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imidazol97

I'll bet they sell them on the internet. A little epoxy glue on your hood and voila', you've got an MB.

imidazol97

This accident didn't have a lot of information about how the vehicle stop started--for what reason.
I suspect there's a whole lot more to the story. A person with the same exact name as the driver was incarcerated a few years back in NC.

graphicguy

@qbrozen ...I know I've been away for a while, but before my prison sentence (j/k) took me away from the boards, you had just taken delivery of the Wrangler 4Xe. Now, I see it's crossed out of your siggy. Did you flip it? Good ROI?

imidazol97

Happy Thanksgiving to all for tomorrow for most. And for a belated Thanksgiving for our Canadian friends who celebrate second week of October.

I've been prepping the turkey breast putting it into the roasting bag and peeling and slicing potatoes for the
mashed potatoes for our small celebration with the kids this evening. This year they are going to the inlaws for Thanksgiving Day with DIL's parents and two siblings--Michigan fans.

Go Bucks.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

@carnaught
Yesterday ab mentioned the CR survey about reliability. One thing that stood out for me was:
the Tahoe:
the redesigned Tahoe is well below average. The Tahoe has multiple reports of major engine and transmission problems, both requiring a rebuild or replacement.( A Tahoe may not be a GMC but I think it is the equivalent or similar)
Maybe electrical problems are another issue.
You would think they have been building these things for so long they would get better each year....and shouldn't that be a fairly easy thing to locate. I mean, I am no technician or mechanic but don't they have voltage meters or things like that these days?

Two issues with the new Tahoe (or an GM with the cylinder deactivation V8). Allegedly, in GM’s quest to improve fuel economy, they keep coming back to cylinder deactivation. They aren’t very good at that technology, and never have been, for decades. Yet, they keep doing it.

Moreover, the change in torque from cylinder deactivation creates chaos with the computer controlled transmission, too.

This info comes from a Chevrolet tech at my local dealer.

I think that system wrecks havoc with the lifters too. I’ve read that many people disable it upon purchase.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

Those MB just don't hold up well in accidents. I like the way the 3-pointed star is still proudly
standing above the wreck.

Of course, there's more to the story. The driver was on 4 rims before this accident occured. The
car didn't even need tires. Driver was being pursued by officers, driving a friend's Mercedes!!!
She is shown as from California: he lives near Dayton.

I think we need more story to the more to the story. How did she end up on the rims and did the friend know she was out in California?

imidazol97

@OLDFARMER50
https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/reports-pursuit-ends-crash-involving-sheriffs-office-cruiser-dayton/23CT5OL6WVAQLMN6FO3G6NVXEI/
https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/reports-pursuit-ends-crash-involving-sheriffs-office-cruiser-dayton/23CT5OL6WVAQLMN6FO3G6NVXEI/

I see I spoke wrong. I thought she was from California. Nope. North Dakota. Close.

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

@carnaught
Yesterday ab mentioned the CR survey about reliability. One thing that stood out for me was:
the Tahoe:
the redesigned Tahoe is well below average. The Tahoe has multiple reports of major engine and transmission problems, both requiring a rebuild or replacement.( A Tahoe may not be a GMC but I think it is the equivalent or similar)
Maybe electrical problems are another issue.
You would think they have been building these things for so long they would get better each year....and shouldn't that be a fairly easy thing to locate. I mean, I am no technician or mechanic but don't they have voltage meters or things like that these days?

Two issues with the new Tahoe (or an GM with the cylinder deactivation V8). Allegedly, in GM’s quest to improve fuel economy, they keep coming back to cylinder deactivation. They aren’t very good at that technology, and never have been, for decades. Yet, they keep doing it.

Moreover, the change in torque from cylinder deactivation creates chaos with the computer controlled transmission, too.

This info comes from a Chevrolet tech at my local dealer.

I think that system wrecks havoc with the lifters too. I’ve read that many people disable it upon purchase.

