Subaru Crew: Official SOA Presence (aka Patti)

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  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    something we put in the water! It is a great company to work for. They are very big on being involved in the community and support employee's voluteer efforts. I'd list the things they do, but it would be a VERY long message!

    Patti
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Maybe Subaru should be selling the stuff they put in the water. 8~)

    Jim
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I'll drink to that!

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    At least put the stuff in the STi intercooler spray. ;-)

    -juice
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    joined us a few weeks ago on the chat? Well, she has a plum assignment that we can't talk about. Suffice it to say that they are getting a woman's perspective on a certain new vehicle that is going to be on a bit of a road trip? Dang - I'm so jealous....but she's great and has earned the fun!!! I wish I could say more, but the dungeon beckons! I just spoke to her and she's VERY pleased with what she's seen so far. VERY pleased indeed. I'll have to bring her out for a long liquid lunch soon and loosen up her finger-tips before a certain Thursday chat? Maybe in two weeks?

    Patti
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Hmmm...

    Now I wonder what that could be... ;)

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    B9X!
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    well Patti, they could always be saving the B9XT for you later ;-)

    -Brian
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    Road trip?

    With any luck we'll get some spy pictures of the real thing...
  • rob_mrob_m Member Posts: 820
    have her swing by NH, so I can take it out for a spin!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    OH MAN she has got to drive south, I happen to be having an excellent Brazilian BBQ on that particular day (whenever it is) in her honor. :-)

    At least tell us where she'll be so we can tail her. lol

    -juice
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    I'll make it easy.

    West side of the river. Party at Ed's. ;)

    That way Ed can get started on the Lil Tike B9X model.

    DaveM
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    lol

    That would work, I would drive up to see it. Seriously.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Maybe Linda could do a Car & Driver-like "One Lap of America," via the Edmunds Crew address route. ;)

    Bob
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Patti,

    That's very interesting news. I know you can't divulge anything about the vehicle itself, but perhaps you could tell us what Linda's perferences are: handling, power, utility, amenities, etc.

    So when do we get called up to drive some prototypes? I'd do it for free.

    Ken
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Patti or anyone else who might know:

    I was reading through an Endwrench technical article on VTD yesterday. The article talked about the clutch pack locking the 45:55 planetary gear differential.

    Does VTD only have two modes: 45:55 and 50:50 or is the torque variable between these two end points?

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It varies more than that.

    A technical document about VDC, of which VTD is a subset, specifically mentioned that 100% of the power can go to either axle. So there isn't a limitation to how much torque transfer occurs.

    Drivetrain losses might put the physical limits at 5:95 to 95:5, something like that.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    juice,

    Just emailed you scans of the article. It looks to me 50:50 is the max. Let me know what you think.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Got that.

    It says it'll lock 50/50 when it senses slippage.

    But if you think about it, when both axles are physically locked like that, they move forward together at the same rate.

    The power will actually go where the traction is. If there is zero traction, the wheels don't spin, so really it gets zero power. The wheels with traction do all the work, so they get nearly 100% of the power.

    Well, the 5% I mentioned would be enough to turn the weight of the wheels and drivetrain.

    So a locker doesn't really distribute power 50/50, it just sends power to where the traction is.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm trying to use that site, and got this tidbit:

    Each tire gets about 25% of the available torque when the ground is level with a consistant surface.

    That implies that the actual amount of torque a tire gets will depend upon the traction available.

    So it's 50/50 with a level ground and consistent surface, but only under those circumstances.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I think some of the confusion comes from interchanging power(torque) with rotation.

    But that only answers part of my question. Does VTD have only two states: 45:55 and 50:50 from a rotational standpoint? In other words can the electronic clutch pack partially lock?

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Maybe Patti can forward that one to the engineers. I've seen detailed articles on VDC, but not VTD by itself.

    -juice
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    sure I'll be able to at least share her impressions as long as I stay away from the information that's on embargo. I'll try pushing the limits the best I can!

    Patti
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    more than listed along with Juice's opinion. But, I'll get it to some engineers ASAP and try to get you a detailed response. It probably won't happen until Monday though. My calendar is a bit booked for tomorrow.

    Patti
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Thanks, Patti. And no need to rush. It's just me being curious about my vehicle.

    Ken
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Patti-
    are there any issues on file regarding gas pumps not cutting off when filling up at the station?
    [not necessarily WRX]

    I have so far 3 episodes, but not in succession, different stations.

    ... is it just that the attendant isn't inserting the spout far in enough?

    -Dave
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Just don't top off. I've never had a problem once.

    -juice
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    I noticed the same thing on my 05 OBXT. After three "accidents", I've learned not to top-off, at all!

    Sly
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Dave lives in an area where they pump the gas for you (by law). So, my guess is that the attendant is being a bit lax and not fully inserting the pump into the inlet. I've noticed with some pumps around here (SE Wisconsin) that I have to hold the pump handle in otherwise it doesn't seem to sit right.

    -Brian
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    If it is anything like the full service stations around here the attendant will try to round it up to the nearest dollar even after the nozzle has shut off.

     The result in a lot of cases is gas on the ground.

      Cheers Pat.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    I'm always right next to the attendant to see that they don't do any rounding(s) the dollar after cut-off and I'll remain by the pump even when the attendant walks away, but more so to catch an overflow - once bitten twice shy.
    In the 3 episodes, cut-off did not occur and the juice kept flowing till overflow.

    -Dave
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    and in a quick look at cases, I'm not seeing an issue reported to us. There are no TSB's, etc. Since I'm in NJ, they do the pumping, so I haven't seen it myself. I'll keep an eye out.

    Thanks!

