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houdini1

fintail said:

Not sure how you came to that, when I have posted against tariffs (trade wars) from the beginning - as nothing in economic history shows them to be viable or productive in any way. There's zero behind them, which kind of makes it perfect for this credibility-free regime.

But yes, I don't care for Agent Orange either. It's not just him, either.

Nice attempt at putting it back on me, though

houdini1 said:

So tariffs aren't the issue for you, your issue is you just don't like President Trump ?

Not sure how I came to that??? Maybe it was when you said he was categorically unfit for his job, or he shouldn't be yapping and tweeting about tariffs. Those are pretty good clues.

venture

ab348 said:

venture said:

The bread trick I learned from a master plumber friend. It only takes a minute and has worked every time for me...except that one time.

You must have used whole-grain bread that one time. I gather that only white bread should be used.

You may be right.

fintail

Do you think the nonstop tweet tantrums are helping his case, or anyone? If he had any decorum, he'd act like an adult and present his case, right or wrong. If someone is allowed to make wild statements about how he is "for America", others can make statements about how they see that to be untrue.

But really, let's stick to the the tariffs, as they a good chance of impacting everyday life.

houdini1 said:

Not sure how I came to that??? Maybe it was when you said he was categorically unfit for his job, or he shouldn't be yapping and tweeting about tariffs. Those are pretty good clues.

fintail

You're free to add something constructive. Waiting for it...

cdnpinhead said:

Because it advances the narrative. Looking at things objectively is absolutely verboten.

That said, the 40K and 20K posters will weigh in, I'm guessing.

fintail

Most US cars could be half price in Japan or Europe and few would sell. They are not suited to local conditions. From physical size vs roads, to engine size, to consumption, to styling, to build quality, they are not desired by those markets. Virtually the only modern American cars you will see in Europe are Mustangs, and a handful of others that are likely private imports.

If the US was really about "free markets", it also wouldn't have the arbitrary and asinine 25 year import rule that was implemented the American way - by a multinational corporation paying for it.

imidazol97 said:

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So more US made cars and products could sell were the competition field level.

ab348

Is there a politics board this discussion could move to? Not trying to be snarky but I would rather read almost anything else than this.

ab348

driver100 said:

Maybe you need a certain type of bread....does rye work better than multi-grain? How about Wonder Bread, that should gum it up pretty good?

What I understand is that a typical white bread like Wonder is the only kind to use for this. It acts like a sponge to soak up the water then disintegrates once the flow starts. Other types of bread like rye and whole wheat apparently don't disintegrate as well.

stickguy

look at those tariffs in reverse. Residents in those countries have fewer choices, and usually pay a lot more for them. So in terms of arguing for US to impose more tariffs, look at how it works out for countries that already are (the majority of the public, not a small number of employees or rich companies).

Same impact when government tries to do micro managing. Stuff like big subsidies or tax breaks to get a company to build a factory in one location. Might be great for that town, but some other local is losing the jobs, and a whole lotta tax money usually goes into the already deep pockets. Car related, Subaru NA needed more space, so they are moving to a bigger (new) building a few miles down the road. But, in a different town, that needed "help". so they are getting a boatload of tax incentives and handouts to move there, in blatant social engineering. Meanwhile, no net change in employment level, but my taxes go up to put money in Subarus pocket, and I don't even get a car out of it.

28firefighter

Ah yes. Politics. Brings out the best in everyone.

jmonroe

ab348 said:

Is there a politics board this discussion could move to? Not trying to be snarky but I would rather read almost anything else than this.

Well you could go back and read my plumbing tips again. But I agree this ain't the place for this.

jmonroe

explorerx4

I think that whole Japanese car market is closed to us argument is not realistic. The US doesn't make the kind of vehicles that they would buy.
They buy small vehicles and their market isn't all that big.

We came through the snow storm ok, but a lot of people don't have power.
Lent my generator to a guy at work again.
Power went out yesterday with no ETA on it being restored.

qbrozen

venture said:

As long as we're talking remodeling - I just installed these recessed LED lights in my family room. No metal housings, dimmable, IC, full range of temperatures (I like 4000k - more white) and easy to install. http://www.lithonia.com/commercial/wf6+downlight.html#.WqEKBExFy70

Interesting. Am I overlooking what the replacement bulbs are? Or are they not replaceable and you have to buy a new unit (minus the ballast)? 

qbrozen

No power at our house since 6:30 last night. This sucks.

imidazol97

I was going to comment about the surprise inch of snow flurries overnight that melted onto the roads in SW Ohio in parts causing lots of accidents.

