Dodge,Ford,Chevy------who wins?

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  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    Malibu1 has a case of wanting a truck manufacturer to use valid claims in their adds. The Ford and Dodge adds are basically an insult to the intelligence of the American public. If somebody buys a truck because it was the 'most appealing' or because it sells more than any other truck then they deserve what they get. If I ever buy a truck because the maker was the first to offer a quad cab............well then.......enough said.

    Malibu1
  • EdBedsworthEdBedsworth Member Posts: 12
    Does anyone know where to find sales figures for Ford, Chevy and Dodge full-size pick ups?

    I'm curious what the numbers are.

    Thanks
  • dodgeramdodgeram Member Posts: 202
    Malibu1, you really don't know what advertising is do you. Lets say chevy had the first four doors or the most appealing truck award, do you think there not going to publish that info in there ads, get a life! How come your not bitching about chevy ads, "biggest exterior cab", or motortrend truck of the year, thats the same thing as j.d power associates, giving the dodge the most appealing truck award, they both are given awards and they both flaunt it.
  • dodgeramdodgeram Member Posts: 202
    Malibu1, something I forgot to mention, You say that you wouldn't buy a truck because they claim to have the first four door pickup. YOu do know that the the orginal is usually best. Imatations always come second. Its like buying a pair of shoes, are you going to buy the brand name, or the
    shoes that look like the brand names. This isn't always true, but when comparing a dodge to chev, its definite! So when chev brings foure doors to its trucks, just remember that it wouldn't have happened if it weren't for dodge. Alot things in trucks today wouldn't have happened if it weren't for dodge, "four doors", "Wicked styling"," car like comforts, etc, etc, etc! , and thats what dodge is trying to say to the public, not to buy there product because it was the first feature out, but it was the first company to make things happen.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Didn't malibu contradict himself in post #194 when he mentioned that he does take good sales into consideration especially if they sell good year after year? He mentioned that that kind of track record shows good quality and a better bang for your buck. Isn't that making the case for the evil Ford?

    Chevy's ads are the same as Ford and Dodge. The marketing departments job is to make their product attractive to a target market. They'll use whatever method they can without violating the Fairness in Advertising laws. You don't think Chevy is trying to sell trucks to people who think Bob Seger is cool? And what about that commercial where they show that huge log/pole being dropped into the bed of a Chevy from about 25 feet up? Notice they never show it land? Heck, that would likely destroy any truck. And pulling a barn? If you're going to pull a barn, you're not likely to do it with a 1/2 ton truck. It's all hype. It's just advertising. Chevy's no more "mightier than thou" when it comes to advertising than any other auto manufacturer.

    Chevy won Motortrend Truck of the Year, but remember that the only trucks that count are ones that were totally redesigned this year. The Dodge Ram and the F-150 were not considered because this is not the first year of their major overhaul. The F-150 won it in 1997. I suspect the Dodge Ram won it in their first year of the redesign also.
  • mikec13mikec13 Member Posts: 26
    brutus,
    #194 was me not malibu1. I do own an evil Ranger. :)

    malibu1,
    If Chevy ever retakes the sales lead from Ford in either compact or full size trucks, it would be touted in their ads in a hot minute. I'd imagine any ad exec who wouldn't use the claim would be quickly out of a job.
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    If chevy does start to tout the goofy things that Dodge uses then they are no better. I am a big enough person to admit that if Chevy did it I would not like it either.

    Dodgeram, being the first at something DOES NOt mean that they are the best at it. Dodge has you right where they want you. You are the type of person that will run right out an buy the truck that 'was the first to offer a 10 cylinder engine'. Innovation does not equal success or quality. When a item is produced or added to a truck, it does not automatically mean that it is the best or the greatest. Ford could be the first to offer a sun roof in their super-duty trucks, but if the stupid thing leaks and won't seal properly then obviously we would not think that they were the best. Then Dodge might come along and improve the design of the sun roof and advance the idea that Ford had. Dodge would have the better product at that point. FIRST DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT.

    And I hope that you are not trying to tell me that Ford and Chevy would have never gone with four doors if Dodge hadn't come out with it. I hope that is not what you are saying. I don't think that I will be offering up prayers of thanksgiving at my Dodge alter for their leading Ford and Chevy down the road to truck prosperity.

