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abacomike

snakeweasel said:

Anyone else having this issue, I have had a few times when I come here and there is a draft saved and it is a post that I have already posted and it's not the most recent post of mine. is Edmund's having a fit?

Yes - frequently!

Mr_Shiftright

Back when I was a kid, we would all ride the subway, by ourselves, age 10-12 or so, to Coney Island. I'd save up all my spare change from my paper route and put it in a big sock. I figured that if anyone tried to rob me, I could hit them with the sock and kill them. At least that was our plan.

abacomike

sb55 said:

If you own stock in Bed, Bath and Beyond, you should see a slight rise in the price per share - just a few pennies.  Yesterday I splurged and bought new bathroom mats, a dozen bath towels, 6 hand towels, 4 washcloths, 2 comforter sets with matching sheets and pillowcases, 6 new pillows, a new coffeemaker, and 2 beach towels.  Having a lot of company this summer.

What dates did you say you were coming down, jmonroe?  I just wanted to be prepared for you and Mrs. jmonroe.  Also, have my son and grandson flying in for a few days next month.

Those 20% off coupons I had been saving sure came in handy.  I saved $85+ over regular retail prices.  Anyone else coming down? 

Can I come. My father lives in Vero. I can visit him for a day or 2. The problem is his wife also lives there

I am 105 miles south of Vero Beach.

jmonroe

sb55 said:

abacomike said:

If you own stock in Bed, Bath and Beyond, you should see a slight rise in the price per share - just a few pennies.  Yesterday I splurged and bought new bathroom mats, a dozen bath towels, 6 hand towels, 4 washcloths, 2 comforter sets with matching sheets and pillowcases, 6 new pillows, a new coffeemaker, and 2 beach towels.  Having a lot of company this summer.

What dates did you say you were coming down, jmonroe?  I just wanted to be prepared for you and Mrs. jmonroe.  Also, have my son and grandson flying in for a few days next month.

Those 20% off coupons I had been saving sure came in handy.  I saved $85+ over regular retail prices.  Anyone else coming down? 

Can I come.
My father lives in Vero. I can visit him for a day or 2. The problem is his wife also lives there

Pretty sure that's why @Mike asked but he's touchy about picking up airfare so don't ask about that. :@

jmonroe

abacomike

Mr_Shiftright said:

Back when I was a kid, we would all ride the subway, by ourselves, age 10-12 or so, to Coney Island. I'd save up all my spare change from my paper route and put it in a big sock. I figured that if anyone tried to rob me, I could hit them with the sock and kill them. At least that was our plan.

Did the same thing, Shifty.  I lived in Queens so we had to take the Canarsie Line or the Brighton Beach Line with connections through lower Manhattan.

Loved Nathan’s and “George C. Tilyou’s Steeplechase” ride.  Boy, those were the good old days!

nyccarguy

The original Nathan’s is still there.  Hot dogs are now $4.75 plus tax each.

abacomike

jmonroe said:

If you own stock in Bed, Bath and Beyond, you should see a slight rise in the price per share - just a few pennies.  Yesterday I splurged and bought new bathroom mats, a dozen bath towels, 6 hand towels, 4 washcloths, 2 comforter sets with matching sheets and pillowcases, 6 new pillows, a new coffeemaker, and 2 beach towels.  Having a lot of company this summer.

What dates did you say you were coming down, jmonroe?  I just wanted to be prepared for you and Mrs. jmonroe.  Also, have my son and grandson flying in for a few days next month.

Those 20% off coupons I had been saving sure came in handy.  I saved $85+ over regular retail prices.  Anyone else coming down? 

Can I come. My father lives in Vero. I can visit him for a day or 2. The problem is his wife also lives there

Pretty sure that's why @Mike asked but he's touchy about picking up airfare so don't ask about that. :@ jmonroe

You got THAT right - unless you can prove we are genetically related - then I foot the bill! 

jmonroe

nyccarguy said:

The original Nathan’s is still there.  Hot dogs are now $4.75 plus tax each.

