Your suspension bushing and transmission issue are not related. Since they did a transmission flush at the same time - there may be some correlation there. I would get the transmission control module replace ASAP as well as a firmware upgrade if it hasn't been done already by the dealer. There is a chance that your upshift issue has been going on long enough that the faulty solenoids in your trans. are too far gone and that the trans. needs to be replaced. You may also want to have the throttle control module replaced as well if you find the car lurching forward as you're coming to a stop. Next time you go to the dealer, make sure that they are hooking your car up to their VIDA diagnostic system and request to see the fault codes that are being spit out to back up their claims that you need a new trans. Good luck.
I bought a 2005 V70 wagon 3 weeks ago! Carfax report showed no problems and the regular service/checkup at 60,000. The car had 70,000 when I bought it. I just started noticing that it seems to have trouble shifting around 40mph - not bad, just like it could not decide if it wanted to use 2nd or 3rd gear....Took it to a Volvo dealer and was told the transmission had "an internal failure, there was no service available, could not change out fluid, etc and we needed a new transmission at about $4500." We decided to just keep driving it until there were more problems, save up the money and fix it when it became absolutely necessary. Has anyone had similar reports of "internal failure" and is this a reasonable price to pay???
I've experienced a jerk with my 2001 V70 T5 when accelerating from a stop light especially if I don't release the brake wait a moment and then give it some gas. I have heard it said it is a problem with the torque converter. Any comments? J
"I would get the transmission control module replace ASAP" all firmware upgrades on the car are up to date, I had it to 3 dealers. what do you call a "transmission control module"?? are you sure such part exist?
and what is VIDA? is it same as ODB II? ODB II doesn't show any error codes. I did computer diagnostics once, a couple of years ago (before the problem with the tranny started). for about a hundred bucks I got like 12 pages of printouts. they were useless, there were warnings like "door sensor is not sending signal" etc. may be that was the VIDA thing. but I doubt it would report solenoid problems if they exist.
"You may also want to have the throttle control module replaced as well if you find the car lurching forward as you're coming to a stop." no, my tranny doesn't have any problems downshifting, or when coming to stop. the jerk is only when it goes upshift from 2nd to 3rd.
I think you have exactly same problem as I do. my 2001 XC70 started jerking at around 80k. upshifting from 2nd to 3rd gear, which is usually at around 40mph as you stated. I had this problem for more than 2 years now, and it's not going away nor getting worse. so just prepare to live with it.
if you find the solution to the problem, be sure to let me know
how did you know to use Mobile ATF 3309? are you confident this is the same as the Volvo fluid? I have a 2001 V70 and I am told the Mobile JWS 3309 is required, and even then, I'm reading that its not 100% synthetic - its a blend. ugh! I really want to buy the fluid myself, but I am so concerned about buying the wrong type. Anybody know for sure?? Arlene
For many Toyota, Lexus, Volvo, Saturn, VW and other imported and domestic vehicles where Aisin transmissions are used.
Meets key Type T-IV for Toyota/Lexus vehicles
Mobil ATF 3309 is recommended for use in transmissions made by Aisin AW requiring a fluid approved against Type T-IV, JWS 3309, GM 9986195 and Audi G-052-025-A2. These Aisin AW transmissions are used in CERTAIN domestic and foreign vehicles, including Toyota, Lexus, Audi, Saturn, Ford, Volvo, Volkswagen, Saab, Porsche, and Mitsubishi.
The unique formulation of Mobil ATF 3309 is designed to provide excellent lubrication of transmissions in specified Aisin AW slip-controlled lock-up automatic transmissions. These outstanding performance capabilities translate into significant operational benefits. . .
Mobile ATF 3309 might actually work better in the Aisin trannys used in the Volvos than the Mobile 1 ATF. Although 3309 might have to be replaced more often than the Volvo fluid.
Arlene, JWS 3309 is the "specification" of the oil to be used in these Aisin transmissions. Any oil that meets this spec is safe to use.
The Volvo brand JWS 3309 oil is very expensive, so the alternative is to purchase the Mobil 3309 over the internet (which is what I did), or you could see how much your local Ford, GM, or Toyota dealer sells it for.
One thing I would check - I drive a company-owned Ford Taurus and have it serviced at the local Ford dealer's "quick lube" bay. They offer a transmission flush service for $120. Last time I was in for an oil change, I asked them if they would flush my Volvo transmission next time around and they said they would. It is definitely worth paying $120 to have them use their machine rather than doing it yourself (It's a relatively straightforward job, but it's messy and tedious work).
