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abacomike

@snakeweasel said:
The problem with how people look and react to things is that it is purely subjective and that the way someone reacts to a certain situation can vary from person to person. We are all different with different personalities and can react differently to the same situation depending on that personality and past experiences. That's why it is important to look at the facts and make an objective decision based on facts only.

Exterior facial and body language are essential in fully understanding and interpreting what an individual is trying to communicate. Both auditory and visual cues complete what is being communicated - and what is communicated verbally can be quite different than what is being communicated visually.

My younger grandson has Asbergers Syndrome (going to be 17 next month) and has difficulty picking up visual cues from a person’s body and facial expressions and only picks up auditory cues - but takes the words and sentences literally. That’s because he is missing his ability to pick up body and facial communication cues. Thus he is missing 50% of his ability to fully understand what a person is trying to communicate.

Being able to “read” a person’s body and facial expressions coupled with verbal communication is what allows us to determine the full meaning behind an individual’s communication.

imidazol97

abacomike said:

Exterior facial and body language are essential in fully understanding and interpreting what an individual is trying to communicate. Both auditory and visual cues complete what is being communicated - and what is communicated verbally can be quite different than what is being communicated visually.

My younger grandson has Asbergers Syndrome (going to be 17 next month) and has difficulty picking up visual cues from a person’s body and facial expressions and only picks up auditory cues - but takes the words and sentences literally. That’s because he is missing his ability to pick up body and facial communication cues. Thus he is missing 50% of his ability to fully understand what a person is trying to communicate.

Being able to “read” a person’s body and facial expressions coupled with verbal communication is what allows us to determine the full meaning behind an individual’s communication.

Now that masks are not being required in places, it makes it easier to interact because the lower face shows a lot of folk's thinking, along with the eyes and brows.

fintail

Also moronically being forced to fund their pensions eons in advance doesn't help the bottom line. In an ideal world, retirement would be a level playing field, and everyone would play the 401K/IRA casino, eliminating the drama and the eventual two classes of retirees. Or on the flip side, everyone would be eligible to receive public sector bennies if they contribute like a public sector employee. Yeah, I know, that would be "socialism" or something.

I've always supported and respected USPS - it's usually underappreciated work, and it is of more importance than many give credit. I've also seldom had delivery issues, most recently only because the spoiled kidult who lived in my place before me apparently didn't bother with any change of address or forwarding, so I still constantly get his mail, including his stimmie data and other personal communication.

National postal service is a public good, not meant to be a profit center. That's how it works in developed mature societies, anyway.

abacomike said:

There have been quite a few posts relating to the USPS lately. I have no complaints nor do I have kudos for the system - it is what it is - an over budget, over worked government subsidiary/agency that has suffered greatly as a result of electronic mail and billing/banking. Ads that used to be mailed are now emailed to users and show up on the web when you surf.

My mail carrier delivers our mail after 4:00 PM 6 days a week. So I don’t check my mail until the next morning. 5 out of 6 days a week I have no mail in my box because all bills and statements are electronically sent to me and all my bills and statements are paid electronically. I have a page of “forever” stamps I bought over a year ago and have used just one stamp out of 24 stamps on the page.

Thus, the reason the USPS is losing money every year is due directly to a significant drop in first class mail. I don’t even send birthday or Christmas/Hanukkah cards anymore. I just deposit money into my kids and grandkids checking accounts at my local Wells Fargo bank, which the entire family uses for their checking accounts, and send electronic holiday and birthday cards to them.

So blaming the USPS for slow or lost mail or packages does not solve the problems they face. I don’t see a solution to the issues facing the USPS - they cannot solve their problems but ending Saturday deliveries would certainly help reduce budget deficits - not completely - but every little bit helps. 🤓

imidazol97

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

fintail

I've had no problem giving people the evil eye while wearing a mask. And with a mask, it's easier to mouth things without being seen

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

Exterior facial and body language are essential in fully understanding and interpreting what an individual is trying to communicate. Both auditory and visual cues complete what is being communicated - and what is communicated verbally can be quite different than what is being communicated visually.