Is that what they charged the hot dog gulpers on the 4th of July? If it is, now I know why they do it.

jmonroe

jmonroe

abacomike said:

jmonroe said:

sb55 said:

abacomike said:

If you own stock in Bed, Bath and Beyond, you should see a slight rise in the price per share - just a few pennies.  Yesterday I splurged and bought new bathroom mats, a dozen bath towels, 6 hand towels, 4 washcloths, 2 comforter sets with matching sheets and pillowcases, 6 new pillows, a new coffeemaker, and 2 beach towels.  Having a lot of company this summer.

What dates did you say you were coming down, jmonroe?  I just wanted to be prepared for you and Mrs. jmonroe.  Also, have my son and grandson flying in for a few days next month.

Those 20% off coupons I had been saving sure came in handy.  I saved $85+ over regular retail prices.  Anyone else coming down? 

Can I come.
My father lives in Vero. I can visit him for a day or 2. The problem is his wife also lives there

Pretty sure that's why @Mike asked but he's touchy about picking up airfare so don't ask about that. :@

jmonroe

You got THAT right - unless you can prove we are genetically related - then I foot the bill! 

Not sure it's worth all that.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

I'm watching Bullitt for about the tenth time and I never tire of the vintage cars. What memories.q

The best part is when Steve McQueen parallel parks a standard shift while facing down a steep SF street without any nanny assists.

Shocked that McQueen's Mustang didn't have a limited slip differential. Mine would leave two patches of rubber and leave him spinning.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I'm watching Bullitt for about the tenth time and I never tire of the vintage cars. What memories.

I'm watching it too. Not just the cars but 1968 San Francisco and '60s culture. A great artifact.

jmonroe

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I'm watching Bullitt for about the tenth time and I never tire of the vintage cars. What memories.

I'm watching it too. Not just the cars but 1968 San Francisco and '60s culture. A great artifact.

A couple weeks ago I watched The Magnificent 7 on TCM. Steve McQueen was also in that one and his bullets were pretty fast in that movie too.

jmonroe

abacomike

nyccarguy said:

The original Nathan’s is still there.  Hot dogs are now $4.75 plus tax each.

Bradd, when I was 14 years old, we’d take the subway to Coney Island and stop at Nathan’s.  Hot dogs were 25 cents and a bag of their crinkly fries was 10 cents.  Cokes were 10 cents.  That was almost 60 years ago.  

I would never pay $5,00 for a hot dog - Nathan’s or not.  We were always good for a couple of hot dogs each, a bag of fries, a coke, and a hot ear of corn next door.  

We’d go on the Cyclone or the Tornado - old wooden roller-coasters.  Those were the days!

xwesx

snakeweasel said:

A few years ago I was cruising down a back country road when I ran into a recently finished roundabout. The trouble was that this was smack dab in the middle of corn fields, very light traffic and no cross street. It took them almost three years to build the crossroad and no one uses that road. That new road goes nowhere and comes from nowhere. 

Hahaha; planning for the future? The last time I drove through "corn fields" to avoid Chicago, we ended up driving through many McMansion areas that, only a few years before, really had been just corn fields. Lots of traffic on overloaded little two-lane "back country" roads... took forever. I told my wife that we're going to need to recalibrate what we call "driving around Chicago" the next time we do that.

Sandman6472

Took a trip from Ft. Lauderdale to Punta Gorda yesterday to pick up minivans. A very nice ride and took us about 2 hours each way. Just took I-75, Alligator Alley, to and from and it was a breeze. Put the cruise on 73 and was a great drive as luckily there weren't too many cops around. The traffic kept passing me but 73 in a 70 zone felt very comfortable for me actually. The new minivan drove very nicely and luckily had SAT radio so I was a happy camper. Definitely miss the cross state driving days like I did a few years back. Going to Jacksonville one day and Key West the next was fun for me, the not knowing where we'd be headed day by day was fun actually. Enjoy the fact that I get paid to drive someone else's vehicle and they also pay the petrol and tolls is fine with me.
Was going to sign on with Enterprise like OF does a few months back but they stay within the county which kind of turned me off. Am already working about 30 hours/week at Hertz and they wanted me to do another 25/week for them. I felt the 55 hours/week was just a bit too much for me at my age and with my health issues was a bit too much. Turns out it was a good call because shortly afterwards, I got sick with sepsis, pnemonia, gall stones and the eventual removal of my gall bladder. Between the hospital, rehab and rehabing at home, missed 6 weeks of work and to start a new gig and then be off that much wouldn't have been right. Figured I should just keep what I got and be happy with it, which I am. Anyways, 2019 will be my last year at this point as I predict that we'll be selling and moving up to Central Florida to follow our girls.

