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They(CR) did not mention anything in the vehicle summary about that problem.The only negative they had for Ody was that "wind noise is a bit pronounced"
But, in the reliability ratings the Ody scored a solid black circle(meaning worse) for "Body Integrity", which includes problems with: seals, weather stripping, air and water leaks, wind noise, rattles and squeaks.
In today's automotive engineering, a vehicle has that type of sound is not too "refined", especially for $30K vehicle like the Odys
jt
Yep. New buyer beware, the droning/vibration is extremely annoying! Honda knows it's a common complain, but it's "normal". Rumor is that they are going to fix something for the 07' but they won't tell you what's wrong with your 05-06 nor will fix it. So ... run away from the 06 :lemon: until you hear otherwise.
Does annoyance issues count for Lemon law?
For the record, I do not doubt that folks are not hearing this, I am trying to understand how loud it is. I read about this issue on this board when we were shopping for minivans, and both my wife and I did not notice this when we test drove the Odyssey (we drove two EX-L's and a Touring and did not notice it).
I also cannot fathom why none of the auto reviews I have read (and I have read them all before I bought) did not notice this noise since it seems to happen since day one.. Just today I found this article:
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=104757/pageNumber=5
I found it interesting that none of the long term Edmunds drivers experienced this noise (it looks like the only problem that happened on their long term 05 Odyssey was a slow tire leak, not including the recalls)...
Maybe it is just me, but I looked at the other Odyssey boards and this issue seems to affect a minority of owners, not the majority, yet it has been described as "normal" for the Odyssey per the dealer..
Maybe I just cannot hear it...
Try different setpoints that will correlate to 2100 and 2200 rpms. Some owners are reporting the noise at these rpms.
I have used cruise control on a recent trip from 55mph to 75mph and did not notice this noise, but will try again. From the posts that I have read (some owners are ready to trade their van in based on this noise alone) it seems like I would have noticed it by now..
Blow across the top of an empty 2-liter bottle of soda and the noise is similar.
Is it possible to hear it with the radio on?
Yes, the noise is loud, we hear it with the radio on. Passengers in the 3rd row can hear it also.
Now I am starting to sense your frustration.. I am not a automotive engineer, but it really sounds to me like an issue with the exhaust at that particular RPM.
This is the 2nd attempt to fix the problem.
First repair: Replace A-pipe
Second Repair: Replace active type rear engine mount
The car is staying overnight at the Honda dealer. They are contacting American Honda again tommorrow.
I have a free rental but it is a cheap Ford. My service manager said he will get Honda to pay my month's payment on the Ody. It has been in the shop for about 10 business days over the past month.
jt
The two work orders say:
1. 5/12/06: Exhaust Drone at 2100 rpm (really occurred at 2000rpm)
Remove & replace A-pipe (Pipe A, Gasket P, Nut 10mm, gasket E, Rubber E)
2. 6/15/06: Droning noise at 61mph 2000rpm
Remove and replace electronic rear motor mount
Adjusted motor mounts and exhaust hangers (Rubber AS, Stopper A)
Please note the droning noise was the same after replacing the A-pipe. When the engine mount was replaced, the noise was still there but not as loud. The noise was eliminated when Honda walked the Service Manager through all of the adjustments needed on the engine mount and exhaust hangers.
Also, we were supposedly #300 out of 500 waiting for a newly re-designed engine mount. I suspect a TSB may be forthcoming.
My advice is to be patient and courteous with your Service Dept. They were on my side the whole time. There is a solution to the problem - find a different dealership if you do not get resolution. Don't accept the excuse that it is a normal operating characteristic of the vehicle.
Engine mounts are not notoriously reliable on any vehicle, although they generally don't cause MAJOR noise. But obviously as they wear it's going to cause issues on these types of motors. I probably wouldn't have bought this vehicle if I planned to keep it long term just because I forsee expensive repairs with all these complicated mounts/noise control parts that are suseptible to normal wear and tear.
I am sure that it has been frustrating having to take your new Odyssey back and forth to the service department. Maybe now you can enjoy your van
Just under 2K on our van and we are loving it.
The droning noise occurred exactly at 2000 rpm whether running on 3 or 6 cylinders.
Engine mounts are not notoriously reliable on any vehicle, although they generally don't cause MAJOR noise.
I agree, however, if a mount is not dampening certain frequencies the vibrations could shake the exhaust system into a frenzy. If the active mount may be amplifying the motion at 2000rpm instead of negating. The exhaust manifolds amd A-pipe are rigidly connected to the engine.
