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snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

I have seen everything now. Went to Kroger early senior session. As I was leaving through the entrance, a lady and man were walking in pushing a grocery cart with a sheet laid over the whole thing. She was pushing it using the sheet around the handle. It was like they were going to load the cart, pull the sheet around every and lift by the corners as they flee the store. Much like thieves will grab pillow cases or sheets and fill them to carry out of the house they are robbing.

Yeah, it's getting crazy out there. People are blaming 5G for the COVID 19, someone tries to ram a train into a ship and the Venezuelan navy attacks a cruise ship and loses. You cant make this stuff up.

driver100

suydam said:

That’s not necessarily the case. British and Dutch folks aren’t the huggiest people in the world by nature and they are having a pretty terrible time of it now.

Exactly! At first Boris Johnson was going to let Coronavirus take its course.....life would go on as it was going. Then too many people were getting it, so they made rules about separating. Of course, ironically he got it. Numbers are high in Britain because they started separating later than they should have. Culture is a factor, and in Hong Kongs case they have been through it before with SARS so that helped.....but, separating is the biggest factor.
Now you can have the last word and say it is culture again if you want.

imidazol97

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

Is it just me or does it look like there's a cell phone hovering above the front passenger side of the car?

driver100

snakeweasel said:

suydam said:

That’s not necessarily the case. British and Dutch folks aren’t the huggiest people in the world by nature and they are having a pretty terrible time of it now.

OK, let's look at the UK vs Italy, the UK has 10% more people than Italy has but it has less than half the confirmed cases and less than half of the deaths than Italy has. So it does support my position.

Since you wrote that, I have to reply. Yes, a small factor, but the larger picture is that Italy had one huge outbreak in a small town that went unchecked for some time. Yes, Italians hug and touch more....but, culture is a factor....it is still the touching and hugging and talking and living together in small homes with big families that contribute, but if they separated earlier and more often it wouldn't be as bad as it is.
New York is also exploding, culture a factor, but, people are riding on subways packed together, they ride elevators together, some have no idea of what they are doing and they play basketball together....touch the ball....breath on each other....NO SEPARATION!

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

Is it just me or does it look like there's a cell phone hovering above the front passenger side of the car?

Very observant. That's a touchpad of some kind on a stand. I believe is controls the music in the showroom. IOW it's a Samsung type 10 inch small computer. I don't know if it can do other things such as look up info on vehicles by model, e.g.. I have seen salesfolk use it to change the music in the background as they stand in the window area scanning for potential clients driving onto the lot and/or going into the used area or along the new vehicle rows.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

suydam said:

That’s not necessarily the case. British and Dutch folks aren’t the huggiest people in the world by nature and they are having a pretty terrible time of it now.

OK, let's look at the UK vs Italy, the UK has 10% more people than Italy has but it has less than half the confirmed cases and less than half of the deaths than Italy has. So it does support my position.

Since you wrote that, I have to reply. Yes, a small factor, but the larger picture is that Italy had one huge outbreak in a small town that went unchecked for some time. Yes, Italians hug and touch more....but, culture is a factor....it is still the touching and hugging and talking and living together in small homes with big families that contribute, but if they separated earlier and more often it wouldn't be as bad as it is.
New York is also exploding, culture a factor, but, people are riding on subways packed together, they ride elevators together, some have no idea of what they are doing and they play basketball together....touch the ball....breath on each other....NO SEPARATION!

Didn't help that despite our country's early blocking of entry from China that some certain places were encouraging folks to go out and mingle in nightlife, in parades for New Years or St. Patrick's Day, or Mardi Gras. Those additional exposures will take a while to work themselves out in terms of recovery and isolation to prevent infecting others. At the same time we have had people who want the borders to be open.

It's bad enough that in some of those areas isolation and getting to and from work requires close contact on the subway or bus transit. Got to feel sorry for those who have no jobs to go to and for those who are forced to risk more exposure to get to and to perform their jobs.

Our local UDF store has put up plastic "sneeze" shields between the customer and the person on the register.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

I have seen everything now. Went to Kroger early senior session. As I was leaving through the entrance, a lady and man were walking in pushing a grocery cart with a sheet laid over the whole thing. She was pushing it using the sheet around the handle. It was like they were going to load the cart, pull the sheet around every and lift by the corners as they flee the store. Much like thieves will grab pillow cases or sheets and fill them to carry out of the house they are robbing.

