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  • obiwankenobi1obiwankenobi1 Member Posts: 290
    Is the 3.6L motor with the 251hp supposed to be available?

    I have been in love with the looks of the CTS since someone in my parking lot got a new one. It is black/gray, with auto and no roof and not the sport package. Beautiful, but I would need the 17" wheels, a manual and a sunroof....Oh yeah, and DEFINATELY black! :)

    Obi
  • fav002fav002 Member Posts: 25
    like this?...


    -FAV002

  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    Next stop is probably the Seville as it will probably be a while before CTSs outsell the Deville. I think the Deville has been the best selling Caddy for nearly 50 years and has been the best selling luxury model most of those years as well. Once other variations on the CTS come out(i.e. the V series, a wagon, coupe, etc) topping Deville sales should be no problem.
  • typeamantypeaman Member Posts: 17
    On the way home from work a loud valve clicking like sound started from under my hood. I drove to the Caddy shop. While driving in to the service parking spot, the service manager actually got out of his seat when he saw the 2 week old cts driving up with the sound of a rice picking machine. I checked the oil...oil level is fine. Will my car ever be the same( If there is a metal to metal problem )?? Oh god... The service guy said he will call in the morning...I can't wait! Has anyone else had this problem?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    It would be interesting to see what a CTS wagon would look like.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    Sounds like a broken valve lifter. These things happen with an overhead valve engine, but they should never happen to a new engine. Probably a bad valve lifter part to begin with. And yes, they can fix it.
  • noshonosho Member Posts: 119
    will supposedly be available summer of 2003.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    Well, I found out my CTS was built yesterday. I wasn't too crazy about getting a "Monday" car, but oh well. I should take delivery on or about Oct. 1.
  • eaton53eaton53 Member Posts: 356
    Angular cars usually translate into great wagons. If they ever build it, I will want one very badly.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    CTS is an overhead came engine.
    It could be a broken valvespring.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Monday car is better than a Friday car.
  • tvdirectvdirec Member Posts: 22
    Can anyone tell me when GM begins to offer XM satellite radio as a factory installed option on the 2003 CTS? Cadillac.com shows it's available but the dealers I've talked to here say they can't order it yet?? Anyone know anything about this? Thanks in advance.
  • obiwankenobi1obiwankenobi1 Member Posts: 290
    EXACTLY what I want (just add a sunroof, and I'm in!)!

    Thanks for the pics! Just made me drool some more. What kind of deals are they offering on these things right now? I built one that was exactly what I wanted, and MSRP was $38K!! What could I REALLY get it down to? $35K?

    Just happy to finally see a Caddy that makes me (28 years old) not feel like I am not looking at an old man's car (no offense to older Caddy drivers, please! I have always liked Caddy's! Just didn't think they were for me!)

    Obi
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    Looks like the web site is showing the "rolling" upgrade of the radio to reflect XM. www.gmbuypower.com has not caught up yet to reflect the change.

    There are two things of note. First, XM only comes with the Navigation system, so you have to buy that in order to get satellite radio. Ouch. No word if the Nav system is now DVD based or not.

    Second, a new feature for both the Nav system and the in-dash-6-CD changer system is the addition of Bose's noise cancellation system. This feature is currently in BMW's but it is now showing up in this application.

    It looks like the rolling change was made this week. Since my car was just built yesterday, and I ordered the old in-dash-6-CD changer radio, I'm really curious which radio my CTS shows up with.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    It also looks like whomever was saying that the 17" polished wheels no longer came with the CTS LuxSport was partially right. There is a new 17" wheel described as "machined bright finished". The "mirror polished" wheels are now an option. Since I ordered a Luxury Sport package, now I'm REALLY interested in what wheels this car shows up with, as well as the radio.