My younger grandson has Asbergers Syndrome (going to be 17 next month) and has difficulty picking up visual cues from a person’s body and facial expressions and only picks up auditory cues - but takes the words and sentences literally. That’s because he is missing his ability to pick up body and facial communication cues. Thus he is missing 50% of his ability to fully understand what a person is trying to communicate.

Being able to “read” a person’s body and facial expressions coupled with verbal communication is what allows us to determine the full meaning behind an individual’s communication.

Now that masks are not being required in places, it makes it easier to interact because the lower face shows a lot of folk's thinking, along with the eyes and brows.

fintail

But it has "Autopilot", so it can drive itself! An edgelord tech magnate told me so!

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel said:

The problem with how people look and react to things is that it is purely subjective and that the way someone reacts to a certain situation can vary from person to person. We are all different with different personalities and can react differently to the same situation depending on that personality and past experiences. That's why it is important to look at the facts and make an objective decision based on facts only.

Exterior facial and body language are essential in fully understanding and interpreting what an individual is trying to communicate. Both auditory and visual cues complete what is being communicated - and what is communicated verbally can be quite different than what is being communicated visually.

My younger grandson has Asbergers Syndrome (going to be 17 next month) and has difficulty picking up visual cues from a person’s body and facial expressions and only picks up auditory cues - but takes the words and sentences literally. That’s because he is missing his ability to pick up body and facial communication cues. Thus he is missing 50% of his ability to fully understand what a person is trying to communicate.

Being able to “read” a person’s body and facial expressions coupled with verbal communication is what allows us to determine the full meaning behind an individual’s communication.

So true. And it also goes the other way. My son who has the same condition always has trouble dealing with police interactions because he didn’t give of the proper body language cues that cops are trained to read. If I was there I could explain to the officers that his condition made it difficult for him, for example, to look people in the eye (a signal that someone was being evasive) but during a traffic stop they always thought he was hiding something.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel said:

The problem with how people look and react to things is that it is purely subjective and that the way someone reacts to a certain situation can vary from person to person. We are all different with different personalities and can react differently to the same situation depending on that personality and past experiences. That's why it is important to look at the facts and make an objective decision based on facts only.

Exterior facial and body language are essential in fully understanding and interpreting what an individual is trying to communicate. Both auditory and visual cues complete what is being communicated - and what is communicated verbally can be quite different than what is being communicated visually.

My younger grandson has Asbergers Syndrome (going to be 17 next month) and has difficulty picking up visual cues from a person’s body and facial expressions and only picks up auditory cues - but takes the words and sentences literally. That’s because he is missing his ability to pick up body and facial communication cues. Thus he is missing 50% of his ability to fully understand what a person is trying to communicate.

Being able to “read” a person’s body and facial expressions coupled with verbal communication is what allows us to determine the full meaning behind an individual’s communication.

While a lot of communication is non verbal we are not discussing talking with people. We are discussing trials where in most cases the person being tried is not talking (taking the stand). So there the only body language you will have is from when they are sitting there and listening/watching the procedures. That's where everything about body language is very subjective.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

abacomike said:

Exterior facial and body language are essential in fully understanding and interpreting what an individual is trying to communicate. Both auditory and visual cues complete what is being communicated - and what is communicated verbally can be quite different than what is being communicated visually.

My younger grandson has Asbergers Syndrome (going to be 17 next month) and has difficulty picking up visual cues from a person’s body and facial expressions and only picks up auditory cues - but takes the words and sentences literally. That’s because he is missing his ability to pick up body and facial communication cues. Thus he is missing 50% of his ability to fully understand what a person is trying to communicate.

Being able to “read” a person’s body and facial expressions coupled with verbal communication is what allows us to determine the full meaning behind an individual’s communication.

Now that masks are not being required in places, it makes it easier to interact because the lower face shows a lot of folk's thinking, along with the eyes and brows.

It also means I cannot go around sticking out my tongue at people anymore.

ab348

It's funny. Up here, Canada Post has a long tradition of being reviled by citizens due to militant unions in the 1970s and '80s that were always going on strike. The place was poorly run, mail seemed to often get lost or delayed, and the constant wage increases demanded by the union meant that the price of stamps skyrocketed during that time. The feds finally spun it off into a Crown corporation to keep it out of politicians hair, but that didn't help much.

