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isellhondas

That is a perfect example of the kind of car that would be totaled if anything major should go wrong!

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

Maybe the jury should be a computer...take all the emotions out of it.

Sometimes I see a suspects picture in the newspaper and I can tell he's guilty just by looking at him.....

"Looks" are deceiving, which I am sure you are aware.possible to "tell or determine", without cross-examination and conflicting evidence, if a person is being truthful.

How you can say you can tell a person's guilt by just looking at a picture is either a highly evolved sense of ESP or just plain "hocum"!  I lean toward the latter hypothesis! 

I don't know....sometimes they show a picture of 3 or 4 guys who just escaped from jail and I can tell those guys belong in jail. We need professional jurists like me who have watched Judge Judy and others for years and can figure out the liars and swindlers pretty quickly.

I am just joking around....the fact is as imperfect as our system is there isn't anything better at this time. Better than in some countries where they just throw you off a building if they suspect you of a crime.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

I pulled up next to a Jaguar XJS V12 convertible this morning on the way to work. Nice car 91-96 model. Looked neat with the large trunk lid.

Looked like this:

I like those old Jags........wouldn't want to pay the repair bills though.

berri

Jaguar has put out a lot of beautiful cars over the years, but I'm still an XKE fan - probably has something to do with my age.

andres3

imidazol97 said:

suydam said:

I used to work registering people to vote. So many folks told me they wouldn't register because they didn't want to be called for jury duty. That still amazes me. You'd give up your right to political representation because maybe one or twice in your life you might be inconvenienced?

X2

I am offended but the ridiculous daily "stipend" that doesn't even cover parking downtown in CA.

andres3

dino001 said:

I'm still mystified with American justice system, letting some unqualified people to decide about guilt or innocence of some person. It was perhaps a good idea in 18th and 19th Century in response to real and peceived injustice from King's judges, but not in the modern world it deevolved into selection of those who are easy to manipulate and nothing to do at the same time, the exact opposite from what we want from a juror. If called, I'd serve, but I think it's not a good system. Moreover, as an engineer, I'm most likely to be excused, anyway, by either party. Or perhaps second most, after lawyers. Last thing they want is somebody knowing the law, or knowing how to draw conclusions based on facts, not emotions.

I'll take a jury over a judge when I'm a defendant every time.

driver100

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

I'm still mystified with American justice system, letting some unqualified people to decide about guilt or innocence of some person. It was perhaps a good idea in 18th and 19th Century in response to real and peceived injustice from King's judges, but not in the modern world it deevolved into selection of those who are easy to manipulate and nothing to do at the same time, the exact opposite from what we want from a juror. If called, I'd serve, but I think it's not a good system. Moreover, as an engineer, I'm most likely to be excused, anyway, by either party. Or perhaps second most, after lawyers. Last thing they want is somebody knowing the law, or knowing how to draw conclusions based on facts, not emotions.

I'll take a jury over a judge when I'm a defendant every time.

How many times have you appeared?

imidazol97

dino001 said:

I'm still mystified with American justice system, letting some unqualified people to decide about guilt or innocence of some person. It was perhaps a good idea in 18th and 19th Century in response to real and peceived injustice from King's judges, but not in the modern world it deevolved into selection of those who are easy to manipulate and nothing to do at the same time.

I would prefer having people like myself determine guilt or innocence. Peers. If it involves something requiring mental abilities above the nonlegal-minded folks, then a 3-judge panel seems to handle the fine details in intricate cases for some folks.

cdnpinhead

oldfarmer50 said:

Outside the courtroom the defendants buddies were laughing and high fiving each other in disbelief.

The O.J. verdict soured me on the system forever.

That said, the Las Vegas thing helped. Perhaps these things have a way of working out over the long haul.

abacomike

cdnpinhead said:

Outside the courtroom the defendants buddies were laughing and high fiving each other in disbelief.

The O.J. verdict soured me on the system forever. That said, the Las Vegas thing helped. Perhaps these things have a way of working out over the long haul.

What goes around comes around - there is a higher power of justice!

isellhondas

Just a total idiot to pull what he did after getting away with murder!

explorerx4

@Driver100,
Good thing Oldfarner50 said something about you left eye.
Here is a picture of the rest of the MKC.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@Driver100,
Good thing Oldfarner50 said something about you left eye.
Here is a picture of the rest of the MKC.

I like those MKCs....I think they are a good size for an SUV and the higher seating along with ease of getting in and out are big advantages. With a Lincoln you are getting a Premium car with lots of extras.

