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imidazol97

driver100 said:

I used to like a program called Autoweek I think it was called, on PBS. Kind of got tired of it when they were testing cars I could never hope to own. I'd rather watch reviews of the "real" cars that I may actually be interested in buying one day.

Sounds like Motorweek.

Occasionally they do a real world comparison of similar cars but in reality it's done by Autotalk or Cartalk or some other group and Motorweek piggybacks, just like the local TV makes a national report done elsewhere look like it's local by insert standup clips of the local TV "talent."

Even the midsize cars comparison was flawed because they choose price cutoffs that hurt one car with more features on a car slightly above the cutoff.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

bwia said:

Just a thought

I have been perusing my Auto magazines and most of the pages are devoted to sedans and sports cars. Since SUVs and trucks have surpassed sedan sales shouldn't the magazines devote more ink to SUVs? Even in this thread little attention is paid to SUVs except for the occasional Ford Escape comment. What's with that. Are we stuck in the past?

Yeah, and while we are on it those truck magazines are mostly devoted to trucks and SUV's and no cars. What gives?



It's just that most auto magazines are tailored to cars, there are plenty of truck magazines that are tailored to trucks. Just different magazines targeting different audiences.

I'd like to see a magazine devoted to reviews of used cars. How they compare to new cars in terms of tech. How well or poorly they age. Common trouble spots etc.

It would be valuable if you could read a review of 10 year old cars and see that this one blew head gaskets at 70,000 miles or the air shocks on that one were only good for two years. You know practical things. Since many more used cars are sold than new it might find a large audience.

sda

driver100 said:

stever said:

driver100 said:

Just something to think about....people who drive sedans and sports cars are probably more apt to buy a magazine about their cars than SUV drivers. Car drivers are their real target audience, a lot SUVs are driven for utilitarian reasons, and a lot of people buy them because they feel safer in them....they don't buy them for the joy of driving so much.

If people were having fun driving their cars they wouldn't be texting while driving or praying over the blue glow of their device with their head bend over the wheel at stop lights.

Car enthusiasts are a pretty small subset of the driving population. Everyone else can't wait for self-driving cars.

I have no desire to talk on the phone, text, look at emails, read, shave, eat, do my nails, play solitaire or bridge etc. while driving. I really like to know what is going on and I like to appreciate the engineering and design of the car I am driving......but, I am probably in the minority.

Well said. I feel the same. Enjoy your trip.

graphicguy

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

cdnpinhead

oldfarmer50 said:

It would be valuable if you could read a review of 10 year old cars and see that this one blew head gaskets at 70,000 miles or the air shocks on that one were only good for two years. You know practical things. Since many more used cars are sold than new it might find a large audience.

Interesting idea, but I'm not sure how much advertising revenue such a publication would bring in. The dealers, service shops and other businesses related to the cars most people drive (that'd be used ones, often many years old) are mostly local.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

oldfarmer50 said:

It would be valuable if you could read a review of 10 year old cars and see that this one blew head gaskets at 70,000 miles or the air shocks on that one were only good for two years. You know practical things. Since many more used cars are sold than new it might find a large audience.

Interesting idea, but I'm not sure how much advertising revenue such a publication would bring in. The dealers, service shops and other businesses related to the cars most people drive (that'd be used ones, often many years old) are mostly local.

Advertisers could be; Bondo, radiator patch up materials, Maaco, car wax, 40 w - 50 grade Motor Oil, STP Gas Treatment, Duct Tape, Safelite Auto Glass, National Auto Towing Company, Automobile Club.....many more!

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

stever said:

houdini1 said:

"Accidents" happen all the time, but they are usually caused by someone's carelessness.

That's no longer the accepted terminology. (legalexaminer.com)

It's now crash.

(and the NHTSA has been trying to change the lingo since 1997 )

If it's not an "accident" is it then a "purpose"?

The vast majority if accidents are not accidents at all. They should be called Negligents. That would be the right word; too bad our society is so soft on reckless careless dangerous behavior.

An accident is "mechanical failure." A negligent is "driver error."

Actually the vast majority of accidents are truly accidents. By definition an accident is an event that is not planned or intended.

I think it could be argued successfully that a reasonably competent and responsible person that drives should know that texting on their cell phone while driving will lead to an accident, whether you plan or intend it to or not. Your definition is a cop out.

The drunk driver is negligent. They didn't intend to kill someone, they just chose to drive drunk and hoped they'd get away with it. Laws are being changed in some areas to hold people more accountable for their own actions that reasonably lead to the end result.