If you have a nearby Ford or GM dealership that has a "quick lube" bay, ask them if they'll service your Volvo transmission with their version of 3309 (WSS-M2C924-A). It's the same (or similar) transmission found on the Ford Fusion - should be an easy job for them.
Mobil is a corporation that markets oil. Mobil ATF 3309 is the name of the 100% non-synthetic transmission oil that Mobil markets to specifically meet the JWS 3309 specification.
Aisin not only builds transmissions for Toyota, Aisin is OWNED by Toyota.
Toyota Type-IV, Mobil ATF 3309, Ford XT-8-QAW, GM 9986195, Volvo 1161540, Audi G-052-025-A2, etc. are all the same spec oil.
you guys ROCK for sticking with me on this thread. hey, I'm just a girl, trying to not be taken advantage of by the dealer$$. I appreciate the education you are providing, I'm reading it all. you sent me to an older thread that had the following link to Mobil's website. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_1_Synthetic_AT- F.aspx
right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? the msds sheet for this is dated 2007. Is this the "new" product you speak of? geez, why is this so hard? I just want my car to be safe and happy and not cost a fortune :-) Can I trust a transmission shop like AAMCO to put in the oil that I bring?
fedlawman, thanks for the tips on going to Ford for a trans. flush. Volvo told me that they have to make sure the temp is just right when they add the oil back in, or something like that. Giving the impression that its a very specialized process. how to know?
AAMCO charges $260 (includes ATF), which seems high compared to your Ford dealer. but seems a trans shop should be a good safe bet, right?
p.s. sorry for posting to the wrong thread - this is all new to me!
Mobile makes maybe four or more different ATFs with different formulations . There are two different Mobile products which are spec'd for a Volvo with an Aisin transmission:
Mobile ATF 3309, which is not fully synthetic, but which seems to be specially formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and which is going to cost you much less than a synthetic.
Mobile 1 ATF, which is a full synthetic, and will have a much higher price, maybe about as much as the Volvo ATF which is evidently also a full synthetic.
In general, synthetic oils have a longer service life than non-synthetic, so if you use Mobile 3309 you might have to replace the fluid sooner than if you used Mobile 1 ATF or Volvo.
At to going to any tranny shop, you may not be get the exact tranny fluid you specify. Suppose you ask them if they will flush and refill your tranny with "Mobile 3309", and they reply, "Yes, we use 3309 spec'd product for Volvos all the time and have had no complaints." What does that mean? Are they using Mobile 3309 or some substitute for Mobile 3309, which they buy in bulk from some dubious source?
I don't know if this is actually done by tranny shops, but I've been around long enough to have seen this sort of thing done in the case of other products.
right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? "
Mobil 1 ATF is fully synthetic and claims to meet the JWS 3309, but it also claims to meet many other specifications. For example, the product sheet you linked mentions Volvo 97340. This is a multi-purpose oil that also meets Dextron III specifications. Dextron III is not compatible with the JWS 3309 specification (it's the old spec for older 4 speed transmissions from GM).
So maybe the synthetic oils are OK, and maybe they're not. Is Mobil going to pay for a new transmission if yours fails? Why take a chance with a multi-purpose oil that may or may not create problems down the road? Just get the Mobil 3309 (or other single-purpose 3309 oil) and flush it every 50 or 60K miles. It's the stuff Volvo originally put in your transmission - and you should too.
well... I was so excited this afternoon when I called Mobil and talked to both a products rep and a engineer/technical expert... they told me that Mobil 1 is 100%synthetic, which you guys already knew, but... it was reformulated 5 months ago to be more compatable with certain specs, and is labeled NEW FORMULA on the bottle. Vendors still carry the old formula, so you want to make sure it says NEW FORMULA on the bottle. The engineer said that it does meet the SW3309 specs and is compatable with Volvo V70. I was happy to finally "get it" and I called Autozone who has the new formula for $7.90 a quart. So I was going to buy it and take it to AAMCO - they said no problem. So for $170, I could get a complete flush with synthetic fluid, compared to $400 at the Volvo dealer!
Now you're making me re-think using it. I'm going to call Mobil again on Monday and tell them what you said about the Volvo 97340 spec, and see what they say. My owners manual does say to use Volvo synthetic, and two Volvo dealers said they only use synthetic. Since Mobil ATF 3309 is not synthetic its hard to believe this is the best choice. but of course, Volvo just wants me to spend more $$, no? So if you're interested, stay tuned and I'll let you know what I hear from Mobil on Monday... cheers...