Heard same here. My Chevrolet Tech said they get requests at the dealership to disable cylinder deactivation all the time. Of course, the dealership isn’t allowed to do it. But, after the owner signs a Waiver of Liability form, he’s disabling them on the side, for a fee. Making a nice little side income.

Told him he was probably playing with fire, given that’s a conflict of interest. He said he could always find another job as an independent if he wanted.

fintail

Looks like pre-facelift W211 E-class, 2003-06 I think. Now it really has a facelift!

I'd rather crash in that than most cars of the era.

imidazol97 said:

Those MB just don't hold up well in accidents. I like the way the 3-pointed star is still proudly
standing above the wreck.

Of course, there's more to the story. The driver was on 4 rims before this accident occured. The
car didn't even need tires. Driver was being pursued by officers, driving a friend's Mercedes!!!
She is shown as from California: he lives near Dayton.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

@imidazol97 said:

Those MB just don't hold up well in accidents. I like the way the 3-pointed star is still proudly

standing above the wreck.

Of course, there's more to the story. The driver was on 4 rims before this accident occured. The

car didn't even need tires. Driver was being pursued by officers, driving a friend's Mercedes!!!

She is shown as from California: he lives near Dayton.

Where can I get a star like that and don’t tell me to buy a Benz? I want something I can trust that won’t be overly expensive when something breaks when it’s out of warranty.

jmonroe

You can buy one on Amazon for $40, you cheap............

imidazol97

Rental car price shock--with a quote from Edmunds at the end paragraph.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/car-rental-prices-increase-75-percent-ahead-of-thanksgiving/

"Thanksgiving travelers can expect to pay as much as 75 percent more for car rentals this week amid a nationwide shortage of vehicles, sky high gas prices and supply chain headaches.

"The average cost per day for a rental car is about 66 percent higher than it was last year and 75 percent higher than 2019 prices, ABC News reported, citing estimates from the travel booking website Kayak.

"Jonathan Weinberg, the founder and CEO of Autoslash.com, said consumers are spending as much as $300 per day to rent a car in busy locales such as New York and the average price nationwide is about $100 a day, more than 50 percent higher than it was in 2019.

"“Things are pretty crazy at the moment and the reason is because we have a massive shortage of rental cars, there is a semiconductor shortage, basically computer chips are not available and with today’s modern cars, they require over 100 chips in each one,” Weinberg told The Post Tuesday.
...


Ivan Drury, the senior manager of insight at Edmunds, said the automotive industry has been in chaos since the COVID-19 pandemic and it’s leading to sticker shock at the car rental counter.

“It really comes down to the fact that last year during the heat of the pandemic, the rental agencies weren’t moving units, no one was moving cars, they were holding on to these depreciating assets… they decided they were just going to have to sell these things,” he said.

Around the same time, automakers were forced to shut down factories, and production came to a halt. They halted orders on the semiconductor chips needed to power everything from heated seats to navigation systems, but when the economy bounced back quicker than expected, they weren’t able to procure the crucial parts, Drury explained.

“Right now new car dealers only have about 20 percent of the inventory that they are accustomed to having during a normal year so we’ve even seen that rental agencies [who] want to buy x amount of units, they can’t even get those delivered to them, some rental car agencies are even resorting to used cars.”

driver100

When I checked the trade-in value of the C250 2 years ago it was worth $11000. I wonder what I could get for it today (34000 miles)?
Then again, what would I pay for an inflated price on a newer one.

(I removed the guy in the striped T-shirt)

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

Rental car price shock--with a quote from Edmunds at the end paragraph.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/car-rental-prices-increase-75-percent-ahead-of-thanksgiving/

"Thanksgiving travelers can expect to pay as much as 75 percent more for car rentals this week amid a nationwide shortage of vehicles, sky high gas prices and supply chain headaches.

