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Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2005 and earlier



  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I guess y'all will have to wait to vote for the Consumer Most Wanted for 2004 award.

    "Give us your feedback about our Editors' Most Wanted picks.

    Steve, Host
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You're kidding, right? You really want our feedback? Just remember, you asked for it :)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    lol, that's an entirely different department than us hosts. Blast away. Just don't mention my name :-)

    Seriously, that was a cut and paste from the bottom of the Most Wanted article. Don't be surprised to see your missives quoted in the Letters section in a month or two.

    Steve, Host
  • wifemmwifemm Posts: 16
    I bought a used 2002 AWD MM with 17Kmiles for my wife, and overall we're really happy with it. The ride is great, roomy and getting 15.5mpg, all city driving.

    The OEM Goodyear tires definitely will not last past 30Kmiles, they're already showing significant wear.

    Also, the aluminium accent on the steering wheel is fading out, especially the bottom left spoke. We took it to the dealership since it's still under warranty, they replaced it with a new style, leather all around. This is the standard since 2003 cause Ford has too many problems with the aluminium accent. So, all of you who have warranty left better go get it change asap.
  • I still cannot find a dealer or anyone affiliated with Ford that knows anything about the press release, below. My brother wants to buy/order an '04 Explorer an integrated SIRIUS radio, yet no one knows anything. This is how Ford shoots itself in the foot. The GM competition has the XM in the vehicles, on the lot, ready to go.

    SIRIUS Satellite Radio Now Available on Select Ford, Lincoln and Mercury Vehicles
    Thursday September 18, 4:33 pm ET
    * SIRIUS satellite radio retails for $329 plus installation and tax on ten 2004 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles. * Ford Motor Company has future plans to offer SIRIUS to its other brands.

    DEARBORN, Mich. and NEW YORK, Sept. 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Ford Motor Company (NYSE: F - News
  • I can see that the OEM tires on my '03 Mountaineer won't last beyond 30,000 miles. They are BF GOODRICH Rugged something-or-other. What do you folks recommend as replacements. These tires can be had for about $100 per plus taxes and mounting. The Michelin Cross-Terrain, the choice OEM tire on many '04 new Ford and GM SUVs, costs about 50% more. Will I get 50% more treadlife? And if it's ONLY 50% more, then I am better off getting new Goodrichs every 30K I guess?

    Any other suggestions???
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    I found this press release at Ford.Com

    Looks like you are right though. It say's specifically, "dealler installed option." That may or may not be a big deal. It could be installed before delivery, and would be warranteed for 3years/36,000 miles.
  • Yes, it does say dealer-installed option. To me that means that SOMETHING has to be SPECIFIC FROM THE FACTORY to ACCEPT that dealer installed option. In other words, it's not just the dealer installing the same thing that Circuit City would install in ANY car. And they list the models that CAN accept this dealer-installed option...meaning that there is something differentiating them from the models that CANNOT accept it. What is galling (but typical for Ford) is that it's November and the dealers have no clue about it yet it's been the media for us consumers for 2 months.
  • gregb5gregb5 Posts: 82
    On your tire question: check into the Bridgestone Dueler A/T REVO. You can research at People rate them as THE BEST tire in its category.
  • I'll look at Bridgestone, but the Bridgestone-Firestone thing spooks me.
  • wifemmwifemm Posts: 16
    I see that some of you are also experiencing wind noise from the passenger side. I notice the noise on the highway going at about 60+, then I realized the front passenger door is out of alignment. The door sticks out a little, took it to the dealership and they adjusted the catch, the door now close flush and the noise is gone.

    On the tire choice question I would go with the Michelin Cross-Terrains, I saw them on sale @ walmart last month for $125 which is not a bad price for 60Kmiles tires.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    We have 30,000 miles on our 02 Mountaineer, and the Goodyear tires still look like brand new! What's up with that?
  • "We have 30,000 miles on our 02 Mountaineer, and the Goodyear tires still look like brand new! What's up with that?"

    You sound disappointed. If it will make you feel better, I'll trade you my Goodyears, also with 30K miles, that I worry won't make it until the Spring. As a bonus, I'll also swap the alloy wheels with the mysterious looking scratches on them!! ;-)
  • Re: tire comments, my XLT Explorer w/ Sport pkg has the 245/65R/17" tire w/ maybe 15K miles on. No signs of wear at all. I am spirited driver and very picky about tires. I can say after many new vehicle purchases, this is the first time I will replace the OEM tires with the same exact tire when they do wear out. Very quiet running, low rolling resistance, great ride and handling. I took a sharp 2" screw in one of the tires and it did not even penetrate the belts (no air leak). My bet would be that Ford learned from the Firestone fiasco not to be loyal to any one manufacturer, and uses these as the tire on the premium-priced vehicles since it stacked up better than the Michelin & Goodyears. Its a winner all around!
  • I now have same problem as you do Steve.....was there any solution?
    prior message******************

