Best Values for the money. various catagories.
harrychezt
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I checked out the Fusion, G6 and Sonata sedans, and to me, most for money(I should say) is Hyundai.
No leather for the G6 sedan, at any price.
No 8 way seat adjusters...on LX, on sale, for about 19-20K,(man, that saves the front part of my legs on long drivers, being able to lower/raise that front part of the lower seat cushion, especially since the seat cushions these days seem sort of short on length).
No tilting headrests.
No auto manual shifter(fusion I tested did not have one. Is this available on Fusion?).
Among other items. Yes, LX has that telescopic steering column, and the adjustable brake pedals, etc, like others have.
So, I dunno. Sonata had 235HP, 221 for Fusion, and 200HP for G6 sedan.
Add the warranty that last for ever.
Difficult for us to justify buying a vehicle that has less content for same msrp(on sale, or not)> they are all about 1000 apart, on any given day/sale.
I think G6 does not have leather? At any price.
The G6 coupe looks good, but no hatch, so to me, it has no advantage over a sedan.
Caliber: here's another vehicle. great at 15,899 or so, with SE, automatic and cruise. Add sunroof,etc, you are forced to the mid level model, which is 2K more before adding any other options, like sunroof.
That alone could make it about 2,750 more, where as if it were available as an option on the base SE, it would only cost around 16,600 or so, still a bargain. HHR, is it better, on sale? It seems shorter on headroom with sunroof.
I dunno.
You get the idea.
I would like something else, but when i compared the std and available options list to Hyundai.....
I dunno.
Hmmm, maybe when Geely or Visionary vehicles(malcholm bricklin's Chery company) get here, and 4-5 years under their belts, we can all get 40K type cars for 25K?
No leather for the G6 sedan, at any price.
No 8 way seat adjusters...on LX, on sale, for about 19-20K,(man, that saves the front part of my legs on long drivers, being able to lower/raise that front part of the lower seat cushion, especially since the seat cushions these days seem sort of short on length).
No tilting headrests.
No auto manual shifter(fusion I tested did not have one. Is this available on Fusion?).
Among other items. Yes, LX has that telescopic steering column, and the adjustable brake pedals, etc, like others have.
So, I dunno. Sonata had 235HP, 221 for Fusion, and 200HP for G6 sedan.
Add the warranty that last for ever.
Difficult for us to justify buying a vehicle that has less content for same msrp(on sale, or not)> they are all about 1000 apart, on any given day/sale.
I think G6 does not have leather? At any price.
The G6 coupe looks good, but no hatch, so to me, it has no advantage over a sedan.
Caliber: here's another vehicle. great at 15,899 or so, with SE, automatic and cruise. Add sunroof,etc, you are forced to the mid level model, which is 2K more before adding any other options, like sunroof.
That alone could make it about 2,750 more, where as if it were available as an option on the base SE, it would only cost around 16,600 or so, still a bargain. HHR, is it better, on sale? It seems shorter on headroom with sunroof.
I dunno.
You get the idea.
I would like something else, but when i compared the std and available options list to Hyundai.....
I dunno.
Hmmm, maybe when Geely or Visionary vehicles(malcholm bricklin's Chery company) get here, and 4-5 years under their belts, we can all get 40K type cars for 25K?
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Have not looked into it very much, other than the ad/msrp.
Again, what would you consider a great value in certain classes of vehicle, and too much for one?
Caliber with 300HP, rumored to be 23K msrp is a bargain,maybe best buy of any similar crossover, if it is true.
172HP Rt for nearly 21K? Compared to this 300HP turboed version> Not such a good deal?
It also depends on MPG, if that is what you are looking for, or just a useful vehicle , for low price(the under 16K Caliber is a good choice).
Best, New& Improved, Worlds greatest, etc, in advertising is called "Puffery", if i recall correctly. Just words they use to garner your attention to an ad or whatever.
Anyhow, to your, what is a best value? Content/price combo(of course, gotta last awhile, too, otherwise price/content are worthless). MPG?
"What's currently cool"(or, as they used to say," Trying to keep up with the Joneses").
Resale value( lot of people drive cars 3 years, and dump them, I have found out).
We Try to pay ours off, and maybe keep them 1 year after pay off, or longer.