Quite an image. There is a good chance that as the coronavirus subsides, most people will wear a mask when they go out........this thing spreads like wildfire.

If you come across one with horizontal stripes let me know!

driver100

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

suydam said:

That’s not necessarily the case. British and Dutch folks aren’t the huggiest people in the world by nature and they are having a pretty terrible time of it now.

OK, let's look at the UK vs Italy, the UK has 10% more people than Italy has but it has less than half the confirmed cases and less than half of the deaths than Italy has. So it does support my position.

Since you wrote that, I have to reply. Yes, a small factor, but the larger picture is that Italy had one huge outbreak in a small town that went unchecked for some time. Yes, Italians hug and touch more....but, culture is a factor....it is still the touching and hugging and talking and living together in small homes with big families that contribute, but if they separated earlier and more often it wouldn't be as bad as it is.
New York is also exploding, culture a factor, but, people are riding on subways packed together, they ride elevators together, some have no idea of what they are doing and they play basketball together....touch the ball....breath on each other....NO SEPARATION!

Our local UDF store has put up plastic "sneeze" shields between the customer and the person on the register.

One example. 41 transit workers in New York have died from coronavirus. People who just went to work to do their jobs. This is no ordinary flu.
Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpibDL_lViE

stickguy

Just made a supply run to BJs. Out of some stuff of course, but overall, the experience was mentally and physically exhausting. And I still need to try sldis to see if I can find more stuff. Even though we seem to have 2 fridges stuffed. Enough butter to last until 2022 at least. Just can’t make anything that requires flour.

suydam

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

60,000 is about the same as a normal flu season, so I think a lot of us are confused.

60,000 in the Entire world. 8-12,000 in the US on any given year. So yes, this is much more serious.

graphicguy

This?

https://images.app.goo.gl/om35upi2BPHoTM8d7

houdini1

houdini1 said:

stickguy said:

Richard was Sterlingdog. Glad he is doing OK after the horrible experience he had.

In his email he called himself "Sterlingsilver". I recall Sterling was his dog.

suydam said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

60,000 is about the same as a normal flu season, so I think a lot of us are confused.

60,000 in the Entire world. 8-12,000 in the US on any given year. So yes, this is much more serious.

No, the numbers I posted are for the United States only. Including the 80,000 number for 2017/18. I will admit though that the numbers seem different depending on who you are quoting. My numbers supposedly came from the CDC and found in a CNN article online and in a couple of other places. Google flu deaths 2017.

driver100

houdini1 said:

houdini1 said:

stickguy said:

Richard was Sterlingdog. Glad he is doing OK after the horrible experience he had.

In his email he called himself "Sterlingsilver". I recall Sterling was his dog.

suydam said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

60,000 is about the same as a normal flu season, so I think a lot of us are confused.

60,000 in the Entire world. 8-12,000 in the US on any given year. So yes, this is much more serious.

No, the numbers I posted are for the United States only. Including the 80,000 number for 2017/18. I will admit though that the numbers seem different depending on who you are quoting. My numbers supposedly came from the CDC and found in a CNN article online and in a couple of other places. Google.

Federal health officials last week said deaths in the U.S. could range between 100,000 and 240,000.

A model used by the White House, however, now predicts that approximately 60,400 Americans will die as a result of the virus by August. Experts have noted that the model has repeatedly had lower forecasted death counts than other projections.

60,000 is on the low side and the hopefull side. This could easily reach 100000 to 240000 as well, 60000 is the best possible scenario. This one spreads much more easily than regular flu, and the affects are harder to treat. Gets into the lungs, and the lungs don't work..........this is not like regular flu.

ab348

I suppose this is common everywhere now, but social distancing measures here mean that people queue up at 6-ft intervals to get into the grocery store, which have some sort of arbitrary limit on the number of folks allowed inside at any one time. This morning I was out on an errand and decided to check out a few supermarkets to see how things were. At a couple, the lines were ridiculously long, stretching all the way around the store building. Glad I wasn't in desperate need.

ab348

I got an email the other day from Amazon reminding me that since I am a Prime member, they have free music streaming available. I haven't bothered to check that out. Anyone use that?

