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Lexus IS 300 SportCross
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OTOH, all of the above items turned out to be false! Not every dealership emphasizes the same strict adherence to published data, unfortunately.
The problem with the SX is that there are rarely available examples to shop, so you kind of have to take someone's word for it, or do an awful lot of checking around!
We have a CPO'd one sitting in the lot gathering dust right now.
J. Mess, you said you also have another set of wheels with your snow tires, is there a reason? What brands of tire do you use winter and summer? I'm trying to factor all information into the price?
Can anyone tell me the measurements of the cargo area with the seats up; width, length and height. My wife uses a wheelchair and I would like to figure out if it can fit folded and standing up without putting the seats down. It obviously won't fit lying down.
I'm also going to try and drive one of these wagons if I can find one. I drove the IS sedan and am basing my desire to own a Sportcross on that test drive. If anyone can offer opinions on the differences, please do. Thanks to those who have/will respond.
I think the chair will have to be folded and you should really test it out before you buy a car to see if it will fit. The trunk area in the sportcross with the sliding cover closed is actually slightly smaller than the trunk in the sedan but minus the hinges. The folding rear seats are split about 1/3 on driver side and 2/3rd on passenger side.
I have a friend who has a very light weight chair that he sticks in the back seat of his M3 coupe. He removes one wheel, then folds it up. Seems to work really well for him.
I think this is one of the best looking cars on the road, hands down. I get plenty of curious looks and I have yet to see another one on the road. There is one in our parking garage at work, and that's one of the reasons I bought one. I kept seeing it everyday and the obsession took over.
Saz, I'm not sure where you're located (climate), but the all-season tires work pretty well for me. I did test drive a 2002 with summer tires, and it seemed to have a little more grip, but I don't drive like a maniac, so it's a good compromise for me. I have yet to try them in snow, obviously, but if it's deeper than my low-rider clearance, I'll just stay home all day and build a fire and drink some Scotch.
As for you getting a new one, I was ready to order one myself. Then they had their end-of-model-year sale with 2.9 financing. So I e-mailed every dealer between Baltimore and Raleigh (about nine dealerships) and found one who was willing to do a search for me. I paid a transport fee (I won't say how much, but it was worth it) and the car arrived in about two weeks. Be persistent with your closest dealer, though. My local dealer didn't contact me until after I had paid the transport fee to the other dealer. I told them that they missed out on a very easy sale.
Good luck getting yours. If you need to get a better judgement on the cargo area, see if you can find a used one (autotrader.com) near enough for you to go look at. I drove 100 miles to test drive a used one and measure the cargo area. I even took suitcases with me to make sure they fit. The guys were pretty pissed when I wouldn't deal with them, but it's always fun to harass used car dealers, especially really bad ones.
I'll keep reading these posts, in case I can help you out in any way.
Revka
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There are a lot of choices for tires. Almost all of them will last longer than the OEM Bridgestone RE040s. I didn't wait for my stock tires to wear out. I have already replaced them with GoodYear F1s on some different wheels. So now I have 3 sets of wheels and tires for my car. It seems like I am never happy unless I have 3 sets.
I think one the key price drivers for the 03s was the $1000 factory to dealer incentive. With the 04s that doesn't exist yet. You should still be able to get real close to invoice even if you order the car.
Other than that love the car. I just realized that my alignment is off and both my fronts are pooched. How long do you guys figure it would take to wear the inside treads right down (flat). I am thinking that it should have been noticed in my last service in August (2000kms ago). I may go after the dealership on it.
If your car was grossly out of alignment you could eat the tires up in 2000 KM but you should notice something has changed in the way the car drives. Most people would figure you hit something. The service folks will review your service records to see what the techs have noted for tire wear. I would ask for the specific tread depth measurements on the inside, middle, outside of the tires. The point being if they don't measure how do they know. Most of them couldn't tell you what the tread depth even is for a new tire so how can they say a tire has 70% of the tread left?
The more KMs you have on the car the harder it will be to get them to replace them. My car had 6,000 miles when I first discovered the wear problem.
As a last resort, if the inside edge has some rubber left, you could have the tires remounted so the inside edge is now the outside.