Then I was hearing the stories about the snowfalls again in the northeast.

Sympathies go out to all there. And IIRC there's another storm coming.

Son was in DC Va area when first one went through last Friday, so he and two others had to drive back to Ohio since flights were cancelled. All DC got was rain and wind. And wind.

abacomike

Nothing good ever comes out of posters expressing their political views regarding anything - tariffs, Presidents, Congress, trade, etc. - so let's try to stay away from posting political points of view or even anything relating to politics - so we can remain friendly and appreciative of our knowledge of just about everything else.

venture

qbrozen said:

venture said:

As long as we're talking remodeling - I just installed these recessed LED lights in my family room. No metal housings, dimmable, IC, full range of temperatures (I like 4000k - more white) and easy to install.

http://www.lithonia.com/commercial/wf6+downlight.html#.WqEKBExFy70

Interesting. Am I overlooking what the replacement bulbs are? Or are they not replaceable and you have to buy a new unit (minus the ballast)? 

You know, I have no idea. They're new so I didn't even consider that. The little metal box disconnects from the light by turning a ring and pulling the wire apart so replacing one if it ever stops working would be very easy.

tbirdmarco

 GG sounds like you did quite a bit to your house over the years personally would just be to entire master bath 

tbirdmarco

 Lees plumbing tricks posted above interesting 

tbirdmarco

 G Monro loved your story about like always you have many interesting stories that you post 

ab348

venture said:

qbrozen said:

Interesting. Am I overlooking what the replacement bulbs are? Or are they not replaceable and you have to buy a new unit (minus the ballast)? 

You know, I have no idea. They're new so I didn't even consider that. The little metal box disconnects from the light by turning a ring and pulling the wire apart so replacing one if it ever stops working would be very easy.

I just was reading the spec sheets and installation instructions since these lights intrigued me. Turns out the light unit does not have a replaceable bulb, you need to replace the whole thing except for the control box it if it ever fails. They claim a service life of 35000 hours IIRC.

I was hoping the control unit allowed you to daisy chain a number of lights but you need a control box for each light, which means running a bunch of 120V cable.

driver100

ab348 said:

Is there a politics board this discussion could move to? Not trying to be snarky but I would rather read almost anything else than this.

Yeh, but look at the action it is getting. This is more exciting than JMonroe telling us how to fix a drain pipe.

driver100

tbirdmarco said:

 G Monro loved your story about like always you have many interesting stories that you post 

One fan ain't too bad!

jmonroe

tbirdmarco said:

 G Monro loved your story about like always you have many interesting stories that you post 

Don't encourage me. Someone is bound to get jealous and think it's political.

jmonroe

jmonroe

ab348 said:

venture said:

qbrozen said:

Interesting. Am I overlooking what the replacement bulbs are? Or are they not replaceable and you have to buy a new unit (minus the ballast)? 

You know, I have no idea. They're new so I didn't even consider that. The little metal box disconnects from the light by turning a ring and pulling the wire apart so replacing one if it ever stops working would be very easy.

I just was reading the spec sheets and installation instructions since these lights intrigued me. Turns out the light unit does not have a replaceable bulb, you need to replace the whole thing except for the control box it if it ever fails. They claim a service life of 35000 hours IIRC.

I was hoping the control unit allowed you to daisy chain a number of lights but you need a control box for each light, which means running a bunch of 120V cable.

ab348 said:

venture said:

qbrozen said:

Interesting. Am I overlooking what the replacement bulbs are? Or are they not replaceable and you have to buy a new unit (minus the ballast)? 

You know, I have no idea. They're new so I didn't even consider that. The little metal box disconnects from the light by turning a ring and pulling the wire apart so replacing one if it ever stops working would be very easy.

I just was reading the spec sheets and installation instructions since these lights intrigued me. Turns out the light unit does not have a replaceable bulb, you need to replace the whole thing except for the control box it if it ever fails. They claim a service life of 35000 hours IIRC.

I was hoping the control unit allowed you to daisy chain a number of lights but you need a control box for each light, which means running a bunch of 120V cable.

Do you want me to tell you how to do that?

jmonroe

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8qmAlnIh4mk

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlYR0WAKFvY

jmonroe

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

Is there a politics board this discussion could move to? Not trying to be snarky but I would rather read almost anything else than this.

