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tjc78

I got $65 from Liberty Mutual. Not a lot but better than an increase.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

400 HP and a stick? sounds good to me!

And just in time for the 104k timing belt change.

explorerx4

@Venture,
We've got 4 cars and also got $50.

jwm40517

Auto Owners Ins says 15% of premiums paid in April & May per agent. We paid $800 car & $200 umbrella.

oldfarmer50

The government must be monitoring these discussions because within an hour of complaining how my son hadn’t gotten his stimulus money I got a notice that it will be in his account on 5/28.

On behalf of the kid I want to thank the powerful movers and shakers on this forum. 🤑🤑🤑👍

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@Venture,
We've got 4 cars and also got $50.

The discount is because you are driving a lot less. Whether you have one car or 10 cars...you still drive the same amount, less - theoretically.

stickguy

I think it is just a straight % of your premium. Doesn't matter how many cars you have.

Sandman6472

Safeco sent us $46 last week and an additional $46.50 the first week of April. Not complaining one bit as it was nice to get them. Now, if that damn stimulus would get here already, I'd be happy!

venture

explorerx4 said:

@Venture,
We've got 4 cars and also got $50.

You should feel twice as insulted as I do.

houdini1

Sandman6472 said:

Safeco sent us $46 last week and an additional $46.50 the first week of April. Not complaining one bit as it was nice to get them. Now, if that damn stimulus would get here already, I'd be happy!

Hey Sandy, you may have to go back to work for the P.O. Since you retired things have gone downhill.

roadburner

I received $71.45 from Progressive for five cars. The Club Sport is covered by Hagerty and is already on a low mileage collector policy.

graphicguy

explorerx4 said:

If I had a Ferarri or Porsche, I might worry about the front plate.
Speaking of the design forgetting to allow for a front plate, how about this one?

Those were the best looking Camaro versions out of all of them, IMHO (except for the tacky aftermarket SS insignia on this one). Unfortunately, they were neutered because of the initial emissions requirements of the time.

Front plates....just looked it up...not required in OHIO starting July 1. I think I’m safe in not having one.

driver100

roadburner said:

I received $71.45 from Progressive for five cars. The Club Sport is covered by Hagerty and is already on a low mileage collector policy.

I'd complain...only a measly $14.29 a car! :@

driver100

We have been walking with Trixie a few times a day. Our streets don't have sidewalks....that is a good thing. But, I would say, 90% of the people don't know what side of the street to walk on. Almost all of them walk on the right like cars, and don't walk facing the traffic. Don't they teach that any more?

driver100

houdini1 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Safeco sent us $46 last week and an additional $46.50 the first week of April. Not complaining one bit as it was nice to get them. Now, if that damn stimulus would get here already, I'd be happy!

Hey Sandy, you may have to go back to work for the P.O. Since you retired things have gone downhill.

Didn't he leave Hertz too, to go to Enterprise?

houdini1

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Safeco sent us $46 last week and an additional $46.50 the first week of April. Not complaining one bit as it was nice to get them. Now, if that damn stimulus would get here already, I'd be happy!

Hey Sandy, you may have to go back to work for the P.O. Since you retired things have gone downhill.

Didn't he leave Hertz too, to go to Enterprise?

I'm seeing a pattern here!

driver100

They had a really good documentary about the Spanish Flu on PBS. Lots of interesting facts, some that standout;
Almost 700000 Americans died...and of course a much smaller population.
25% of the people got the flu in the U.S.
Soldiers brought it back from Europe....so it reached a lot of places
It affected mostly 20 to 30 year olds.
It killed 1 to 3% of the worlds population. Swine flu 2009-10 killed 150000 to 575000. That was about 0.001% to 0.007% of the world's population
The most interesting fact to me was......they said it faded away, as quickly as it came......they don't mention that too often.

stickguy

I don't think there ever was a vaccine for that, so likely actual herd immunity taking over?

omarman

That red Camaro SS looks great but it's been converted by the owner to a "split bumper" set up. Chevy never made any Camaro with the "banana" style parking lights combined with the RS bumperettes. Lots of Camaro owners like the RS style and converted their original cars to that look. Here's a sales brochure from 1971 which shows the difference between the SS Camaro and the RS version with round parking lights.

Btw you could order the RS appearance option on any '70 - '73 Camaro just like the first gen.

graphicguy said:

explorerx4 said:

If I had a Ferarri or Porsche, I might worry about the front plate.
Speaking of the design forgetting to allow for a front plate, how about this one?

Those were the best looking Camaro versions out of all of them, IMHO (except for the tacky aftermarket SS insignia on this one). Unfortunately, they were neutered because of the initial emissions requirements of the time.

Front plates....just looked it up...not required in OHIO starting July 1. I think I’m safe in not having one.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

They had a really good documentary about the Spanish Flu on PBS. Lots of interesting facts, some that standout;
Almost 700000 Americans died...and of course a much smaller population.
25% of the people got the flu in the U.S.
Soldiers brought it back from Europe....so it reached a lot of places
It affected mostly 20 to 30 year olds.
It killed 1 to 3% of the worlds population. Swine flu 2009-10 killed 150000 to 575000. That was about 0.001% to 0.007% of the world's population
The most interesting fact to me was......they said it faded away, as quickly as it came......they don't mention that too often.

