd gear. Good thing I had her pointed in the right direction BEFORE I nailed it.... Damn car took off, and blasted by the truck, and two cars ahead of the truck before I got her whoa'ed, and back to the speed limit. It's been a LONG time since I have had that much getup and go........
I truly believe that 2006s (especially 2006) will hold their value really well unlike most other "domestic" brands. Keep it in a good shape and you'll have a keeper that will pay for itself years down the road. Cross your fingers that you won't need any parts in the meantime ;-)
Of course the GTO volume is so low the normal rules may not apply.
According to Mr. Lutz the GTO reappears in the Fall of 2008 as a 2009.
YAY for us.!
"Air bags, frontal, dual-stage driver and right front passenger"
Lutz and Waggoner say something different about the future of RWD cars every few weeks, it's almost impossible to separate fact from fiction.
There have been several articles in the last week about HOlden.
The first article states that the new VE Commodore will weigh close to 4000lbs!
And that many Holdens may be built in Korea. Not sure if that includes the VE but because of the strong Australian dollar it may no longer make sense to build cars there.
Don't know how this will impact the 2009 GTO but it whatever it does to the GTO it will probably do to the Camaro. also
thank you very much for replying. i carefully went through the 2004 silver covered brochure and could not find the reference to dual stage air bags. it is not in the 2006 brochure and not on the pontiac.com web site.
you may have a different brochure. if so, please carefully check as it is all standing between me and an 06 gto.. thanks rr70
Any opinions regarding SLP's Bobcat performance package? I'm 99% sure I'm going to buy it this spring. My one concern is: Just how loud are those loud mouth mufflers?
Finally, I wonder how long Edmunds will continue this forum.
The air bag info is on the last page (the inside of the back cover).
Have you tried calling Pontiac customer service? I'm sure the dealers are clueless.
Really nice car.
GM is lucky to stay in business in 3 years. AND build 2, 2, MUSCLE CARS..................SORRY THE 1960S AND EARLY 70S ARE OVER.I luv my 2006, but no that is it. I will try the new Dodge Challenger Hemi or the new Camaro.... But the GTO is gone . Lets face facts. The world has changed I expect to see a Hot Rod Toyota V8 soon. That is the way of the "new world". :sick:
Could it be he was reprimanded at work (GM) for giving out too much "unannounced" information? Could it be he was one of those GM laid off?
I miss his tips and insight....
Yes, there will be a new Camaro. It will be on a cheaper version of the Zeta chassis developed in Australia and underpinning the forthcoming Holden Commodore. RWD Impala, Buick sedan, and yes, GTO, are coming, following the Camaro (which should be available early in 2008 as a 2009 model).
The next-gen GTO is expected to be a late 2008 year car (2009 model year), built on a longer version of the Camaro's Zeta chassis. The real question is whether the next-gen GTO will get a Pontiac sedan sibling, or whether the GTO will be forced to perform double-duty as a quad-coupe (with styling reminiscent of the Mercedes CLS)...
It's pretty likely that GM will consolidate, rather than close, the Oshawa #1 and Oshawa #2 assembly plants in Ontario, Canada, and install a new flex manufacturing line capable of building these new RWD vehicles. I have also heard that there is a "dark horse" plan, in case this falls through (Wilmington, DE?). The Oshawa car plants (there is also a #3 truck plant making full-size pickups) have been known as GMNA's best quality plants (along with the Lansing Grand River CTS/STS/SRX plant) for years. My '96 Lumina, built at Oshawa, was pretty well screwed together for a mid-90's GM car (and very reliable... my wife's aunt is still driving it at 140+k with no major mechanical issues).
Those who think GM will be out of business in a couple of years have been listening too much to the media's "out of business" cries, and not looking at the financial facts. I work with Apple (the computer/iPod company) quite extensively, and I can't count the number of times they have been reported as going out of business in the last 10-15 years...
Sure, GM has problems, but they're not going to just disappear (and they are actively working to solve their problems - Ford, on the other hand, seems to keep shooting itself in the foot, but that's the topic for another forum).
--Robert
Don't expect to see the LS2 engine in future vehicles... it's dead by 2008, replaced with the 425+hp LS3 on the high-end, and an upgraded LS4 (303 hp V8) on the low-end. Start saving your pennies, because it's undecided if the next-gen GTO will get an LS7 option... HSV in Australia, will.
Oh, BTW, it looks like the next-generation Monaro will be built along-side the new Camaro/GTO/Impala, and exported to Oz. Australia may build their next-gen Holden Statesman large car for Buick, so at least the boats would be full going both ways...
