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driver100

fintail said:

I think it's been at least a year since went into Seattle and didn't venure off I5. Just not much there that I can't get here.

Seattle transit looks OK until you get out of the city proper or compare it to Vancouver (or sometimes even Portland), then it looks a generation behind - which it is.

isellhondas said:

I HATE driving into Seattle and trips are few and far between for that reason. I will say Seattle has a great in inexpensive bus system that works fine for us! Bellevue is bad enough now!

Instead of meeting 2 adult children and granchildren in Victoria BC we are meeting in downtown Seattle for a change....we are staying right downtown. I want to see them throw the fish in the market.

jmonroe

stickguy said:

JM, at that pace, and with the Hyundai warranty, just keep it for the 10 years and see if you even care at that point!

I'm thinking the same thing because Mrs. j has told me several times I'm not allowed to get another car because I don't drive the one I have. My only hope to see another car in our garage is if she gets tired of her 2012 Legacy that will turn 31K miles the next time it comes out of the garage. Only problem there is, she is not a car gal and likes driving what she has. Her car philosophy is, as long as it starts and goes she's more than satisfied. I've gotta come up with a plan of some kind.

jmonroe

stickguy

pull a plug wire.

explorerx4

@driver100,
I'm getting to experience euro sedan like depreciation. Don't like it. but not the end of the world/

jmonroe

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I'm getting to experience euro sedan like depreciation. Don't like it. but not the end of the world/

You're looking at this all wrong. You have the luxo feeling with an econobox wallet.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

I'd imagine RFID tech could do a lot of that already, not sure about the cancel part though. Something will have to evolve past self-service scanners, as many people don't want to use them and probably just as many others simply can't figure them out.

I heard a joke, something along the lines of "WalMart has just reported it is closing 1800 stores. 28 cashiers will be out of a job"

At least the Amazon model is placing those people in other roles, at least for now. There's a huge issue on the horizon regarding employment.

venture said:

I agree.

I told my wife, about a year ago, that eventually you will just go to a store and walk out with your purchases. You would have everything taken out of an account or billed; whichever way you have it set up. She said I was nuts. That is probably true, but it's coming.

It's interesting that they use cameras to watch everything. My fantasy was that a scanner would scan you as you left the store and be able to pick up a chip on everything you have. It would be able to cancel that chip so if you went back into the store with those items it wouldn't be able to scan them again thereby not charging you twice.

Gee, even I can figure those out and as technophobic as they come. I just bought a Trac Phone for work in case of breakdowns and it took me all afternoon to teach myself how to text. The Garmin GPS fought me too.

tjc78

driver100 said:

I know sedans are out of favor but I don't want to drive an SUV or crossover....a vehicle without a trunk. I like the dynamics of a car.....the feel of a car, the lower center of gravity of a car, no windshield washer fluid sloshing around sounds. Generally, I like the look of a car more too.

What SUV have you driven that has “sloshing around sounds”. I prefer cars too, but both of our Enclaves have been like a bank vault on wheels.  

cdnpinhead

fintail said:

There's a huge issue on the horizon regarding employment.

Ya think? Let's hear it for the $15 (or $30) minimum wage.

explorerx4

@tjc78,
Driver100 doesn't realized what changed is hearing loss.

fintail

I don't think minimum wage has anything to do with it. We'd be flying towards automation if minimum wage was $1/hour. The issue is the rate of population growth eclipsing the growth rate for decent wage jobs. UBI might end up being a real issue soon.

IMNSHO, minimum wage should be at least what it was, adjusted for a basic CPI, when the luckyboomers were getting started 50 years ago. Today, it lags significantly.

cdnpinhead said:

fintail said:

There's a huge issue on the horizon regarding employment.

Ya think? Let's hear it for the $15 (or $30) minimum wage.

tjc78

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=142669760333&category=6340&pm=1&ds=0&t=1517189252157&cspheader=1

Here you @oldfarmer50
You know you want this.  Actually an odd one.. fully loaded but cloth interior, special order Florida car I’m sure. 

fintail

I imagined you would have a rotary dial mobile phone Texting on a flip phone can be quite time consuming, but if you have a smartphone, the learning curve should be pretty easy.