This Wuhan SARS2-coronavirus19 isn't anything like the Spanish flu, although some try to suggest that was the threat. Spanish affected lots of age ranges. the Wuhan virus affects mostly older folks and/or those with extra problematic conditions. Lots of deaths are being counted that are from other causes. I saw an unbiased source that said which of the recent virus strains this "new" virus was similar to, but I don't have a link to it. Lots of information out there that's motivated by various purposes.

imidazol97

Still waiting for insurance refund check from State Farm.

Wife tried to call agency office a week ago to ask about how they were doing
the refunds they were advertising. Instead she got a canned speech from the office
manager about The Virus instead of a direct answer. The agent himself called to
apologize for his person running our secondary office's upsetting my wife
with a non response.
Twice.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Safeco sent us $46 last week and an additional $46.50 the first week of April. Not complaining one bit as it was nice to get them. Now, if that damn stimulus would get here already, I'd be happy!

Hey Sandy, you may have to go back to work for the P.O. Since you retired things have gone downhill.

Didn't he leave Hertz too, to go to Enterprise?

Be careful, he may have connections at all those places. Your mail might end up on your roof and your Maserati rental could turn into a Yugo. 🤯🤦‍♂️

roadburner

I think that the 1970-1973 Camaros were the best looking F Bodies bar none. My dream car would be a 1970 Z/28 RS with three pedals.

oldfarmer50

omarman said:

That red Camaro SS looks great but it's been converted by the owner to a "split bumper" set up. Chevy never made any Camaro with the "banana" style parking lights combined with the RS bumperettes. Lots of Camaro owners like the RS style and converted their original cars to that look. Here's a sales brochure from 1971 which shows the difference between the SS Camaro and the RS version with round parking lights.

Btw you could order the RS appearance option on any '70 - '73 Camaro just like the first gen.

graphicguy said:

explorerx4 said:

If I had a Ferarri or Porsche, I might worry about the front plate.
Speaking of the design forgetting to allow for a front plate, how about this one?

Those were the best looking Camaro versions out of all of them, IMHO (except for the tacky aftermarket SS insignia on this one). Unfortunately, they were neutered because of the initial emissions requirements of the time.

Front plates....just looked it up...not required in OHIO starting July 1. I think I’m safe in not having one.

Was the RS trim a 6cyl. like it is today?

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

They had a really good documentary about the Spanish Flu on PBS. Lots of interesting facts, some that standout;
Almost 700000 Americans died...and of course a much smaller population.
25% of the people got the flu in the U.S.
Soldiers brought it back from Europe....so it reached a lot of places
It affected mostly 20 to 30 year olds.
It killed 1 to 3% of the worlds population. Swine flu 2009-10 killed 150000 to 575000. That was about 0.001% to 0.007% of the world's population
The most interesting fact to me was......they said it faded away, as quickly as it came......they don't mention that too often.

This Wuhan SARS2-coronavirus19 isn't anything like the Spanish flu, although some try to suggest that was the threat. Spanish affected lots of age ranges. the Wuhan virus affects mostly older folks and/or those with extra problematic conditions. Lots of deaths are being counted that are from other causes. I saw an unbiased source that said which of the recent virus strains this "new" virus was similar to, but I don't have a link to it. Lots of information out there that's motivated by various purposes.

I don’t know how accurate death figures are for the 1918 pandemic. I don’t think they had any viral tests back then so people might have been just guessing at cause of death. They’re not even sure where it started. Europe? Kansas? Elsewhere? Take you pick. Health care was pretty primitive back then.

driver100

stickguy said:

I don't think there ever was a vaccine for that, so likely actual herd immunity taking over?

Definitely herd immunity. I was surprised they had vaccines then, but couldn't make one for that particular strain - they tried. They eventually knew to wear masks and to keep distance....but, that took a long time to realize.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

houdini1 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Safeco sent us $46 last week and an additional $46.50 the first week of April. Not complaining one bit as it was nice to get them. Now, if that damn stimulus would get here already, I'd be happy!

Hey Sandy, you may have to go back to work for the P.O. Since you retired things have gone downhill.

Didn't he leave Hertz too, to go to Enterprise?

Be careful, he may have connections at all those places. Your mail might end up on your roof and your Maserati rental could turn into a Yugo. 🤯🤦‍♂️

I'd steer him to a job at Thrifty or Avis if you want to keep your job.

venture

My stop/start thing-a-ma-bob has been stopped for 8 minutes and 52 seconds and has saved 0.074 gallons of gas.

omarman

I don't know if they make an RS option for Camaro anymore. Previous gen Camaro had an RS appearance option available with the LT V6 and SS V8.

tjc78

venture said:

My stop/start thing-a-ma-bob has been stopped for 8 minutes and 52 seconds and has saved 0.074 gallons of gas.

Lol. I’m so happy that once I turn off S/S in my Volvo it’s gone forever. Not a fan.

qbrozen

venture said:

My stop/start thing-a-ma-bob has been stopped for 8 minutes and 52 seconds and has saved 0.074 gallons of gas.