    Patti
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    If there is no cut off then there is something wrong with vent system in the filler pipe.

     The vent pipe is supposed to extend somewhat into the gas tank so that when the gas level comes up to the gas flowing in it will shut off.

      If the vent is too short then there will be no cutoff.

    In the early 80s I had a K car and the vent was too long, the result was total frustration trying to fill it as gas pump would shut off when the tank was only half full.

      Cheers Pat.
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    on my 05 OBXT I find that the gas shuts-off OK, but if you try to top it off at all after that, it's instant overflow.

    It looks like th first shut-off happens at darn near full capacity, and then it doesn't shut-off anymore.

    Sly
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    3 episodes out of almost 2 years with the WRX isn't bad, just that the last got me wondering.
    I'm zero out of 5 years with my '98 OB and same with the '99 OBS.

    Funny thing is, I was looking at the meter when it hit the 12 gal mark and as it rolled another 0.5 gal I thought to myself that this pump wasn't going to stop... splash...

    -Dave
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Interestingly, my 05 LGT wagon has had two cases where the auto shut off kicked in a little too late and left a tiny puddle of gas on the ground. Never happened with my 98 Forester.

    But that's two small data points -- it could also be the pump I was using too.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I'd guess it was the pumps-- I just had fuel shooting out of my Evo last Wednesday on my lunch break from a pump at a Citgo station. I had never been there before and am never going back. I couldn't help but get fuel on my cole haan loafers and was smelling it the rest of the day at my desk. I liberally applied lysol once I got home and they've been in the garage ever since until the smell goes away. :(

    ~Colin
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    I'm thinking it's not the pumps. It has happen three times to me already, at different pumps, and all are pumps that I have used regularly for the last 4 years. This has never happened to me with any other car.

    So now I make a point of never topping-off. Not a big deal since I always pmup my own gas, but makes me wonder what's different with the design of my Outback's fuel filler.

    Sly
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Sly -- if it squirts out when topping off, that is normal and I believe they warn against topping-off in the owner's manual (or maybe the sticker near the fuel filler). It is due to the way they designed the evaporative control system, and it's been this way since my first Subaru in 2000 at least (maybe longer). I never top off anymore.

    My wife's Acura manual also warns against topping off.

    Craig
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    Thanks Craig, yeah they pretty much always warn against that, but I never had problems with "rounding-up" on any other car.

    Minor thing though, now that I know about it, I never top-off.

    Sly
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Right-- I wasn't topping off. I had the trigger lock thingy down and it failed to kick off even once, resulting in fuel spewing out of the car. Spewing? Actually I had it right the first time-- shooting! Definitely a bad pump.

    I don't top off my Evo more than $.05 or so. It can't be done safely.

    ~Colin
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    what - if anything has changed. They are really tightening down on "topping off" so it may be both with the cars and the pumps. I'll post what I learn.

    Sorry about the shoes Colin!

    Patti
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I also never top off. The two times it happened, the pump clicked off, but apparently a tad too late resulting in a small pool of gasoline on the ground.

    It was interesting to know that the overflow from the tank runs somewhere down the rear wheel well and onto the ground. Unfortunatley, the inside of my Legacy reeked of gas for a few hours.

    Ken
  • sdufordsduford Member Posts: 577
    L.L. Bean is not a renowned or even well recognized brand name in Canada, so logically we never had L.L. Bean editions up here.

    Now they just introduced a Forester 2.5XS L.L. Bean Edition.

    A) they chose to first dress up the most utilitarian model in the range
    B) people will go L.L. what?
    C) they should have done a "Roots" edition instead, then people would have recognized the brand, it would have been in keeping with the car's character, and it would have been uniquely Canadain.

    Go figure...
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    A) they chose to first dress up the most utilitarian model in the range
    B) people will go L.L. what?
    C) they should have done a "Roots" edition instead, then people would have recognized the brand, it would have been in keeping with the car's character, and it would have been uniquely Canadain.

    True - but Subaru has an exisiting marketing agreement with LL Bean. Partnering with another outerwear company I'm sure would not be allowed. Besides, if the LL Bean name really is unknown in Canada, then how easy for LL Bean to gain recognition.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I hate getting gas in Jersey for that reason, they always top off and spill. Ugh.

    -juice
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Actually, I'd have been very surprised if the marketing agreement wasn't with SOA alone. FHI would be unlikely to tie it's hands to a single brand worldwide especially if that brand is only found in the US.
    SOC is a completely seperate company so I doubt they'd be held to it. I bet it's more of a cost issue.
    I'm with sduford, a Roots edition would have been great. But if it's the utilitarian model, maybe a Molson Canadian model would be more apt.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    LL Bean is a world recognized brand. I doubt that most Canadians would scratch their heads at the brand.

    Heck, you can buy an LL Bean Subaru in Japan.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Well, I'm probably wrong and maybe it's FHI who made the deal.
    Most Canadians may have heard the name before, but it means absolutely nothing to us. It may well be the same in Japan. I honestly don't know if it's more like Eddie Bauer, Land's End, Calabria or REI. So from a marketing perspective it's useless on me. Is it really a world recognized brand in that sense? First time I ever heard the name was in that song "I'm gonna get me a mail-order dog".
    Now an Abercrombie and Fitch edition - there's something with real world-wide recognition.

    Nicholas
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Most Canadians may have heard the name before, but it means absolutely nothing to us. To you or to to all Canadians? I have no idea. I'm suprised that LL Bean would be such an unknown brand in Canada.

    It may well be the same in Japan. LL Bean's 2nd biggest market after the US is Japan - it's huge in Japan.

    LL Bean is more like Eddie Bauer. Outdoorsey - just like the Outback.
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