I've researched this problem. It seems there is some info about this very problem - apparently common in Monaros ...
here's a quote about the problem from an Aussie auto mag :
"As mentioned in Drive, the seats conform well to ones bum and lower back, and the electrically adjustable pews are quite intuitive in operation - just be aware of the slight fore/aft rock that some Monaros are beset with. The steering wheel has a nice tactile quality [finished in leather] and the driving position was better than the norm too."
I've spoken with the dealer and asked them what they might do to correct it ... I'm a bit reticent to let the dealer tackle the problem. They don't have a plan and they haven't worked on seats like this before ... My local dealer might well make it worse.
Any ideas?
Nearly 5 large is probably too much to pay for this, but then, being an old guy, what else is there to spend it on, other than cruises with my dear wife?
My major concern with this mod is how loud it will be vis a vis the law. I'll let you know. I've got a feeling it's going to be awesome -- actually, it's more than a feeling . I know it will blow me away.
I'll miss this talking bunch of refined chaps here [especially Robert] on this site, who have shared our "thing" regarding the "failed" GTO.
I'll never regard it as a failure, and I plan to prove it on the road -- to Mustang, M3's, etc..
I can supercharge my '04 right now but I hate to get started on aftermarket stuff. There is no end to the $s you can invest.
As far as what deals are being offered, I was quoted at $29.9K for the black 6spd with 18" aluminums, which includes a $500 rebate, an additional $500 active duty military rebate, and $1K in "conquest money" if you currently own a non-GM car. A good deal, especially in the central CA area, but I personally am waiting to pull the trigger because I'm thinking the rebates will get better in early fall.
The other thing is .. Has anyone had problems with there K&N intake kit?? My engine light came on and the dealership had to charge me $95 to clean and reset the MAF sensor due to oil leaking from the Air filter!!!
Im thinking of the SLP performance Bobcat thing for my 04... any feedback on that kit would be great
Thanks guys and of course the all knowledgable Robert
PLEASE ALERT ANY GTO OWNERS THAT YOU MAY KNOW ABOUT THIS ISSUE. It does appear to be very serious.
this is the first thing to tick me off about the GTO.
i have not read that other forum yet but i am gathering that if i got the 18s, this problem might not have occurred, because the 18s are 235s ? whatever, i'll have to give the dealer a chance to address this, and if they can't, i will consider swapping to different wheels and non-dealer alignment shop if possible. also i will consider swapping the entire car if i conclude that a design problem is at fault.
Right now there are less than 900 '05's left on lots. You should be able to start negotiating at or around invoice price. Factor in the $2500 rebate and the $500 March madness promotion. Then, if you have GM card dollars, $1000 is the max redemption. If you have a non-GM car titled in your name, there's another $1000 conquest cash. Finally, Pontiac dealers MAY have some more "certificates" for which, up to $1000 can be used on an '05 GTO (assuming the dealer has any left). If you add it all together, some folks are getting '05's for $24-$25k + TTL.
Of course, if you try to trade in an '04, most dealers will lowball you. Best off to sell it yourself, or take it to a place like CarMax where they will buy it outright from you (but, then again, depending on your state's tax policies, you may lose any trade-in benefit in sales tax calculation).
Deals on '06's aren't quite as good right now (I think just the $500 March Madness deal). The cutoff date for ordering an '06 was last Friday, but, if you went into a dealer and placed an order this week, and identified it as "Sold", GM would probably still accept it (sold orders take precendence over dealer-requested unsold stock). The '06's will be built out until sometime in June, and will be arriving at dealers until sometime in early September. About 13,000 will be made, so Pontiac dealers should have a few GTO's through the end of the year or so (in time for the '09/'10 car to be shown late this year/early next year?)
--Robert
Secondly, there is a known issue on '04's and many '05's of the seat movement not being smooth - feels like gravel in the track. There is a TSB and a fix, though I haven't had this done yet because a) parts are backordered, and b) my car doesn't seem as bad as others that I've seen.
Rocking back and forth would indicate a problem. If I were in your shoes I would not let the dealer just work on it willy-nilly, but maybe ask to take a service advisor, or the service manager, out on a ride to demonstrate the problem, then take a new '05 or '06 out and demonstrate that it doesn't do it. It would be difficult for them to deny that this is a problem (common GM dealership service tactic) when you can demonstrate that they don't all do that...
Hope this helps,
--Robert
All three GTO owners I know who had the LoudMouth, replaced it (I know two of 'em bought the full Stainless Works system - of course, both of 'em already had SW headers), because it was simply too loud/vibrated the headliner. This would give me pause...
--Robert
Also, if you've had this problem (please document with photos and repair receipts), suggest you file a complaint at http://www.nhtsa.gov - maybe this will push GM to do something about this issue.
--Robert
Randy