    For the most part, most of Chevy's adds deal with the toughness and strength of their product. That IS a valid thing to advertise about. Rather than 'we were the first to offer a glove compartment............'

    Malibu1
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    Motor Trend truck of the year I believe, at least in the truck category, doesn't mean a whole lot. They do seem to just give it to the company that made the most wholesale changes to their product. I think that Chevy did a wonderful job however. And I did not contradict myself, I did not say that good sales indicate quality. That's really bogus. They sell more Ford Taurus' than Acura's, but don't anybody tell me that the Ford product is of a higher qualtiy. Bunk.
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    The only time that I can think of where the original was the best was in Coca-Cola.......

    One person or company may have an idea, but it is usually improved upon over time by the competitors.....Especially in the car game.
  • dennis4dennis4 Member Posts: 47
    Just like the introduction of the V8 was later greatly improved by the competitors , eh Malibu? :-) Dennis
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    first is not always best. someone can always come along with an improvement.

    i think the Motortrend means a lot. Funny how last year when Ford won, there were a lot of posts touting the greatness of the award, and now that Chevy won, it doesn't mean much. :)

    i think they do good tests that mean a lot to the consumer for that years vehicle. Brutus you were right, Dodge won in '94 when they redesigned. i've said it before-- the mostly recently designed truck has the most recent technology available. Ford had the best truck last year, Chevy's got the best one this year, Dodge will probably get it back in 2 years.
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    cdean: The only competitors for the MotorTrend award are those vehicles that have been redesigned. This was a matchup between the Chevy truck and the Ford SD -- and MotorTrend doesn't historically care about the heavy duty segment (and probably shouldn't, that's not where its readership's interests lie). Can you think of anyone else who could have won it? Next year, it'll be the new Toyota Tundra fullsize ... is anyone else even in the running?
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    malibu1, I can't believe you really think that Chevys ads aren't similar to Ford or Dodge. They all tout what they feel are their advantages over the competition. They use any stat to their advantage.

    Claims about customer satisfaction, highest resale, and anything that isn't actual number of units sold has a certain level of subjectivity. All of those claims have conditions which define the parameters. They have to explain the years the vehicles were bought or made, the years they were sold, whether they are using actual purchase price or MSRP or dealer invoice as a point of comparison. Are they counting trade-ins? What percentage of the resales were initially owned by fleets where the resale is lower, such as rental car companies that abuse their vehicles and contractors who tend to run their vehicles hard. What kind of questions were asked to the consumer about their satisfaction with the product? How many people were polled? What percentage is that of the total units sold during the period?

    As with any polling, you can manipulate the numbers to say what makes you or your company look good. That's not to say that any of the claims by the Big Three is false or misleading. It's just the way the advertising game is played. To think that Chevy is taking a higher road is to ignore the obvious. The Big Three are all playing the game on the same playing field.

    I'll agree that the number of units sold isn't necessarily representative of the quality of the vehicle. Several years ago, Ford was determined to have the Taurus beat out the Camry and Accord as the #1 best selling car in the US. They accomplished alot of it by increasing their fleet sales to rental car companies. That's the way alot of manufacturers pump up their sales figures.

    On the other hand, if you continue to sell a large volume of vehicles over an extended period (such as, say, 15 years), it very likely is an indication of a good quality vehicle. Poorly designed vehicles can't sustain high sales figures. You won't get repeat business and word-of-mouth advertising will reduce the number of first time buyers.

    But the question has to be asked, why the big deal about advertising? Get in and drive each truck and figure out what's best for you. Despite what you think, malibu1, all people who buy Fords and Dodges have not been duped by misleading advertising. I still want to see that big thing land in that Chevy truck bed.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    i thought it did land in the bed. i know one of those commercials something landed in the bed and rear bumper practically hit the ground.
  • DaggettDaggett Member Posts: 23
    You don't sell a lot of anything unless people think it is a good product for the $. Malibu1 used the turd sandwich analogy, saying that selling a lot of turd sandwiches don't mean they're good. Well who is going to buy a lot of turd sandwiches? Who is going to buy a turd sandwich when they could have a BigMac for nearly the same price?

