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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • dbc123dbc123 Posts: 105
    I have a Lexus LS as well as a new 500. The LS has much more power and refinment that an Avalon. I switch between my cars frequently and do not agree at all with "alan s" assesment above. The 500 is not underpowered and CVT gives the car a delightfully smooth feel when being operated moderately - much smoother than any step gear transmission including Toyta's.
  • Ant,

     

    Just hoping for better options as fuel prices continue to climb.

     

    Do you think a diesel option would really add to the price of a vehicle? As I recall, the current Passat TDI was only a few hundred over a regular GLS (~$300.00).

     

    I know hybrid technology adds to the cost due to added materials (Batteries and Motors), and R&D costs.

     

    On Slashdot.org (I won't post a link to another forum), there was discussion on the speed mark set recently by a Toyota Prius. Discussion also included adapting hybrid technology to diesel engines to get the best of both worlds.

     

    Imagine a TDI which already gets 38-44 MPG (real world figures) with a motor boost (honda style) or full on hybrid (ala toyota) to extend MPG.

     

    I'll read up on the meta one concept...I had not heard of that one before. Should make for some interesting debate (but not on this board, lets get back on topic). Ford 500 diesel, please!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    And item catching on is Direct Fuel Injection, boosting power and fuel economy (relative to the power output).

     

    Meta One Concept I mentioned moons ago in the Freestyle forum would be the concept vehicle, that will hint at the styling of the Mercury version of the Freestyle.

     

    Here's more info...

     

    http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=19835&ma- ke_id=trust

     

    Source: Ford Media
  • In reference to my post #2117: Thanks to mschmal and others providing info about a dishonest dealer

    ad purporting to offer a deeply discounted 500 SEL. Guess it's too early to get any "cashbacks"

    or other useable discounts on the 500.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I don't think this insightful article got posted when it came out:

     

    http://www.forbes.com/columnists/columnists/2004/08/24/cz_jf_0824- flint.html
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I'm in Florida for the winter, where I keep my old Dodge van for my visits there, but my daughter is using the van, (which to my surprise is holding up very well to her abuse, I noted), and I'm renting an 05 Town Car from Hertz. As much as I like the Town Car, and think it's kinda the ultimate "rental king" on the road, (I wonder how many people don't realize you can rent of one these for $10 a day more than a Crown Victoria? - probably everyone) it's still not as "comfy" as an Explorer is, or the 500 is. I think the "Tall Sedan" is a revolutionary concept, and as I was driving my Town Car from Jacksonville, to Gainesville, to Tallahassee, and back again this past week, I was thinking, for a Sedan, this is just about as good as it gets, if the seating position was just higher...... Taa Daa!!!! 500..

    A decent Lincoln version of the 500 WITH A V-8, DAMMIT, would be awesome.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    "A decent Lincoln version of the 500 WITH A V-8, DAMMIT, would be awesome."

     

    You just have to wait until the 2008 or 2009 model year.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I plan to be around......... Thanks.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,138
    ...another review commenting on acceleration, but i noticed (again)no numbers were supplied to back up the comments.

    based on my prior ownership of some sho's, i looked up the numbers from those cars.

     '89 3.0/manual 5 spd - 3360 lbs, [email protected], 200ft/lbs [email protected]

     '92 3.2/auto 4 spd - 3600 lbs, [email protected], 215ft/lbs [email protected]

     five hundred 3.0/auto cvt - 3800+ lbs, [email protected], 200ft/lbs [email protected]

    those old sho's were pretty fast. my guess is a five hundred is not a dog compared to an sho with a passenger or 2 on board. just my opinion.
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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    But I didn't notice the 500 being slow when I drove it........
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    CVT or Six Speed? AWD or FWD?

     

    Inquiring minds want to know...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    6 speed, FWD. Had all the power I wanted all day. I believe folks forget what this car is built to be.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    Nvbanker, I think most of the complaints about acceleration are from reviewers testing the car and not from the actual prospective buyers. My guess is that most of the folks who are serious prospects for the 500 agree with you that the power is appropriate for the type of vehicle it is and its market.

     

    Also, it depends upon what you are used to driving. Someone moving into a 500 from a Vulcan equipped Taurus or a 4 cyl Camry or Accord would probably find the 500 to be quite peppy. However, compared to a V6 Accord or even a Duratec Taurus, the 500 doesn't feel very lively.

     

    If the Duratec 35 had been available from the beginning, the automotive press would likely have given the car awesome reviews.
  • harmar2harmar2 Posts: 36
    FoMoCo is sensitive to reviewers ratings, because buyers read them, and many buyers accept reviews at face value. Ratings I've read have been generally favorable except for the power factor and mileage. Ward's Auto World reports Volvo will buy a V-8 from Yamaha (which I believe made the SHO engine), and it, or a version of it, probably will find its way into Lincoln, then into lower level FoMoCo products, like the 500/Montego. But -- how many sales will be lost waiting for that V-8? FoMoCo seems never to get it right the first time. (Does Bill Gates secretly own FoMoCo?)
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I may be wrong, but I doubt you will see a V-8 in a Ford Five Hundred, at least not from the factory.