The Sandman

stickguy

tjc78 said:

Reminds me of my commute from South Jersey to King of Prussia (suburb of Philly). It was about 30 miles, 90 mins was common with two hours on a Friday night or sporting event in town.

I used to have the same basic commute, but a littler further on each end, so about 45 miles each way. By leaving at 6:00 AM, I could make it in 55 minutes on a perfect day. Always longer coming home (1:15 was a pretty good day). My record on a rainy Friday was about 2:45. Driving a stick, man my left leg was sore for a week after that trip.

oldfarmer50

tbirdmarco said:

 So as you all know started going to one of the local who’s nights pretty much every Wednesday getting to know people and happy being around that for a couple of hours even though I can’t see much ha ha Ha so one anyway on our way home almost going to weigh nice accident with a buddy I was with in his old truck he told me afterwards some woman jumped across the hall road from a parking lot so we swerved from one side of the road to the other I first I thought maybe something happened with his truck didn’t say anything ha ha Ha the main thing is that we are OK 

Glad You're ok. I assume you can enjoy music and concerts so have your companions take you there.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

nyccarguy said:

The original Nathan’s is still there.  Hot dogs are now $4.75 plus tax each.

Bradd, when I was 14 years old, we’d take the subway to Coney Island and stop at Nathan’s.  Hot dogs were 25 cents and a bag of their crinkly fries was 10 cents.  Cokes were 10 cents.  That was almost 60 years ago.  

I would never pay $5,00 for a hot dog - Nathan’s or not.  We were always good for a couple of hot dogs each, a bag of fries, a coke, and a hot ear of corn next door.  

We’d go on the Cyclone or the Tornado - old wooden roller-coasters.  Those were the days!

Our local favorite is Charlie's hot dogs for a buck (used to be 15 cents). The most fun you'll ever have giving yourself gastrointestinal distress.



In the old days you'd order a dozen and the cook would line them up his arm and slather on the condiments of your choice. Don't know if health codes allow that today.

15 cents and 35 cent gas gave you the ability to treat your best girl to dinner and still be able to drive to lover's lane.

nyccarguy

oldfarmer50

sandman_6472 said:

Took a trip from Ft. Lauderdale to Punta Gorda yesterday to pick up minivans. A very nice ride and took us about 2 hours each way. Just took I-75, Alligator Alley, to and from and it was a breeze. Put the cruise on 73 and was a great drive as luckily there weren't too many cops around. The traffic kept passing me but 73 in a 70 zone felt very comfortable for me actually. The new minivan drove very nicely and luckily had SAT radio so I was a happy camper. Definitely miss the cross state driving days like I did a few years back. Going to Jacksonville one day and Key West the next was fun for me, the not knowing where we'd be headed day by day was fun actually. Enjoy the fact that I get paid to drive someone else's vehicle and they also pay the petrol and tolls is fine with me.
Was going to sign on with Enterprise like OF does a few months back but they stay within the county which kind of turned me off. Am already working about 30 hours/week at Hertz and they wanted me to do another 25/week for them. I felt the 55 hours/week was just a bit too much for me at my age and with my health issues was a bit too much. Turns out it was a good call because shortly afterwards, I got sick with sepsis, pnemonia, gall stones and the eventual removal of my gall bladder. Between the hospital, rehab and rehabing at home, missed 6 weeks of work and to start a new gig and then be off that much wouldn't have been right. Figured I should just keep what I got and be happy with it, which I am. Anyways, 2019 will be my last year at this point as I predict that we'll be selling and moving up to Central Florida to follow our girls.

The Sandman

Glad you're feeling better Sandy. I agree, those long trips are really enjoyable. Hertz keeps calling me but their work is mainly from the airport to the "dirty line" a mile away and having done that occasionally for Enterprise I think I'd go crazy.

We usually travel at 72 in a 65 up here as the troopers usually give you 10 over. One of our guys is an ex trooper and he says we're OK to 80 but none of us are daring enough to try that.