    The only other obvious changes seem to be that the old exterior "Sterling" color has been replaced by "Light Platinum". Also, the "Dark Pewter" interior color has been replaced by "Ebony". Since I ordered Dark Pewter, again, I'm very curious as to what kind of car is going to show up.
  • baron87baron87 Member Posts: 93
    Don't worry, about it being a "Monday" car. CTSs production is almost completely automated, and there is virtually no human/CTS contact during CTS production. Haha...so there should be no difference at all in build quality.
  • tvdirectvdirec Member Posts: 22
    What is a rolling upgrade? I noticed the change on the website last Wednesday. Looks like GM is making a couple of changes to the sound system with XM and the addition of the cancellation system. That might be the reason for the delay. I didn't want the navigation system but I do want XM so I guess I'll have to cave.
  • wwhite2wwhite2 Member Posts: 535
    I think you are really taking a chance to believe the wisdom of any service people . Normally they sound like they know what they are talking about( They will throw the jargon around )but their advice is NOT based on any facts . You are just getting their subjective opinions. None of them have any engineering background but they think they do and their sage advice can cost you lots of money. Really WHAT do they know about the properties of petroleum vs synethic oils ??
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    A "rolling upgrade" means an mid-model year change to a car. Usually it involves options, like a color change, radio or other feature. Sometimes the upgrade is more significant. Since the 2003 CTS model year covers about 18 months, rolling upgrades can be expected.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    I don't like that you have to get the navigation system to get XM. XM should be optional regardless of which audio system you have.
  • typeamantypeaman Member Posts: 17
    The Service rep said they think the clicking sound is a "bad bearing or something" that will have my car in the shop a week or more. Stay tuned...updates to follow...
  • goodwrench1goodwrench1 Member Posts: 4
    I ordered a CTS last night, 9/16, with the luxury package and Option U2V Navigation system. The dealer called me the following afternoon and said the nav system was not being installed on anymore 2003 CTS' and I would have to decide whether I wanted to delete it from my order or he would check other dealers for a comparably equipped CTS. He didn't find one exactly how I ordered. I called the Cadillac customer service line and they said the nav system was available. Has anyone run into a similar situation? Do you think the dealer is just trying to push existing inventory? I'm tempted to just cancel the order and go to my next choice dealer.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    It may be the fact that the Navigation system package changed since the radio changed. It may be a different Option designation now, which is probably confusing them. If you ordered the car now, you probably will likely get the new Nav system with the XM radio feature. Make sure they know this and get the new Option designation. The old "U2V" probably isn't in their system anymore.
  • tgp1810tgp1810 Member Posts: 112
    Has anyone noticed that the speedometer in the picture that is supposed to show the XM radio goes up to 260 mph?
  • bingomanbingoman Member Posts: 373
    That's probably to allow for the switch to metric kph. Where did you see this photo?
  • tgp1810tgp1810 Member Posts: 112
    Its not that big of a deal...just pointing it out. I thought that the little light said MPH - but maybe I was wrong.


    http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/popups/zoom/cts/images/Large_Int7.jpg

  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    The CTS site on www.cadillac.com also has a small dashboard picture of what looks like a Deville. Whoever does this site doesn't seem to know much about the cars...


    http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/cts/standard.html

  • goodwrench1goodwrench1 Member Posts: 4
    Does anybody happen to know the option code for the new Navigation system with the XM satellite radio feature that replaces the code U2V system? My dealer doesn't seem to know about it. Also, what is the list and/or invoice price if known? The new system doesn't appear in the Edmund's site option list. Is it in current vehicle production?
  • bingomanbingoman Member Posts: 373
    The mph is on the left, and the kph is on the right on my speedometer, but the numbers don't change when I switch from mph to kph or vice versa. My speedometer only reads to 160.

    I wonder if the markings have been changed in anticipation of the ctsi or the V version.
  • mcgreenxmcgreenx Member Posts: 179
    Glad to see the dealer was giving me good info on the LuxSport wheel downgrade. I checked Edmunds and one other site and didn't see the change. Where did you find it? Also, what is the cost of the polished option. That is the extent of the price increase.
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    Right now, it seems the only information about the change is at cadillac.com under the "standard and optional" section of the CTS site. But it doesn't give option codes or prices. Just that the change was made. gmbuypower.com which usually gives the detailed pricing information hasn't caught up.


    I suspect the dealers can call someone and find out. So far, there isn't any detailed information on the new wheel option, the new radios, or the color changes.


    http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/cts/standard.html

  • mannytrannymannytranny Member Posts: 175
    Hi y'all,
    When will the 2004 CTS model be introduced? Since there already have been price increases will there be even more?

    goodwrench1 Did you cancel the order from Sept. 16 or let it stand?Checked with my dealer and he has no info on the changes shown on the website.

  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    Somehow a Deville DTS interior picture got in there.
  • tvdirectvdirec Member Posts: 22
    I spoke to my dealer this afternoon. He told that GM will begin production in mid-October with the new DVD Navigation system. He received an order code number for the option but didn't get pricing from GM for the option. He still hadn't heard anything about XM radio but thought it was still part of the navigation package.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Nothing street legal will go above 220, not even the mighty CTSv!
  • bingomanbingoman Member Posts: 373
    220 Kilometers/hour is only 137.5 MILES/hour. Still think nothing street legal can do it?
  • baron87baron87 Member Posts: 93
    220.0 km/h equals 136.7 miles/h or 137.0 miles/h if you want to get technical with significant figures.
  • goodwrench1goodwrench1 Member Posts: 4
    My salesman happened to call me today to let me know the dealers received a Bulletin that the U2V Navigation system was being replaced by the new DVD Nav system with XM radio and would be available in production early October. He did not yet have an option code or price and said he would call me when available. I therefore told him to keep my order open with the option change to be made when the code is available. He'll then place the order. As sevenfeet0 said, they were confused with the radio change. I'll post the option price when my salesman notifies me. I think the new system will be worth the extra wait.
  • dj204dj204 Member Posts: 1
    Did the TMV decrease for the 2003 CTS, I could of sworn it was 28,990 and now its decreased or am I wrong.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    Any idea what the DVD navigation system with XM will cost? I still think XM SHOULD be available(it really should be standard) without the navigation system.
  • candlbuffcandlbuff Member Posts: 11
    I spoke with a Cadillac salesman about 10 days ago, and my personal friend who is a Chevrolet salesman about three weeks ago. Both of them told me that the XM radio option is a $325-$350 option. This sounds right to me, because if you price aftermarket XM radio units etc.,they start at around $300.