Prime is behaving oddly of late in terms of audio and video. I watched a couple of things they offered over the last week and both looked like they had been taken off videotapes that had been badly stored, with dropouts and occasionally lines breaking up the image. One of these was made in 2016 so it isn't like it was an ancient copy. Last night I tried to watch the movie "Rocketman" and it started out with a very low sound level. I had to turn my TV up to 50 on its scale whereas usually it is never more than 30. Then about 15-20 minutes in, the sound disappeared altogether. I tried exiting, re-entering, even shut the TV off for a while and went back to it, with no luck. I then watched something else on there which was fine. Bizarre.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later

I doubt that. The incubation period alone is typically longer than that, and then you have to get sick enough to cause death. Even 8-10 days would be very fast from infection to death.

EDIT: watched the first part of the vid. They didn't say he died 4 days later but that he tested positive 4 days later. Very different.

stickguy

Need to be careful interpreting numbers since they can assign cause to a secondary disease. The whole underlying condition situation. A lot of them were probably barely hanging on and anything they caught would be too much to survive. So say the flu is credited with causing their death when it was just the last domino in a weakened system. Not sure you get many flu deaths in people that are otherwise healthy, and it never seemed to overwhelm the medical system.

suydam

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

houdini1 said:

stickguy said:

Richard was Sterlingdog. Glad he is doing OK after the horrible experience he had.

In his email he called himself "Sterlingsilver". I recall Sterling was his dog.

suydam said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

60,000 is about the same as a normal flu season, so I think a lot of us are confused.

60,000 in the Entire world. 8-12,000 in the US on any given year. So yes, this is much more serious.

No, the numbers I posted are for the United States only. Including the 80,000 number for 2017/18. I will admit though that the numbers seem different depending on who you are quoting. My numbers supposedly came from the CDC and found in a CNN article online and in a couple of other places. Google.

Federal health officials last week said deaths in the U.S. could range between 100,000 and 240,000.

A model used by the White House, however, now predicts that approximately 60,400 Americans will die as a result of the virus by August. Experts have noted that the model has repeatedly had lower forecasted death counts than other projections.

60,000 is on the low side and the hopefull side. This could easily reach 100000 to 240000 as well, 60000 is the best possible scenario. This one spreads much more easily than regular flu, and the affects are harder to treat. Gets into the lungs, and the lungs don't work..........this is not like regular flu.

Yes, that’s the best case scenario. For the regular flu, last years flu season was particularly virulent, but on the average, between 10-12,000 Americans die from flu. So 60,000 might be the worst imaginable for the flu, while 60,000 is the lowest we can hope for from this. Partly because we don’t have a vaccine yet. That’s why this year is different, and much more deadly.

graphicguy

When you see McCormick Place (largest convention center in North America) setting up as a triage center for Covid-19 and NYC’s hospitals stacking body bags of those who succumbed to Covid-19, it is indeed a very serious situation. There are 435,000 known cases in the U.S. alone with ~1,000 new cases diagnosed every day. Total deaths so far are nearly 15,000, with nearly 80 additional deaths per day and going up.

I have a really hard time with our gov’t or news outlets trying to minimize this crisis.

stickguy

It’s unique because of how concentrated it is (hotspots) and how condensed the timeline is. If you spread the impact so far over 9 months and the entire country it would look way different.

snakeweasel

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later

I doubt that. The incubation period alone is typically longer than that, and then you have to get sick enough to cause death. Even 8-10 days would be very fast from infection to death.

EDIT: watched the first part of the vid. They didn't say he died 4 days later but that he tested positive 4 days later. Very different.

The median incubation is just over 5 days which means that half the people will show symptoms in 5 days or less. Some sources state that it could be as low as a day. It will vary from person to person.

So if he had symptoms 4 days after being coughed on it's better than a 50% chance they had it before getting coughed on.

dino001

imidazol97 said:

The clue for hydroxychloroquin was that countries where malaria is common seemed not to have spread of the Virus.