Yeh, but look at the action it is getting. This is more exciting than JMonroe telling us how to fix a drain pipe.

I knew you'd never get it, I was talking about a supply line. :@

jmonroe

fintail

Hear hear. It's also sometimes difficult talking to a brick wall.

While the 75th snowstorm of the season is pummeling points east, the PNW is looking forward to sun and near record warmth this weekend. Not rubbing it in

abacomike said:

Nothing good ever comes out of posters expressing their political views regarding anything - tariffs, Presidents, Congress, trade, etc. - so let's try to stay away from posting political points of view or even anything relating to politics - so we can remain friendly and appreciative of our knowledge of just about everything else.

suydam

We are also doing a to-the-walls bathroom remodel. Still in the planning, layout, and financing stages.

graphicguy

Keeping it auto related, AP posted a sampling of companies who would be hurt by tariifs. Among them is Ford and GM.

Not auto related, but Caterpillar and GE will be hurt, too. All the beer and softdrink companies will be hurt, as well as appliance manufacturers (specifically Whilrpool).

stickguy

nice dump truck up above. They improvement somewhat something I hated about the prior model. The front tires looked wildly undersized (like there was room for 20's and instead they stuck in the 10" ones off a 1979 Civic. Just looked ridiculous.

tjc78

We all know @jmonroe is the Bob Avila / Norm Abraham of our group!  Great plumbing tips, however there is a tool for stopping water while sweating pipes. 

Mr_Shiftright

Automaker's stocks took a tumble when tariffs were announced. About 3%. The big worry is whether the increased cost of steel can be passed onto consumers or not, since auto sales are flat right now anyway.

jmonroe

tjc78 said:

We all know @jmonroe is the Bob Avila / Norm Abraham of our group!  Great plumbing tips, however there is a tool for stopping water while sweating pipes. 

HUH? I have no idea how that dooflicky can stop the flow of water and allow for the sweating of a fitting at the same time.

I can see how it can be inserted into the end of various sizes of tubing/pipe with the different attachments to stop the flow of water but again not allowing that piece of pipe, at that point, to have fittings sweated to it at the same time.

And even if it could, my improvised thingy doesn't even cost $1.95 so I ain't going to spring for that $38 thinga-mabob.

jmonroe

explorerx4

I'm a jmonroe fan, so I guess that makes at least 2.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@abacomike,
I would love to see 5% savings account rates(govt guaranteed principal).

explorerx4 said:

@abacomike,
I would love to see 5% savings account rates(govt guaranteed principal).

That's what I got in the 60s with my allowance money bank account. Now you need to buy a junk bond fund to get those rates.

houdini1

Mr_Shiftright said:

Automaker's stocks took a tumble when tariffs were announced. About 3%. The big worry is whether the increased cost of steel can be passed onto consumers or not, since auto sales are flat right now anyway.

Steel and aluminum tariffs do not apply to Canada and Mexico. Doesn't most of our steel come from there?

tjc78

jmonroe said:

We all know @jmonroe is the Bob Avila / Norm Abraham of our group!  Great plumbing tips, however there is a tool for stopping water while sweating pipes. 

HUH? I have no idea how that dooflicky can stop the flow of water and allow for the sweating of a fitting at the same time. I can see how it can be inserted into the end of various sizes of tubing/pipe with the different attachments to stop the flow of water but again not allowing that piece of pipe, at that point, to have fittings sweated to it at the same time. And even if it could, my improvised thingy doesn't even cost $1.95 so I ain't going to spring for that $38 thinga-mabob. jmonroe

It’s hard to explain, but when I remodeled my kitchen it was a life saver on a pipe with an old crappy valve that didn’t seal all the way.  

My cousin (who is a tool junkie) was helping me and had this thing.  

imidazol97

How does it work? How would that be used to block off water flow in a pipe where the service valve wouldn't seal completely and the user be able to solder on an end cap?

nyccarguy

I sold one of those today to someone who was working on an 1 1/4" water main that wouldn't close.

Mike - you must be so proud of your grandson!  

@jmonroe - my 11 year old's Pee Wee B team won game 1 of their state tournament tonight 5-0.  Game 2 is Saturday at 7:45 AM & Game 3 Saturday at 2:30 PM.  Very exciting!

driver100

graphicguy said:

Keeping it auto related, AP posted a sampling of companies who would be hurt by tariifs. Among them is Ford and GM.