I also agree that getting paid to drive somebody else's cars (and sleep on the clock on the way back) is like a dream come true. Really gives you a perspective on the strengths and weaknesses of various cars. If I ever make it to Florida I'd want to do your job.

Maybe you can say hello to my in-laws when you move to central Florida. They just relocated to the St. Cloud area to be near grandkids too.

graphicguy

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

henryn

That ain't a hot dog. That's a ... heck if I know, but it sure doesn't look like any hot dog I ever saw!

graphicguy

henryn said:

That ain't a hot dog. That's a ... heck if I know, but it sure doesn't look like any hot dog I ever saw!

With arugula and goat cheese. Accompanied by duck fat fries and a “bitter” beer.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

I'm not the only one that criticizes and questions the IIHS and NHTSA:

https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/oxnard-critique/

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3413.asp

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2593.asp

This last one is particularly notable, as when you don't like the data, you can simply make insane conclusions.

Example: Higher injury accidents after red light cameras were installed. They admit it in the report, but it doesn't change the summary conclusions and recommendations to support red-light cameras despite that fact! People be damned! Show me the money!

https://www.motorists.org/wp-content/themes/nma/pk/lib/pdf/web/viewer.html?file=https://www.motorists.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/05-vdot.pdf

Yeah but I have found that the one critical of them are not exactly the most unbiased groups they are pushing agendas.

The one I really liked is when they put red light cameras at some intersections in my town there was a group staring that at one intersection accidents increased by 300% in the 6 months after installation as opposed to the 6 months prior. The problems with their stats was that the number of accidents went from 1 to 3 and that the 1 happened in the summer months and the 3 happened in the snowy winter months. When you compared the year prior to the year after there were less accidents. 

How many more accidents in the year, one? And you should ask yourself why an intersection with one accident all summer long needs cameras in the first place!

andres3

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

henryn said:

andres3 said:

I'd use the reasonable and prudent law enforcement standard, and in many cases, it isn't reasonable or prudent for cars to impede traffic at the same exact speed across all lanes; even if it is a dozen simultaneous violators.

@andres3, your posts do not make any sense. And that seems to be getting worse. If there are more cars on the road than the road can handle, what choice does anyone have about the speed at which they are traveling????

That's just it, that's rarely the case. The real case is you have a few bad apples creating bottlenecks of congestion, that then spirals out of control.

While you can't always control the speed due to obstructions in front of you, you can avoid entering the passing lanes without an ability to pass. If you find yourself unable or unwilling to pass, you should again move right except to pass. As I said, bumper to bumper stop and go traffic is an exception as everything has broken down at that point.

I often see the right lane become the defacto passing lane due to impeders in the passing lane.

No it's not rarely the case, it happens a couple of times a day. It's called rush hour. 

Have you ever thought to once think outside your tiny box and figure out why there is such a massive variance in congestion despite traffic being pretty much the same? Think outside the box.

Yeh snake, what's the matter with you boy....try to think outside the box for one time!

So I should think like someone trying to justify aggressive driving?

I don't think anyone is trying to justify aggressive driving. I just see some recognize obsessive timidity and uncertainty coupled with indecision on the roadway much too often.

I just advocate people drive in a way that impedes as little traffic as possible every time they drive. Ideally, impeding zero traffic. Now that's a Vision-Zero I can get behind!

tjc78

stickguy said:

Reminds me of my commute from South Jersey to King of Prussia (suburb of Philly). It was about 30 miles, 90 mins was common with two hours on a Friday night or sporting event in town.

I used to have the same basic commute, but a littler further on each end, so about 45 miles each way. By leaving at 6:00 AM, I could make it in 55 minutes on a perfect day. Always longer coming home (1:15 was a pretty good day). My record on a rainy Friday was about 2:45. Driving a stick, man my left leg was sore for a week after that trip.

Yeah it’s probably the worst commute you can have in our area.   I did it way back before the whole 202/422 interchange was redone.   Everyone needing 422 West has to get off at 202 south and caused an even bigger backup than you have now right before the turnpike. 

Recently I had to be in West Norriton for a meeting at 8am and left at 6.  I made it in time but if I left any later I bet I wouldn’t have. 