I seriously doubt that as a logical conclusion. If malaria is a problem in your country then COVID19 is probably not even on a radar screen as a serious concern, probably a rounding error in caused of death. Indonesia for example still has zero COVID19 patients - they simply don't test for it at all.

dino001

graphicguy said:

When you see McCormick Place (largest convention center in North America) setting up as a triage center for Covid-19 and NYC’s hospitals stacking body bags of those who succumbed to Covid-19, it is indeed a very serious situation. There are 435,000 known cases in the U.S. alone with ~1,000 new cases diagnosed every day. Total deaths so far are nearly 15,000, with nearly 80 additional deaths per day and going up.

I have a really hard time with our gov’t or news outlets trying to minimize this crisis.

I think initially might have been understandable somewhat in January or even February. China was clearly lying about the severity of the disease, only their actions (complete lockdown of Hubei) should have been a good clue that something isn't adding up. Apparently there were some internal government reports about it, but the elected officials decided they were not even worth reading at that time. I guess, too long, words too difficult, who know why exactly. But, whatever, I can understand some initial inertia and resistance to put the country in a complete lockdown without seeing the severity first hand. What bothers me is what happened in March - Italy was quickly falling into abyss, China was still locked down, S. Korea was acting quickly and decisively, yet our elected officials were still in "no big deal, will go away, just don't get coughed on " mode for long days. Then this "let's open for Easter" nonsense, fortunately withdrawn couple of days later.

The biggest thing is that the top professionals were screaming for weeks, but just like Churchill said, seems we as American people (through our elected officials, these are people we think should represent us) have to exhaust all the options, before doing the right thing.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

Is it just me or does it look like there's a cell phone hovering above the front passenger side of the car?

I believe the word you're looking for is levitating. But no, it's not just you.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

These are truisms by Stephen Wright - I like #5
1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.*
2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back.
3 - Half the people you know are below average.
4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I’m fairly displeased with the national news coverage of this event. I was just watching a big three news report and they totally glossed over that the predicted deaths from this virus has dropped from several million to under 60,000 and that figure may go lower. They phrased that dramatic improvement as “death rate may be less than expected”. Hopefully all our sacrifices have had something to do with the improvement.

60,000 is about the same as a normal flu season, so I think a lot of us are confused.

I think that figure is a bit high, by as much as 100% . I think it's about 35k give or take.

In 2018 CDC said 61,000 (I had heard 80k but couldn’t find a source) but some years it’s been as low as 12,000. But remember we have a vaccine for regular flu. Your 35k might be a good average.

So far Covid has cause about 16,000.

houdini1

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later

I doubt that. The incubation period alone is typically longer than that, and then you have to get sick enough to cause death. Even 8-10 days would be very fast from infection to death.

EDIT: watched the first part of the vid. They didn't say he died 4 days later but that he tested positive 4 days later. Very different.

Either that or he died of a heart attack. Some of the "experts" and now saying the virus may cause heart attacks, so I guess they are counting them in the total.

ab348

Hindsight is 20-20. My sister had a long-planned group trip to Spain that had her going over there on Feb. 25th. We were just starting to hear media reports of it spreading out of China by the time she left, and she says even when she arrived the locals were largely unconcerned. Within a week or so all hell broke loose there and she was lucky to get back here unscathed after a harrowing journey. She went thru her quarantine and is fine. But this thing came on fast and it is very difficult to impose stringent measures before anything actually hits. The other thing to keep in mind is that Public Health was largely making stuff up as they went along in terms of what measures were necessary, something we are still seeing even now.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

jipster said:

Oldfarmer, that pre-owned Altima is being sold thru BMW of Louisville. So, I guess It's would have to go thru a third party to get the CVT covered longer. I know an earlier generation of the Altima had really bad.problems with that CVT. You'd think Nissan would have ironed out the wrinkles by now.

I think this is the vehicle:

https://www.louisvillebmw.com/used-Jefferson+County-2019-Nissan-Altima-25+SL-1N4BL4EV6KC235974

I like what I see in the pics. Very nice interior that isn't black, always a plus. Sharp wheels. Lots of features. If it drives well, it would be hard to pass up and the bonus is you keep an extra $12K-$15K in your pocket over the Acura.