Just like with USPS, the volume of first class mail has been reduced to a trickle and now it is mostly advertising flyers and 3rd-class admail. They no longer do door to door delivery in my area and I have to go to a community mailbox that serves about 60 homes to pick up my mail. I do it only once or twice a week as there is seldom anything vital there. Funnily enough though, the explosion in online shopping meant that they suddenly received a pile of new parcel business. But even that was a problem, as in the weeks leading up to Christmas they were so overwhelmed that they were posting about service delays of 3 to 4 weeks in moving parcels. There were apparently dozens of 40-foot trailers parked at the major sorting hubs around the country that were simply untouched for weeks due to the crush of business. Sometimes an operation can't win for losing.

henryn

In the modern, online world, there are ways of dealing with an overload of business. For an example, I present Amazon and how they handled the explosion of business they received last year immediately following the lockdown. Instead of offering 2 day delivery, many (most?) items started showing delivery times of 3 weeks to 3 months. This way, people knew what to expect before engaging, and could make their own decision to proceed or not.

Modernizing the USPS, bringing their computer systems into the 21st century, would be a massive undertaking and something that big bureaucracies do not do well. Back in the 90’s I was the lead on a couple of big computer upgrades (hardware, software, the whole kit and caboodle). Millions of dollars, dozens of software engineers, deadlines, big time pressure.

I was feeling pretty cocky, and when I heard the IRS wanted to completely redo / modernize their computer systems, I applied for a position with them. Specifically, to be the lead, or “a lead”, on this project. I interviewed with several different managers and teams and came away with the impression that their efforts were doomed to failure. Which proved to be correct.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

I saw this on the news the other night. A self driving Waymo taxi got confused by a traffic cone on the street. Happened in Phoenix.....Maybe someday I would trust self driving cars, and though they are in fewer accidents that cars driven by humans....at least if I am in an accident I would know it was my own fault.
https://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/technology/watch-self-driving-car-struggle-to-understand-traffic-cones/video_889764e3-42f5-53ef-9365-893c727dbffb.html

stickguy

What happens in that taxi if it gets confused and decides to drive off to some random place? Not like you can take control! Push the help button and hope a drone operator can find it?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

I saw this on the news the other night. A self driving Waymo taxi got confused by a traffic cone on the street. Happened in Phoenix.....Maybe someday I would trust self driving cars, and though they are in fewer accidents that cars driven by humans....at least if I am in an accident I would know it was my own fault.
https://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/technology/watch-self-driving-car-struggle-to-understand-traffic-cones/video_889764e3-42f5-53ef-9365-893c727dbffb.html

That’s what I’ve always said about self-driving cars. You can’t program common sense into them and you can’t teach them to cope with human mischief like brake checking, deliberately standing in front of the car or throwing pumpkins off an overpass. Even with less smart cars snow, ice or dirt will foul up the cars sensors and make autonomous functions fail.

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

I saw this on the news the other night. A self driving Waymo taxi got confused by a traffic cone on the street. Happened in Phoenix.....Maybe someday I would trust self driving cars, and though they are in fewer accidents that cars driven by humans....at least if I am in an accident I would know it was my own fault.
https://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/technology/watch-self-driving-car-struggle-to-understand-traffic-cones/video_889764e3-42f5-53ef-9365-893c727dbffb.html

That’s what I’ve always said about self-driving cars. You can’t program common sense into them and you can’t teach them to cope with human mischief like brake checking, deliberately standing in front of the car or throwing pumpkins off an overpass. Even with less smart cars snow, ice or dirt will foul up the cars sensors and make autonomous functions fail.

Heck, the rear view camera becomes useless in a heavy rain!

graphicguy

For my U.S. friends only....USPS is a government service, not a profit center. Just like Social Security, Medicare, National Parks Services, etc.