I;m a big user of self-checkout lanes, as I seldom have an order of more than $25 or so, and I want to get it over with.

oldfarmer50 said:

Gee, even I can figure those out and as technophobic as they come. I just bought a Trac Phone for work in case of breakdowns and it took me all afternoon to teach myself how to text. The Garmin GPS fought me too.

fintail

Terrible area to drive, but good for pedestrians. Every visitor has to see it. I don't think I have been to Pike Place in over 10 years.

driver100 said:

Instead of meeting 2 adult children and granchildren in Victoria BC we are meeting in downtown Seattle for a change....we are staying right downtown. I want to see them throw the fish in the market.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Unexpected mid size sedan market value collapse.

Man, am I sorry I read your post. I'll bet my full size wannabe ain't doing too good either. I guess if you don't have a crossover today you're stuck.

FWIW, even though it's Winter and I try to leave the Genny in the garage, since it wasn't a bad day today here in the Burgh, I decided to take it to watch Grandson #3 play hockey. As I'm driving down the PA Pike a few exits, I just happened to glance at the odometer as it turned 6666 miles. It will be 3 years old come June and has never seen a snowflake or a grain of salt. I hope those pluses save me a little.

jmonroe

With that kind if low milage I'll be interested in it after another 10 years or so when it's worth nothing.

stickguy

400 miles per year? I would be worried more about miles and usage being too low on this.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=142669760333&category=6340&pm=1&ds=0&t=1517189252157&cspheader=1

Here you @oldfarmer50
You know you want this.  Actually an odd one.. fully loaded but cloth interior, special order Florida car I’m sure. 

tjc78 said:

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=142669760333&category=6340&pm=1&ds=0&t=1517189252157&cspheader=1

Here you @oldfarmer50
You know you want this.  Actually an odd one.. fully loaded but cloth interior, special order Florida car I’m sure. 

OH yeah! No price though which probably means they're looking for a home run.

Mr_Shiftright

It's $8,970. Kelley Blue Book for a perfect, low miles car is about $4,000. Private party $3,100. Trade-in $1,700.

venture

driver100 said:

I know sedans are out of favor but I don't want to drive an SUV or crossover....a vehicle without a trunk. I like the dynamics of a car.....the feel of a car, the lower center of gravity of a car, no windshield washer fluid sloshing around sounds. Generally, I like the look of a car more too.

Me too. I had that Ford Escape for about 6 months. That was all I could stand. I drive my wife's Forester occasionally and it reinforces my opinion.

qbrozen

tjc78 said:

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=142669760333&category=6340&pm=1&ds=0&t=1517189252157&cspheader=1

Here you @oldfarmer50
You know you want this.  Actually an odd one.. fully loaded but cloth interior, special order Florida car I’m sure. 

They paid $4300 for it on 1/17.
oddly, the condition was noted as only a 2.8. Hmmmm...

28firefighter

Looks like that Mercury is originally a Canada car (says manufactured by Ford Canada on the VIN sticker). 

Looks like they cleaned it up nicely for a 2.8...

driver100

jmonroe said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I'm getting to experience euro sedan like depreciation. Don't like it. but not the end of the world/

You're looking at this all wrong. You have the luxo feeling with an econobox wallet.

jmonroe

Another wannabe!

I want to drive what I want to drive....not too concerned about depreciation. If I don't get enough I keep the one I have...or eat the difference if I have to. I learned....depreciation isn't a good enough reason to settle for a car I don't really want.

driver100

tjc78 said:

driver100 said:

I know sedans are out of favor but I don't want to drive an SUV or crossover....a vehicle without a trunk. I like the dynamics of a car.....the feel of a car, the lower center of gravity of a car, no windshield washer fluid sloshing around sounds. Generally, I like the look of a car more too.

What SUV have you driven that has “sloshing around sounds”. I prefer cars too, but both of our Enclaves have been like a bank vault on wheels.  

Any SUV or wagon that I had to carry windshield wiper fluid in.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

fintail said:

There's a huge issue on the horizon regarding employment.

Ya think? Let's hear it for the $15 (or $30) minimum wage.