1. Dealer allocations are low. In the entire southeast, only three are allotted.
2. I'll have to order one, but may not get it. They have to have enough orders to justify production.
3. No changes for 2004.
4. I asked how it made sense for the company to offer a car that they apparently have no intention of marketing, building or selling. "It's just a special car, ma'am."
5. He said to "work with my dealer" to get a car. I mentioned that I'd already spoken with four of them, and they seemed completely unconcerned with selling me a car. He said I had to sound serious. (I was.)
Business must be great for Lexus that they can basically blow off potential customers. I noticed some of the same complaints about Lexus dealers on this board. I know they're a luxury dealer, but why do I have to beg them to sell me a car?
Can anyone suggest a dealer in the Atlanta area who will actually talk to me? My husband wants an SUV (which we don't need and I don't want), and the SportsX with its cargo space may make him happy. Also can anyone who owns one of these fabled vehicles give me an idea of what it's like?
Thanks ya'll.
After reading reviews and message boards about the SportCross, I decided that this is the car I want.
I have test drove a BMW 325i wagon and VW Passat Wagon. I have had two BMWs, 325is and 325i, so i was really close in purchasing the BMW wagon. Although BMW makes great performance machines, they are too expensive to maintain. VW seems to have yet to figure out how to keep cars on road instead of in the repair shops.
So I went to the lexus dealship...
When I got to the dealership, it was as predicted from reading this board how the sales rep would respond to the request of a SportsCross. First the sales rep. said, "SportsCross didn't do well in 2003 so they discontinued it." I was shocked to hear that since we all know a 2004 model coming out. I figure the sales rep. would know this much.
Anyway, I told her that there'll a 2004 coming out. She had to go talk to the sales manager to find out the truth. Then she came back with statistics showing how many are produced for the North Eastern Region (meaning from Virginia to Maine) for both IS300 and IS300 SportCross.
Well, only 8 (eight) are being allocated to the North Eastern Region!!!! I think 2 black, 4 silvers, and 2 of another color I don't remember.
She says I would have to order one because the dealership won't get it.
Since I could not test drive SportsCross, I decided to test drive the IS300 Sedan that matches as closely as possible to the SportCross. I loved the way the Sedan drove with the E-shift. Interior is awesome! From the reviews, many have said that the SportsCross performs even better than the Sedans at cornering due to better weight distribution.
After the test drive, I knew that the SportsCross is the wagon that I wanted.
I was able to put a $1000 deposit down for a black 2004 SportCross. BUT I will have to wait 2-3 months before the car arrives!
Although I wish that Lexus would do a better job in marketing and keeping dealerships supplied with the SportsCross, I am sort of glad they have done a bad job. This makes the car even more special since I have never even seen one on the road. I know it's crazy of me to order a car that I have never seen or drive, but I think it will be worth losing the $1000 non-refundable deposit to have the chance to get the best wagon out there. Hey, as long as it drives like the IS300 or better, I will be very happy! and it's a wagon?? very crazy.
Anyway, for those of you interested in the SportCross, I'd say that you will have to just test drive the Sedan version. Then take the chance of putting down the deposit and order one. Because you just don't know when Lexus will really discontinue this model as all Lexus sales reps. claims all the time.
Yeah, it's weird that I was the pusher and the sales rep. was the reluctant one. But I did still get the SportsCross at a decent price of $31,500. I really wanted to cut it down to $30,000, but I wanted it, wanted it badly! hehe.
Anyway, I hope to get the car soon.
I will post another message with my full review for the new 2004 model. They added memory power driver seat and converted the nav. tray on the dash into cargo for those units that don't have the nav. system installed.
don't trust the sales rep. with spec. and feature information about the sportcross. they really don't know what they are talking about.
according to the press release on the lexus site on september 1, 2003 for the IS300, they did add some new features of the 2004 sportcross model. these features are also listed on the spec/feature sheet my dealership gave me for the 2004 Sportcross I ordered.
changes for 2004...
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A maintenance indicator light has been added for 2004.
New smoked gray surrounds for the headlights, foglights and taillights give IS 300 models a distinctive design highlight for 2004.
a new two-position memory for the driver's seat to enhance convenience. A security upgrade for 2004 is the new speed-sensitive and shift-linked automatic door lock/unlock feature.