My owners manual specifically says, "Automatic Transmission Fluid AW5: Volvo transmission oil only (1161540-8). Do not mix with other oils." There is no mention of Volvo 97340 - presumably because it isn't recommended.
My maintenance manual says, "Check ATF level only if an external leak is identified. Volvo recommends changing ATF every 52,500 miles, only on vehicles used for towing."
Where in your owners manual does it say to use Volvo synthetic ATF? For that matter, where does it say to change the ATF at all?
Hopefully, you're on to something - I like the idea of using synthetic too, but I won't until it's a sure thing.
yeah, my owner's manual says the same thing as yours. nothing about synthetic. Maybe that seed was planted in my head by others writing in, and on the UK Volvo Forum website - there is alot of info there. The manual also says "specifications subject to change w/o notice". I know for certain that one of the Volvo dealers here in Oregon uses synthetic on all Volvo's after 2000. well, I'll still call Mobil again on Monday and I'm going to see if I can contact Volvo. stay tuned....
The most important thing is to use an ATF which is formulated to work properly in the Aisin tranny. Evidently any ATF (from a reputable mfgr like Mobile) which meets the JWS 3309 standard will enable the tranny to work properly without an excessive wear rate. Without any other info using a synthetic ATF which meets JWS 3309 would be better than using a standard ATF which meets JWS 3309 because the synthetic would last longer.
If the Mobile 1 ATF is now formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and if the Mobile 1 new formula is only twice the price of the Mobile ATF 3309, then Mobile 1 new formula might be the better option. I gather that the cost of the Volvo ATF is several times the cost of non-synthetic Mobile ATF 3309. There is a considerable labor cost in changing the ATF. Concerning the Volvo UK discussion sites, middle class people in the UK are much more careful with their expenditures than Americans. (They were in the past, anyway. My experience with British frugality is 25 years old. Since that time, the Europeans have gotten relatively better off financially than Americans.)
I checked the fluid in my 2004 V70 base model with 5-spd Aisin auto tranny (not the "geartronic") which we have owned since new (38 kmi on the odo, and driven reasonably carefully 5 years, but in the Dallas TX heat). The fluid is a reddish brown in color and has no off-odor, specifically no burned smell. I'm going to consider the ATF question but I don't think I have to change ATF right now.
I'm looking forward to their response, though for me, I'll stick with the specific oil the transmission was designed for. I personally don't feel comfortable with an oil that meets Dextron III (and multiple other) specs - even if it says it meets JWS 3309 also.
In the end though, I suppose as long as the oil says it's JWS 3309 compliant, and it's getting changed, that's a heck of a lot better than NEVER changing it at all.
sorry for the delayed reply...... I talked to Volvo again and Exxon-Mobil again and got more clarification on this issue...Mobil 3309 conventional fluid was tested and APPROVED by Volvo, thats why the spec sheet for the product lists specific cars: such as Volvo V70. The NEWLY reformulated (just 5 months ago) Mobil 1 ATF synthetic is "recommended" for these same transmissions. but because Volvo has not yet tested it, they can't say it has been "approved". The Mobil tech guy says it takes time for car companies to get around to testing, but he felt very confident that this fluid meets the car's specs. It was designed to. The older formula of Mobil 1 ATF did NOT meet the specs, and thats why it was reformulated. They said Autozone is their primary vendor for it, but it is hard to find. They have mostly the older formula on the shelves still. I called 4 Autozones before finding a store that stocks it. It will say NEW FORMULA on the bottle and the bottle is grey. It is $7.90 a quart. Certainly much less than Volvo's brand. Here's Exxon-Mobil's no. if you want to call yourself: 800-662-4525 option 3.
the Mobil techy said synthetics are primarily for extreme conditions, and since I live in the mild Pacific Northwest, I don't really need it, so after all this research, I'm going to use Mobil 3309 conventional and save some money.
Well I have a V70 2005 non turbo with 67k and I change the oil with 5 Qt. of new Mobile AFT Synthetic and my wagon is running great. Volvo of Dallas told me that I need to wait until 105k to change because is synthetic oil but my oil was black and they said it was ok . I recoment Overseas Service Haus in Dallas,Texas www.overseas1.com They are great and good prices...
I have 112K miles on my V70. Upon acceleration, the car stalled in neutral when gear was in Drive. After turning the engine off and restarting then shifting from Park to Drive, it worked fine. I had a mechanic check it out and he did a complete transmission flush and refill.