Curious as to see what people say!
Take Care-Not Offense.
Well you guessed it, this morning traveling on the highway with the babies in the car and without a warning light ever coming on, the car just died. Well she had to wait for the flatbed for hours, then someone to pick her up, when she finally made it in 6 hours later I found out about it. She said they had found a progblem with the electronics and the altenator and the battery were toast for sure. So the "most for the money" is not always the "best value".....
A polaroid photo of the car on the flatbed, affidavits from the lady and anyone else in the car, a character recommendation from her minister, and the name of the dog of the tow truck driver.
Or, we could accept that this sort of thing happens occasionally. I don't think any make and model is immune from it, and I don't see any reason not to accept the story at face value.
-Mathias
Subcompacts: best value here, I think is not quite here yet. Once the Fit arrives, assuming it is about $13K for the base model as expected, I think that will be the number one. As for right now, the xA is the best value if you are spending $14K or so, whereas at the $10-12K mark I think it is the Accent, just because of the warranty and the overall driving experience. The Aveo comes close, but no cigar, and the warranty isn't anywhere near as good, for what is basically just another Korean car.
Compact: probably Focus right now, based on real-world transaction prices. The Corolla comes close, but the Focus is a bit nicer in some ways and a bit less expensive too. Plus, doesn't Focus have its own special longer-than-Ford warranty? The Civic, while a very nice car, is much more expensive, and has one or two odd features for my tastes. Cobalt is perfectly average, and with prices coming down for the '06 MY, is a good value too. This race for bext value is close.
Midsize: I have to say, the '06 Sonata is pretty impressive. Barring stories like the one above, they seem to have really got their act together, the warranty is still super-long, the interiors are on par with or better than many of the competitors. The drive is decent, I have discovered. I think the cheaper '06 Camrys give it a run for its money right now, only because the new model is a few weeks out and dealers are dishing out rock-bottom prices on '06s. Once that's over, Sonata is a clear winner. I do think the Accord is a good value too, but it is clearly more expensive to get into. And I like the Fusion in some ways, although stuff like partial-power seats makes me wonder why they only went 90% rather than 100. Malibu, uh uh.
Large cars - the Impala is the least expensive in the class, but screams rental and feels cheap even after the revamp. I haven't seen an Azera yet, can't say there. The Avalon is a great value if you are willing to spend more, but are mostly being built with lots of options and packages in typical Toyota style, so are quite expensive. The Lacrosse is kind of icky to sit in, and the rental I drove felt loose - the Impala is a better drive, as is the Avalon. The Lucerne is much nicer inside, quite impressive, although it should be given the price tag. Haven't driven it. The 300 has too much hard plastic for the price, drives well though. Hate, I mean HATE, the lack of outward visibility in that car. Is there a clear value winner in the large car segment? I don't know. Perhaps it is the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis, which I am happy to say I have never been near in person. I bet they sell for cheap though, and if you're going to suffer a cheap interior, at least you should get a cheap price with it.
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Acura easily has the best priced, most technological advanced all around premium cars money can buy in each segment.
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do I really need to say anymore ???? This discussion is closed. :P J/K
Rocky
P.S. The Sonata being classified as one is a joke. right ? :surprise:
Nope. Wishbone front, multi-link rear, piles of interior room, 16 million airbags, power-happy aluminum-block 2.4, short gearing on the manual, all for about $17k. $20k gets you a V6 and 5-speed slushbox.
Rocky
Acuracar of all time - the Integra.I don't think you could get 3 people across comfortably in the back seat of it. But then one of my buddies has an '04 Crown Vic, which is probably the widest passenger car around these days. And you can't get 3 people across comfortably in it, because of the big driveshaft hump, the way the wheel arches cut in a bit, and the contouring of the seats.
I think with large cars, I'd narrow it down to a 300/Charger, Avalon, Lucerne, or 500/Montego as good values, if interior space is a concern and you don't go too hog-wild on features. Although the RWD on the 300/Charger makes the center position of the back seat uncomfortable, so I think of it more as a roomy 4-seater. Avalon and Lucerne seem roomy all around, and both have nice interiors. The 500/Montego is also roomy, and has almost a limo-like back seat. But I find legroom up front to be lacking. More like a 70's pickup truck, with a high seating position, but not a lot of room to stretch out.