As such, our tax dollars should be used to pay for that service. I know the current Post Master, who is inept, and that's being kind, tries to portray it as a service he had to cut back on in order to make it profitable. That's not the reason, at all. His previous position was as the leader of a "Logistics" company, which actually competed with the USPS, who can undercut most Logistics and delivery companies given their support of our tax dollars.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

Any indication if it was in auto-pilot or was it typical Florida driving in your sleep?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

What happens in that taxi if it gets confused and decides to drive off to some random place? Not like you can take control! Push the help button and hope a drone operator can find it?

You have to think outside the box.

Michaell

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

What happens in that taxi if it gets confused and decides to drive off to some random place? Not like you can take control! Push the help button and hope a drone operator can find it?

You have to think outside the box.

You beat me to it!

Exactly what I was thinking.

Ordered a couple of things from Amazon, this morning. Prime delivery, but anticipate a Sunday delivery. Got spoiled with the 1 and 2 day turnaround time in the past.

driver100

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

I saw this on the news the other night. A self driving Waymo taxi got confused by a traffic cone on the street. Happened in Phoenix.....Maybe someday I would trust self driving cars, and though they are in fewer accidents that cars driven by humans....at least if I am in an accident I would know it was my own fault.
https://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/technology/watch-self-driving-car-struggle-to-understand-traffic-cones/video_889764e3-42f5-53ef-9365-893c727dbffb.html

That’s what I’ve always said about self-driving cars. You can’t program common sense into them and you can’t teach them to cope with human mischief like brake checking, deliberately standing in front of the car or throwing pumpkins off an overpass. Even with less smart cars snow, ice or dirt will foul up the cars sensors and make autonomous functions fail.

Heck, the rear view camera becomes useless in a heavy rain!

Better a rear view camera that is almost useless in the rain than not have one at all I always say.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

I saw this on the news the other night. A self driving Waymo taxi got confused by a traffic cone on the street. Happened in Phoenix.....Maybe someday I would trust self driving cars, and though they are in fewer accidents that cars driven by humans....at least if I am in an accident I would know it was my own fault.
https://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/technology/watch-self-driving-car-struggle-to-understand-traffic-cones/video_889764e3-42f5-53ef-9365-893c727dbffb.html

That’s what I’ve always said about self-driving cars. You can’t program common sense into them and you can’t teach them to cope with human mischief like brake checking, deliberately standing in front of the car or throwing pumpkins off an overpass. Even with less smart cars snow, ice or dirt will foul up the cars sensors and make autonomous functions fail.

If you check Waymo Taxis on youtube you will see lots of times when the cars get confused by all kinds of things....you have to wonder why someone would count on them to get you where you are going.

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

For my U.S. friends only....USPS is a government service, not a profit center. Just like Social Security, Medicare, National Parks Services, etc.

As such, our tax dollars should be used to pay for that service. I know the current Post Master, who is inept, and that's being kind, tries to portray it as a service he had to cut back on in order to make it profitable. That's not the reason, at all. His previous position was as the leader of a "Logistics" company, which actually competed with the USPS, who can undercut most Logistics and delivery companies given their support of our tax dollars.

The post office is a quasi government service and it's employees are not truly Federal employees and it's supposed to be self funded.

benjaminh

Biden driving the new Ford F-150 Lightning EV. He said he was going to take it to 80.

cdnpinhead

roadburner said:

I have to say that our local post office is great. Our mail carrier goes above and beyond.

It's nice to live in a rural area, or at least not in a metro area. Many on here don't. I certainly appreciate it.

stickguy

He even looks like a fed with those shades on.

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

Biden driving the new Ford F-150 Lightning EV. He said he was going to take it to 80.

The truck had two steering wheels and I guess the SS agent was actually driving. Hey, they wouldn’t let Steve McQueen do all his own driving either.

venture

I took out a loan and went to Lowes to get a 2x10x10. When I tried to get it off the stack I had to use both hands. That thing was wet and HEAVY.

It fit inside the Legacy with the trunk closed.

fintail

Should be, but not in actuality - something socialism etc I am sure. The pension funding disaster is almost like sabotage.

Current head honcho probably wants to direct some volume to his own (family) business so they can overbill as they have in the past. This is not an ethical benevolent bootstrapping businessman.

graphicguy said:

For my U.S. friends only....USPS is a government service, not a profit center. Just like Social Security, Medicare, National Parks Services, etc.