    It doesn't sound right to me that Cadillac would force anyone to purchase the Nav system just to get XM radio. After all, the other GM divisions aren't doing this, and GM is a big investor in XM.

    Can somebody else verify what I heard?
  • tvdirectvdirec Member Posts: 22
    Hey Oldsman01...I spoke to my dealer yesterday and he told me pricing has not been set for DVD Navigation with XM. He did tell me production for this option will begin in mid-October. He said he had the option code number to order but not the pricing.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I think GM only owns 10-20% of XM, not really that much.
  • typeamantypeaman Member Posts: 17
    The dealer called me on the phone and told me what the clicking sound was. The #6 cylinder had worn through the sleeve and had damaged the engine block. He said they are going to replace the whole engine. My cts had 700 miles on it. Some guys at work said I should ask for a new car...what do you think?!
  • sevenfeet0sevenfeet0 Member Posts: 486
    Depends on your feelings and your local lemon laws. In most cases, since this is a first time problem (despite being catastrophic), the dealer is doing the right thing by replacing the entire engine. If the car ended up having other major problems in addition to this, then they probably should take the car back.

    Since the replacement on a brand new engine is something that only the Cadillac Regional Service manager could likely approve anyway, most likely your situation has been discussed with several people in GM. I'd be curious to know as to whether this is an isolated incident or whether they've seen this before. After all, my CTS shows up in a week. :-)
  • baron87baron87 Member Posts: 93
    That's incredulous!! Wow, I am really taken back that such a ridiculous problem happened to your CTS. The Opel Engine has really been the main point of failure in the CTS so far. That's unfortunate. I'd ask for a new car; it'e never going to be the same if the dealer installs a new engine into the existing vehicle.
  • babyloubabylou Member Posts: 31
    "The #6 cylinder had worn through the sleeve and had damaged the engine block."

    The CTS engine has a cast iron block so the "cylinder", "sleeve", and "block" are one in the same. They cannnot wear through each other. Something smells fishy here!
  • goodwrench1goodwrench1 Member Posts: 4
    Has anyone had chance to drive a CTS in the snow season last winter? I know not many were on the road at that time, but was wondering how the Traction Control performed on snow loaded roads.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Member Posts: 1,203
    Sorry to hear that, but at least they were pretty quick to resolution on your problem. I'd get the new engine then inspect the car closely and drive it over a variety of conditions to be sure if feels the same and everything was put back together properly. I don't think they are bad engines, but those Opel engines were a source of problems in the Catera. I think I'll wait until 2004 when the CTS gets a new(US made) Cadillac engine.
  • robh3robh3 Member Posts: 157
    I really don't think getting a whole new car is an option. I read over on the Lexus board about an RX300 owner whose transmission experienced a 100%, non-reparable failure at less than 250 miles! Of course, he was pissed and felt he should get a whole new vehicle, but under warranty the manufacturer is only required to fix or replace the broken/malfunctioning parts/compononents.
    He didn't get a new vehicle, no, not even from Lexus.

    So, that says two things:
    1) It happens to other brands (and the Lexus RX isn't brand new like the CTS)
    2) The transmission was broken, so they replaced the transmission. There was nothing wrong with the engine, body, wheels, air conditioning, suspension, etc.

    Remember, when these vehicle are built and going down the assembly line, the engine is separate from the transmission, which is separate from the...etc. The car isn't all one piece. They can replace pieces that fail without throwing the whole baby out with the bath water.

    I think you'll find that they'll do a great job replacing the engine, and you'll probably never know the difference from the way it felt/sounded before the problem started.

    Keep the faith. Man has still not yet built the perfect, defect free machine!!

    I am impressed with the fact that, without any haggling and/or hassles to you, they're going to go ahead and replace the engine. That's not a cheap proposition, so I am impressed, and I believe Cadillac is stepping up here to do the right thing for you, their customer. I don't think giving you a whole new car is realistically called for here.
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