3 weeks later the check engine light and flashing "up" arrow illuminated and acceleration was not smoothe. This happened during the required smog check for license renewal. The manual states the flashing up arrow represents problem with the gearbox/transmission.
Any feedback on what to do with this is appreciated!! I would like to get it fixed for the least amount of dollars.
same problem as you Susan. What can we do??? In today's economy who has 4,000 to go buy a new transmission???? I hate that this is happening to me now!!! Please let me know what you are thinking of doing! bbriceno23@comcast.net
I have just bought a diesel V70 auto. Driving it home it ran ok for the first 20 miles or so, then the gearbox started acting up and a flashing up arrow started. Any Ideas?
I have a 2003 V70 2.4T with 37,000 that I purchased from a Volvo dealer 2 months ago. Soon after, I noticed what can be described as stumble or hesitation between 3rd, 4th and 5th gear. On a moderate acceleration, easing up to a 45 mph speed limit, the transmission will stumble as if it is trying to decide between 4th or 5th. As the throttle comes up and the car goes out of 3rd it tries to settle into 5th only to realize that the car does not have the momentum for the engine to move the car along comfortably so it tries 4th only to find that the preferred efficiency is in 5th and back it goes. (or some variation of this). It does this for no more than a second or two and then it passes. This only occurs under the situation as described at or near the 41 mph mark.
Of course the overriding concern is that a major problem in imminent. I would like to think that this would be the type of problem that a software upgrade would resolve. It really seems as though the computer can’t make up its mind.
I did have it back to the dealer be could not replicate the issue on a test drive. I does not happen consistently but it does happen often enough (4-6 times per week) to be described as a real issue
Has anyone encountered a similar problem and discovered fix? The service department at the Volvo dealership is keeping their mouth shut regarding any known transmission issues and giving me the “you are imagining it” look. I would normally run to an independent shop but and fairly convinced it could be a known problem when they sold the car as they were the original dealer and have the full service history.
I have a '99 V70 , no turbo, 5 cyl, 167 Hp original owner found it to be a high maintanence car with high expense. most problems seem to be associated with secondary systems, poor engineering and cheap materials, nagging rattles, broken switches, locks, headlights, signals, mud guards and tires (7 of them so far) think the front is too heavy for low profile rims (standard). But the engine and drive train seem to be sound. Relatively lo milage, I just broke 72K, and have that "shake" after highway driving upon slowing. The idle seems to drop below 500 rpm. noticed it dimishes with higher octane fuel usage, but always returns. I was wondering if it is related to the transmission, not releading on time, or vacumn leak. I need to keep this car for another 130K to make it worth the original investment, but I consider the additionals costs, to-date... a lesson learned.
We have a volvo v70 with 95k miles. It already has a new transmission. We replaced the brake pads/e-brake yesterday because we were told that was causing our acceleration problems($800). We have since found out that fluid leaked from the radiator to the new transmission and has caused them both to fail (another $4K).
Any advise? Can this be fixed without another new transmission?
Owners complaining of the "jerk" of the V70 automatic transmission from a standing start should read their owner's manual. The manual for my '01 V70 T5 clearly states that the transmission is designed to shift to neutral when the car stops - it takes a moment to shift back into gear once the brake is released. Owners who do not adapt their driving style to this momentary pause before the transmission shifts back into gear will indeed experience a jerk if they accelerate too quickly. The result over time will likely be transmission damage. The design is an inconvenience (drivers shouldn't have to adapt their driving style to the car), but you can chalk up resulting transmission damage at least as much to ignorant owners as to Volvo's shift programming. Volvo eventually recognized the potential for damage in their "neutral" shift programming and issued a software update which removes the neutral function. My local Volvo dealer performed the update today on my V70 for $138.66, not exorbitant by any means. The update has only one purpose: it removes the shift to neutral at stops. It doesn't "repair" a damaged transmission. After the software update, my transmission functions from a stop without any programmed pause. With 97k, my aging transmission works as it did before the update, which is to say flawlessly. The only difference is, now there is no shift to neutral at stops.
Other than the original transmission neutral-at-stops feature, the other big owner-related issue re transmission problems or failure on these cars is failure to change the transmission fluid. Part of it is probably Volvo's fault, as the owner's manual specifies 105k miles as the first transmission fluid change. That's entirely too many miles, even for synthetic fluid. It's not unusual for high-mileage transmissions which have been fully flushed for the first time w. synthetic fluid to experience high failure rates afterwards, because the detergent action of the fresh synthetic fluid acts to free up accumulated goop & junk inside the transmission. Although my local Volvo dealer recommends the full flush, my independent Volvo mechanic strongly advises doing only a drain & refill, not a full flush. The latter is a safer choice for high mileage transmissions, especially if you're not sure when your fluid was last changed (or if it's ever been changed).
spoken like a true ford rep.why would u ask what ford has to do with the problem when ford sells the product and was aware of the problem beforehand?are there any lead paint toys around your house?