     

    A 3.5 V-6, yes. A V-8, no.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,138
    how many people would buy the volvo or lincoln v8, if you could get the same one in a ford at the same time? you are right, yamaha parts were in all 3 generations of sho engines. been there, enjoyed it :)
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  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Same people who buy the Town Car, even if it's essentially a Crown Vic/Grand Marquis. Some people might like the styling, or just want to be seen in something a bit different.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    ...there seem to be fewer and fewer people who will buy American prestige brands just to get the prestige label. That crowd seems mostly to have moved on to Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, etc. Though Cadillac is having some success at getting them back---but not by selling them gussied up Chevy's...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    That's all very true, John, however, they are charging good money for their "non-chevies" too. I'm ok with the Town Car being a gussied up Crown Vic, if it's priced accordingly, and still quite nice. I like a value proposition, because I won't plunk down $100,000 for a Benz. I mean how MUCH more better will that S-class ride, really? There's a point of diminishing return for me, and it all becomes just "costly apparel". I'm comfortable at what Lincoln has been - we need product right now, or I may have to go to Lexus, but I'm not going to pay a fortune for a Caddy, because the radio is still from a Chevy.
  • harmar2harmar2 Posts: 36
    The Ward's piece said the Yamaha V-8 is a very compact version. It had to be to fit into the Volvo platform and keep the crush zones intact.

     

    Since the 500/Montego allegedly weigh 3800#, maybe FoMoCo would consider the V-8. The use of a single platform for the 500/Montego/Freestyle suggests an effort to keep costs down.

     

    Re: Americans looking to foreign manufacturers for upscale products, either Motor Trend or Ward's made that exact point. Such buyers see "prestige" in a foreign, not American, car. That should give pause to American manufacturers.
  • podpod Posts: 176
    As a satisfied Sable owner I took the Montego (6 spd, fwd) for an extended test drive. In almost everyway except one it was a better looking, better appointed car with a much better seating position and better brakes and chassis. It was however so underpowered that I had the dealer check to see if the transmission was slipping. The 6 spd transmission has a first gear that lasts only a seconds or two and then a huge valley until the next gear kicks in. The road noise is less than Sable but the engine sounds come thorugh loud and clear like a straining, weak 4 cylinder and that noise comes through. Since it is the same 203 hp v6 engine as the prior sables I assume the significantly greater weight (500-700 pounds depending on awd or not)is the culprit. I am no speed demon but for this kind of money I want some pick up and pleasant sounds. I prefer my sable for these reasons and will wait for more power to be optional.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    You might want to test drive a car with the AWD or a FWD with the CVT (if you can even find the latter, supposedly the SE is available with the CVT, but just try finding one). Acceleration is much improved, but seems to be slower! :)
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    If you want bigger than your Sable, but still powerful, the new Avalon will have 280 horses. Pricing compared to the 2004 is expected to rise slightly, but equipment levels have been increased, and so the vehicle will be a better value. I'd say a comparably equipped model compared to the Montego will be about $1000-$2000 higher. Neither the 500 or Montego offer many of the items on the upper-level new Avalons, so look to compare the XL, Touring, and lightly optioned XLS 05 Avalons to these Fords.

     

    Additionally, the 2006 Impala will be available soon, with a 240+ 3.9L V6 that is expected to be fairly fuel efficient, and GM has promised a better interior. If the Cobalt is any indication, I see no reason not to believe.

     

    Just a few upcoming alternatives.

     

    ~alpha
  • gussguss Posts: 1,181
    I was walking the dealers lot on Sunday and they had several 500's. My first impression was very favorable. I have seen pictures of it and did not really like it but in person it looks alot like the old Audi A6 ( a good thing).

     

    One was parked next to an '05 Taruas, I did not know they were still making these, and the 500 looked huge. Much taller and wider. All the ones on the lot had 17" wheels, really giving it a presence.

     

    Just looking at the stickers the 6 speed transmission models are cheaper and get better gas mileage(29 highway)than the CVT. What is the purpose of the CVT, are they quicker? The 6 speeds listed at $22,500, not a bad deal for th size of the car.

     

    Of course after I leave the lot I saw my first one on the road. I read most of the reviews that slammed it but I am starting to like it. Now I have to actually sit in one to check out the headroom.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    According to the Jan. '05 Consumer Reports, the 500 has only 1/2 inch more front and rear seat head room than a Chrysler 300, even though the 500 is 4 inches taller. I guess Ford figured that making you sit up high was more important than giving you added headroom. I've seen this before in various Ford vehicles, going back over 20 years, where the driver's seat will not adjust low enough to suit me.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    The 2006 Impala SS will have a 303 hp 5.3L V8. I wonder if Ford would consider giving a version of the Five Hundred the same V8 that the Lincolns will hopefully get. I wish that the Five Hundred had the strong engines that the 2006 Impala will get.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    What is the purpose of the CVT? Better fuel economy and stronger and smoother acceleration. EPA figures are based on a government sanctioned test run that is not at all indicative of real life automobile usage. In the real world, the CVT DOES get better mileage, especially in town.

     

    Ford cares about the environment, not just EPA figures that aren't even close to repeatable in the world where cars function, not a test laboratory.
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    A V-8 producing more HP and Torque in a Five Hundred? - it sure won't be one with a CVT - the current CVT just about handles the torque of the 3-liter which is why there is no rush to put a 3.5L with greater torque in the Five Hundred - Montego anytime in the "immediate" future.

    The manufacture of the 3.5L (Duratec-35) is not scheduled until the end of 2005 and even then it is destined for other Ford products.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The next Aviator will be the first to debut the Duratec35, after that, it'll be phased into many more products and kill off some other engine families.
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