Please reread the post you are responding to.

Your premise and argument are rejected. Most so-called accidents were absolutely intended and planned. You play with matches you'll get burned. Deep down those that cause accidents know it, planned it, and intended it. It was just a matter of time before it happened. Continued bad behavior will lead to a collision.\

A true "accident" is rare indeed.

nelsonf

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Looks good!

thebean

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint. https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Those are motorcycles, right? Just when I thought I knew most cars you throw a curve.

Yes sir these are motorcycles, gotta keep you guys on your toes.

The two dealerships we went to were both family owned. At the Honda dealer we were helped by the owner, nice lady was very helpful in answering all our questions and took the time to work out an out the door price and some options and what we could expect in the way of a payment based on our stated credit score.

The HD dealership we were helped by the sales manager (all the salesmen were busy) who helped us decide which bike we wanted and if we wanted new or used (I have an issue with used Harleys since they tend to be heavily modified by their owners) and went over options, out the door price and what we could expect in the way of monthly payments.

Both were a pleasure to work with.

If I had the extra dollars I'd sell my Speed Triple and get a new Street Twin- I love it:

roadburner

bwia said:

Just a thought

I have been perusing my Auto magazines and most of the pages are devoted to sedans and sports cars. Since SUVs and trucks have surpassed sedan sales shouldn't the magazines devote more ink to SUVs? Even in this thread little attention is paid to SUVs except for the occasional Ford Escape comment. What's with that. Are we stuck in the past?

I buy truck/SUV magazines if I want to read about them. Most car magazines cover trucks and SUVs too much as it is.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

I'd like to see a magazine devoted to reviews of used cars. How they compare to new cars in terms of tech. How well or poorly they age. Common trouble spots etc.

It would be valuable if you could read a review of 10 year old cars and see that this one blew head gaskets at 70,000 miles or the air shocks on that one were only good for two years. You know practical things. Since many more used cars are sold than new it might find a large audience.

The Brit magazine Modern Classics concentrates on cars that are less than 25 years old, but they don't feature any mundane four wheeled appliances.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

That looks great GG. You got a terrific deal on a pretty rare car.

driver100

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Cobra looks great....monkey is cute. GG, I think we got your whole photo album there, not sure you wanted to send it all! (I stopped when I realized what was happening)

oldfarmer50

Here's a little aside:

I had a movie crew in my back yard today. My older son who is in video/film arts asked if his movie scenes could be filmed in our fields. Some sort of rural back drop. Whole flock of people including a few scantily clad actresses running around covered in blood and swinging battle axes. Very strange.

To keep this car related there were many cars parked in my driveway.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

That looks great GG. You got a terrific deal on a pretty rare car.

Ditto!

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a little aside:

I had a movie crew in my back yard today. My older son who is in video/film arts asked if his movie scenes could be filmed in our fields. Some sort of rural back drop. Whole flock of people including a few scantily clad actresses running around covered in blood and swinging battle axes. Very strange.

To keep this car related there were many cars parked in my driveway.

No pics?

roadburner

I had a lease turn-in that was the polar opposite of the one I posted about earlier. This car was absolutely pristine- I mean you could put it on sale at the CPO lot with no detailing at all. The only flaw was the condition of the back tires- they were almost down to the wear bars. I hated to ding the clients for $600 in light of the fact that they were repeat customers and also because the car was otherwise immaculate. I talked to the new car manager and he also thought I should give them a pass on the rear rubber. So I did.
I later found out that the used car manager was unhappy about it but so it goes...

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a little aside:

I had a movie crew in my back yard today. My older son who is in video/film arts asked if his movie scenes could be filmed in our fields. Some sort of rural back drop. Whole flock of people including a few scantily clad actresses running around covered in blood and swinging battle axes. Very strange.

To keep this car related there were many cars parked in my driveway.

No pics?

Nah, the cars weren't that special.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a little aside:

I had a movie crew in my back yard today. My older son who is in video/film arts asked if his movie scenes could be filmed in our fields. Some sort of rural back drop. Whole flock of people including a few scantily clad actresses running around covered in blood and swinging battle axes. Very strange.

To keep this car related there were many cars parked in my driveway.

No pics?

Nah, the cars weren't that special.

We don't care about the cars!

driver100

Couldn't they give you a bit part.....like make you the crazy farmer guy with an ax?

nelsonf

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Here's a little aside:

I had a movie crew in my back yard today. My older son who is in video/film arts asked if his movie scenes could be filmed in our fields. Some sort of rural back drop. Whole flock of people including a few scantily clad actresses running around covered in blood and swinging battle axes. Very strange.