Those tires look pretty low profile, probably not the best for snow. If I remember correctly Explorer, you have other options if it snows.

We found that we could get through light snowfalls, about 2 or 3 inched with AWD.

driver100

Speaking about Snowtires I was talking to some Snowbirds who are from the Province of Quebec Usually, Quebecers stay on the East side of Florida, but these people were on the West side.

Anyway, they have a law in Quebec that you have to have Studs on your car during the winters....they tend to get a fair amount of ice and snow in Quebec. So they drove their car to Florida, about 1800 miles, with studs because it would be illegal to drive there to get to the border without them.

Can you imagine what those do to the highways and the wear and tear on those tires, all just so they can get to the border.

driver100

Explorer, maybe one day you can take a picture of the whole car!

driver100

Ab and I were asked if there was a plan in Canada for a guaranteed minimum income. Apparently Ontario wants to try it in one town to see how it would work, and the federal government is discussing it.

This took me by surprise....since we aren't supposed to get political here I won't comment...just stating the facts.

stever

driver100 said:

Anyway, they have a law in Quebec that you have to have Studs on your car during the winters....they tend to get a fair amount of ice and snow in Quebec. So they drove their car to Florida, about 1800 miles, with studs because it would be illegal to drive there to get to the border without them.

Can you imagine what those do to the highways and the wear and tear on those tires, all just so they can get to the border.

Man, even when I was glad I was driving on studs, I didn't like them. No way could I tolerate the drone going all the way to Florida. Probably not legal in a lot of states they drove through either.

explorerx4

@driver100,
I was just piling on Oldfarmer50's joke.
Glad you got it.

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

cdnpinhead said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Outside the courtroom the defendants buddies were laughing and high fiving each other in disbelief.

The O.J. verdict soured me on the system forever.

That said, the Las Vegas thing helped. Perhaps these things have a way of working out over the long haul.

What goes around comes around - there is a higher power of justice!

That's true--it's called Natural Selection!

berri

Now c'mon guys, OJ graduated from one of those prestige universities, maybe USC???

Mr_Shiftright

You don't go to court for "justice"---big mistake. You go to outmaneuver the other guy. And sometimes the guilty go free and the innocent are punished. It's imperfect at best but beats summary execution against a wall in the dark of night.

ab348

driver100 said:

Ab and I were asked if there was a plan in Canada for a guaranteed minimum income. Apparently Ontario wants to try it in one town to see how it would work, and the federal government is discussing it.

This took me by surprise....since we aren't supposed to get political here I won't comment...just stating the facts.

I really need to move to Arizona or somewhere similar, if only I could get health care that wouldn't bankrupt me.

stickguy

heck, at this pace, there may be a massive pile up of Canadians coming south and Americans heading north!

abacomike

stickguy said:

heck, at this pace, there may be a massive pile up of Canadians coming south and Americans heading north!

I look at this all very simplistically - I'm turning 72 this October and it's already costing me an arm and a leg for my healthcare.  As for what's happening here in the US, thank goodness I won't be alive by the time this country goes the way of the ancient Greeks and Romans - I just feel sorry for my kids and grandkids. 

carnaught

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Ab and I were asked if there was a plan in Canada for a guaranteed minimum income. Apparently Ontario wants to try it in one town to see how it would work, and the federal government is discussing it.

This took me by surprise....since we aren't supposed to get political here I won't comment...just stating the facts.

I really need to move to Arizona or somewhere similar, if only I could get health care that wouldn't bankrupt me.

You may not have Obamacare up north, but you're still paying it to cover your tab. It's called higher taxes .

dino001

imidazol97 said:

dino001 said:

I'm still mystified with American justice system, letting some unqualified people to decide about guilt or innocence of some person. It was perhaps a good idea in 18th and 19th Century in response to real and peceived injustice from King's judges, but not in the modern world it deevolved into selection of those who are easy to manipulate and nothing to do at the same time.

I would prefer having people like myself determine guilt or innocence. Peers. If it involves something requiring mental abilities above the nonlegal-minded folks, then a 3-judge panel seems to handle the fine details in intricate cases for some folks.

You'd be surprised who is legally considered your "peer".

stickguy

Mike, I wouldn't worry about them. Yeah, it might be a turning point coming, but that has happened many times before, and usually after the cataclysm, the country ends up better overall. Just don't want to end up in one of the groups that gets left out!

recently I got hooked on reading internet stuff on interesting WWII facts. Man, the world was a mess come 1945. Some of those countries (like Poland) barely existed. But still survived.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I pulled up next to a Jaguar XJS V12 convertible this morning on the way to work. Nice car 91-96 model. Looked neat with the large trunk lid.