    The fact the ford sells the most trucks means that a lot of people think they are a good product for the $. I have more confidence in that ad claim than I do something less quantitative like "the longest lasting". All the companies have fluffy ads, so what.

    ps. I don't drive a ford.
  • mharde2mharde2 Member Posts: 278
    I would be willing to bet that malibul has never driven a Ford or a Dodge. At least not in the past few years. People who who have such brand loyalty that the will not even try anything different are really missing the boat. I never thought that I would ever own a Dodge truck, and wouldn't have if I hadn't tried one. Give them all a try, a new opinion could be right around the corner.
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    Malibu1 has owned a Ford Truck and a Dodge car at one point in time. He is experienced and would not spout off otherwise. I still assert that sales figures are a goofy thing to base a truck purchase on and I am for sure of the opinion that the ' we were first to do it' idea for adds is totally bogus and not worth the air time that is used to say it. I do think that Chevrolet has the best trucks going right now. Just my opnion based on MY experiences. I have said in past posts that if Chevy's adds get goofy then I will admit it, I just haven't seen the Chevy add yet that says "we were the first truck maker to offer the Belgian Waffle maker in our extra cab models" Chevy...... like some syrup??

    Malibu1
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    I don't mind companies 'touting what they have over the competition' but come on......we sell more than you do na na na na na.... and Dodge's 'we changed the rules' garbage. I agree, drive all trucks that are out there, you have to , because Ford and Dodge aren't giving you much to go on in their adds.........

    Malibu1
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    I have seen the add also where it lands in the bed of the Chev............. followed thereafter by a collective sigh of defeat from Dearborn.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    to all: i wasn't aware that the motortrend truck of the year only looks at redesigned vehicles. if that is so, it seems pretty stupid. why not just make it the "Truck that got redesigned this year" award.

    about 3 months or so earlier, motortrend did a head to head test of half tons of the Big 3 and declared the Silverado winner on all counts.

    (i think the Ford in the test was a '98, but the only change their making for '99 is a few more horsies under the hood, but still not as much as the Bowtie's)
  • DavyddDavydd Member Posts: 121
    The October issue of Car and Driver magazine compared the 1/2 ton 4x4 extended cabs Dodge Ram, Ford F150 and GMC Sierra and gave the nod to the Sierra over Ford over Dodge in that order.

    The general consensus of almost all the magazines and the dozen or so reviews I have found on the net is that the 1999 Silverado/Sierra has made a significant technical leapfrog over both Ford and Dodge that probably won't be met again until their next model changes.

    The only negative knock on the new Silverado by most reviewers was the mild, not wild redesign. It seemed reviewers parroted each other on that aspect and I suspect it was more because they were disappointed Chevy didn't pull the same revolutionary redesign that Dodge and Ford previously did. That clouded their judgments in my opinion because I think the new Silverado is a damn nice looking truck compared to the 98s.
  • DavyddDavydd Member Posts: 121
    Dropping the load in the bed is an old commercial. Chevy's newest ad campaign for the 99 Silverados is less boastful and more esoteric image. The first was the cowboy commercial with the wild horses. The latest is the electric guitar music accelleration in the mud commercial. Both commercials are well done and pump you up. OK, I'm a sucker for them. I WANT that z71 Pewter Metallic extended cab LT model they tantalize with in the commercials.
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    The fact that the Silverado was not totally redesigned I think is one of it's better qualities. You can 'over-style' a truck and a few of the other makers are headed in that direction.

    Malibu1
  • PepsiForeverPepsiForever Member Posts: 3
    well guys and gals, I've read all the stuff in this for the past year and I want to thank all of you for your input and information. We'll be purchasing a 99 F250 4wd SD crew cab w/the diesel and lots of option goodies for the missus.
  • plymouth1plymouth1 Member Posts: 14
    #207 EdBedsworth. You can get some production figures at www.ai-online.com/stats/index.htm

    malibu1, Guess what? You won't be seeing any of those silly Chevy commercials with the best built longest lasting trucks anymore because now your friends at DODGE are using it for July 1988-1998 trucks. Must have been too many of you crashing your Chevy's lately. Too bad. Ever notice how from the side the new Silverado looks like a Dodge? They put the nice body line on the front fender to give it a bulge look (when viewed from the side) like the Dodge. Then they put the 1500 badges right on the door in the same place as the Dodges! Wow. That must blow your mind how they could come up with such original styling for an all new truck. Don't get me wrong. I like the new Silverado, but they benchmarked the Dodge all the way to job one!
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    Dodge Ad #2:

    "We were the first to offer a rotary temperature control.......the first to offer a grey interior on our quad cab trucks.......and the first to offer a 'bulge look' (when viewed from the side)........the rules have changed........"
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Who was it that said a few posts ago that they thought it was stupid to be bragging about being first? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

    I've been paying more attention to the Big Three truck commercials lately. Remind me again how the Chevy ads are so different from Ford and Dodge. I'm not saying they're worse, just that there is no significant difference.