As such, our tax dollars should be used to pay for that service. I know the current Post Master, who is inept, and that's being kind, tries to portray it as a service he had to cut back on in order to make it profitable. That's not the reason, at all. His previous position was as the leader of a "Logistics" company, which actually competed with the USPS, who can undercut most Logistics and delivery companies given their support of our tax dollars.

explorerx4

In the video I heard, 'No, No we let him drive himself".

driver100

Maybe EQS could change my mind....430 miles on a chage, fast charge in 15 minutes gives 180 miles....515 hp.

fintail

EQS is interesting inside, but I am not a fan of the exterior styling. Would it kill the execudrone class to greenlight an EV that looks like a normal and non-derpy car?

driver100 said:

Maybe EQS could change my mind....430 miles on a chage, fast charge in 15 minutes gives 180 miles....515 hp.

ab348

driver100 said:

Maybe EQS could change my mind....430 miles on a chage, fast charge in 15 minutes gives 180 miles....515 hp.

First you'd have to figure out how to navigate that Starship Enterprise flight deck. Does it have a backup camera I wonder?

bwia

driver100 said:

Maybe EQS could change my mind....430 miles on a chage, fast charge in 15 minutes gives 180 miles....515 hp.

The dash is a blinding light show, what gives. Nonetheless, it looks interesting but perhaps too expensive to be practical and sustainable. Other variants of the EQS line, however, look promising.

ab348

Interesting article on the new electric Ford F-150 Lightning and Ford's low-price strategy.

driver100

@ fintail @ ab348 I agree, I'm not a fan of the exterior....it looks like a giant Civic. I would like it to look more like a regular car and I am not sure this design would appeal to the market it is aimed at.....maybe young techie CEOs?


I sure don't want a car the size of an S Class anyway....above a C or 335 or A4 size it loses a lot of it's fun appeal.
Not sure about a back up camera....but I would still like one!

qbrozen

Backup cams are mandatory now, right?

stickguy

Yes.

graphicguy

benjaminh said:

Biden driving the new Ford F-150 Lightning EV. He said he was going to take it to 80.

I saw that. He’s as much of a car enthusiast as we are. IIRC, he once had a Corvette.

jmonroe1

henryn said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

I saw this on the news the other night. A self driving Waymo taxi got confused by a traffic cone on the street. Happened in Phoenix.....Maybe someday I would trust self driving cars, and though they are in fewer accidents that cars driven by humans....at least if I am in an accident I would know it was my own fault.
https://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/technology/watch-self-driving-car-struggle-to-understand-traffic-cones/video_889764e3-42f5-53ef-9365-893c727dbffb.html

That’s what I’ve always said about self-driving cars. You can’t program common sense into them and you can’t teach them to cope with human mischief like brake checking, deliberately standing in front of the car or throwing pumpkins off an overpass. Even with less smart cars snow, ice or dirt will foul up the cars sensors and make autonomous functions fail.

Heck, the rear view camera becomes useless in a heavy rain!

Shush, we’ll have a poster buddy beginning to believe he’s better off without a backup camera.

jmonroe

bwia

ab348 said:

Interesting article on the new electric Ford F-150 Lightning and Ford's low-price strategy.

The F-150 Lighting is one impressive truck for $40,000.
Let me see if I got that right. For the standard price of $39,974 you get a 426 hp, 4 x 4 standard dual motor setup with 775-lb feet of torque and 230 miles of range that can tow 7,700 pounds, and haul 2,000 pounds in the truck bed. Additionally, a 463 hp, 300-mile long range version that can pull up to 10,000 pounds will be available.

jmonroe1

benjaminh said:

Biden driving the new Ford F-150 Lightning EV. He said he was going to take it to 80.

Our tax dollars at work.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

venture said:

I took out a loan and went to Lowes to get a 2x10x10. When I tried to get it off the stack I had to use both hands. That thing was wet and HEAVY.

It fit inside the Legacy with the trunk closed.

Had to pick up a few 2x4x8’s for the flip yesterday. They now cost $7.98 each at Home Depot. I at least get a 10% veterans discount.