"why would u ask what ford has to do with the problem"
What the heck are you talking about? I never said anything about Ford. Did you even read my post?
I asked what the problem is, because all the OP mentioned was something about his Volvo jerking in heavy traffic. And if his Volvo jerks in traffic, what does that have to do with the government?
So I'll ask again. What's the problem? Is it some condensation/water in the gas tank? Is it a failing fuel pump? A clogged fuel filter? A bad O2 sensor? A failing ignition coil? A bad spark plug? A clogged fuel injector? A faulty computer chip? A defective transmission? A bumpy stretch of highway? Did he spill hot coffee in his lap during his morning commute? :confuse:
Hi. Sorry if I'm breaking in on a thread, but you folks all apparently have experience with the automatic transmission in V70s. I'm working (for free) on one of my Boy Scouts moms car - 1198 V70xc. turbo, 150K miles. She had a relatively minor accident in a parking lot. Air bags didn't go off, but it needs a hood, fender, grille. But mostly I need to be able to shift it out of Drive. I can put it in low, but can't hit Park or Reverse. All the related fuses I can find are okay. Any ideas? Thanks. I'd really like to get this kid (and his mom) back on the road! thanks in advance. ohbkk
Wow!...possibly the rest of the story. Help me out kimberlyrt I just put a deposit on a 2001 white Volvo V70 AWD with saddle bag brown leather cross stiched and it has plates from the Volvo dealership in Alpharetta, GA, Northpoint Volvo that you mentioned. Did you have the tranny work done on this or is this dealership still passing the pain...any replay would be greatly apprciated. I'm was trying to gert a dependable first family car for my soon to marry son. formerbugman
I am also considering buying a new V70, and all these transmission stories have me worried. Is anyone posting here the owner of a V70 from about 2007 until now? Any particular problems?
Is there anything in particular I should look out for when doing a test-drive? So far I've driven just one, and liked it fine. That particular car did not have the various packages that I wanted on it, however.
I just heard that Palisades Volvo, in NY, is covering all transmission related issues for all models manufactured between 1999-2006. Volvo is using them as a central processing HUB to adjudicate all mechanical failures associated with the transmission. The number to call is:
(845) 689-3300 or email anyone of the service staff listed on their site:
I just heard that Palisades Volvo, in NY, is covering all transmission related issues for all models manufactured between 1999-2006. Volvo is using them as a central processing HUB to adjudicate all mechanical failures associated with the transmission. The number to call is:
(845) 689-3300 or email anyone of the service staff listed on their site:
This a well know problem. IPD sells a B4 servo upgrade for about $20 that fixes this. A descent mechanic can do it in 15 minutes. For some reason Volvo will not touch it, only replace the tranny.
Hello, I have a 2003 V70 with about 120k miles on it that just started doing the exact same thing. I have a volvo mechanic who I trust and he can't figure out what it could be. Did you figure yours out? My husband is also suspecting software.
I am grateful for this info. I have been dealing with UNION PARK VOLVO, Wilmington, Delaware for months now. They just blew me off, saying that "some cars can never be fixed." And, "sometimes, we just cannot get figure out what is wrong." After just one visit, my local mechanic told me my transmission was shot -- not even 100k! He told me to get rid of it.
Is Palisades covering ALL Volvos? Or, just those that they sold?
Our 2001 V70 T5 started with the same symptoms. We bought it about 2 years ago with 80k. Just in the past two months, after it hit 103K, we started having issues. It did a hard shift between 2nd and 3rd, usually when decelerating and then accelerating again. It seemed to get stuck in between, the tach would rev, and then would engage harshly after we started to apply gas. We had it checked out and our independent mechanic, whom we bought it from, could not replicate our experience at first. I went with him for a drive when it started getting worse and he said that we might need to start a fund to replace it. He said he had heard of problems with the XC but not the V series. From what I have read recently, we are not alone. Just today it completely lost traction and boy does it smell.
Our Volvo's transmission totally died. This was NOT diagnosed by the Volvo dealer -- they "could not duplicate the problem." In fact, the owner of, Union Park Volvo in Wilmington DE, told me it was likely caused by the emissions. He actually blamed government standards being too strict on car emissions!! Nut job!