I like that interior too. That car with the 3.5L would be fun to drive. My BIL’s 2015 was pretty fast.

stickguy

Well it puts a big strain on the lungs which taxes your whole system, so not surprising it could take down a heart that has issues.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

I have seen everything now. Went to Kroger early senior session. As I was leaving through the entrance, a lady and man were walking in pushing a grocery cart with a sheet laid over the whole thing. She was pushing it using the sheet around the handle. It was like they were going to load the cart, pull the sheet around every and lift by the corners as they flee the store. Much like thieves will grab pillow cases or sheets and fill them to carry out of the house they are robbing.

Quite an image. There is a good chance that as the coronavirus subsides, most people will wear a mask when they go out........this thing spreads like wildfire.

If you come across one with horizontal stripes let me know!

No...we're just going to run back across the border.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

Is it just me or does it look like there's a cell phone hovering above the front passenger side of the car?

Well, for what it cost to get an interior like that in a Camaro you probably get a flying cellphone at no extra cost.😀

dino001

oldfarmer50 said:

In 2018 CDC said 61,000 but some years it’s been as low as 12,000. But remember we have a vaccine for regular flu. Your 35k might be a good average.

So far Covid has cause about 16,000.

And this is just two months with all those restrictions in place. Take out the restrictions, project into the full event and you get pretty much everybody infected (they way it spreads, nothing would stop it if we were to go about our business) and about million or so dead easy (that would be just 0.5-1%) and millions crippled to some degree (lungs damaged beyond repair).

Spanish flu had mortality about 1-2 percent (number hard to estimate because many cases were not reported for propaganda reasons, so it looked like it was 10-20 percent in some places) and might have been a bit less contagious. We will likely have similar mortality, give or take, perhaps a less if we add all those non-symptomatic people, currently untested, unreported. The worst part is that the hospitalization percentage is much higher than regular flu (running in teens), which means in case of the overwhelmed demand, the mortality would potentially skyrocket as people would be left to survive without any support.

fintail

You think simple heart attacks are being counted as COVID cases?! I must be misreading that. If one has a heart attack that wouldn't have happened without the virus, well, there you go.

For everyone providing numbers, post your sources or refrain, please. I know we all need to accept that we live in an age of "alternative facts", but fake news helps nobody.

These days, when websites are changed after a certain no-credential son in law makes a dumb statement, vetting needs to be serious.

houdini1 said:

Either that or he died of a heart attack. Some of the "experts" and now saying the virus may cause heart attacks, so I guess they are counting them in the total.

28firefighter

Continuing my streak of bizarre health issues, in the middle of a global viral pandemic I have somehow picked up a bacterial infection that migrated to my chest and has caused pneumonia.

You can imagine how much fun it is trying to be seen by an actual doctor when you have any respiratory symptoms right now...

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

suydam said:

That’s not necessarily the case. British and Dutch folks aren’t the huggiest people in the world by nature and they are having a pretty terrible time of it now.

OK, let's look at the UK vs Italy, the UK has 10% more people than Italy has but it has less than half the confirmed cases and less than half of the deaths than Italy has. So it does support my position.

Since you wrote that, I have to reply. Yes, a small factor, but the larger picture is that Italy had one huge outbreak in a small town that went unchecked for some time. Yes, Italians hug and touch more....but, culture is a factor....it is still the touching and hugging and talking and living together in small homes with big families that contribute, but if they separated earlier and more often it wouldn't be as bad as it is.
New York is also exploding, culture a factor, but, people are riding on subways packed together, they ride elevators together, some have no idea of what they are doing and they play basketball together....touch the ball....breath on each other....NO SEPARATION!

Our local UDF store has put up plastic "sneeze" shields between the customer and the person on the register.

One example. 41 transit workers in New York have died from coronavirus. People who just went to work to do their jobs. This is no ordinary flu.
Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpibDL_lViE

I suspect there’s more to that story than they are telling us.

omarman

"Churchill said, seems we as American people (through our elected officials, these are people we think should represent us) have to exhaust all the options, before doing the right thing."

That's a famous misquote attributed to Churchill who purportedly said, "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than have to have a frontal lobotomy. I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane."

ab348

imidazol97 said:

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

Rare bird there - a Camaro without a coal-mine black interior.

A Camaro convertible with the top down is also one of the few Camaros you can actually see out of, although you need to be careful getting in so as not to let the windshield header take your eye out, since it extends over about half of the front seat.

fintail

These days an econ degree and a medical degree apparently allow one the same credibility in terms of pandemic response, so it all kind of works. Well, "works" might not be the term.