    Didn't the Model T have a bulge look when viewed from the side?
  • AirwolfAirwolf Member Posts: 142
    Just thought I'd jump in and give my $.02 worth. Marketing and advertising are, by their very nature, designed to offer the viewer/respondant a solution to a problem they didn't know they had. Once educated, the viewer feels they must now have the solution to the problem.

    As far as claims in ads go, someone famous once said (I'm blanking right now), "There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics." Sure the disclaimers are there, but who can read the 6-point type at the speeds they put it up on the screen, or in the ad itself.

    Like Brutus said earlier, and others have agreed with, the purchase of a turck should be personal. One should just drive whichever one they like best, for the job it will do, and be happy. It's personal prefernce. If something goes wrong with it, then have it fixed. Sure none of us want a problem truck, but in reality, nothing is perfect, and most everyone will get a lemon sometime in their lifetime.

    Ford this, Dodge that. Chevy this, Ford that. Dodge this, Chevy that. It all boils down to relative expereince, personal preference, and opinions... which like a**holes, everyone's got one. Even me.

    Cheers,
    Ryan
  • dave40dave40 Member Posts: 582
    why does CHEVYS new 6.0 V8 have more horsrpower then FORDS V10 ? Is FORD going back to the drawing board to get more horses out of their V10, like they did with their 1999 5.4litter
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    Why does it matter? The largest Cummins rig on the road only has 600hp. My 6.8L can pull anything I really want it to. Why? It has 410 lbft of torque. That's where the power is. HP only dictates your maximum speed, torque indicates how long it will take you to get there with a load.
  • dave40dave40 Member Posts: 582
    It matters because I like to keep them FORDS in my rearveiw mirrow
  • mharde2mharde2 Member Posts: 278
    Like A Rock? How dumb is that? Who wants a truck thats like a rock? A rock doesn't go very fast...
    Rides like a rock maybe? :o)
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Dave 40, you're showing your ignorance about what trucks are all about. The V-10 is only available in the 3/4-1 ton trucks. What do most people use those trucks for? Take a look at the torque figures of those two engines. The horsepower of the Ford Powerstroke Diesel is 235. That's 40hp less than the V-10. Does anybody question that the diesel will tow a heavy load better? The PSD has 500 lb-ft of torque.

    The V-10 isn't even available in the F-150. It won't fit in the engine compartment. The V-10 replaces the 460. The comparative Chevy model is the 454. Chevy will soon replace that engine with a V-10. Chevy will be the last to make the change. Then again, how many people have you heard complain about the 454? It's been a great engine for Chevy, as have most of their gas engines. Isuzu will likely put them right back in the diesel competition as well.

    Will Ford improve the V-10? Sure. I predict the 2000 model year will have 300 hp and a few more ft-lbs of torque. I also suspect that Ford, Dodge or Chevy will be making a V-12 in the next five years. When their is competition, the consumers are the big winners. I'm a Ford man, but the best thing that happened to pickup owners was the Chrysler bailout.
  • dave40dave40 Member Posts: 582
    YES CHEVY IS LIKE A ROCK !

    But that DODGE is still a DART dodge dart dodge dart
  • mharde2mharde2 Member Posts: 278
    OH...BROTHER! This is going down hill fast.
  • dodgeramdodgeram Member Posts: 202
    Mailbu1, you must have alot of free time, buy the looks of it, you sit at home all day and [non-permissible content removed] at dodge or ford, because what they say in there commercials, now thats pethetic!