To keep this car related there were many cars parked in my driveway.

No pics?

Nah, the cars weren't that special.

We don't care about the cars!

What driver said!

qbrozen

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint. https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Impressive shine

jmonroe

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Looks good for new paint too. Nice work.

jmonroe

bwia

roadburner said:

I had a lease turn-in that was the polar opposite of the one I posted about earlier. This car was absolutely pristine- I mean you could put it on sale at the CPO lot with no detailing at all. The only flaw was the condition of the back tires- they were almost down to the wear bars. I hated to ding the clients for $600 in light of the fact that they were repeat customers and also because the car was otherwise immaculate. I talked to the new car manager and he also thought I should give them a pass on the rear rubber. So I did. I later found out that the used car manager was unhappy about it but so it goes...

Good for you althouh this might put you in the dog house. what I don'tlike about leasing is The lessee should not be nickeled and dimed if the vehicle is in good condition. How can the lessor expect brand new tires after the vehicle was driven x number of miles. It would have been unconscionable to charge the guy $600 extra. 

roadburner

bwia said:

roadburner said:

I had a lease turn-in that was the polar opposite of the one I posted about earlier. This car was absolutely pristine- I mean you could put it on sale at the CPO lot with no detailing at all. The only flaw was the condition of the back tires- they were almost down to the wear bars. I hated to ding the clients for $600 in light of the fact that they were repeat customers and also because the car was otherwise immaculate. I talked to the new car manager and he also thought I should give them a pass on the rear rubber. So I did.
I later found out that the used car manager was unhappy about it but so it goes...

Good for you althouh this might put you in the dog house. what I don'tlike about leasing is The lessee should not be nickeled and dimed if the vehicle is in good condition. How can the lessor expect brand new tires after the vehicle was driven x number of miles. It would have been unconscionable to charge the guy $600 extra. 

Thanks! What I didn't mention was that even if the back tires were barely within the guidelines the tires would still have to be replaced in order to sell the car as a CPO. The only difference is that now the UCM has to pay for the tires out of his budget. I think that it's just crazy to antagonize loyal and conscientious customers just to add a few dollars to the profit margin on one used car.

stever

Interesting how new sales, used sales, service and parts often to seem to operate as different little fiefdoms at many dealerships.

andres3

At Kia they tried to sell an add-on fee in finance to not have to worry about turn-in surcharges. Sounded like I'd have to read a lot of fine print (and I was in a hurry), so without even asking the cost I just said I'll take my chances as I tend to keep my cars in good condition.

driver100

stever said:

Interesting how new sales, used sales, service and parts often to seem to operate as different little fiefdoms at many dealerships.

Many companies operate that way, and I am sure it has huge tax and other benefits. One being, if one department is running at a loss you can write them off. If you mix say 3 divisions together and overall you have a profit, you would probably pay more in taxes....like combined income for couples.

driver100

Someone sent me this video of guys who love old washing machines from the 50s and 60s, some even older. I was a little skeptical about watching it, about 4 minutes long, but, it is kind of cute how these guys get together to try out some old washing machines......they talk about them as if they were at a Cruise Night Car Show!

Guys get together to check out old washing machines

driver100

roadburner said:

The only flaw was the condition of the back tires- they were almost down to the wear bars. I hated to ding the clients for $600 in light of the fact that they were repeat customers and also because the car was otherwise immaculate. I talked to the new car manager and he also thought I should give them a pass on the rear rubber. So I did.
I later found out that the used car manager was unhappy about it but so it goes...

rb, they should make you employee of the week! If the tires were still OK how much would they be worth....maybe $200? So, over that they would jeopardize aggravating an excellent customer? Some people don't get it....once again "false economizing" one of the biggest mistakes made in business today.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

I'd like to see a magazine devoted to reviews of used cars. How they compare to new cars in terms of tech. How well or poorly they age. Common trouble spots etc.

It would be valuable if you could read a review of 10 year old cars and see that this one blew head gaskets at 70,000 miles or the air shocks on that one were only good for two years. You know practical things. Since many more used cars are sold than new it might find a large audience.

I would think that the number of variables would make it very hard to do. Unless you examine a lot of each model/year combination and knew the history of each car you won't get a good picture of the car. How hard was it driven, how well was it maintained, what environment was it kept in and other factors will determine how that particular review will go.