How does that help....higher pay = fewer jobs and more technology to do the work. Minimum wage jobs are just filler jobs until you get something better. Few people stay in a minimum wage job unless it is for extra household cash.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@tjc78,
Driver100 doesn't realized what changed is hearing loss.

Hearing loss would be good....then I wouldn't hear the sloshing around.

driver100

fintail said:

I don't think minimum wage has anything to do with it. We'd be flying towards automation if minimum wage was $1/hour. The issue is the rate of population growth eclipsing the growth rate for decent wage jobs. UBI might end up being a real issue soon.

IMNSHO, minimum wage should be at least what it was, adjusted for a basic CPI, when the luckyboomers were getting started 50 years ago. Today, it lags significantly.

cdnpinhead said:

fintail said:

There's a huge issue on the horizon regarding employment.

Ya think? Let's hear it for the $15 (or $30) minimum wage.

I will agree with Fin...tie it to the cost of living, that is fair. A lot of jobs aren't worth $15 an hour and some companies can't pay that amount. At least minimum wage jobs give people a chance to get started and prove themselves....oh, that is not an acceptable concept any more.....everyone should start off with a fairly high hourly wage or let the company go bust.

When i started the business we always started people off at $10 an hour....minimum was $9. We moved people up quickly if they were good. I couldn't have paid much more than that in the beginning....things were tight, as the business grew we were happy to increase pay.

driver100

28firefighter said:

Looks like that Mercury is originally a Canada car (says manufactured by Ford Canada on the VIN sticker). 

Looks like they cleaned it up nicely for a 2.8...

Made in Canada but shipped everywhere...that is where they all were made.

driver100

venture said:

driver100 said:

I know sedans are out of favor but I don't want to drive an SUV or crossover....a vehicle without a trunk. I like the dynamics of a car.....the feel of a car, the lower center of gravity of a car, no windshield washer fluid sloshing around sounds. Generally, I like the look of a car more too.

Me too. I had that Ford Escape for about 6 months. That was all I could stand. I drive my wife's Forester occasionally and it reinforces my opinion.

I had an Escape rental. Great car.....but, not for me. It is well put together and is great value.......but fun quotient is about 2 out of 10.

stickguy

Driver, if you carry the washer fluid in the tank where it belongs, no sloshing noise. Check it once a month and you shouldn't need to be carrying a jug of it around.

actually, one other drawback to a hatch. In the winter, you can't keep your frozen food in the nice cold trunk to keep it from thawing on the way home from the store!

I am fine with driving a sedan, but I also love wagons/hatches (and will always have one of them in some form in the family). I really like the hatches that look like sedans (like my old 626 5 door, or the new Audi sportback A5 or BMW 3 series GT).

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I'm getting to experience euro sedan like depreciation. Don't like it. but not the end of the world/

You're looking at this all wrong. You have the luxo feeling with an econobox wallet.

jmonroe

Another wannabe!

I want to drive what I want to drive....not too concerned about depreciation. If I don't get enough I keep the one I have...or eat the difference if I have to. I learned....depreciation isn't a good enough reason to settle for a car I don't really want.

So what's your point, I agree with you. When did you come to this realization? It sounds like you are arguing with yourself.

jmonroe

jmonroe

stickguy said:

Driver, if you carry the washer fluid in the tank where it belongs, no sloshing noise. Check it once a month and you shouldn't need to be carrying a jug of it around.

actually, one other drawback to a hatch. In the winter, you can't keep your frozen food in the nice cold trunk to keep it from thawing on the way home from the store!

I am fine with driving a sedan, but I also love wagons/hatches (and will always have one of them in some form in the family). I really like the hatches that look like sedans (like my old 626 5 door, or the new Audi sportback A5 or BMW 3 series GT).

This otta be good. You know he's going to try to convince you you're wrong.

Let the fun begin.

jmonroe

28firefighter

driver100 said:

Looks like that Mercury is originally a Canada car (says manufactured by Ford Canada on the VIN sticker). 

Looks like they cleaned it up nicely for a 2.8...

Made in Canada but shipped everywhere...that is where they all were made.

Didn’t realize that all GM/CV were made in Canada. 

isellhondas

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

Just got back from test driving an MKZ. It was nicely equipped, AWD, Moonroof, NAV, heated steering wheel and seats(front and rear), plus 1 wheels.
Just owe too much on my Fusion to make it work. I'm in the upside down group of people with car loans. It's purely psychological.