    Why don't get off your [non-permissible content removed], and actually drive the competitions trucks, and see for your self, why there better then those pesky little bowtie girs!
  • dodgeramdodgeram Member Posts: 202
    I ment girls!
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    dave40: Unless you're way over the speed limit, you still want torque. My F350 is limited at 95mph and has plenty of HP to stay up there, even towing a load. If you want a sports truck, you want a high torque engine, not necessarily a high HP one. I was helping a friend buy a new SD and test drove an F250 regular cab LWB 4x2 with the Powerstroke diesel. Its 235 HP was certainly 'faster' 0-60 than my 275HP. Why? An extra 90 lb.ft of torque.
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    dodgeram,

    I apologize if I have upset you so much. I cannot help what Dodge sees fit to put in their adds. Only they can. And they need to. My father - in law has a 98 Ram and I have driven it quite a bit. I have owned a F-150 and a 97 Chevy half ton. I have 'gotten off my [non-permissible content removed]' so to speak. I can have an opinion just as easily as you can tiger.

    Malibu1
  • vortec6000vortec6000 Member Posts: 6
    Read it and weep ford and dodge! Check out JANUARYS FOUR WHEELER MAGIZINE! NISSANS new FRONTIER pickup with 6 cylinder out scores FORD and DODGE ! HA HA HA
    FINAL RESULTS
    CHEVY 6449 points
    GMC 6307 points
    NISSAN 5904 points
    DODGE 5806 points
    FORD 5540 points
    FORDS V10 AND DODGES cummings beaten by a [non-permissible content removed] 6 banger HA HA HA
  • stanfordstanford Member Posts: 606
    Er, for what? I'd gladly take a Ford or Dodge diesel 1 ton to pull a 6 horse before I'd touch a compacy 6 cylindar. I will admit though that they can't touch the smaller trucks in trail navigation (which is where I bet the magazine was focusing) just as the Ford SD and the Dodge Cummins won't have the on-road comfort of the 1/2 ton Chevy. What were the categories?

    Come to think of it, one of the 4X4 mags recently rated the new Jeep Grand Cherokee the most capable 4X4 over things like the Hummer -- their tests were 'real world' and included things like road noise in the cabin.

    It all depends on what you're looking for. No one truck fits all people, and the ones that try invariably fail. I'm still very happy with my F350 -- it does what I want it to do. You're needs may (and probably will) vary dramatically from mine. While I hope you enjoy your Chevy, I wouldn't claim that it can outperform Ford and Dodge when you don't even know what the test would be.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I wonder how that Nissan with the six banger would do with a 3,000+ pound slide-in camper or a 10,000+ pound fifth wheeler in tow.

    Get real. Apples to apples. You're comparing a mid size V-6 to a full size heavy duty V-10? Different trucks for different uses.

    There is not a compact, midsize, 1/2 ton, or 3/4 ton that could do what I need and a 1 ton single rear wheel would be pushing it since it would be over the GVWR. Without opting for a diesel, there is no more efficient engine choice for my use than one of the V-10s or the biggest Chevy V-8.
  • dodgeramdodgeram Member Posts: 202
    Was that a dakota 5.9l R/T, I don't think so!
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    Dodge - we were the first to name a truck after a midwestern state...........

    See your friendly Dodge dealer for details....
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    If I'm not mistaken, Malibu is a city in LA county and the ad men were likely figuring the name would attract surfer boys who wanted a sporty car to attract blonde babes in bikinis. How about some other Chevy/GM vehicles that were named after places such as Tahoe, Monte Carlo, Yukon, and Sierra. And I suppose you figure that the Suburban wasn't appropriately named to appeal to the well-to-do families in the Burbs?

    What part of advertising strategy don't you understand and why is it that you think Chevy/GM doesn't use as agressive tactics as are legally permissible when attempting to sell their vehicles to certain target markets?
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    (cracking knuckles)

    haven't been to this topic in a while, but i just finished reading the last 60 posts in here.

    Advertising:
    ============

    Everybody's ads are to entice you, the one with the cash, to buy their vehicle, and they will use their vehicle's advantages to make the sale. Dodge's "firsts" claims are valid from the standpoint of innovation. Ford's sales claims are valid because they sell more F-series trucks than any other vehicle nameplate on the planet in any country. Chevy's longest-lasting claims are valid in terms of not having to buy one very x years. These same ads are flawed for the exact same reasons. Dodge was first, but that gave the others reason to one-up them. Ford sells the most, but cranking them out that fast causes qulaity problems. Long-lasting Chevys also means no one wants to replace their older truck for a new one.

    You take into account whichever claim means the most to you, then you go see them in person. You drive them. And you make your decision on the showroom floor, not on the couch during a football game.

    The worst ad right now has to be for the new GMC Sierra - the one where they say their truck is for the "one=percenters". Completely ignoring the fact that the identical Chevy Silverado is apparently for the other 99%. And that the GMC costs more for no apparent reason.