"The average cost per day for a rental car is about 66 percent higher than it was last year and 75 percent higher than 2019 prices, ABC News reported, citing estimates from the travel booking website Kayak.

"Jonathan Weinberg, the founder and CEO of Autoslash.com, said consumers are spending as much as $300 per day to rent a car in busy locales such as New York and the average price nationwide is about $100 a day, more than 50 percent higher than it was in 2019.

"“Things are pretty crazy at the moment and the reason is because we have a massive shortage of rental cars, there is a semiconductor shortage, basically computer chips are not available and with today’s modern cars, they require over 100 chips in each one,” Weinberg told The Post Tuesday.
...


Ivan Drury, the senior manager of insight at Edmunds, said the automotive industry has been in chaos since the COVID-19 pandemic and it’s leading to sticker shock at the car rental counter.

“It really comes down to the fact that last year during the heat of the pandemic, the rental agencies weren’t moving units, no one was moving cars, they were holding on to these depreciating assets… they decided they were just going to have to sell these things,” he said.

Around the same time, automakers were forced to shut down factories, and production came to a halt. They halted orders on the semiconductor chips needed to power everything from heated seats to navigation systems, but when the economy bounced back quicker than expected, they weren’t able to procure the crucial parts, Drury explained.

“Right now new car dealers only have about 20 percent of the inventory that they are accustomed to having during a normal year so we’ve even seen that rental agencies [who] want to buy x amount of units, they can’t even get those delivered to them, some rental car agencies are even resorting to used cars.”

I’m sure it’s particularly bad for the holiday but prices have been insane for a year. When I’m assigned to the airport it’s often a mad dash to get them cleaned and right back into service because there’s a line of waiting customers.

My division is currently so short of cars that we are buying used cars off dealer lots for full retail. I’ve see some as old as 2018s with 30k plus miles on them.

qbrozen

@graphicguy said:
@qbrozen ...I know I've been away for a while, but before my prison sentence (j/k) took me away from the boards, you had just taken delivery of the Wrangler 4Xe. Now, I see it's crossed out of your siggy. Did you flip it? Good ROI?

Hey, GG. Yes, it was good. Cleared over $5100 after accounting for all expenses and payments. Sold the wife’s van at the same time. We currently have 4 more rides on order (2 for flipping) and I’m trying to secure a Mach E for the interim.

graphicguy

qbrozen said:

@graphicguy said:
@qbrozen ...I know I've been away for a while, but before my prison sentence (j/k) took me away from the boards, you had just taken delivery of the Wrangler 4Xe. Now, I see it's crossed out of your siggy. Did you flip it? Good ROI?

Hey, GG. Yes, it was good. Cleared over $5100 after accounting for all expenses and payments. Sold the wife’s van at the same time. We currently have 4 more rides on order (2 for flipping) and I’m trying to secure a Mach E for the interim.

Great to hear. Didn’t do as well as you. But, after I cashed in on the Stinger, I bought and flipped an ‘07 Honda CRV with 154K miles for +$2,100 and an ‘05 F150 with 168K miles with a dented rear ¼ for +$3,300.

Getting tougher to flip because available vehicles are tightening. But, knowing someone who knows someone who knows someone needing cash eases the hunt.

Again…..good for you.

stickguy

maybe the rental companies shouldn't have gotten greedy and sold all their inventory.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

maybe the rental companies shouldn't have gotten greedy and sold all their inventory.

Maybe you should have bought one when they did.

sda

Recently I saw multiple recent model Chrysler 300s with 60K+ miles listed for $27k+. What?? I suspect they were retired rentals which makes the asking price even more laughable.

28firefighter

In case anyone was curious, here is a follow-up on my home generator solution:

• I had a 240V/30A (L14-30R) power inlet installed on the side of my house going to a new circuit on my panel along with a Gen Interlock Kit. This allows me to safely flip over to generator power by locking out the main service circuit when the generator circuit is on.
  