I dont think I could do a commute like that ever again.  I like my 17 Miles completely against traffic these days.  

abacomike

nyccarguy said:

Thanks, Bradd.  From the photos you posted, Coney Island looks a lot “cleaner” than I remember.  There was always trash everywhere.  As you face Nathan’s, on the right there used to be an electric bumper car ride and between the two, a guy that sold hot corn-on-the-cob.

Never got to go on the parachute ride - the most iconic ride at Coney.  I was too sheepish to get on that ride.  I do remember a kid dying on that Parachute Ride due to a failure of a cable.  The kid was 12 years old - I remember reading about it in the Daily News.

abacomike

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

$11.00 for a hot dog.  Good grief - I pay $11.50 for a package of Hebrew National Kosher hot dogs - 22 in a package.  I prefer that brand because the hot dogs are less fatty and are all beef - from better cuts of meat.

That price for one hot dog has to have an $8.00 profit in it.  Maybe I went into the wrong profession - should have sold hot dogs, GG!  

ab348

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

I'm surprised they are allowed to serve it on that chipped porcelainized platter. I would figure the public health nannies would be all over them for that.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

$11.00 for a hot dog.  Good grief - I pay $11.50 for a package of Hebrew National Kosher hot dogs - 22 in a package.  I prefer that brand because the hot dogs are less fatty and are all beef - from better cuts of meat.

That price for one hot dog has to have an $8.00 profit in it.  Maybe I went into the wrong profession - should have sold hot dogs, GG!  

I'd guess the food cost at $1.00 for the item.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

I'm surprised they are allowed to serve it on that chipped porcelainized platter. I would figure the public health nannies would be all over them for that.

If that were a classic car, that would be the patina.

imidazol97

For those who drive the left lane, it can have its hazards. Yesterday morning a person in a Mustang! in the left lane was killed by the wheel from an oncoming minivan that came off, jumped the concrete wall, hit a van, and then hit the windshield of the Mustang.

Terrible.

houdini1

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

My condolences.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

I'm surprised they are allowed to serve it on that chipped porcelainized platter. I would figure the public health nannies would be all over them for that.

That's what gives it the special flavor...much like the arm sweat from the cook at Charlie's.

jmonroe

ab348 said:

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

I'm surprised they are allowed to serve it on that chipped porcelainized platter. I would figure the public health nannies would be all over them for that.

There wasn't anything wrong with the tray until that beast attacked it.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

I hope you were able to pick that $11 back up. You would think that for $11 they could afford better plates. At my favorite hot dog place for $11 you get two fully loaded Chicago style hot dogs, hugh helping of fries a drink and $3 in change. 

abacomike

I just don’t go out to eat hot dogs. I like the ones I make at home.  Also love bratwurst - especially Slotkowski’s Brats sold in Chicago area.  My mouth is watering now and it’s barely 10:00 AM.  Shame on me! 

fintail

All I can think about hot dogs is the racoon scene from "The Great Outdoors". Those of us of a certain age will remember.

suydam

Hot dogs means baseball to me. The only place I eat them. Love those Dodger Dogs!

fintail

I can see something like that in downtown Seattle, very hipster, probably served up by a millennial with wacky facial hair and tattoos.

imidazol97 said:

If that were a classic car, that would be the patina.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

For those who drive the left lane, it can have its hazards. Yesterday morning a person in a Mustang! in the left lane was killed by the wheel from an oncoming minivan that came off, jumped the concrete wall, hit a van, and then hit the windshield of the Mustang.

Terrible.

I'd love to hear the follow up on why that wheel came off. Was it a structural failure of some sort or did a tire shop forget to tighten lug nuts.

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Back when I was a kid, we would all ride the subway, by ourselves, age 10-12 or so, to Coney Island. I'd save up all my spare change from my paper route and put it in a big sock. I figured that if anyone tried to rob me, I could hit them with the sock and kill them. At least that was our plan.

Did the same thing, Shifty.  I lived in Queens so we had to take the Canarsie Line or the Brighton Beach Line with connections through lower Manhattan.

Loved Nathan’s and “George C. Tilyou’s Steeplechase” ride.  Boy, those were the good old days!