Revka
Host of Hatchbacks & Wagons
When the 02s didn't sell well the dealers yelled at Lexus who then pulled the plug on the supply. A lot of dealers had 5 or 6 sitting on the lots. When 03 rolled around there were still some left over 02s so the dealers didn't want more. About the middle of 03 people started figuring out what the cars were and started asking for them. The standard dealer response was the cars were discontinued.
What gets me is there really aren't that many car models that Lexus sells. So how could any salesrep not know about the 03 or 04 SportCross. It doesn't speak very well for a dealer or Lexus for one of their representative to be so uninformed about the products they sell. You have to be pretty stupid not to have a basic understanding of the product line you sell, or you have to be a good liar to convince customers that Lexus doesn't make the SportCross any more.
I enjoy how rare the car is. I removed the IS300 badge from the back but left the Lexus emblem on the center of the hatch. People stop and look at the car on a daily basis and scratch their heads trying to figure out what it is.
first i want to thank you for posting all these messages on the board. your posts played a major role in my decision making process.
i am going to remove the IS300 badge as well when i get the car. that's a great idea.
yeah, it was quite disappointing to hear the misinformed sales rep telling me that they are not making the SportCross anymore. The funny thing is that the Brochure behind the sales rep for the IS300 has pictures and text about the SportCross for 2004.
The sales reps for lexus certainly need to at least flip through their own brochures and know their own products.
Anyway, I am trying not to count down the days till I can pick up my car.
To take off the IS300 badges just use good quality dental floss and saw through the glue; it is really easy. If it is cold that day, use a hairdryer to warm the glue up.
man, i wish i could get the car sooner. the bmw dealship called me and wants to buy my car. they said someone wants to buy my model year. since i went in to check out the bimmer wagon, they knew i had one. they still want my car even though i am buying the lexus instead!
i brought it in to let them check it out. they are offering me a price higher than i can get trading it in or selling it on my own. the reason is that they have all my service records. my odometer got reset when it broke and replaced by a new one. So that makes the car harder to sell on my own. The BMW dealership's offer is right in between the trade-in value and the private party value according to kelly's blue book.
BUT they want it within a week while the lexus i ordered won't be in for another couple of months. i am trying to work out an alternative transportation since i only own one car. i am hoping a friend of mine can lend me a car for a couple of months.
anyway, i am praying that lexus will make my car fast so that i won't have to trouble my friend too much. i just wish the bmw dealer didn't want it this fast. i really hate to pass up the opportunity b/c i am sure i won't get another great offer for my bmw like this again.
what would you guys do in this situation? you think the lexus dealership will grant me a loaner?
I think most dealers would have a hard time lending somebody a car for a couple of months. Renting a cheap car or buying a junker that will run for a couple of months are some options. It would pretty much be a trade off between the extra bucks the BMW dealer will give you for the car now vs what it would cost you to have alternative wheels until your SportCross gets here.
thanks jmess for all the help and insight.
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Base MSRP* $30,805.00
Delivery, Processing & Handling Fee† $545.00
Available Packages $1,545.00
• Leather/Alcantara Trim Value Package with Additional Options
- Leather/Alcantara Trim Value Package
- Heated Front Seats
Accessory Options $194.00
• Heated Front Seats Included
• Leather/Alcantara Trim Value Package Included
• Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo Mat, Cargo Net and Wheel Locks) $194.00
Total MSRP** $33,089.00
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The Leather/Alcantara Trim Value Package with Additional Options includes Leather/Alcantara Trim with 8-way Power Adjustable Driver and Passenger Seats, Homelink System, One-touch Open/Close Moonroof, and Heated Front Seats.
The Preferred Accessory Package includes Cargo Mat, Cargo Net and Wheel Locks.
My dealership did not tell me that I got the Preferred Accessory Package. But I know I have Cargo Mat, Cargo Net, and Wheel Locks according to my order form.
I am in Virginia. I ordered the car from the Richmond Lexus dealership.
Although I have never seen a Sportcross, the size is similar to the BMW wagon. However, BMW site says the 3-series wagon has cargo volume of 25.7 cubit feet. while the Sportcross' cargo volume is a bit smaller at 21.8 cubic feet.
I have seen the BMW wagon's cargo area which is not that big. BUT, for me, I was looking for a versatile vehicle rather than cargo space. If you can't find the used Sportcross, check out the BMW wagon 3 series' cargo area.