Looked like this:

I like those old Jags........wouldn't want to pay the repair bills though.

That's what impressed me. The car looked really nice and considering their reputation it must have been tough it keep it that way.

imidazol97

Hope everyone had a great Pi Day and didn't do anything
"irrational."

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@Driver100,
Good thing Oldfarner50 said something about you left eye.
Here is a picture of the rest of the MKC.

How come I get blamed for all the snarky comments? All I said was how are you going to keep it clean since CT uses almost as much salt as NY. In winter here a black car has about a 10 minute span before the road crud makes it filthy.

It does look nice in that picture though.

imidazol97

We had a little excitement in the area with tornado warnings and actual tornadoes hitting the ground. But not close to the Imidazol Estate. A few barns suffered damage some miles away and a couple homes lost their roof. But it's exciting hearing the sirens go off. But nothing like Mike's experience with a tornado in his backyard.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

You don't go to court for "justice"---big mistake. You go to outmaneuver the other guy. And sometimes the guilty go free and the innocent are punished. It's imperfect at best but beats summary execution against a wall in the dark of night.

Besides, it gives me a chance to watch Judge Judy and Hot Bench

But, I like your analysis Mr S.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@Driver100,
Good thing Oldfarner50 said something about you left eye.
Here is a picture of the rest of the MKC.

How come I get blamed for all the snarky comments? All I said was how are you going to keep it clean since CT uses almost as much salt as NY. In winter here a black car has about a 10 minute span before the road crud makes it filthy.

It does look nice in that picture though.

I think it was Mike who said it...but, he's not coming forward.

Probably doesn't want to be sued for defamation of character........ :@

nyccarguy

I've got a sort of crazy lease end question for you guys who are in the know:  my wife's cousin was engaged to a woman who one night picked up and left him for someone she met online playing x-box games (I swear I can't make this up).  They were living in Louisiana at the time.  She married this dirt bag who lives in California.  My wife's cousin has done an admirable job picking up the pieces of his life and moving forward.  The 2 nasty parts to this equation are financial of course.  He took out a student loan (well, she took it out but had no job, so he's the guarantor and therefore responsible for it) In her name that she stuck him with.  They also leased 2 cars together.  She took her Civic with her to CA.  Since his name is the primary on the lease, he's still making the payments because she can't & won't.  He doesn't want a lease repo on his credit.  Now he has had limited contact with her.  He's told her numerous times that on this date (it's this month), the car MUST be returned to Honda.  If she wants to buy it out in her own name, she can.  If she wants to lease another car in her name, she can.  If she wants to buy another car in her name, she can.  What happens if she DOES NOT turn the car in?

abacomike

driver100 said:

@Driver100, Good thing Oldfarner50 said something about you left eye. Here is a picture of the rest of the MKC.

How come I get blamed for all the snarky comments? All I said was how are you going to keep it clean since CT uses almost as much salt as NY. In winter here a black car has about a 10 minute span before the road crud makes it filthy. It does look nice in that picture though.

I think it was Mike who said it...but, he's not coming forward. Probably doesn't want to be sued for defamation of character........ :@

I did, I did, I did - b'deeya b'deeya b'deeya that's all folks ! 

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

stickguy said:

heck, at this pace, there may be a massive pile up of Canadians coming south and Americans heading north!

I look at this all very simplistically - I'm turning 72 this October and it's already costing me an arm and a leg for my healthcare.  As for what's happening here in the US, thank goodness I won't be alive by the time this country goes the way of the ancient Greeks and Romans - I just feel sorry for my kids and grandkids. 

No sweat Mike--the Roman Empire didn't collapse, it just moved. The West of the US will become the new empire, you watch (well we'll all probably be dead by then, but watch anyway!)

abacomike

nyccarguy said:

I've got a sort of crazy lease end question for you guys who are in the know:  my wife's cousin was engaged to a woman who one night picked up and left him for someone she met online playing x-box games (I swear I can't make this up).  They were living in Louisiana at the time.  She married this dirt bag who lives in California.  My wife's cousin has done an admirable job picking up the pieces of his life and moving forward.  The 2 nasty parts to this equation are financial of course.  He took out a student loan (well, she took it out but had no job, so he's the guarantor and therefore responsible for it) In her name that she stuck him with.  They also leased 2 cars together.  She took her Civic with her to CA.  Since his name is the primary on the lease, he's still making the payments because she can't & won't.  He doesn't want a lease repo on his credit.  Now he has had limited contact with her.  He's told her numerous times that on this date (it's this month), the car MUST be returned to Honda.  If she wants to buy it out in her own name, she can.  If she wants to lease another car in her name, she can.  If she wants to buy another car in her name, she can.  What happens if she DOES NOT turn the car in?