Maybe we should just follow the advice of brave warriors like moron Dan Patrick and Devilspawn Falwell and let the virus run its course, apparently older people will be happy to sacrifice themselves for the economy. I am sure they will be the first to volunteer themselves and their kin. Oh wait, sacrifice for thee, not for me.

dino001 said:

I think initially might have been understandable somewhat in January or even February. China was clearly lying about the severity of the disease, only their actions (complete lockdown of Hubei) should have been a good clue that something isn't adding up. Apparently there were some internal government reports about it, but the elected officials decided they were not even worth reading at that time. I guess, too long, words too difficult, who know why exactly. But, whatever, I can understand some initial inertia and resistance to put the country in a complete lockdown without seeing the severity first hand. What bothers me is what happened in March - Italy was quickly falling into abyss, China was still locked down, S. Korea was acting quickly and decisively, yet our elected officials were still in "no big deal, will go away, just don't get coughed on " mode for long days. Then this "let's open for Easter" nonsense, fortunately withdrawn couple of days later.

The biggest thing is that the top professionals were screaming for weeks, but just like Churchill said, seems we as American people (through our elected officials, these are people we think should represent us) have to exhaust all the options, before doing the right thing.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

I suppose this is common everywhere now, but social distancing measures here mean that people queue up at 6-ft intervals to get into the grocery store, which have some sort of arbitrary limit on the number of folks allowed inside at any one time. This morning I was out on an errand and decided to check out a few supermarkets to see how things were. At a couple, the lines were ridiculously long, stretching all the way around the store building. Glad I wasn't in desperate need.

The local Walmart roped off the doors between the entrance and the exit so you couldn’t go in the wrong door. It was always a pet peeve that you would be going out the exit and some boob would be pushing a shopping cart at you from the wrong direction. Good for Walmart.

I asked the poor guy sitting at the door wrangling all the idiots into the right entry if they were limiting number of people in the store and he said they weren’t.

oldfarmer50

dino001 said:

imidazol97 said:

The clue for hydroxychloroquin was that countries where malaria is common seemed not to have spread of the Virus.

I seriously doubt that as a logical conclusion. If malaria is a problem in your country then COVID19 is probably not even on a radar screen as a serious concern, probably a rounding error in caused of death. Indonesia for example still has zero COVID19 patients - they simply don't test for it at all.

Exactly. That has lead to the myth that folks of African ancestry are immune to the virus because of some weird perceived connection between malaria in those countries and the anti-malaria drug being investigated as a treatment. The kind of magical thinking that gets people sick.

driver100

ab348 said:

I got an email the other day from Amazon reminding me that since I am a Prime member, they have free music streaming available. I haven't bothered to check that out. Anyone use that?

Prime is behaving oddly of late in terms of audio and video. I watched a couple of things they offered over the last week and both looked like they had been taken off videotapes that had been badly stored, with dropouts and occasionally lines breaking up the image. One of these was made in 2016 so it isn't like it was an ancient copy. Last night I tried to watch the movie "Rocketman" and it started out with a very low sound level. I had to turn my TV up to 50 on its scale whereas usually it is never more than 30. Then about 15-20 minutes in, the sound disappeared altogether. I tried exiting, re-entering, even shut the TV off for a while and went back to it, with no luck. I then watched something else on there which was fine. Bizarre.

Ab, the problem could be that Netflix and Prime etc have reduced bandwidth. So many people are at home all day they had to do this, so picture quality and dependability have been sacrificed. On our streaming, both Netflix and Prime seem to have to reboot more often....frustrating. Sometimes pulling the plug on the wi-fi thing for 10 seconds seems to help....especially if you reinsert it

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later

I doubt that. The incubation period alone is typically longer than that, and then you have to get sick enough to cause death. Even 8-10 days would be very fast from infection to death.

EDIT: watched the first part of the vid. They didn't say he died 4 days later but that he tested positive 4 days later. Very different.

They said he made the video 4 days before he died. In the video he already has a fever, so the coughing could have happened a few days before that.

driver100

graphicguy said:

When you see McCormick Place (largest convention center in North America) setting up as a triage center for Covid-19 and NYC’s hospitals stacking body bags of those who succumbed to Covid-19, it is indeed a very serious situation. There are 435,000 known cases in the U.S. alone with ~1,000 new cases diagnosed every day. Total deaths so far are nearly 15,000, with nearly 80 additional deaths per day and going up.