Only time will tell with an official TSB where the real source of the noise is - exhaust or engine mount.
The humming noise on my EX-L 05 Odys happens in the 6 cylinder mode when the road is slightly inclined. So it is not the switch between V6-I3-V6 modes. There are Odys owners without VCM reported the same problem. It is the mechanical resonance of the engine (now engine mount defect as recent post indicated) at a certain RPM range.
jt
GM's newest DOD was supposed to be out in '05 but was delayed until '06/'07. I've seen some of the DC vehicles with MDS having droning issues as well. I have to wonder if some of these Ody droners aren't caused by different things. Some I'v read seem to only have the droning when they believe to be in 3cyl mode.
Is this similar to what you experienced? We love the van aside from that but the "baby rattler" is driving us nuts!
The very first DOD engines were all mechanical systems with electronics to only shut off fuel....very very crude!! Nothing like today's.
Check your rpms when the noise occurs. The noise will occur as you pass through 2000rpms on the tach. Sounds like air blowing across the top of an empty glass bottle.
The best way to hear the droning noise is to hold 2000-2100 rpm (~60mph) on the highway. Lugging in 5th gear on a slight incline will amplify the noise.
Lastly, these Odyssey's have noisy engines in my opinion. My Ody still has "groaning" noises as the car accelerates.
My 2000 Ody engine is much, much quieter.
Some people have the issue and some not. I could see where a combination of motor mount, A-pipe, placement and number of exhaust hangers and/or hanger stiffness, or maybe pipe interconnects with CAT convertor, they could all be factors.
Would have to agree the 6-cylinder in my '03 is very well behaved over the operating range.
The road noise is reduced on the '06 but is still very apparent.
I will schedule an appointment for service. What do you mean by "lugging in 5th gear"? I'd like to be able to replicate the issue on demand for the service tech.
You're right that the motor is a bit loud but, in fairness, it is a pretty high powered piece of machinery. I found it to be quieter and smoother than the new Sienna. We swapped a 2002 Sienna for the 2006 Oddyssey. We test drove both twice and were much happier with the Honda in almost all respects.
Thanks much for your help!
The Honda dealership now has an "open" ticket on the humming and the Honda customer service line is saying this is not a safety or mechanical defect but only an annoyance and a "characteristc" of the vehicle and nothing will be done until the engineers come out with a fix. In other words nothing will be done.
I informed them that a screaming child in the backseat is also just an annoyance but that I definitely would not want to ride in a car that had that "characteristic".
PLEASE, everyone call Honda and report your displeasure with their lack of response to some of their best customers. Get this fixed please!! :mad:
Stonewalled=open ticket
Defect=annoyance
This is Hondas problem not yours..don't let them shift the burden and the expense of their problem onto you...get on the internet and hit every consumer protection agency you can find...scream..scream..scream..
This a great forum.. Altho one seems to be finding more problems than solutions.. many thanks to Edmunds for the opportunity to grit our teeth together...
the noise coming from the speakers ,,,, yes im not crazy if you see for ur self remove door panels and drive the car you will see that front speakers move air and produce this what we call hummmmming noise
email me with for more info on this trust its not a joke
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There is also another source of a droning noise, the exhaust. This is detailed in service bulletin 06-050 from July of 2006. Symptom: drone or moan at 2100 rpm. Probable cause: sound resonating through an exhaust mount into the interior. Corrective action: install an updated exhaust pipe A and rubber mount. Parts info:
Exhaust pipe A kit P/N 18050-SHJ-A00, H/C 8356958
GASKET (2) P/N 18212-SA7-003, H/C 1462290
PRE CHAMBER GASKET P/N 18393-SDB-A00, H/C 7245194
SELF LOCKING NUTS (9) P/N 90212-SA5-003, H/C 1169812
So if you have a 05-06 Odyssey still within warranty with this problem, the repair should be a warranty repair. Good luck on your repair.
See the text of Service Bulletin 06-050 below.
© 2006 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved ATB 32238 (0607) 1 of 2
CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment,
and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assume
this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact an
authorized Honda automobile dealer.
July 28, 2006
06-050
Applies To: 2005–06 Odyssey – ALL
Drone or Moan When Driving at 2,100 RPM
SYMPTOM
You hear a drone or moan inside the vehicle while
driving at 2,100 rpm. The noise goes away above or
below 2,100 rpm.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The sound is resonating through an exhaust mount into
the interior.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Install an updated exhaust pipe A and rubber mount.