When we bought the bulk of them a few months ago they were just over 6 bucks which was pretty high compared to what we were paying for them before the so called shortage.

The price of buying a flip house has gone up. I wonder why.

jmonroe

fintail

The front is very Honda to my eyes, and the side is what I call "generic EV". Not a fan of that triangle window in the A-pillar, nor the 6 window design on a MB sedan. So far, the EV I like most is the Taycan, but a little rich for my blood.

I think the 'different for the sake of different' styling seen on the EQS and many other EVs is a combination of showing off, and virtue signaling. Give me the new gen EV tech (400+ miles of real world range, ability to get a bit of charge in no more than 20-30 mins, etc, along with solving charging infrastructure issues) in a normal E-class body, please (preferably with the formal grille and hood ornament). The drag coefficient may be a little worse, but probably not enough for a significant range impact. I don't care for trendy design nor do I thirst to be looked at.

driver100 said:

@ fintail @ ab348 I agree, I'm not a fan of the exterior....it looks like a giant Civic. I would like it to look more like a regular car and I am not sure this design would appeal to the market it is aimed at.....maybe young techie CEOs?


I sure don't want a car the size of an S Class anyway....above a C or 335 or A4 size it loses a lot of it's fun appeal.
Not sure about a back up camera....but I would still like one!

fintail

I get a market brief of several commodities every week at work. On Monday, the report stated a 291.4% YOY increase in the "framing lumber composite", with a 35.4% increase in 2021 alone.

In my area, flippers and institutional rental investment hoarders have demolished the lower end of the market, to the point where there is probably not much meat left on the bone for many flips (as incomes aren't pacing a market that has often more than doubled in ~5 years), and has destroyed the idea of a "starter home" for many, in the old vein of a house you buy and improve when you can, gaining equity and value over maybe a medium term. I have crocodile tears for their loss of profits, and that industry which is also subsidized by very affectionate tax policy.

jmonroe1 said:

venture said:

I took out a loan and went to Lowes to get a 2x10x10. When I tried to get it off the stack I had to use both hands. That thing was wet and HEAVY.

It fit inside the Legacy with the trunk closed.

Had to pick up a few 2x4x8’s for the flip yesterday. They now cost $7.98 each at Home Depot. I at least get a 10% veterans discount.

When we bought the bulk of them a few months ago they were just over 6 bucks which was pretty high compared to what we were paying for them before the so called shortage.

The price of buying a flip house has gone up. I wonder why.

jmonroe

bwia

If you're still hesitant about buying an EV perhaps this new model might hasten your decision, the NIO ET7. It is expected to deliver 620 miles of range and fast charging. Oh! and it is made in China. Take a loot see.

dino001

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

You mean, as opposed to other cars that don't ever crash?

fintail

Was that a commercial? It'll be interesting when there's more than a concept, and some data from real world usage.

Not sure if I can effectively support the CCP anyway.

bwia said:

If you're still hesitant about buying an EV perhaps this new model might hasten your decision, the NIO ET7. It is expected to deliver 620 miles of range and fast charging. Oh! and it is made in China. Take a loot see.

snakeweasel

@bwia said:
If you're still hesitant about buying an EV perhaps this new model might hasten your decision, the NIO ET7. It is expected to deliver 620 miles of range and fast charging. Oh! and it is made in China. Take a loot see.

Isn't that priced at northof $60K for the base model? To get the 620 mile range one you would have to pay more. I do believe they will have a subscription service at around $150 a month where you can just get your battery replaced when it needs a charge at one of their stations. That would mean you would have to be near one of their stations and would be more costly to run the car than most ICE cars at this time.

imidazol97

dino001 said:

imidazol97 said:

Another Tesla crash. When will it end?
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/morning-crash-involving-tesla-closes-express-lanes-of-i-95-in-miami-dade/2454338/

You mean, as opposed to other cars that don't ever crash?

The other cars have drivers in the seat driving them.

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fintail said:

The side view looks like the shape of the Taurus with the raised rear blended with
the Fusion shape that is a little too diminuative in the rear.