I have a really hard time with our gov’t or news outlets trying to minimize this crisis.

435,000 known cases, and they say the real number could easily be 10X to 100X that....those are just people who actually tested positive!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

suydam said:

That’s not necessarily the case. British and Dutch folks aren’t the huggiest people in the world by nature and they are having a pretty terrible time of it now.

OK, let's look at the UK vs Italy, the UK has 10% more people than Italy has but it has less than half the confirmed cases and less than half of the deaths than Italy has. So it does support my position.

Since you wrote that, I have to reply. Yes, a small factor, but the larger picture is that Italy had one huge outbreak in a small town that went unchecked for some time. Yes, Italians hug and touch more....but, culture is a factor....it is still the touching and hugging and talking and living together in small homes with big families that contribute, but if they separated earlier and more often it wouldn't be as bad as it is.
New York is also exploding, culture a factor, but, people are riding on subways packed together, they ride elevators together, some have no idea of what they are doing and they play basketball together....touch the ball....breath on each other....NO SEPARATION!

Our local UDF store has put up plastic "sneeze" shields between the customer and the person on the register.

One example. 41 transit workers in New York have died from coronavirus. People who just went to work to do their jobs. This is no ordinary flu.
Did you see that poor bus driver, got coughed on and died 4 days later;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpibDL_lViE

I suspect there’s more to that story than they are telling us.

Not everything is a conspiracy thing....they showed his family crying. Some things are faked, and sometimes we don't get the real truth, but, there comes a point when you have to accept some things are true. Not saying that since it was carried on almost all news outlets...I saw it first on ABC....that it is true, but, there would have been some checks in place, especially interviewing the family.

driver100

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

Here's an interior to make me feel young again.

Rare bird there - a Camaro without a coal-mine black interior.

A Camaro convertible with the top down is also one of the few Camaros you can actually see out of, although you need to be careful getting in so as not to let the windshield header take your eye out, since it extends over about half of the front seat.

That's about the only way to be in a Camaro....is with the top down. I have tried to look in them and it looks like a deep dark pit....I have only seen them with black interiors.

driver100

28firefighter said:

Continuing my streak of bizarre health issues, in the middle of a global viral pandemic I have somehow picked up a bacterial infection that migrated to my chest and has caused pneumonia.

You can imagine how much fun it is trying to be seen by an actual doctor when you have any respiratory symptoms right now...

Sorry to hear this firefighter. Hope you can get seen or at least tested soon...hoping for the best.

benjaminh

I was really taking a back road today....but no crowds!

houdini1

fintail said:

You think simple heart attacks are being counted as COVID cases?! I must be misreading that. If one has a heart attack that wouldn't have happened without the virus, well, there you go.

For everyone providing numbers, post your sources or refrain, please. I know we all need to accept that we live in an age of "alternative facts", but fake news helps nobody.

These days, when websites are changed after a certain no-credential son in law makes a dumb statement, vetting needs to be serious.

houdini1 said:

Either that or he died of a heart attack. Some of the "experts" and now saying the virus may cause heart attacks, so I guess they are counting them in the total.

blockquote class="Quote" rel="fintail">You think simple heart attacks are being counted as COVID cases?! I must be misreading that. If one has a heart attack that wouldn't have happened without the virus, well, there you go.

For everyone providing numbers, post your sources or refrain, please. I know we all need to accept that we live in an age of "alternative facts", but fake news helps nobody.

These days, when websites are changed after a certain no-credential son in law makes a dumb statement, vetting needs to be serious.

houdini1 said:

Either that or he died of a heart attack. Some of the "experts" and now saying the virus may cause heart attacks, so I guess they are counting them in the total.

Yes, I think they are counting every death that has any connection to the virus. An older person is always a good candidate for a heart attack. If he also virus symptons, I think his name goes into the hat. Very easy to do your own research if you are curious. Just google coronovirus and heart attacks.

28firefighter

I'm COVID negative, so the only thing to do is antibiotics for 10 days and, you know, not contract COVID while I'm fighting this - that would be counterproductive.