• I bought a Duromax XP9000ih portable generator. It is highly regarded as it is a dual fuel, inverter generator that provides 9000 surge watts/7600 running watts on gasoline and 8550 starting watts/7250 running watts on propane. Generator arrived this week.
  

I tested the whole setup today and it worked great. I am able to run basically every circuit in my house (I did not try the dishwasher, dryer, or air conditioning) and still keep the running load below 50% - that means I can run 8-10 hours on a single 20lb propane tank, which is perfect. I suspect I could run everything, except AC which has a surge wattage/amperage well beyond the capability of most portable generators. That kind of stinks, but reality is we usually only lose power in the fall/winter.

Pretty pleased! I'm sure we'll never lose power again now...

oldfarmer50

sda said:

Recently I saw multiple recent model Chrysler 300s with 60K+ miles listed for $27k+. What?? I suspect they were retired rentals which makes the asking price even more laughable.

Could be ex rentals. We’re keeping them a lot longer because we can’t get replacements.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

In case anyone was curious, here is a follow-up on my home generator solution:

• I had a 240V/30A (L14-30R) power inlet installed on the side of my house going to a new circuit on my panel along with a Gen Interlock Kit. This allows me to safely flip over to generator power by locking out the main service circuit when the generator circuit is on.
  
• I bought a Duromax XP9000ih portable generator. It is highly regarded as it is a dual fuel, inverter generator that provides 9000 surge watts/7600 running watts on gasoline and 8550 starting watts/7250 running watts on propane. Generator arrived this week.
  

I tested the whole setup today and it worked great. I am able to run basically every circuit in my house (I did not try the dishwasher, dryer, or air conditioning) and still keep the running load below 50% - that means I can run 8-10 hours on a single 20lb propane tank, which is perfect. I suspect I could run everything, except AC which has a surge wattage/amperage well beyond the capability of most portable generators. That kind of stinks, but reality is we usually only lose power in the fall/winter.

Pretty pleased! I'm sure we'll never lose power again now...

A Duromax dual-fuel is what I had at first ... until it caught fire. I think it was an XP10000? 18hp, I know that much. Please keep it a good distance from your house!

venture

driver100 said:

(I removed the guy in the striped T-shirt)

Thank you.

28firefighter

@qbrozen said:
A Duromax dual-fuel is what I had at first ... until it caught fire. I think it was an XP10000? 18hp, I know that much. Please keep it a good distance from your house!

Good intel - thanks! Any context on what may have caused it?

stickguy

@oldfarmer50 said:
Maybe you should have bought one when they did.

Until the princess came home this week and confiscated our only car, I didn’t even need one.

qbrozen

@28firefighter said:

Good intel - thanks! Any context on what may have caused it?

The engine was fine. It seemed it was the wiring of the electrical generator that wasn’t up to the task and burst into flames.

jmonroe1

@imidazol97 said:
@OLDFARMER50
https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/reports-pursuit-ends-crash-involving-sheriffs-office-cruiser-dayton/23CT5OL6WVAQLMN6FO3G6NVXEI/
https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/reports-pursuit-ends-crash-involving-sheriffs-office-cruiser-dayton/23CT5OL6WVAQLMN6FO3G6NVXEI/

I see I spoke wrong. I thought she was from California. Nope. North Dakota. Close.

How many years did it take until you passed 5th grade geography?

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@driver100 said:
You can buy one on Amazon for $40, you cheap............

Nah I don’t really want it but if I was allowed, I’d tell you what you could do with that.

jmonroe

driver100

stickguy said:

maybe the rental companies shouldn't have gotten greedy and sold all their inventory.

I don't think they sold them out of greed, it was to avoid bankruptcy. They were paying for cars that no one was renting, you can't stay in business that way - and they sold them when prices were low.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

I'll bet they sell them on the internet. A little epoxy glue on your hood and voila', you've got an MB.