Then there is the issue that some things, like how well they aged, is purely subjective.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

stever said:

houdini1 said:

"Accidents" happen all the time, but they are usually caused by someone's carelessness.

That's no longer the accepted terminology. (legalexaminer.com)

It's now crash.

(and the NHTSA has been trying to change the lingo since 1997 )

If it's not an "accident" is it then a "purpose"?

The vast majority if accidents are not accidents at all. They should be called Negligents. That would be the right word; too bad our society is so soft on reckless careless dangerous behavior.

An accident is "mechanical failure." A negligent is "driver error."

Actually the vast majority of accidents are truly accidents. By definition an accident is an event that is not planned or intended.

I think it could be argued successfully that a reasonably competent and responsible person that drives should know that texting on their cell phone while driving will lead to an accident, whether you plan or intend it to or not. Your definition is a cop out.

The drunk driver is negligent. They didn't intend to kill someone, they just chose to drive drunk and hoped they'd get away with it. Laws are being changed in some areas to hold people more accountable for their own actions that reasonably lead to the end result.

Please reread the post you are responding to.

Your premise and argument are rejected. Most so-called accidents were absolutely intended and planned. You play with matches you'll get burned. Deep down those that cause accidents know it, planned it, and intended it. It was just a matter of time before it happened. Continued bad behavior will lead to a collision.\

A true "accident" is rare indeed.

Sorry but your argument is rejected. unless you can provide proof that in most accidents the person at fault planned to and intended to cause the accident then it was a true accident. An accident is an event that is not planned nor intended, the definition does not address cause just intent.

Now if you were driving down the street and said "I am going to rear end that guy in front of me" then you do so then that by definition is not an accident. But if you were driving down the street and were checking out that good looking lady walking down the street and didn't notice the guy in front of you stopped and you hit him that is not intended nor planned so it would be, by definition, and accident. In both cases you are at fault, but the difference is intent.

True accidents happen very, very often.

dino001

driver100 said:

Many companies operate that way, and I am sure it has huge tax and other benefits. One being, if one department is running at a loss you can write them off. If you mix say 3 divisions together and overall you have a profit, you would probably pay more in taxes....like combined income for couples.

Not so sure about tax benefits. If I write $1000 off the taxable income here and pay tax on $1500 there, potential is tax on individuals will be higher. Corporations - only if different pots allow for different amounts to become taxable incomes (say special rates on some activity). More likely benefit is ability to defer taxes or in general move the money around to optimize values quarter to quarter.

One big reason of creating separate cost centers is to motivate larger number if individuals to look after their own fields, as those cost centers would be accountable separately. The big problem is loss of perspective over the entire organization's goals on transactions that involve multiple cost centers. People don't like sharing credit, or taking loss for somebody else's benefit, which is exactly how they'd perceive such situation. There are reports of used car managers using outside services to fix their inventory because their own charge them full retail rathes, which may or may not be nuts, depending how busy those dealers' service departments really are.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

stever said:

Interesting how new sales, used sales, service and parts often to seem to operate as different little fiefdoms at many dealerships.

Many companies operate that way, and I am sure it has huge tax and other benefits. One being, if one department is running at a loss you can write them off. If you mix say 3 divisions together and overall you have a profit, you would probably pay more in taxes....like combined income for couples.

As far as income taxes go unless the three divisions are separate entities (meaning three legally separate companies) they will be all combined in the dealerships taxes as one. However the dealership privately will maintain separate ledgers for each division and will make executive decisions (such as bonuses, raises, budget, personal changes and the like) based on individual division results.

driver100

I think there could be tax and business implications, plus other reasons, too numerous to mention. Lets say a dealer runs 4 different operations, new cars, used cars, body shop and service center. The body shop is losing great amounts of money. You can put the body shop into bankruptcy, not pay suppliers etc., and just close it down, other operations keep going. Sometimes a buyer comes along and just wants to buy one division of your company....much easier to sell that one unit than try to break it up.

I worked for the publishing division of Warner Books. I would try to do a promotion with the record or movie division and the presidents in those companies would treat me like I worked for any other publishing company. No cooperation at all. The benefit in cooperating came if someone wrote a great book, they had instant access to getting it launched as a movie.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Cobra looks great....monkey is cute. GG, I think we got your whole photo album there, not sure you wanted to send it all! (I stopped when I realized what was happening)

Forget that, he posted his license plate. Now obsessed Edmunds posters will be tracking him down and stalking him. Didn't he ever look at a CL ad?