    Magazine tests/awards:
    ======================

    Absolutely pointless. The car magazines are looking for car features when they test trucks. Read that C/D comparison carefully. The Dodge was rated last because it was the most trucklike of the three. Huh? It's a @%$#^ truck!!!
    That Four Wheeler test always puts emphasis on recreational off-roading. While there are some who do it, the majority of people buying a Cummjins-powered Ram or a Super Duty Ford aren't looking to take on the Rubicon next Saturday. They're looking to carry or drag something VERY heavy.

    I gave up on Motor Trend some time ago. BVoth in MT and their new offshoot, Truck Trend, they prove how unknowledgeable and dramatically lazy they are. In the stat box: Tire size "not available". Excuse me? Did it occur to you losers to get on your knees and READ the size of the tire since you just spent days driving it? And as has been pointed out, a lot of these "of the year" tests are only for vehicles significantly redesigned. Four Wheeler, and Petersen's 4Wheel & Off Road are evern worse - their criteria? Significantly redesigned or a new engine! This is why the Dodge was even in the FW test. There have been years past where old, outdated trucks have been entered just for having added fuel injection to an otherwise similar engine.

    The only magazine I have put any stock in lately is Open Road, and unfortunately for those who don't need it, they only test 4x4s. But they don't compare apples to oranges like the others. At worst, they might compare a Granny Smith to a Golden Delicious.

    Vehicle names:
    ==============

    Now that trucks are using names along with their weight class numbers, it's important to trigger an image with that name. Bighorn sheep butting heads. The "Super Duty" series. Thoughts of the Old West. All rugged, hard-working implications. Twenty five years ago, trucks had a brand and a number, and the only people who bought them, actually needed them. But as the consumer truck craze grows, it's important for the automakers to sway the fence-straddlers into their truck, and that rugged name does the job in many cases. Do you think you'd be interested in buying a "Dodge Class 1" instead of a "Dodge Ram 1500"?

    Market research:
    ================

    Being in market research, and having done plenty of studies on vehicles, I can tell you that more people pay attention to these ads than you might want to believe. And the thing is, they don't remember the actual vehicle as much as the ad itself. The Barbie dolls in the remote-control car. A lot of people remember the ad - not nearly as many remember it's for Nissan. Heck, we used to do a battery survey for years - EVERYBODY knows the pink bunny. They all know the slogan "going and going and...". At least a third of them thinks it's for Duracell.

    These surveys, and the ads that mention them, are an attempt to solidify name recognition. And in some cases, the research says automakers have to go further. Did you know that from 1955 until 1988, the Thunderbird did not have the name Ford anywhere on its exterior, but in 1989, they added the blue-oval plaque to the trunklid? Why? To reinforce the name Ford in the public eye. It's all about mental manipulation. Completely off-topic, but similarly, research says people think skim milk is healthier, but if you have to, you can buy 1% or 2% milk. Ever read the label to see the fat content of whole milk? It's 3.5%. Yep, whole milk is 96.5% fat free. Do they advertise that? Nope - that would mean only one milk product to make, resulting in lower costs. Instead, they make 4 milk products playing on the health fear, it requires extra production costs, and they pass it on to you.

    ====================

    Take all of what you see and read with a grain of salt. Nothing should sway your decision for buying a new truck more than your eyes on the sheetmetal, your ears listening to the engine, your hands on the wheel, and your butt in the seat. When you find the truck that fits you and your needs best, buy it. When other people ask about it, tell them why you bought it, but more importantly, how you use it.
  • dodgeramdodgeram Member Posts: 202
    Couldn't agree with you anymore! Well put!
  • AirwolfAirwolf Member Posts: 142
    Very nice indeed. You capsulized many of the areguements here, and although a few of your points had wandered into my mind, I never thought to type them out! Fantastic job.

    I hope that now, we can return to a more civilized discussion about actually experiences as to why one is better than the other.

    Cheers,
    Ryan
  • ruzruz Member Posts: 59
    Thanks for the great post, kcram!
  • malibu1malibu1 Member Posts: 52
    You're swell KCram, have you thought of running for president of this topic.........

    I found your post to be a little long-winded and preachy.......but I must hand it to you for having the staying power to type all that in. You must REALLY like trucks.......
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