How'd you get upside down? Unexpected breakdown, unexpected accident or unexpected hot pants.

I just saw an ad for a new car dealership...may have been Ford....they said see us if you can't get credit or if you are upside down on car payments....we can fix you up.

Oh, they will "fix you up" allright! 29 percent interest.

fintail said:

Terrible area to drive, but good for pedestrians. Every visitor has to see it. I don't think I have been to Pike Place in over 10 years.

driver100 said:

Instead of meeting 2 adult children and granchildren in Victoria BC we are meeting in downtown Seattle for a change....we are staying right downtown. I want to see them throw the fish in the market.

Seattle caters to bicycles like no other city. It's ridiculous!

28firefighter

My old office used to be right by Pike Place Market. It actually isn’t as bad driving downtown as you might expect.  At least not relative to other places I’ve lived. Friday and Saturday during Cruise season is not great but beyond that it’s OK. 

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

tjc78 said:

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=142669760333&category=6340&pm=1&ds=0&t=1517189252157&cspheader=1

Here you @oldfarmer50
You know you want this.  Actually an odd one.. fully loaded but cloth interior, special order Florida car I’m sure. 

They paid $4300 for it on 1/17.
oddly, the condition was noted as only a 2.8. Hmmmm...

2.8 out of what, five? So $9k for an 18 yo car they overpaid for. And want to more than double their money? Yep, a home run.

tjc78

28firefighter said:

driver100 said:

28firefighter said:

Looks like that Mercury is originally a Canada car (says manufactured by Ford Canada on the VIN sticker). 

Looks like they cleaned it up nicely for a 2.8...

Made in Canada but shipped everywhere...that is where they all were made.

Didn’t realize that all GM/CV were made in Canada. 

Yep. Started in the Wixom plant, then as the Panther grew more popular only the Town Cars were made there. Toward the end of the run, even TCs were made in Canada.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I'm getting to experience euro sedan like depreciation. Don't like it. but not the end of the world/

You're looking at this all wrong. You have the luxo feeling with an econobox wallet.

jmonroe

Another wannabe!

I want to drive what I want to drive....not too concerned about depreciation. If I don't get enough I keep the one I have...or eat the difference if I have to. I learned....depreciation isn't a good enough reason to settle for a car I don't really want.

So what's your point, I agree with you. When did you come to this realization? It sounds like you are arguing with yourself.

jmonroe

I like arguing with myself....I usually win.

driver100

stickguy said:

Driver, if you carry the washer fluid in the tank where it belongs, no sloshing noise. Check it once a month and you shouldn't need to be carrying a jug of it around.

actually, one other drawback to a hatch. In the winter, you can't keep your frozen food in the nice cold trunk to keep it from thawing on the way home from the store!

I am fine with driving a sedan, but I also love wagons/hatches (and will always have one of them in some form in the family). I really like the hatches that look like sedans (like my old 626 5 door, or the new Audi sportback A5 or BMW 3 series GT).

This otta be good. You know he's going to try to convince you you're wrong.

Let the fun begin.

jmonroe

Actually, stick has a great idea....as usual.
My experience has been I seldom look under the hood unless there is a real reason, and so, I usually run out of washer fluid while on the road...when I really need it.

When I buy a Costco or Sam's barbeque chicken it is better to keep it in the trunk where I can't smell it and then I get hungry, and need to stop for food. In an SUV all the smells are in the car.

How am I doing JM....did I find enough reasons to prefer a trunk?

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=142669760333&category=6340&pm=1&ds=0&t=1517189252157&cspheader=1

Here you @oldfarmer50
You know you want this.  Actually an odd one.. fully loaded but cloth interior, special order Florida car I’m sure. 

They paid $4300 for it on 1/17.
oddly, the condition was noted as only a 2.8. Hmmmm...

2.8 out of what, five? So $9k for an 18 yo car they overpaid for. And want to more than double their money? Yep, a home run.

