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The EX-L & Touring Odysseys have active type engine mounts. This means the mounts adjust & move position with a solenoid valve. Apparently these mounts were not fully tested and will not dampen the motions 100% of the time.
There is a TSB for replacing collapsed engine mounts. Ours were replaced with no success.
My opinion is the mounts sometime "forget" to return to the idle setting after driving on the highway. I found this to be the case with my '06 EX-L.
Who am I though...it seems to obvious, right?
You can help fight this issue. Have your car repaired per the TSB-050 service bulletin - they will replace your A-pipe & exhaust hangers. Also, have your engine mounts replaced per TSB-??? (collapsed engine mounts). See if any of these "band-aids" help.
After having the repairs done, if you are not satisfied...call American Honda 1-800-# and open a case. Tell them your car still drones after all the repairs were done.
I can help you...if you need copies of work orders, I will post them.
My car already replaced engine mount one time.
And service man said my car did not have problem, A-pipe so he didn't replaced it.
They fixed right side sliding noise but still I heard especially during the cold weather.
And he also changed power steeling pump.
All this thing happend before 7,000miles.
As I mentioned, my car has 20,000miles right now.
Do I still have a chance to fight with them?
If I can, please let me know.
My email address is davidbhlee@msn.com
Thanks for your great help!
did you have both the front and rear engine mounts replaced or just the rear one? Where can i find the TSB for the "collapsed engine mounts" problem? I only had the rear mount replaced and the modified A-pipe but the drone is still there...it's getting worse and worse each day
The info on the engine mount is not a TSB, it comes from a Honda Service News publication.
link title
Ours drones worse than ever also. I'm not sure replacing the front mounts would do anything? Ask you Service Dept. to check all of them....let us know.
jt
I dont know if this is what you call droning, I just got the Odyssey '07 EX 500 Mi. Always In the first 5 minutes of my drive when I stop at a light with trans. in drive there is vibration and a noise as if the car is in high idle, it happens even if a waited 1 minute after starting and with or without the steam/ac on or off, sometimes the vibration is so bad you can feel it in your stomach, when driving in high or low speed the car is perfect.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Have your engine mounts checked for fun.
Good luck.
We filed a claim with ours after 5 repeated attempts for a different defect. The court date is set for Sept. '07.
I would say it there is a 75% improvement. The drone is there slightly as I am listening for it. As the rpms pass through the 2100 - 2200 rpm zone. Or constant rpm underload as when going up a gradual incline on the freeway. I'm satisfied.
By the way 2200 rpm is = 72-73 mph in my '05 LX Ody. Not around 60 mph as referenced above. While the LX does not have the cylinder de-activation nor active engine mounts, it does not have different tranny ratios than the EX or tourings that I am aware of.
I asked the dealer, at the 5th attempt, to restore the drone back to 60mph with the original parts. At least I can avoid 2000 rpm with cruise control.
After reading a post in another forum, I was tempted to try a sixth repair as they reported the drone was reduced by 90+%.
Is the noise present from day 1?
No, usually develops after a couple hundred miles.
Ours started around 900 miles.
The A-pipe internal baffles fail on the '05 & '06's.
Thus, the Droning defect TSB is applied to replace the A-pipe & exhaust hangers with different design.
You have an '07 with the new A-pipe design so there is no further fix for the drone.
There is not a 100% solution to the problem. If you hear the drone, unfortunately you will have to live with it. But you knew what you that before buying, right? We didn't.
Is it the pipe or the transimission ?
It is a harmonic resonance with the engine mounts, A-pipe, exhaust hangers, and the shape of the pipe - like a musical instrument. After living with the defect for a year, I don't think the transmission has much interaction.
The exact solution may affect mpg's, emmissions, etc. - potential law suits?
That is why Honda has only come up with a partial fix.
Also, you would be surprised how many people hear the noise but are willing to live with it.
you seems to be the one who's most active about this particular topic, thanks for all the info. I think I'm having the same prob, but only during ideling, I can feel the viberation on the steering wheel and on the break padel and hear the humming noise (just like the van is turned on for AC). my question is, will the so call 'repairs' worsen the situation? I'm trying to evaluate if it's even worth my time and energy to try to to dealer for a 'repair'
I'm assuming you have an EX-L or Touring with VCM.