This reminds me of the corolla that I used to see often (it's been gone now a few years) where the owner debadged it put on the tree pointed star on the trunk and portholes on the front sides. I called it the Buyota Benz.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

Happy Thanksgiving to all for tomorrow for most. And for a belated Thanksgiving for our Canadian friends who celebrate second week of October.

I've been prepping the turkey breast putting it into the roasting bag and peeling and slicing potatoes for the
mashed potatoes for our small celebration with the kids this evening. This year they are going to the inlaws for Thanksgiving Day with DIL's parents and two siblings--Michigan fans.

Go Bucks.

Ever try keeping the skin on the potato when you mash it? It's pretty good.

Speaking of bucks I almost hit one the other day going to work. 5:30 in the morning I am going down a dark road along the forest preserve and one pretty good sized one came out of nowhere.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@imidazol97 said:

Those MB just don't hold up well in accidents. I like the way the 3-pointed star is still proudly

standing above the wreck.

Of course, there's more to the story. The driver was on 4 rims before this accident occured. The

car didn't even need tires. Driver was being pursued by officers, driving a friend's Mercedes!!!

She is shown as from California: he lives near Dayton.

Where can I get a star like that and don’t tell me to buy a Benz? I want something I can trust that won’t be overly expensive when something breaks when it’s out of warranty.

jmonroe

You can buy one on Amazon for $40, you cheap............




If you go to the junk yard I bet you could get one real cheap.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

When I checked the trade-in value of the C250 2 years ago it was worth $11000. I wonder what I could get for it today (34000 miles)?
Then again, what would I pay for an inflated price on a newer one.

(I removed the guy in the striped T-shirt)

You can get a good idea at Carmax's website, they offer an instant quote online.

snakeweasel

Well it's 6:20 Thanksgiving Day and I recently got Frankenturkey (she who must be obeyed wanted the biggest turkey we could find, I think it's the size of Pluto) into the oven. Now to wait the 5.5+ hours for it to cook enough to start checking the internal temp. Now all that's ahead of me is annoying you guys and some light house cleaning while the wife sleeps in (lucky her).

Anyways;

snakeweasel

Oh and to our Canadian friends, happy Thursday.

imidazol97

jmonroe1 said:

@imidazol97 said:
@OLDFARMER50
https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/reports-pursuit-ends-crash-involving-sheriffs-office-cruiser-dayton/23CT5OL6WVAQLMN6FO3G6NVXEI/
https://www.whio.com/news/crime-and-law/reports-pursuit-ends-crash-involving-sheriffs-office-cruiser-dayton/23CT5OL6WVAQLMN6FO3G6NVXEI/

I see I spoke wrong. I thought she was from California. Nope. North Dakota. Close.

How many years did it take until you passed 5th grade geography?

jmonroe

Three.

I had to learn to read first.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

When I checked the trade-in value of the C250 2 years ago it was worth $11000. I wonder what I could get for it today (34000 miles)?
Then again, what would I pay for an inflated price on a newer one.

(I removed the guy in the striped T-shirt)

You can get a good idea at Carmax's website, they offer an instant quote online.

That was a great idea! 2 years ago the book value on the C250 was $11000.
I went on Carmax and got this offer:
Your CarMax Offer
$17,200*
Valid until December 2, 2021
Year, Make, Model
2014 Mercedes-Benz C250
Mileage34,500
I hope I don't keep getting emails....I had to sign up.
MrsD100 says we should sell them the C250 in April when we are leaving, and then buy a new car when we come back in November 2022, when prices come down. Hmmmmmm, something to think about.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

Oh and to our Canadian friends, happy Thursday.

Actually, for this Canadian it is Happy Thanksgiving 2! We had ours in Canada in October, and now we will celebrate with our U.S. friends today.

sda

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

When I checked the trade-in value of the C250 2 years ago it was worth $11000. I wonder what I could get for it today (34000 miles)?
Then again, what would I pay for an inflated price on a newer one.