Yes, out of 5. To put that in some context, an example with 197k miles scored a half point higher. So it definitely gives me pause. I wonder if it had some unreported damage they have fixed. In amy case, they did overpay, I agree. My gut tells me $6500, if as nice as represented, would be OK. 

I do wonder how the driver used up 20% of the tires in 7k miles. That means they'd be done for before 30k. Was grandpa a retired racecar driver?

nyccarguy

fintail said:

The Chik-Fil-A in my town often still has lines nearly 2 years after it opened. A big issue is that the city allowed it to be built at one of the most busy intersections in town, with little parking and not much room for drive-thru backups. Poor planning to the point where one has to wonder if there were greased palms.

"Wonder if there were greased palms."

bwia

Nice way to advertise one's profession especially during the tax season.

nyccarguy

I'm definitely happy with the new Pilot. Yesterday I drove 256 miles between the away hockey games my 2 sons had. The adaptive cruise, rear Blu Ray player, smooth ride, & cargo room all came in immensely handy yesterday (even though it was me & 1 child).

Game 1 was an hour away in Pawling, NY (Dutchess County) that started at 7:50 AM. Trying to get my almost 9 year old son out the door before 6:30 AM wasn't easy. Once I told him to pick a movie to watch (while I load up), he sprang into action. I know what you're thinking. "Bradd, with 1 kid why didn't you just take your Infiniti?" My son played 4 mini (24 minute) games. He was a goalie for games 1 & 4, a forward/defense for game 2 & 3. So I had 2 hockey bags, 1 stick, 1 goalie stick, & a set of goalie pads. Fold down the 3rd row & tossed it all in.

Game 2 was an hour and a half way in South Windsor, CT (near where @explorerx4 lives). It was just me & my 11 year old. So I could have taken the Infiniti, but he got to chill and watch a movie. The ACC makes the highway trips so much easier. I set it at 70 - 75 (depending on the speed limit) and it does it's thing. When I see I'm approaching a slower vehicle, I just move over and it will bring me back up to speed.

The games were fantastic. My almost 9 year old scored the 1st 2 goals of his career & had an assist. My 11 year old has started to block shots and his defense gets better every game. They won 1-0.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Driver, if you carry the washer fluid in the tank where it belongs, no sloshing noise. Check it once a month and you shouldn't need to be carrying a jug of it around.

actually, one other drawback to a hatch. In the winter, you can't keep your frozen food in the nice cold trunk to keep it from thawing on the way home from the store!

I am fine with driving a sedan, but I also love wagons/hatches (and will always have one of them in some form in the family). I really like the hatches that look like sedans (like my old 626 5 door, or the new Audi sportback A5 or BMW 3 series GT).

This otta be good. You know he's going to try to convince you you're wrong.

Let the fun begin.

jmonroe

Actually, stick has a great idea....as usual.
My experience has been I seldom look under the hood unless there is a real reason, and so, I usually run out of washer fluid while on the road...when I really need it.

When I buy a Costco or Sam's barbeque chicken it is better to keep it in the trunk where I can't smell it and then I get hungry, and need to stop for food. In an SUV all the smells are in the car.

How am I doing JM....did I find enough reasons to prefer a trunk?

I knew you'd try but if that is all you can come up with, it's not enough to talk a SUV or CUV person out of buying what they want.

Poor try.

jmonroe

suydam

tjc78 said:

driver100 said:

I know sedans are out of favor but I don't want to drive an SUV or crossover....a vehicle without a trunk. I like the dynamics of a car.....the feel of a car, the lower center of gravity of a car, no windshield washer fluid sloshing around sounds. Generally, I like the look of a car more too.

What SUV have you driven that has “sloshing around sounds”. I prefer cars too, but both of our Enclaves have been like a bank vault on wheels.  

As is our Buick Encore.

jmonroe

@nyccarguy, I give you and other hockey parents a lot of credit. I've seen it with both of my Sons. I guess if my Sons played hockey I would have done it too (it wasn't popular back then like it is today), but man, that's a lot of running around. Everything my Sons do seems to be scheduled around hockey. Not like going to the local fields for baseball and football games when they were kids.

jmonroe

fintail

And a get out of ticket free license plate frame to boot, nice.

bwia said:

Nice way to advertise one's profession especially during the tax season.

fintail

Maybe that's an issue, I seem to mostly make it over in the summer. Still too much of a hassle though, especially when WB 90 backs up.

