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Did your coolant reserve tank EVER go entirely empty? That would introduce air into the system and of course, changing the thermostat would too, although you had the problem before you did that.
I think I have found the design flaw that causes it.
It's not the hinges - although they could rattle on some cars.
What causes the rattle in my case - is a metal bar or strip that is INSIDE the glovebox between the outer skin and the tub.
If you remove the glovebox and look up from the bottom near the hinge - you can see a small opening. Inside - you can just see the end of a metal strip or bar- that runs along the entire length of the bottom of the glovebox.
When I tapped the glovebox - I could hear the buzz rattle. When I touched the metal strip with a screw driver - the buzz didn't happen.
The fix, I just stuffed in some foam tape to stop the metal strip from rattling / buzzing.
This time - I am sure it's stopped for good.
The other fix - for another problem involved adding felt dots or disks to the glovebox door to hold it snug when closed.
Thats my 2 cents
Radiator is full, although overflow on MIN (at cold - fills up as engine warms). Radiator itself gets hot, upper hose gets hot, fans & temp gauge all appear to work OK - and the feeder tube for the interior heat exchanger gets Very Hot (by personal experience via Touch...) - at least, I ASSUME that it must be the feeder tube for passenger compartment heat exchanger that I "Found"(!). (Just visible above the access panel at right side of driver's footwell.)
Fuses all appear ok - pulled & re-inserted the 50amp "Heater" fuse, just looked at others - and am assuming at the moment that problem is with the Temperature switch on the center dash. Both fan & "direction" switches work normally, but the Temp control feels "looser" when being rotated (but then I don't drive the car all that often & don't know how it "should" feel when being operated).
Any ideas?
Vehicle has had a couple of minor glitches - radio, more rattles than expected (although '99 Camry also had a bunch of rattles), a recall or two - but otherwise has ran well, returning a pleasing combination of performance, mileage, and interior space (again, it is a FWD version: we thought the 4 felt underpowered with AWD when test drove, but this vehicle has surprising zip around town & up to reasonable highway speeds).
In any event, losing heat at 2+ years old & under 38K is disappointing. Based on OUR experience (all of 3 cars...), since 1999 Toyota's quality / reliability is At Best "No Better Than" VW's.
(Any bets on whether or not dealer will be willing to 'work with' cost on vehicle so close to warranty coverage??? Will post fix / cost once known.)
I look through the 04HL(6918) manual guide and it states that the "Tire pressure warnning system reset" switch is next to "Tilt steering lock release lever" but this switch does not exist in my 04HL(6918). Can you check and let me know. This is not a limited model.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Frank
The service tech can manually switch the unit to either Warm OR Cold air (warm being preferable at this time of year), but once set it will remain at that setting until the module is replaced.
Which, of course, is the Kicker: $500 for the Module PLUS $300 for installation. A grand total of $800 (!!!) simply for the ability to switch between hot and cold air. (The module is a special order item.)
And this on a vehicle which is barely 26 (Twenty-Six) months old --- BUT which does have 37,300+ miles on it... meaning that it is Out Of Warranty.
At moment, expectation is that tech will set unit to "hot air" and we will pick vehicle up this afternoon, with intention of trying our luck with Toyota Cust Svc to see whether or not we can get SOME relief from what appears to be a fairly catastrophic failure (at least in terms of cost!) for such a new vehicle.
Add this to a couple of recalls, a dead radio, and a number of squeaks & rattles, and Toyota's vaunted reputation for Quality seems to be getting somewhat tarnished - at least from our perspective (radio in wife's '99 Camry also failed, and that car had its own squeaks & rattles as well).
Sigh.
Any advice on how to best approach Toyota (OR of a less expensive repair!) would be appreciated!!
Damages: $581 (!!) for the Control Module; $47 for some sort of Retainer for the Module (why the existing one couldn't be re-used is a mystery) + 1 hour of labor IN ADVANCE... equals some $734 Just To Order The Parts (note that the hour of "Labor" comes to close to $100!).
This is somewhat mitigated by Toyota's apparent willingness to split the bill 50/50 - BUT, WE have to first pay the dealer for the entire repair cost, and then petition Toyota Cust Svc for a refund (consisting of their Promised 50%).
On the one hand, Toyota certainly did not HAVE to offer to share the cost - and their willingness to do so IS appreciated. On the other hand, this is still a bitter pill to swallow for a vehicle that is barely over 2 years old -- and, with an Over $600 PARTS bill just for the HVAC control module, we cannot but wonder what type of horrors await should something SERIOUS go wrong the the car...
Do you know what they ordered for parts - My dealership doubts that sun visor with illumination can be retrofitted.
I spoked to the dealer who sold me the car, and he said it is normal in cold weather cause of the engine has to be warmed up and the oil circulated?
Any opinion on that, he said his two car does same in the morning.