I wonder how many cycles that was. Even at 30 secs ea. That is 18 restarts to save roughly 1 penny each time in fuel but adding lord knows how much wear and tear.

venture

tjc78 said:

venture said:

My stop/start thing-a-ma-bob has been stopped for 8 minutes and 52 seconds and has saved 0.074 gallons of gas.

Lol. I’m so happy that once I turn off S/S in my Volvo it’s gone forever. Not a fan.

It doesn't bother me. It drives Mrs. venture crazy.

Just think. I can go another 4 seconds between fill-ups.

tjc78

The only benefit I can see for S/S is the aggregate of all the savings.

There are millions of cars so that small savings of emissions and FE do add up to a much more measurable number.

I don’t drive much and it drives me crazy so I’m not contributing to the cause.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Was the RS trim a 6cyl. like it is today?

No. While you could add the RS package to a six cylinder secretary car, you could also order it on an SS or Z/28.

The RS package reappeared as a garish paint/stripe package a few years later.

ab348

When it debuted for 1967, the interwebs tell me these were the possibilities for the Camaro:


The 1967 Camaro featured three options: the RS, SS and Z/28. The RS was an appearance package only with special grille treatment that included hidden and different headlamps from the standard Camaros, special “RS” badging and special chrome and blackout trim. The SS was a performance option that also included special “SS” badging, trim and choice of performance V8s. The 1967 version of the Z/28 was a little advertised and seldom sold high-performance package featuring the 302-cubic-inch V8.

RS/SS

The RS appearance package could be ordered with the Super Sport option with most engine and trim choices available in the combination. The only limit was that the performance 375-horsepower 396-cubic-inch V8 was not available on the RS.

For the 2nd-gen cars the hidden headlights were not available and instead the RS option gave split front bumperettes and the good-looking round parking lights along with a few other bits.

explorerx4

The S/S in my truck is pretty benign and I feel it saves a noticeable amount of fuel.
Same when I had my 17 Fusion.
I realize some other manufacturers don't have a smooth S/S system and it can be annoying, but to me it's like not running your A/C because you are afraid the compressor clutch is going wear out.

graphicguy

New York Times....COVID 19.....sobering......

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/24/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-100000.html

driver100

graphicguy said:

New York Times....COVID 19.....sobering......

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/24/us/us-coronavirus-deaths-100000.html

Sobering is right.....especially the way they list some of the people and what made them individuals.

driver100

tjc78 said:

The only benefit I can see for S/S is the aggregate of all the savings.
There are millions of cars so that small savings of emissions and FE do add up to a much more measurable number.

True, millions of cars will save a few hundred barrels of oil....but, the main reason for S/S is so car makers are within the CAFE regulations.

stickguy

bingo driver

carnaught

imidazol97 said:

Still waiting for insurance refund check from State Farm.

Wife tried to call agency office a week ago to ask about how they were doing
the refunds they were advertising. Instead she got a canned speech from the office
manager about The Virus instead of a direct answer. The agent himself called to
apologize for his person running our secondary office's upsetting my wife
with a non response.
Twice.

Sorry, but Jake is too busy.

explorerx4

Just because S/S is mainly to help manufacturers meet fuel consumption regs doesn't mean it doesn't work.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

Just because S/S is mainly to help manufacturers meet fuel consumption regs doesn't mean it doesn't work.

True....it makes a difference if you have a gas guzzler - just annoying if your car is easy on gas.

explorerx4

@driver100,
It's your car that's annoying. You should try one that has a good S/S system.
I don't have any gas guzzlers and the effect was more noticeable(saved more fuel) on my Fusion(1.5 liter 4 cyl) than my truck(3.5 V6).
1 mpg better in the truck and 2 mpg in the car.

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

Just because S/S is mainly to help manufacturers meet fuel consumption regs doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Do you honestly think the intrusion, wear and tear, extra components (battery, wiring, sensors, computer) along with the extra weight is worth the minimal MPG gain to the end user?

explorerx4

@tjc78,
See my last comment. Also, if your car has a cheap starter, then you may have a problem.
Overall, I see it as much less complicated than cylinder deactivation or making an engine that is both supercharged and turbocharged.

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

@tjc78,
See my last comment. Also, if your car has a cheap starter, then you may have a problem.
Overall, I see it as much less complicated than cylinder deactivation or making an engine that is both supercharged and turbocharged.

I’m stunned by 2MPG increase. That’s impressive.

explorerx4

I keep detailed fuel consumption records but don't forget, that's for the driving I do(did before Covid).
In my Fusion, the S/S don't go on for about 6 months(don't know why), but the mpg's were 2 below the year before
for the same time period and I drove about the same # of miles.

ab348

explorerx4 said:

In my Fusion, the S/S don't go on for about 6 months(don't know why), but the mpg's were 2 below the year before for the same time period and I drove about the same # of miles.

Maybe the wear and tear caused something to break.

explorerx4

@ab348,
Funny! No, the S/S did resume normal function again after a long road trip.