Regarding bicycles, Seattle is into it, but maybe no more than other progressive cities. There's not nearly the bicycle usage and infrastructure here as in Europe, but drivers are better there, too - riding a bike in the city here is Russian roulette. Funny thing, I've noticed more bike rental/bike sharing bikes popping up Not connected to the failed crony capitalist bike sharing program Seattle got into a couple years ago, and a slap on the wrist of course because "life isn't fair" or some other detached babble from the untouchable class - I saw a couple rental bikes marooned out on Evergreen Point a couple weeks ago. I suspect they were planted there for exposure - I can't imagine residents of that tony enclave using a brightly colored heavy rental bike.

28firefighter said:

My old office used to be right by Pike Place Market. It actually isn’t as bad driving downtown as you might expect.  At least not relative to other places I’ve lived. Friday and Saturday during Cruise season is not great but beyond that it’s OK. 

abacomike

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I'm getting to experience euro sedan like depreciation. Don't like it. but not the end of the world/

You're looking at this all wrong. You have the luxo feeling with an econobox wallet.

jmonroe

Another wannabe!

I want to drive what I want to drive....not too concerned about depreciation. If I don't get enough I keep the one I have...or eat the difference if I have to. I learned....depreciation isn't a good enough reason to settle for a car I don't really want.

So what's your point, I agree with you. When did you come to this realization? It sounds like you are arguing with yourself.

jmonroe

I like arguing with myself....I usually win.

That's the only time you can win arguments here on this forum - argue with yourself - odds much better than arguing with jmonroe. Come to think about it, I've seen you lose arguments with yourself here on this forum - when you finally break down and admit you were wrong about something. You're my kinda guy, driver. Love your rational and objective comments on just about everything.

fintail

Ice is expensive and widely spaced, especially out here. I remember being out at midnight on weekends when I was involved with the game.

jmonroe said:

@nyccarguy, I give you and other hockey parents a lot of credit. I've seen it with both of my Sons. I guess if my Sons played hockey I would have done it too (it wasn't popular back then like it is today), but man, that's a lot of running around. Everything my Sons do seems to be scheduled around hockey. Not like going to the local fields for baseball and football games when they were kids.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

jmonroe said:

@nyccarguy, I give you and other hockey parents a lot of credit. I've seen it with both of my Sons. I guess if my Sons played hockey I would have done it too (it wasn't popular back then like it is today), but man, that's a lot of running around. Everything my Sons do seems to be scheduled around hockey. Not like going to the local fields for baseball and football games when they were kids.

jmonroe

Thanks. It definitely isn't easy. The parents are a good support group for one another. We are always willing to help someone else out if logistically they can't make the trip, but their son/daughter can. Some days are easier than others. Saturday night, both boys had games that were local (one at home, one at the next town over). The practices are sometimes difficult. My "Mite" usually has practice at 5:20 - 5:30 in the evening while my "Pee-Wee" has practice at 7:00 or 8:00 at night. 2x during the week. The rink is on the other side of town from where I live. It is 12 minutes there on a Sunday AM. At least 1/2 hour to 40 minutes one way during the evening rush.

abacomike

fintail said:

Ice is expensive and widely spaced, especially out here. I remember being out at midnight on weekends when I was involved with the game.

jmonroe said:

@nyccarguy, I give you and other hockey parents a lot of credit. I've seen it with both of my Sons. I guess if my Sons played hockey I would have done it too (it wasn't popular back then like it is today), but man, that's a lot of running around. Everything my Sons do seems to be scheduled around hockey. Not like going to the local fields for baseball and football games when they were kids.

jmonroe

When the Florida Panthers came to town and opened up an ice arena at the Bank United Arena in Sunrise, FL, I almost did a doo-doo in my pants! I said to myself - "...what idiot would be dumb enough to buy an expansion NHL team and house that team in South Florida?" Let's face it - the climate is not conducive to ice rinks. But, they did it anyway. The Panthers don't skate on ice down here, they skate on SLUSH! That's the only excuse I can come up with as to why they can't ever win their division - let alone the Stanley Cup!