PARTS INFORMATION
Exhaust Pipe A kit:
(The kit includes exhaust pipe A, a rubber
mount, and a mounting bracket.)
P/N 18050-SHJ-A00, H/C 8356958
Exhaust Pipe Gasket (2 required):
P/N 18212-SA7-003, H/C 1462290
Pre-Chamber Gasket (1 required):
P/N 18393-SDB-A00, H/C 7245194
Self-Locking Nuts (10 mm) (9 required):
P/N 90212-SA5-003, H/C 1169812
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
In warranty: The normal warranty applies.
Operation Number: 3111D1
Flat Rate Time: 0.8 hour
Failed Part: P/N 18210-SHJ-A01
H/C 7705965
Defect Code: 03214
Symptom Code: 04201
Template ID: 06-050A
Skill Level: Repair Technician
Out of warranty: Any repair performed after warranty
expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by
the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone
Office. You must request consideration, and get a
decision, before starting work.
DIAGNOSIS
1. Test-drive the vehicle at 2,100 rpm, and listen for a
drone or moan. Verify that it goes away above or
below 2,100 rpm.
• If you hear the noise only at 2,100 rpm, go to
step 2.
• If you hear the noise at other engine speeds,
continue normal troubleshooting.
2. Remove the exhaust pipe A rubber mount, and testdrive
the vehicle again.
• If the drone or moan is not as loud, go to REPAIR
PROCEDURE.
• If the drone or moan has not changed, continue
normal troubleshooting.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
1. Remove the nine self-locking nuts, and remove
exhaust pipe A and the three gaskets.
GASKETS
(Replace.)
SELF-LOCKING
NUTS
54 N.m (40 lb.ft)
(Replace.)
SELF-LOCKING
NUT
33 N.m (25 lb.ft)
(Replace.)
GASKET
(Replace.)
RUBBER MOUNT
EXHAUST
PIPE A
TIGHTENING
SEQUENCE
2 of 2 06-050
2. Install the new mounting bracket.
3. Install the new exhaust pipe A with new gaskets
and new self-locking nuts.
4. Install the new rubber mount.
MOUNTING BRACKET
RUBBER
MOUNT
EXHAUST
PIPE A
BOLTS
22 N.m (16 lb-ft)
I am really tired of this droning sound. Gives me a headache each time. I paid almost $40K for my Odyssey and didn't expect this nuisance. I am mad at Edmunds.com for not pointing out the problem in its review. It's not as if it is difficult to detect or something minor. Makes me wonder about the integrity of the website and its reviews!
What angers me is that no one from Honda notified me of this service bulletin. Not Honda customer service with whom I have a case number with, not the Honda dealership where I have an open ticket with, NOBODY! I only found out about it on this forum. I'm not going back to the dealership where I bought the car. I am not impressed with Honda customer service or communications. I went to a different dealership to have the repair done to see if they are any better. I doubt it.
The engine/exhaust in my old 2000 Odyssey w/130k is much, much quieter.
I am not happy with the 2006, especially since the car lists for $35k. Why would Honda take two steps backward on engine noise - better MPG's?
If you can believe it, the engine/exhaust in my old 2000 Ody with 130k miles is much, much quieter. Original exhaust system, cat, & muffler.
I would wait a couple of months until some '07's have a couple thousand miles.
My '06 started droning around 700 miles.
Keep up posted if you decide to buy an '07. I am also curious how the new tranny design is.
If anyone is still hearing the droning noise after the repair I suggest calling Honda directly and reporting the issue. If we don't let them know about it they will assume the bulletin resolved the problem completely.
I had the TBS repair done last week.
No help! still sounds the same.
I will call Honda,
I hope others do the same.
My service manager knows me by my first name now. The car has been in the shop 4 times for this issue. The dealer has tried everything to fix this junker. Met with the Zone rep, emails to the factory, etc.
The service manager told me he gets a lot of complaints about the new Odysseys. He said many people were upset they got rid of their previous generation Ody's. One lady had a laundry list of 10 items from droning, air noise from windows, rattles, and road noise. He said "I don't engineer the cars, I just fix them". Also, he mentioned how much road noise the '05-'06's have - can't figure out why they cheapened up the insulation or just didn't add enough.
My stomach is sick over this car that I paid $32,000. I am ready to sell it to CarMax or CarSense just to get rid of it.