I don't consider the Impala to be a large car. Sorry, but if I can't fit in the back seat of it, it AIN'T a large car! But that's just the curse of the W-body...they've always been short on legroom, IMO. Even their old GM-10 ancestors were lacking here.
(whatever the hawg wash slogan is) was actually referring to a Acura. :P
Rocky
(whatever the hawg wash slogan is) was actually referring to a Acura
I have to take issue with you here.
They are both very well built cars but Toy/Lex defnitely have the edge in quality.
They are both comparable when new, Toyota and especially Lexus holds up better over time than their Honda/Acura counterparts - with the exception of the Teg.
How well you take care of it is really more important than whose name is stamped on the valve cover/engine shroud/whatever.
Joe baught a BMW 325Ci coupe. I'm not sure if Justins Camry is still running since he traded it in for a BMW 525 a few years back.
As far as Lexus goes my friend Doris's ES300 looks good on the inside and outside but is starting to blow white smoke and eating oil. I believe she said it had 140K on it.
Rocky
"Car Gods" taught him a lesson.
Rocky
Once a car is that old, it's fine with me if they use some oil, and despite their oil-drinking proclivities, most really old Hondas (more than 200K miles) still run sweet and smooth despite the miles.
And andre is right - beyond 100K miles, it has a lot more to do with the care and maintenance than it does with the manufacturer, as to which cars are still going strong and which ones have begun to falter. Before the 100K mark, I would say it has more to do with the manufacturer.
But I thought this thread was about new cars and the best values out there?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
"Entry Level" luxury; Volvo S40, Saab 9-3, Acura TSX.
Mid-size sedans; Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Ford Fusion V-6, Hyundai Sonota LX, Hyundai Azura GLS, and Mazda 6.
Mid-size coupes; Monte Carlo SS, Toyota Solara, Honda Accord.
Mid-sized luxury; Acura TL, Infiniti G35, Lexus IS350.
Full size; Dodge Magnum/Charger, Chrysler 300.
Sports cars; Chevrolet Corvette, Nissan Z
Roadsters; Mazda MX-5, Ponitac Solstice.
Sporty coupe; Pontiac GTO, Ford Mustang, Infiniti G35, Mazda RX-8.
Semi-sporty coupe; Acura RSX, Mitsubishi Eclipse.
Chick car; Scion TC, Hyundai Tiberon.
Pickup; Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger.
SUV; Infiniti FX, Nissan Murano, Toyota 4-Runner.
Big SUV; Chrysler Pacifica, Cadillac Escalade, Hummer H1.
Real SUV; Jeep Wrangler, Nissan Xterra.
Cute-Ute; Toyota Rav-4, Saturn Vue, Honda Element.
Mini-van; Toyota Sienna, Nissan Quest, Honda Odyssey.
Sports sedans small; CTS-V, M3, C55 AMG.
Sport sedans medium; STS-V, S-type 4.3, M5.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I would toss Azera (by the way, no GLS trim, only SE and limited) into the full size category; Sonata too if so chooses, since it does meet the large sedan requirement
You go to any Hyundai fan site, and it is 99% guys, 300-400 members, maybe 10 are women.
Chick car? Well, I dunno.... VW's seem to have the most amount of females driving them the one's I see. when a male is driving, it is usually the VW Beetle(new) and Black in color(never any other). Have only seen 2 guys driving any VW.
Tiburon? 75% guys, from what I have seen.
tC? Do not know the specific stats, but at work, 2 guys own a tC, and one lady(1 out of 3 owners is female in this instance).
Sonata: it seems to be about 50/50, in my area, but on almost any Hyundai/kia fan site, 90-95% of owners are men.
Go to the service centers, men are there.
Same for Scion . tC, xB, almost always men at the serivce center.
Maybe some research, when I get a chance, to find percentages of buyers.
Cobalt, on the other hand, I have only seen 1 guy out of 15 cobalts here. My neighbors got one, for the woman of the household -to drive to work and back- a grey colored model, in fact.
I have seen about 50/50 for mix of buyers, for the Mitsubishi Eclipse , the newer model.
I know more young women buy the Corolla than the tC!