Thanks
The parts they ordered is the sunvisor with light(which is supposed to be the in car.) I dropped by the dealer yesterday for the new visors and I end up driving a rental car(03 H/L limited, not bad!). Thought it was a 15 minutes job to replaced the visors as they said turn out to be least 2 days or more as of today. They need to drop down the headliner to reach for the wiring harness in the ceiling. Sometimes I'm wondering if I made the right decision of having it changed or not considering the amount of work to the done although it's a warranty job. Now, I can't resist comparing my 04 HL with this loaner 03 HL. I guess many of you knows the changes between 03 & earlier vs 04 model.
I'm expecting the service advisor call today..
Thanks for the response. My dealer is telling me that it can't be done, that it requires an entire new wiring harness; even going so far as to float the idea of to buying the car back.
While I don't know that they are telling someting other than the unvarnished truth, something is not right. Is there a name at your dealership that I could ask for as I attempt to sort out an outcome that I can live with.
Why Toyota doesn't have one button for slide and one for tilt is a mystery.
Anyway we just brought our new 04 HL home from the dealership yesterday and are very impressed.
Hope this positive feeling remains.
"Customer states visors do not have the illum. w/ the vanity mirrors.. Vehicle did have this option. Ordered new visors w/ illum. Removed old visor and found no wiring provisions to add this option. Found WINDOWS STICKER to be MISPRINTED. Auto trim to remove headliner then install wiring from dome light circuit to new visors w/ illum. features." If they had told me beforehand it was a label error I won't have to go this far, tearing down the headliner. I bet the dealership want to do it since it is a warranty job they will be paid for the work and 3 days car rental.
DKADAMS, I'm not sure if it's all right to post names, the service dept. no is 913-831-0014 at Superior Toyota (KC area).
Any suggestions?
Mike
>If you remove the glovebox and look up from the >bottom near the hinge - you can see a small >opening. Inside - you can just see the end of a >metal strip or bar- that runs along the entire >length of the bottom of the glovebox.
Nimrod,
Could you be a little more specific about what exactlty this "piece of metal" is? Is it visible with the glove box installed? "loose metal" strip doesn't sound like it should be here because it doesn't perform a function. Are you talking about the metal dashboard frame that the glove box attaches to?
The hinge shims previously described fixed 90-100% of the rattle I was experiencing. Now that it's gone I am now hearing a squeaking noise in the same general area. I think this might be either the glove box latch sliding on the strike or the glove box door sliding against the glove box light switch. However, after reading your post I would like to checkout your findings.
Thanks,
Steve
When I tapped the glovebox - I could hear the buzz rattle. When I touched the metal strip with a screw driver - the buzz didn't happen.
The fix, I just stuffed in some foam tape to stop the metal strip from rattling / buzzing.
This time - I am sure it's stopped for good.
The other fix - for another problem involved adding felt dots or disks to the glovebox door to hold it snug when closed.
The piece of metal is only visible with the glove box removed.
It's not the metal cover that is screwed to the back.
The only way to see it - is to look at the hinges.
At either end of the glove box - next to each hinge, is a small slit. Look inside and you can just make out a thing metal strip about 1/32" thick by 1/4" wide. It extends the full width of the glove box (I think).
At first I though the rattle or buzzing was due to the outer plastic color matched skin buzzing against the black plastic tub. It was only when I stuck my ear / face near the hinge (glove box out of the car) - that I noticed the metal strip.
To me - it seems match the pitch and frequency of the buzzing. It needs to be something light in weight (for higher frequency) and flexible ( buzzing starts when driving over a rough asphalt road).
Hope this helps
I would not recommend that you add washers to the gap near the hinge. The space is for thermal expansion. The plastic pin should fit snuggly to stop any vibration. Also when the glovebox is closed - the outer frame of the glovebox and the opening in the dash are supposed to form a snug fit (tapered edges)
Also does anyone know the approx. weight distribution, front to rear?
Thanks
Ray
Thanks.
Direct cost has been just under $790; now we start the process of requesting 50% refund from Toyota (as per their earlier promise).
Hopefully this unit will last for longer than 26 or so months....
The dealer said this was a chronic problem (also for Camry) with the transmission - it stays in OD too long and doesn't shift down. I question this explanation, it seems that the engine doesn't have the power to respond or is not tuned properly. Have any of you experienced this condition? Any solutions, do you think the '04 engine (3.3 vs 3.0) is an improvement? Thanks.
And where is it located?
There was some discussion about Sunroof normalization and auto open/close a few weeks back. I followed the same instructions. I normalized the sunroof by holding it towards tilt until it completed a full cycle. It still doesn't automatically open and close as described in the manual. Any suggestions?
If the pedal doesn't snap back, literally, then it is binding and you should take it to the dealer.
#1 Rear Window vibration
I have test driven a few HL ('03 and '04).
At speed of 35mph and up, when rear window(s) is lowered, I got a loud, deep (and a head-ache inducing) vibration which I assume came from the window rattling. I would rarely drive with those windows open but it was an annoying flaw - am I imagining it?
Has anyone else noticed this and is there anything that can be done?
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#2 Child booster in 3rd row
Has anyone tried to put a child safety booster for a 7 yr old (57lbs) in the third row (required at least here in CA - assume 3rd row is not exempt) ?
seems kind of cramped
Thanks