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Cobra looks great....monkey is cute. GG, I think we got your whole photo album there, not sure you wanted to send it all! (I stopped when I realized what was happening)

Forget that, he posted his license plate. Now obsessed Edmunds posters will be tracking him down and stalking him. Didn't he ever look at a CL ad?



Isn't there something about if you post a picture, the bad guys can figure out your location anyway, even without a license plate?

When, and if, I ever get my new car I'll have to drive it out of town and take my pictures there.

graphicguy

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Hmmmm...the pics of the Cobra are mine, but not the other ones. Wonder what went wrong?

graphicguy

This store is across the street from my Acura dealer. Some pretty good prices on some nice cars.....
http://www.hyundainorth.superiorcars.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=Equus&&&&

driver100

graphicguy said:

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Hmmmm...the pics of the Cobra are mine, but not the other ones. Wonder what went wrong?

Somebody had a pretty good vacation!

graphicguy

driver......for you!!!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/09/03/most-lucrative-leftover-cars-deals/88878930/

graphicguy

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Hmmmm...the pics of the Cobra are mine, but not the other ones. Wonder what went wrong?

Somebody had a pretty good vacation!

There's only one other person who had access to that account, and she ain't around any more.

ab348

graphicguy said:

There's only one other person who had access to that account, and she ain't around any more.

I looked at the Cobra pics, but not the others.

Now I gotta go creep around...

jmonroe

driver100 said:

Someone sent me this video of guys who love old washing machines from the 50s and 60s, some even older. I was a little skeptical about watching it, about 4 minutes long, but, it is kind of cute how these guys get together to try out some old washing machines......they talk about them as if they were at a Cruise Night Car Show!

Guys get together to check out old washing machines

Dammit, I made a BIG mistake. After I watched the washing machine video I showed it to Mrs. j. and all she got out of it was, "see, there are guys in this world who know how to use a washing machine. What's your problem" ?

Thanks a lot !!! :@

jmonroe

driver100

graphicguy said:

driver......for you!!!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/09/03/most-lucrative-leftover-cars-deals/88878930/

GG, thanks for thinking about me. The article sounds like it is telling you something smart, but, it is a bit simplistic.
My first impulse was to get a 2016, but, the first problem is finding one the way you want it. Mercedes has figured out how to get rid of the previous years car pretty effectively.....colors left for example aren't the one's I would want. Then save $7k to $10K on the price of a new one. It will lose almost that much at trade in time as the car is already a year old, unless you plan on keeping it for about 6 years or more.

The E400 is a dramatically different car for 2017, so why not have the latest technology and a design that will probably last for 3 or 4 years?

It sounds good in theory, and the writer of the piece makes a few dollars on an article that makes some sense, but, it isn't a slam dunk for everyone.

driver100

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Hmmmm...the pics of the Cobra are mine, but not the other ones. Wonder what went wrong?

Somebody had a pretty good vacation!

There's only one other person who had access to that account, and she ain't around any more.



I guess she had a great vacation at least

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

Someone sent me this video of guys who love old washing machines from the 50s and 60s, some even older. I was a little skeptical about watching it, about 4 minutes long, but, it is kind of cute how these guys get together to try out some old washing machines......they talk about them as if they were at a Cruise Night Car Show!

Guys get together to check out old washing machines

Dammit, I made a BIG mistake. After I watched the washing machine video I showed it to Mrs. j. and all she got out of it was, "see, there are guys in this world who know how to use a washing machine. What's your problem" ?

Thanks a lot !!! :@

jmonroe

RFLOL...........I liked those futuristic black models about 3/4s of the way through...but, that company didn't survive. Not only did those guys know how to use a washing machine, they loved those machines, and they love doing their laundry in them too.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

This store is across the street from my Acura dealer. Some pretty good prices on some nice cars.....
http://www.hyundainorth.superiorcars.com/new-inventory/index.htm?model=Equus&&&&

I notice all dealers are putting a "get our secret price" button in their web sites which promise a different cost if only you go a little further or give up a little personal info. Have you ever gone the extra distance? How much less is their "superior price"?

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

thebean said:

graphicguy said:

Threw on a coat of Zaino on the Cobra yesterday. Looks good for old paint.


https://flic.kr/p/KVBQe6

Very nice!  I love me some Zaino.  Nice monkey pics also following the Cobra pics.

Hmmmm...the pics of the Cobra are mine, but not the other ones. Wonder what went wrong?

Somebody had a pretty good vacation!

There's only one other person who had access to that account, and she ain't around any more.



So that's not you and your ex on that cruise?