    #1313 of 1643 8 cyc stall/surge on braking by dvdsteve Mar 15, 2003 (4:02 pm)
    Greetings from New Jersey...
    I have an '03 Mountaineer Premier with the 8 cycinder engine. 11,500 miles in 4 1/2 months.
    At least twice a day, and only when I am braking to a stop, at the moment I stop, my engine surges high to low to high to low, or, it stalls.
    3 trips to my dealer and of course, it never happens when they test drive it, nor do they find anything when they put it on their computer.
    Any thoughts on this???
    Thank you for any responses...
  • Ordered an '04 EB - Sirius radio is shown as dealer installed option in '04 brochure. Was first told it was $500 - salesman got it to $400. Picking it up in a month. Have XM now in a Camry (installed by CCity).
  • but it's not clear that ALL '04 Explorers have "SAT READY" radios. Somone at FLATRATETECH.COM (a Ford bulletin board) says you have to be sure to order it with a special SAT READY radio, THEN have the dealer unit installed to that.
  • the BF Goodrich Rugged Trail T/A tires. I measured the spare tire that is still new and it has 13/32nds of tread. My four "somewhat worn" tires have 8/32nds left at 16500 miles. Which means that the tires will last to about 30,000-33,000 miles or so when it will be around 3/32nds and be time for new tires. The Michelin tires that I bot at NTB for my '99 Explorer (courtesy of Ford) now have 50,000 miles on them and are good for about another 5000 miles or so.

    So is the Michelin worth 50% more? It's probably a wash. BF Goodrich is $110 at Sams Club and Michelin Cross-Terrain is $160. Costs 50% more and lasts about 50% longer. The difference is that there is less hassle and less changeover (mounting, balancing). So maybe the Michelin IS worth it.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Not disappointed at all. I expected it. Just confused at the other complaints, that's all.
  • I have 30k on my 2003 MM Premier since February. I have the BF Goodrich tires and they are showing now signs on wear. I believe they are the 245/65/17 tires. I do run these tires at 35lbs on all four corners, I think the sticker on the gas door states 30 lbs front 35 lbs rear... that was to mushy for me. Low tire pressure can result in tire wear.
  • So, that would explain the $400 - I didn't factory order the EB, so we will see. Thanks for the info. I'll let you when we pick it up ..........
  • Are there any major differences with these 2 models? Also, is there any size difference between the XLS and the XLT.
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    so there will be a length increase of something just over two feet between 'em.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    If you click on the "New Cars" tab at the top of the page here, proceed to click on "Ford", then select "Explorer," you should be able to find all of the answers to your questions regarding the differences between the XLS and XLT. The photos that you will see once you get to that page will show you an XLT, and from what I know, I believe that both the XLT and XLS are 4-door.
    The big difference between the two, is mainly what options you can get. For instance with the XLT, you can upgrade your wheels, stereo, interior (to leather if you wish), and get the V8 just to name a few. I hope that this will help you at least a little :-) Goodluck!
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    We have a new 2003, V-8, 4wd, t/tow package, XLT, air curtains, 3800 miles. In the early going the V-8's mileage is very suspect, gas tank too small. With miles, the mileage is slowly getting better. 15-16 mpg day in day out, 20 on the hwy.

    Michelin 235/70R/16 Cross-Terrain tires have a treadwear rating of 420 or so versus 700 for regular Michelin Tire Store Michelins. Anyone know the difference? Typical Ford cheapo
    version? Hnadling not that good witht he 235/70R/16 size. Any suggestions such as a tire in the 65 series? Is any 65 series size suitable? Same height? Michelin OEMs seem to be wearing down fast.

    No mechanical problems at all in first 3,800 miles.
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    and that is alleged to be the mileage you should get on that pair of tires.

    ford may have spec'ed a softer or tackier rubber compound, or traction requirements that translate to the same thing, for their OEM tires, and that would account for the difference.

    if you tell the Michelin-franchise tire counter guy you want the tires for a 2003 explorer, they might indeed find their replacement tire is built more like the OEM tire than your look at what may be a general replacement.
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 855
    The most likely reason for the difference in treadwear ratings is rolling resistance.

    Vehicle manufacturers have to meet CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) requirements set by the US government. One of the ways to help meet these requirements is to use low rolling resistance tires, and one of the ways to get low rolling resistance in tires is to sacrifice treadwear (Another way is traction and that's just not a good option).

    Fuel economy is rarely an issue in the aftermarket, but treadwear is - big time! - so most aftermarket tires will have higher treadwear ratings than their OEM counterparts. The notable exception to this is high performance tires where traction is the issue in the aftermarket, and treadwear is a bit of an issue in the OEM market.

    Hope this helps.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You're kidding right? I've never seen a number remotely that high, so either I need to get out more, or I just love cheap tires too. 420 is a good tire. There are lots of OEM tires out there with 260 and 320 numbers on them. I don't think Ford is cheaping out on the tires anymore after the Firestone mess. They can't afford to, and if you got Michelins, you don't have crap for tires.
  • I just purchased a set of Michelin Cross Terrains and the wear rating IS 700! I agree with you, I have never seen a rating that high...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    well, the tread will way outlive the carcass then.......
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