If my local Toyota/Scion sales person is correct.
take care, not offense.
PS: I read an article about the 1973 CVCC(now called Civic), and Women were the main buyers, due to the reliability and MPG :surprise: !
Wonder if that still holds true?
I see mainly women driving the G6, and only guy I saw was driving the G6 Coupe, blue color.
I live in SW Ohio. Your demographics(or whatever) may be different, and only guys drive G6 sedans, adn women drive only Magnums?
LOL
Just kidding. hey, to me, drive what you like.
Someone doesn't like it? Tell them you will drive whatever they think you should drive, as long as they make the payments. That usually works
Take care/Not Offense.
Well since I'm feeling kind I will buy you a Ford Fiesta and will make the payment for you.
Rocky
Going back, on the day dad picks up his brand new 82 Olds 98, take us to a ball game an hour and a half from home. Engine throws a rod. Learned a few new words that night on the side of the road.
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That is, affordable coupes that usually look wild but act mild and are pitched at those who want something cool-looking but don't have a lot of money.
Now, when you're talking the Ford Festiva, come about 1988 or so, you're talking an entry by Kia Motors of South Korea, and now you're cookin' with some strong utensils nearby, rockylee.
It was a very reliable little rig for the thousands and thousands of Americans who bought one to enjoy, and it rang the first "Kia Motors" bell I had ever heard. It battled the Chevy Sprint fiercely.
The rest is history, as many have said.
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Rocky
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Hey Rocky, I'll take you up on that. Make mine a Fiesta RS:
Rocky
Now he's in the Camry and Mom has a Subie Outback. Or the 'Outie' as she calls it. That replaced a 99 Malibu.
It is very painful for him to admit, but their current cars are far superior to the GM ones that they replaced in terms of comfort, features and styling. Like I said he was a loyal GM man despite problems on some of their products:
The one Olds I mentioned that blew the motor.
Another Olds ate 2 transmissions.
Yet another went through axles.
One of the Caddy's was burning oil so he ditched it.
And these were not high mileage cars when the problems occured. Dad was one of those that traded every 2-3 years. Thats changed now that he's closing in on retirement.
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My friend had bought a white 1999 Kia Sephia and I asked him what he thought. He could have told me that it drove like the yellowest Yugo on the planet and I still would've looked into test driving my own 1999 Kia Sephia sedan. Really, there was more design intelligence in that 1999 Kia Sephia than the entire Ford lineup put together from 1970 to 1999.
I did and the rest is recorded down in history for automotive junkies to feast upon. The Japanese and the South Koreans both have the ability to concentrate on and produce into production solid and cool little cars.
History. It's a strong, solid thing. Watch Kia and Hyundai dominate the world automotive market. It will be fun.
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Rocky
Me, I think another value leader is Scion. All Toyota inside and out at Kia prices. If they have a model that meets your needs, they are one of the best deals going.
I was watching this new show on prime-time last night - either Fox or NBC, I forget which - which is about this youngish guy that works for an airline, and he drives an xB! I chuckled.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
But for someone on a tight budget, it probaly fits the bill perfectly. It's also got that "cool" factor going for it to! Would like to drive it once to see if it can indeed get out of it's own way.
The Sandman
hehehehe....well, I've been fairly won over as another Kia fan. Ended up pulling the trigger on an '06 Rio5 hatch, almost 1300 miles on it already and I've had it a week. :surprise: Well, I did take it on a quick road trip I had planned well in advance, didn't know I'd be trading the old ZX2 in before I left though! So far so good, I really like the car. Smooth on the highway, not luxury car supple but taut and controllable, and bumps are handled nicely. It's very nimble in town as well. We'll see how she does on the long haul, but it's certainly tightly screwed-together, they put a lot of thought into the design and engineering. It's miles ahead of what they were doing a few years ago. Won't be long and I'll have her in for her first oil change at 3K...
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BTW, Todd, in the size of car I like the one you bought could very well be the best value on the planet for what you paid. This latest round of Kia's steps them up and at least equal to Toyota/Scion's in the same range, IMHO.
The Scion xA or the Kia Rio5 or the Kia Rio LX sedan are my current front-runners for futures.
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Or did you drive an automatic? C'mon, you can admit it! ;-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
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