You should have your engine mounts looked at to see if they are collapsed. If so, Honda will replace the mount(s) and you may see a marginal improvement in the vibration.
As I mentioned in a prior post, there is not a 100% fix for the problem. Just make sure you let Honda know that you are not satisfied with the vibration.
We got our '06 Touring in Oct '05. After ~1000miles we started noticing an irritating intermittent noise/tone from the engine compartment.
The following Sept '06 we took it to the dealer and they replaced a collapsed engine mount. We didn't notice much improvement.
A year passed and I just took it to another dealer this week. They want to replace the mount again. I'm not very optimistic. Though the tech did mention the part is currently on national backorder for possibly being pulled to be replaced with a new mount from the manufacturer? Not sure if this is true or the tech is trying to give me false hope.
If there is no improvement again, I plan to start sending letters. Not looking forward to this possibility. I really thought an Odyssey was a smart choice. But, now I have first hand experience why Honda (or any other mfg) does not have 100% owner satisfaction. Just wish I didn't have to spend so much cash to learn.
We won our settlement with Honda & received a small monetary token for our wasted time dealing with the defect.
Still have the noise, but have moved on to bigger things in life. Plus, I heard a rumor that Honda is dumping the Odyssey for '09.
The drone happens whenever the ECO mode engages or I am slow on pushing the pedal and want to accelerate smoothly. Happens anywhere between 30 and 50 mph but worse is on around 45 mph. The rpm can be anywhere from 1500-2500.
Man , I had a TC before this and even though it was 100K miles old it still drove better than this new ody. What a piece of crap :mad: .
Any ideas on what should I do ? I wish there was a 30 day moneyback policy. Does this issue qualify as a lemon if I take it back to dealer every week ?
Since this problem has been around since late 2004, Honda knows exactly how to avoid lemon claims for droning defect.
They will blow you off and say it is "normal operating characteristic". Good luck.
Honda has told me this is a normal operating characteristic and that nothing can be done. I was asked by Honda if I road tested the vehicle before purchase, I answered yes and was then told that I still bought it, live with it. I have a Texas lemon Law hearing next week. I to have had the front brake, power steering, windshield noise, & sliding door noise recalls performed along with cargo carpet reglue and liftgate interior handle coming apart.
We didn't buy our Odyssey with the drone noise. It developed after 800 miles when the A-pipe failed.
I still think the Odyssey is a great van. Only one other complaint besides the droning defect is the horrible road noise. Some die hard Honda lovers blame the stock Michelins but the real issue is the lack of proper sound deadening insulation.
I am wondering if any of you with the droaning issue would be willing to fax or email me a statment of facts about what you have faced with this droaning problem. Also anyone in the Houston area is welcome to attend the hearing with me. Have any of you investigated the class action lawsuit approach? Thanks Rick
ricks76@sbcglobal.net
Mostly EXL (VCM) owners complain about the droning defect, however, I read about LX & EX complaints on another forum.
There is not a 100% fix for the problem. The steps to a partial fix are the following:
1. Remove & replace collapsed engine mounts.
2. Remove & replace A-pipe assembly with new design.
3. Installed updated exhaust hanger kit.
You will notice an improvement but now that you hear the noise it will probably bug you for the life of the car.
We've had it into the dealer twice. They replaced the power-steering pump, but this has not eliminated the strange noise. It is extremely difficult to duplicate - one of those problems that won't appear at the dealership! VERY frustrating!
Any advice or insight from others?
My thought is that the dealer either replaced your pump with another new pump that has the same defect or they did not drain the power steering lines properly before installing new pump, therfore contaminating the system again.
One way to duplicate the problem is to bring the car to running temp. (cooling fan cycling twice) then put the vehicle in neutral(left foot on the brake) and with right foot slightly rev the engine while turning steering wheel. If your power steering pump is bad you will hear the humming noise again
Hope this helps.
We are looking for a minivan but this is something I don't want to deal with.
If anyone else has an 07 Odyssey, pls let me know how your car is.
Thanks everyone!