My local mechanic, in about 5 minutes, diagnosed the problem as a faulty transmission. Within a day, the car just died. We called Volvo of America. They said they would look into it, but very likely not cover it as my car had nearly 100k miles on it, and because I was out of warranty. We simply traded it in, warts and all, for a used BMW 5 Series wagon. I'm told that BMW's actually last, and that BMW stands behind their cars. I'm soooooo done with Volvo. Good luck!
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Has anyone had similar reports of "internal failure" and is this a reasonable price to pay???
J
all firmware upgrades on the car are up to date, I had it to 3 dealers.
what do you call a "transmission control module"?? are you sure such part exist?
and what is VIDA? is it same as ODB II?
ODB II doesn't show any error codes.
I did computer diagnostics once, a couple of years ago (before the problem with the tranny started). for about a hundred bucks I got like 12 pages of printouts. they were useless, there were warnings like "door sensor is not sending signal" etc. may be that was the VIDA thing. but I doubt it would report solenoid problems if
they exist.
"You may also want to have the throttle control module replaced as well if you find the car lurching forward as you're coming to a stop."
no, my tranny doesn't have any problems downshifting, or when coming to stop.
the jerk is only when it goes upshift from 2nd to 3rd.
you are not alone.
I think you have exactly same problem as I do.
my 2001 XC70 started jerking at around 80k. upshifting from 2nd to 3rd gear, which is usually at around 40mph as you stated.
I had this problem for more than 2 years now, and it's not going away nor getting worse. so just prepare to live with it.
if you find the solution to the problem, be sure to let me know
Arlene
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_ATF_3309.aspx
Meets key OEM requirements:
For many Toyota, Lexus, Volvo, Saturn, VW and other imported and domestic vehicles where Aisin transmissions are used.
Meets key Type T-IV for Toyota/Lexus vehicles
Mobil ATF 3309 is recommended for use in transmissions made by Aisin AW requiring a fluid approved against Type T-IV, JWS 3309, GM 9986195 and Audi G-052-025-A2. These Aisin AW transmissions are used in CERTAIN domestic and foreign vehicles, including Toyota, Lexus, Audi, Saturn, Ford, Volvo, Volkswagen, Saab, Porsche, and Mitsubishi.
The unique formulation of Mobil ATF 3309 is designed to provide excellent lubrication of transmissions in specified Aisin AW slip-controlled lock-up automatic transmissions. These outstanding performance capabilities translate into significant operational benefits. . .
Mobile ATF 3309 might actually work better in the Aisin trannys used in the Volvos than the Mobile 1 ATF. Although 3309 might have to be replaced more often than the Volvo fluid.
The Volvo brand JWS 3309 oil is very expensive, so the alternative is to purchase the Mobil 3309 over the internet (which is what I did), or you could see how much your local Ford, GM, or Toyota dealer sells it for.
IPD sells it by the case: http://www.ipdusa.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=1997&strPageHistory=- - search&numSearchStartRecord=1.
You can get it for less money here (I've heard of them, but have never done business with them): http://www.avlube.com/mobilatf3309.html.
One thing I would check - I drive a company-owned Ford Taurus and have it serviced at the local Ford dealer's "quick lube" bay. They offer a transmission flush service for $120. Last time I was in for an oil change, I asked them if they would flush my Volvo transmission next time around and they said they would. It is definitely worth paying $120 to have them use their machine rather than doing it yourself (It's a relatively straightforward job, but it's messy and tedious work).
If you have a nearby Ford or GM dealership that has a "quick lube" bay, ask them if they'll service your Volvo transmission with their version of 3309 (WSS-M2C924-A). It's the same (or similar) transmission found on the Ford Fusion - should be an easy job for them.
Mobil is a corporation that markets oil. Mobil ATF 3309 is the name of the 100% non-synthetic transmission oil that Mobil markets to specifically meet the JWS 3309 specification.
Aisin not only builds transmissions for Toyota, Aisin is OWNED by Toyota.
Toyota Type-IV, Mobil ATF 3309, Ford XT-8-QAW, GM 9986195, Volvo 1161540, Audi G-052-025-A2, etc. are all the same spec oil.
Clear as mud... :sick:
right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC
so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? the msds sheet for this is dated 2007. Is this the "new" product you speak of? geez, why is this so hard? I just want my car to be safe and happy and not cost a fortune :-)
Can I trust a transmission shop like AAMCO to put in the oil that I bring?