(I removed the guy in the striped T-shirt)

You can get a good idea at Carmax's website, they offer an instant quote online.

That was a great idea! 2 years ago the book value on the C250 was $11000.
I went on Carmax and got this offer:
Your CarMax Offer
$17,200*
Valid until December 2, 2021
Year, Make, Model
2014 Mercedes-Benz C250
Mileage34,500
I hope I don't keep getting emails....I had to sign up.
MrsD100 says we should sell them the C250 in April when we are leaving, and then buy a new car when we come back in November 2022, when prices come down. Hmmmmmm, something to think about.

Or perhaps sell the C250 in April. In November make one last drive down to FL with either the E or GLK with the intent of leaving it in FL. Upon your return north, buy something new for your permanent residence.

imidazol97

Football and Thanksgiving Day have a long association.

Quiz for the football fans here:
When did the playing of football on Thanksgiving Day (US) beging?

imidazol97

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

Oh and to our Canadian friends, happy Thursday.

Actually, for this Canadian it is Happy Thanksgiving 2! We had ours in Canada in October, and now we will celebrate with our U.S. friends today.

"Happy Thanksgiving 2"

Sounds like a movie title. LOL

driver100

snakeweasel said:

Well it's 6:20 Thanksgiving Day and I recently got Frankenturkey

On the news this morning they said tomorrow is "Brown Friday". Anyone know why? No, that's not it.
Tomorrow is the busiest day for plumbers because of all the turkey grease that goes down the sink. Grease should be put in an empty can, put in the fridge to solidify, and then get thrown out when hard. Grease will build up over time if it goes down the drain. Happy Turkey Day, and Happy Brown Friday!

graphicguy

Interesting tidbit on flipping cars right now. About a month after I flipped my Stinger to CarMax, I got a call from one of their F&I people asking (politely) if I could come in, or if someone from their office could come to me. They made an error on the paperwork and needed me to re-sign some of it.

First thing I thought of was…”here it comes….they over valued the Stinger and want their money back”. Nope!

It was a simple transposition of numbers error caused by the person who put the paperwork together. I didn’t catch it. I had the check, with the correct agreed upon buy number. The rest, I didn’t look at all the closely.

Anyway, no harm-no foul. While I was talking to their F&I manager to resign the paperwork, one of the sales people comes into his office, as he was acting Sales Manager that day, too. Sales person had a person who wanted to trade in a leased Honda Accord for a BMW they had sitting on the sales floor and they couldn’t get a “buy offer” on the Accord from their computer program. F&I guy said the reason was Honda was disallowing early lease buy outs. First I had heard of that.

When I questioned him about it, he said most of the manufacturers financing arms were doing that recently because of the number of flippers eating into their new sales. I haven’t leased in a very long time, but I don’t remember that being part of the Ts and Cs. F&I mgr said it was the cheapest way to get into a new car, and flip it.

Made no sense to me. New cars are constrained by the chip shortage. Why would the manufacturers or dealers care whether someone’s flipping their cars or not?

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

When I checked the trade-in value of the C250 2 years ago it was worth $11000. I wonder what I could get for it today (34000 miles)?
Then again, what would I pay for an inflated price on a newer one.

(I removed the guy in the striped T-shirt)

You can get a good idea at Carmax's website, they offer an instant quote online.

That was a great idea! 2 years ago the book value on the C250 was $11000.
I went on Carmax and got this offer:
Your CarMax Offer
$17,200*
Valid until December 2, 2021
Year, Make, Model
2014 Mercedes-Benz C250
Mileage34,500
I hope I don't keep getting emails....I had to sign up.
MrsD100 says we should sell them the C250 in April when we are leaving, and then buy a new car when we come back in November 2022, when prices come down. Hmmmmmm, something to think about.