VW Passat Wagon's cargo area on the other hand is huge in comparison to BMW. the VW is more of a station wagon than what i'd like to call a "4 door coupe with a hatch".
BMW stands really close to the Lexus. BUT i chose Lexus over BMW b/c of price and styling. BMW wagons have been looking the same for a long time now.
BMW does not come with as many standard features as the Lexus. when i priced the bmw to match the lexus, BMW was had a MRSP of $36,000 + for a 2003 model.
If you have lots of choices, i'd definitely suggest comparison shopping to get the best deal. however, lexus is only producing a small number of sportcross 2004 models for the 4th quarter. if you have your heart set on one, you should move fast. b/c according to my dealership, they are only allocating 8 of these beauties for the 4th quarter in the North Eastern Region (Virginia up to Maine).
i am not familiar with the ordering process in terms of allotment or how they do it. but i am sure your dealer will work with you to find the car of your needs since you are willing to wait.
i just got an email from my dealer. she said that they just got my VIN Number for the car i ordered. so my car might be arriving sooner than expected.
does anyone here know the auto manufacturing process? the vin number should be placed before the windshield goes in. but how far in the production process do they put it on? 90% complete? 100%? anyway, i am just anxious.
IS300s' final assembly is in the U.S. or else where?
The IS is built in Japan.
10 weeks is what I was quoted last year on lead time for special order SXs. I did some calling around in my area though, and found 11 of them in the area (100 mile radius).
The car is rolling off the lines as the IS200, 300 and the Altezza Gita, so availability via ordering should not be an issue, I should think,
since the company shows it as an active US model.
My little mule is back in the shop this week and I'm in a Focus. [-( They're re-spraying the hood they screwed up the first time, and patching in some small spots under the fascia that I curbed (silly me).
Anybody else rub the underside of the front bumper, or am I just inept?
so i am hoping that maybe lexus is also the same as BMWs. i hope that Lexus did not give out the VIN to dealerships until the car is close to completion. i want the car badly. hehe.
thanks all for the reply. i found out that IS was built in Kanji (Iwate Plant), Japan last night after a little searching on the web. damn, that is a long way for the cars to travel. personally, i am a bit surprised to hear that Lexus are produced in Japan still. The labor costs are much higher there than it is in the States. Not to mention having to export them over to the states.
yeah, it is tough to get used to low front bumpers. i learned it the hard way with my old BMW 325is which had a very low front spoiler. i had to put back that front spoiler so many times from hitting the curb. although the spoiler often would barely clear the curb by about a fraction of an inch, backing up quickly causes the front end to dip and scrap the curb.
After having that car for about 6-7 years, i have learned to always park at least a foot or more from the curb no matter what car i was driving.
I think the only Lexus' built in North America are the ES and RX.
I just got my 1,000-mile checkup done at Lindsay Lexus of Alexandria (Virginia) and noticed that they had a 2003 silver with black leather/ecsaine interior for sale out front. I didn't know if anyone was looking (I'm a little behind on reading these posts) so I thought I'd put that out there. I found the Northern Virginia dealerships to be pretty helpful. The Alexandria dealership was where I got mine, but they had to have it shipped up from Florida. Even though I paid to have it shipped, the price and the low financing made it worth it. Remember, the sales staffs have access to new car inventory at all Lexus dealerships (either that or my guy called around) unlike our normal pre-owned searches that we can do on the web. I am truly ecstatic about my SportCross. I've had it over a month now, and can't wait to get in it every morning to go to work. The only complaint I have is the gas mileage, but it seems to be improving. Good luck to all of you who ordered. It will be well worth the wait, especially since you'll be getting the color and interior that you want. By the way, I still haven't seen another one on the road, except for the one in my parking garage that prompted me to buy one. It's good to have a rare, high quality car.
r0bertbr1an: i believe your local dealership is the one in richmond right? anyway, i just ordered mine from that dealership. man, maybe i shoulda gone up to alexandria to check it out. BUT i was so excited when they could order one for me at richmond, i was sold. i am glad that the one for sale at alexandria is not a black sportcross. phew.
i have a question though, howcome you are going up to alexandria for service when there's a dealership near you?
riez: yeah, i share your passion about manual transmissions. but even if they do make manual transmissions for the sportcross, it will be hard to get one. when i was looking at bmw wagons, the bmw sales rep said that not only do they not make that many wagons, they make even less with manual transmissions due to much less demand for them. yeah, i gave up the manual since i find the e-shift and tip-tronic autos quite impressive. not to mention the less headache during major traffic hours.