AAMCO charges $260 (includes ATF), which seems high compared to your Ford dealer. but seems a trans shop should be a good safe bet, right?
p.s. sorry for posting to the wrong thread - this is all new to me!
Mobile ATF 3309, which is not fully synthetic, but which seems to be specially formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and which is going to cost you much less than a synthetic.
Mobile 1 ATF, which is a full synthetic, and will have a much higher price, maybe about as much as the Volvo ATF which is evidently also a full synthetic.
In general, synthetic oils have a longer service life than non-synthetic, so if you use Mobile 3309 you might have to replace the fluid sooner than if you used Mobile 1 ATF or Volvo.
At to going to any tranny shop, you may not be get the exact tranny fluid you specify. Suppose you ask them if they will flush and refill your tranny with "Mobile 3309", and they reply, "Yes, we use 3309 spec'd product for Volvos all the time and have had no complaints." What does that mean? Are they using Mobile 3309 or some substitute for Mobile 3309, which they buy in bulk from some dubious source?
I don't know if this is actually done by tranny shops, but I've been around long enough to have seen this sort of thing done in the case of other products.
right on the bottle on their website it says: SYNTHETIC
so why do you and some others insist that this is NOT synthetic? "
Mobil 1 ATF is fully synthetic and claims to meet the JWS 3309, but it also claims to meet many other specifications. For example, the product sheet you linked mentions Volvo 97340. This is a multi-purpose oil that also meets Dextron III specifications. Dextron III is not compatible with the JWS 3309 specification (it's the old spec for older 4 speed transmissions from GM).
So maybe the synthetic oils are OK, and maybe they're not. Is Mobil going to pay for a new transmission if yours fails? Why take a chance with a multi-purpose oil that may or may not create problems down the road? Just get the Mobil 3309 (or other single-purpose 3309 oil) and flush it every 50 or 60K miles. It's the stuff Volvo originally put in your transmission - and you should too.
Now you're making me re-think using it. I'm going to call Mobil again on Monday and tell them what you said about the Volvo 97340 spec, and see what they say. My owners manual does say to use Volvo synthetic, and two Volvo dealers said they only use synthetic. Since Mobil ATF 3309 is not synthetic its hard to believe this is the best choice. but of course, Volvo just wants me to spend more $$, no? So if you're interested, stay tuned and I'll let you know what I hear from Mobil on Monday... cheers...
My maintenance manual says, "Check ATF level only if an external leak is identified. Volvo recommends changing ATF every 52,500 miles, only on vehicles used for towing."
Where in your owners manual does it say to use Volvo synthetic ATF? For that matter, where does it say to change the ATF at all?
Hopefully, you're on to something - I like the idea of using synthetic too, but I won't until it's a sure thing.
If the Mobile 1 ATF is now formulated to work with the Aisin trannys, and if the Mobile 1 new formula is only twice the price of the Mobile ATF 3309, then Mobile 1 new formula might be the better option. I gather that the cost of the Volvo ATF is several times the cost of non-synthetic Mobile ATF 3309. There is a considerable labor cost in changing the ATF. Concerning the Volvo UK discussion sites, middle class people in the UK are much more careful with their expenditures than Americans. (They were in the past, anyway. My experience with British frugality is 25 years old. Since that time, the Europeans have gotten relatively better off financially than Americans.)
I checked the fluid in my 2004 V70 base model with 5-spd Aisin auto tranny (not the "geartronic") which we have owned since new (38 kmi on the odo, and driven reasonably carefully 5 years, but in the Dallas TX heat). The fluid is a reddish brown in color and has no off-odor, specifically no burned smell. I'm going to consider the ATF question but I don't think I have to change ATF right now.
In the end though, I suppose as long as the oil says it's JWS 3309 compliant, and it's getting changed, that's a heck of a lot better than NEVER changing it at all.
the Mobil techy said synthetics are primarily for extreme conditions, and since I live in the mild Pacific Northwest, I don't really need it, so after all this research, I'm going to use Mobil 3309 conventional and save some money.
good luck to all.
3 weeks later the check engine light and flashing "up" arrow illuminated and acceleration was not smoothe. This happened during the required smog check for license renewal. The manual states the flashing up arrow represents problem with the gearbox/transmission.
Any feedback on what to do with this is appreciated!! I would like to get it fixed for the least amount of dollars.