Not auto related, but Caterpillar and GE will be hurt, too. All the beer and softdrink companies will be hurt, as well as appliance manufacturers (specifically Whilrpool).

Steelmakers benefit....companies that buy the steel to produce the products will lose out. Which one has more employees? Not too mention the consumer will pay more.

driver100

houdini1 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Automaker's stocks took a tumble when tariffs were announced. About 3%. The big worry is whether the increased cost of steel can be passed onto consumers or not, since auto sales are flat right now anyway.

Steel and aluminum tariffs do not apply to Canada and Mexico. Doesn't most of our steel come from there?

Most does, but they will probably be hit with tariffs too if NAFTA isn't changed, and btw....most experts believe NAFTA is more beneficial to the US than it is to Canada.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

I'm a jmonroe fan, so I guess that makes at least 2.

Good...his fan based doubled and JMonroe gave you a like. I don't know about you two

houdini1

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Automaker's stocks took a tumble when tariffs were announced. About 3%. The big worry is whether the increased cost of steel can be passed onto consumers or not, since auto sales are flat right now anyway.

Steel and aluminum tariffs do not apply to Canada and Mexico. Doesn't most of our steel come from there?

Most does, but they will probably be hit with tariffs too if NAFTA isn't changed, and btw....most experts believe NAFTA is more beneficial to the US than it is to Canada.

Good, then Canada should jump at the chance to help Trump get NAFTA renegotiated if they don't like the present terms.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

I'm a jmonroe fan, so I guess that makes at least 2.

Good...his fan based doubled and JMonroe gave you a like. I don't know about you two

Will someone please explain it to him before he'll have trouble falling asleep tonight?

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

houdini1 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Automaker's stocks took a tumble when tariffs were announced. About 3%. The big worry is whether the increased cost of steel can be passed onto consumers or not, since auto sales are flat right now anyway.

Steel and aluminum tariffs do not apply to Canada and Mexico. Doesn't most of our steel come from there?

Yes, the "tariff" has pretty much just had its teeth pulled, so the stock market hasn't even reacted anymore. GM is up from the low of 3/2.

fintail

All a distraction. Even these guys know better than to go down that road. Barring real insanity, markets should be in the black tomorrow. A certain someone was awfully quiet about them when they were tanking, he'll be chatty again. And whatever you do, don't talk about Mueller.

We have a new sideshow. Let's see if buddy Putin gets to run a pipeline through NK to SK - might mean cheaper steel for all of the fancier model Hyundais and Kias so many love

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yes, the "tariff" has pretty much just had its teeth pulled, so the stock market hasn't even reacted anymore. GM is up from the low of 3/2.

fordfool

venture said:

jmonroe said:

The bread trick I learned from a master plumber friend. It only takes a minute and has worked every time for me...except that one time.

Wrapping sewing thread around the threads of a screw can provide a tighter seal.

venture

ab348 said:

venture said:

qbrozen said:

Interesting. Am I overlooking what the replacement bulbs are? Or are they not replaceable and you have to buy a new unit (minus the ballast)? 

You know, I have no idea. They're new so I didn't even consider that. The little metal box disconnects from the light by turning a ring and pulling the wire apart so replacing one if it ever stops working would be very easy.

I just was reading the spec sheets and installation instructions since these lights intrigued me. Turns out the light unit does not have a replaceable bulb, you need to replace the whole thing except for the control box it if it ever fails. They claim a service life of 35000 hours IIRC.

I was hoping the control unit allowed you to daisy chain a number of lights but you need a control box for each light, which means running a bunch of 120V cable.

Each light comes with the little box. They cost less than $30US.

I have two run in series. Just jumped from one to the other - on one dimmer switch. They draw so little electricity I don't see why many couldn't be wired this way although I don't know what the limit may be since I only have 4 of them and 2 dimmer switches.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

I was going to comment about the surprise inch of snow flurries overnight that melted onto the roads in SW Ohio in parts causing lots of accidents.

Then I was hearing the stories about the snowfalls again in the northeast.

Sympathies go out to all there. And IIRC there's another storm coming.

Son was in DC Va area when first one went through last Friday, so he and two others had to drive back to Ohio since flights were cancelled. All DC got was rain and wind. And wind.

Last Friday they predicted 1-3" and we got a foot. Wednesday theft said 15" and we got 7. I'd like to run a weatherman over with my car if i could get it out of the driveway. :@