He needs a lawyer - and fast!  If the lease is in his name he is the responsible party.  If her name is also on the lease, then she has a right to drive the car and even move to another State.  

A lawyer would scare the excrement out of her but he needs legal advice and representation - and as fast as possible! 

stickguy

Bradd, what a mess. I always wondered about people that weren't married that got that entwined financially (buying houses together, etc.). This woman though, sounds like a contender for dirtbag of the decade. What a horrid selfish person. Despicable.

my guess, she just keeps driving. And that Honda comes after him and he gets screwed. probably needs a lawyer, and something filed to cover his butt. heck, maybe if she misses the day, file a theft report with the police in CA, since technically at that point she would have stolen the car (IMO!).

driver100

nyc....met online playing x Box games! I am sure others are more knowledgeable about this but I think if his name is the one on the lease then it is like he took out the loan on the car, or it's as if he cosigned a loan....his name is on the documents so it is his responsibility (probably the same with the student loan).

If she doesn't bring the car back and he has given her fair warning....the car may be stolen. The lawyers will have a good time with this one. Unfortunately, your wife's cousin is an innocent victim.

nyccarguy

Oh and I forgot to mention, he lives in Ohio now.  Where does he contact an attorney?  CA, OH, or LA?

Mr_Shiftright

I would think the state that the car was leased in originally.

stickguy

wonder if he can just hire a repo man in CA? Take his own car off the street and back to the dealer. Probably cheaper than hiring a lawyer!

Mr_Shiftright

If it were me, I'd rent a flatbed and just snatch it. You can't be convicted of stealing your own car, can you? Seems to be whoever is paying the bills has got the strongest case.

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@Driver100,
Good thing Oldfarner50 said something about you left eye.
Here is a picture of the rest of the MKC.

How come I get blamed for all the snarky comments? All I said was how are you going to keep it clean since CT uses almost as much salt as NY. In winter here a black car has about a 10 minute span before the road crud makes it filthy.

It does look nice in that picture though.

I think it was Mike who said it...but, he's not coming forward.

Probably doesn't want to be sued for defamation of character........ :@

I did, I did, I did - b'deeya b'deeya b'deeya that's all folks ! 

My lawyers will be in touch!

stever

Mr_Shiftright said:

If it were me, I'd rent a flatbed and just snatch it. You can't be convicted of stealing your own car, can you? Seems to be whoever is paying the bills has got the strongest case.

What about the suitcase in the back with the cash and jewels?

driver100

Repo man and flatbed are great ideas. I am coming to you guys if I have a problem like that one.

abacomike

nyccarguy said:

Oh and I forgot to mention, he lives in Ohio now.  Where does he contact an attorney?  CA, OH, or LA?

After consulting an attorney in Ohio, the attorney will probably recommend an attorney in the State that best supports his case.  My guess would be Ohio because it is a more conservative jurisdiction.

Mr_Shiftright

Might be a good idea, but he'd have to prove that Ohio has jurisdiction in California for this case--that's why I was suggesting Louisiana, where the lease commenced. Since she took the car from Louisiana, I would hope that jurisdiction could be established. Actually she'd have to prove that Louisiana DOESN'T have jurisdiction, which means she'll have to fly to LA to answer the summons (should he file a law suit). This is called, I believe, "home-stating" someone you really don't like, by suing them from out of state rather than in their home state. So they either come to Louisiana to challenge the jurisdiction, or they default on the suit. (CAVEAT--I am not an attorney---just relating some of my own personal experiences).

nyccarguy

I'm going to suggest he hire a repo man if she doesn't turn the car in.  Probably the most economical way to go.

ab348

carnaught said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Ab and I were asked if there was a plan in Canada for a guaranteed minimum income. Apparently Ontario wants to try it in one town to see how it would work, and the federal government is discussing it.

This took me by surprise....since we aren't supposed to get political here I won't comment...just stating the facts.

I really need to move to Arizona or somewhere similar, if only I could get health care that wouldn't bankrupt me.

You may not have Obamacare up north, but you're still paying it to cover your tab. It's called higher taxes .

I'm in the middle of doing my taxes now, so you don't need to remind me of that!