I really have grown to like the electronic throttle. When you lift off the gas the throttle closes much quicker than a cable/rod setup. In stop and go I find I have to use the brakes much less frequently that you normally would with an automatic. At higher speeds on the freeway you also get good compression braking with lift throttle.
Once I start really hustling the car through a series of corners doing the brake, downshift, gas, upshift dance the e-shift is far less satisfying than a manual. The biggest e-shift problem around town for me is not being able to select 1st gear along with the shift logic being programmed to short shift to 2nd gear unless you are close to full throttle in 1st. Probably uses less gas but it can be annoying when trying to do some point and squirt moves in traffic and having a delay in acceleration. You often get stuck waiting for the the transmission to kick down from 2nd to 1st gear, when it should have been in 1st already.
http://www.toyota.com/about/news/manufacturing/2003/09/25-1-tmmc.- html
the RX is the first Lexus manufactured outside of Japan and it is dated 09/2003.
i found this about the iwate plant where is300 is made.
http://www.kanto-aw.co.jp/eng/prdct/major.htm
Iwate Plant makes the following cars:
Toyota MarkII
Toyota Verossa
Lexus ES300 (Toyota Windom)
Lexus IS200, IS300 (Toytoa Altezza)
Lexus IS SportCross (Toytoa Altezza Gita)
Riez: yeah, i think i am giong to miss my manual very much. i curently live in virginia with lots of country roads. BUT i decided to go with automatic/e-shift b/c i am planning to move out to southern california very soon...Irvine or San Diego. Traffic is really bad out there. and I know that My left foot will be hating it if i stuck with a manual car.
Somebody said that the Stoneguard version provides a little more coverage than the Expel that I have.
Another thing to consider is having a piece of the clear bra material installed on top of the rear bumper cap to protect it during loading and unloading. My installer did the top of my bumper cap using some scrap material. He didn't even charge me for it.
i believe you have read my post with all the options and price for the one i ordered (posted on 10/01/03).
I have read and heard from many IS300 people/owners who are very pleased with the Expel Clear Bra that jmess has on his SportCross. I am also considering it. Stoneguard seems to be very good as well.
One thing I heard about clear bras is that they work best with Silver Color. You cannot even tell that the Bra is in place on a silver color car. However, with other colors, some have said that it is slightly visible up close.
Since I am getting a Black Onyx SportCross, I might just get a traditional black bra instead since it should blend in with the color quite nicely. I am still going to get the head lamp and fog lamp protectors no matter which bra i choose to use in the end.
I found that fine sand and gravel would work its way under the felt edging and scratch the paint during a long road trip (vacation). The scratches were really fine and could be polished out but over time ( 2 years ) you could tell where the edge of the bra was by looking at the paint
My car is the blue pearl metallic. You can't see the bra until you are really close to the car. Head on you have to be even closer to notice it. At an angle you can see it a little farther away. One of things that gives away the edge of the bra is wax can build up on the edge. Taking something soft to clean the edge after waxing helps to reduce this.
As you can tell I have no love for traditional car bras. I was not at all happy with the two that I have owned. I am sold on the clear bra though. My only concern is will it continue to look good as it gets older. I wonder what it will look like in 10 years.
I know I will probably look like hell in 10 years so why should I worry about the clear bra :-)
They took care of my chin scratches gratis. When I told the Mrs., she said, "well they SHOULD have". I agreed that it's what I would do as a businessperson, but I don't have that automatic level of expectation for others anymore. Anyway, nice to deal with a firm who actually cares if I ever come back!
OK J, I'm almost sold on the clear bra concept, but it'll be another 25 days before anything can go on the new paint.
I've got some real wear on the outside edges of the fronts (both sides evenly) at only 6K miles. The car has been aligned twice, once BC (before collision) and once AD (after deductible). Driving style?
BTW, I've decided to go to a future Lexus driving event, should something come my way, or spend a day at a performance school. This car has a way of showing me just how much I don't know about how to get the most out of it. And, of course, I thought I knew it all...