I did the CarMax thing on the BMW a few months ago and got $20k (I paid $25K OTD two years earlier) and I also went through Edmunds where the top offer was around $18K. I got a lot of texts through Edmunds asking me to come in. Tip if you need to give a phone number download google voice and get one of those numbers that you can dump later on.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

Football and Thanksgiving Day have a long association.

Quiz for the football fans here:
When did the playing of football on Thanksgiving Day (US) beging?

Just a wild guess, on Thanksgiving Day?

stickguy

my guess, they smelled money being made but not by them, and wanted to grab it for themselves. Otherwise it should not matter. I think they logic they use is it keeps their dealers from getting returns to sell, but if these are early buyouts, they aren't units coming back not anyway.

of course, for straight buyouts, if the branded dealer will match carvana/carmax no issue, because they can buy it from the finance company at your actual buyout price. But I assume they aren't.

interesting case though, since I assume most people are just selling, not trading in.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

Oh and to our Canadian friends, happy Thursday.

Actually, for this Canadian it is Happy Thanksgiving 2! We had ours in Canada in October, and now we will celebrate with our U.S. friends today.

Double dipping eh?

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

Oh and to our Canadian friends, happy Thursday.

Actually, for this Canadian it is Happy Thanksgiving 2! We had ours in Canada in October, and now we will celebrate with our U.S. friends today.

"Happy Thanksgiving 2"

Sounds like a movie title. LOL

It does, doesn't it. Time for some fun;

Action Film: "Happy Thanksgiving 2: Drivers revenge"

Comedy Film: "Happy Thanksgiving 2: Drivers Big Adventure"

Horror Film: "Happy Thanksgiving 2: Frankenturkey"

Mystery Film: "Happy Thanksgiving 2: Death takes a holiday:

Science Fiction: "Happy Thanksgiving 2: Warp Speed"

My Movie: "Happy Thanksgiving Too Colon Movie for Theaters"

Man I'm bored just babysitting the turkey.

driver100

@graphicguy
Dealers like lease car returns.....it is like having a constant repeat customer coming back...businesses love that. If the car gets sold off the chain has been broken.
Manufacturers are trying to control the service business, making the cars so you almost have to take them to the dealer (MB, BMW are good at this), now they want to control the lease returns.

imidazol97

The football question:

The Early Days

On Nov. 6, 1869, the first American football game was played between Rutgers and Princeton. The second was a rematch between the two schools a week later. The third, though, was the birth of a tradition that is nearly 150 years old. On Thanksgiving of that same year, a football game took place at noon between the Young America Cricket Club and the Germantown Cricket Club in Philadelphia.

The first Thanksgiving rivalry game was Princeton vs. Yale, which was played on the holiday from 1876 to 1881, when the game was changed to become a "national" championship game. Considering the 1879, 1880 and 1881 Princeton-Yale games had all been for the same national championship -- and all ended in scoreless ties -- there really wasn't much change.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

The football question:

The Early Days

On Nov. 6, 1869, the first American football game was played between Rutgers and Princeton. The second was a rematch between the two schools a week later. The third, though, was the birth of a tradition that is nearly 150 years old. On Thanksgiving of that same year, a football game took place at noon between the Young America Cricket Club and the Germantown Cricket Club in Philadelphia.

The first Thanksgiving rivalry game was Princeton vs. Yale, which was played on the holiday from 1876 to 1881, when the game was changed to become a "national" championship game. Considering the 1879, 1880 and 1881 Princeton-Yale games had all been for the same national championship -- and all ended in scoreless ties -- there really wasn't much change.

A couple of questions come up with this. First is why are Cricket clubs playing football? Shouldn't they be playing Cricket?

Secondly those first football games were likely closer to rugby then to todays football. I know that those two Princeton-Yale games that ended in scoreless ties were because there were no rules regarding when the team with possession of the ball giving it up. Plus the scoring was way different, no passing the ball, the ball was kicked back by foot and not snapped back by hand. Football evolved from rugby making major changes over a few decades, when does it change from a form of rugby to a distinct sport?