I have a 2003 V70 2.4T with 37,000 that I purchased from a Volvo dealer 2 months ago. Soon after, I noticed what can be described as stumble or hesitation between 3rd, 4th and 5th gear. On a moderate acceleration, easing up to a 45 mph speed limit, the transmission will stumble as if it is trying to decide between 4th or 5th. As the throttle comes up and the car goes out of 3rd it tries to settle into 5th only to realize that the car does not have the momentum for the engine to move the car along comfortably so it tries 4th only to find that the preferred efficiency is in 5th and back it goes. (or some variation of this). It does this for no more than a second or two and then it passes. This only occurs under the situation as described at or near the 41 mph mark.
Of course the overriding concern is that a major problem in imminent. I would like to think that this would be the type of problem that a software upgrade would resolve. It really seems as though the computer can’t make up its mind.
I did have it back to the dealer be could not replicate the issue on a test drive. I does not happen consistently but it does happen often enough (4-6 times per week) to be described as a real issue
Has anyone encountered a similar problem and discovered fix? The service department at the Volvo dealership is keeping their mouth shut regarding any known transmission issues and giving me the “you are imagining it” look. I would normally run to an independent shop but and fairly convinced it could be a known problem when they sold the car as they were the original dealer and have the full service history.
found it to be a high maintanence car with high expense. most problems seem to be associated with secondary systems, poor engineering and cheap materials, nagging rattles, broken switches, locks, headlights, signals, mud guards and tires (7 of them so far) think the front is too heavy for low profile rims (standard). But the engine and drive train seem to be sound. Relatively lo milage, I just broke 72K, and have that "shake" after highway driving upon slowing. The idle seems to drop below 500 rpm. noticed it dimishes with higher octane fuel usage, but always returns. I was wondering if it is related to the transmission, not releading on time, or vacumn leak. I need to keep this car for another 130K to make it worth the original investment, but I consider the additionals costs, to-date... a lesson learned.
My 2001 V70 seems to be having the same problem. How did you resolve yours?
Thanks
Any advise? Can this be fixed without another new transmission?
Other than the original transmission neutral-at-stops feature, the other big owner-related issue re transmission problems or failure on these cars is failure to change the transmission fluid. Part of it is probably Volvo's fault, as the owner's manual specifies 105k miles as the first transmission fluid change. That's entirely too many miles, even for synthetic fluid. It's not unusual for high-mileage transmissions which have been fully flushed for the first time w. synthetic fluid to experience high failure rates afterwards, because the detergent action of the fresh synthetic fluid acts to free up accumulated goop & junk inside the transmission. Although my local Volvo dealer recommends the full flush, my independent Volvo mechanic strongly advises doing only a drain & refill, not a full flush. The latter is a safer choice for high mileage transmissions, especially if you're not sure when your fluid was last changed (or if it's ever been changed).
I don't understand your post - what exactly is the problem? What has Ford messed up? :confuse:
What the heck are you talking about? I never said anything about Ford. Did you even read my post?
I asked what the problem is, because all the OP mentioned was something about his Volvo jerking in heavy traffic. And if his Volvo jerks in traffic, what does that have to do with the government?
So I'll ask again. What's the problem? Is it some condensation/water in the gas tank? Is it a failing fuel pump? A clogged fuel filter? A bad O2 sensor? A failing ignition coil? A bad spark plug? A clogged fuel injector? A faulty computer chip? A defective transmission? A bumpy stretch of highway? Did he spill hot coffee in his lap during his morning commute? :confuse:
thanks in advance.
ohbkk
My 2004 V70 (I bought it new 6 years ago) has 105,000 miles and I've never had a significant problem with it.
Is there anything in particular I should look out for when doing a test-drive? So far I've driven just one, and liked it fine. That particular car did not have the various packages that I wanted on it, however.
(845) 689-3300 or email anyone of the service staff listed on their site:
http://www.palisadesvolvo.com/staff/index.cfm
(845) 689-3300 or email anyone of the service staff listed on their site:
http://www.palisadesvolvo.com/staff/index.cfm
Is Palisades covering ALL Volvos? Or, just those that they sold?
Thanks.
I JUST GOT OFF OF THE PHONE WITH PALISADES VOLVO!!!
WHY WOULD YOU POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
My local mechanic, in about 5 minutes, diagnosed the problem as a faulty transmission. Within a day, the car just died. We called Volvo of America. They said they would look into it, but very likely not cover it as my car had nearly 100k miles on it, and because I was out of warranty. We simply traded it in, warts and all, for a used BMW 5 Series wagon. I'm told that BMW's actually last, and that BMW stands behind their cars. I'm soooooo done with Volvo. Good luck!