Coney Island was really run down and creepy then, with all kinds of nefarious characters slithering around on the back streets or under the boardwalk. We kids were pretty street-wise though, so whenever a door creaked open and a hand summoned us in, we knew better.

jmonroe

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

$11.00 for a hot dog.  Good grief - I pay $11.50 for a package of Hebrew National Kosher hot dogs - 22 in a package.  I prefer that brand because the hot dogs are less fatty and are all beef - from better cuts of meat.

That price for one hot dog has to have an $8.00 profit in it.  Maybe I went into the wrong profession - should have sold hot dogs, GG!  

I'm with you @Mike, only Hebrew National in our house. In a pinch we'll do Nathans but that's as far down the dog show we'll go in our house.

Now, when out of the house, The 'O' in the Oakland section of the Burgh, near Pitt, is very good and is an icon in these parts and there fries are the BEST I've ever had. I have never been able to find fries like theirs anywhere and I mean ANYWHERE.

jmonroe

pensfan83

Ahhhh the Dirty O. @28firefighter and myself are well acclimated with that place.

28firefighter

My stomach just somersaulted reading about it.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Just dropped $11 on this dog last weekend.

I hope you were able to pick that $11 back up. You would think that for $11 they could afford better plates. At my favorite hot dog place for $11 you get two fully loaded Chicago style hot dogs, hugh helping of fries a drink and $3 in change. 

@Snake, I remember seeing a show on TV years ago where they were rating hot dogs across the country. They went to a famous hot dog place in Chicago that had a Neon sign hot dog on the roof of the building. I can't remember the name of the place (again) even though you posted a pic of the place when we last critiqued hot dogs in here.

The part I liked best is when they interviewed the elderly couple that owned the place and they said they refuse to apply ketchup to their hot dogs. If the customer wanted ketchup, they would provide ketchup packs but they would not deface their hot dogs by applying it themselves and I agree with them. There otta be a law about doing that to hot dogs. :@

jmonroe

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

For those who drive the left lane, it can have its hazards. Yesterday morning a person in a Mustang! in the left lane was killed by the wheel from an oncoming minivan that came off, jumped the concrete wall, hit a van, and then hit the windshield of the Mustang.

Terrible.

I'd love to hear the follow up on why that wheel came off. Was it a structural failure of some sort or did a tire shop forget to tighten lug nuts.

Yeah @imid, that is your assignment for the day.

jmonroe

ab348

jmonroe said:

The part I liked best is when they interviewed the elderly couple that owned the place and they said they refuse to apply ketchup to their hot dogs. If the customer wanted ketchup, they would provide ketchup packs but they would not deface their hot dogs by applying it themselves and I agree with them. There otta be a law about doing that to hot dogs. :@

I feel the same way about ketchup. Also onions which I know many people like but which is inexplicable to me. On the rare occasion that I have a hot dog (much more likely to go for a brat or an Italian sausage) it gets mustard, green pickle relish, and sauerkraut.

imidazol97

jmonroe said:

Yeah @imid, that is your assignment for the day.
jmonroe

Thannks! You know you're second in line behind "she-who-must-be-obeyed." LOL

imidazol97

The local "news experts" are so dumb they can't even get a link right on the video they have to share it. Instead the link takes us back to the story page. There are 4 pictures: the 4th one is a video.

In the video it shows the minivan (Chrysler corp) on flatbed. The studs are all gone on the left front wheel. When loose lug nuts cause the wheel to come off, do all the studs get broken down below the face of the brake rotor?

My question that I wanted to ask earlier in my first post, was is the driver of the minivan responsible for the damage from the separated wheel. She may have recourse in the courts against a shop who put on the wheel improperly or a friend who put the wheel back on the van , but isn't it ultimately she who bears the responsibility for not maintaining a safe vehicle? And that wheel had to have loosened and have been giving symptoms before it came off. She should have slowed and gotten off the road to find out what was causing the vibration.

Curiously, news reports have said little about the 21-year old driver. I wonder if she's politically connected...?

https://www.wdtn.com/news/local-news/crash-on-i-75-in-dayton-causes-massive-traffic-backup/1310962920

Assignment complete. Please send my plastic trophy for participation! LOL