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Scott
Or not. Whatever.
I am not at all suggesting that Nissan/Infiniti make any less money than they can -- rather, I think they should make as much as they can in the free market. Nor am I considering actually buying in Canada, although I wouldn't mind going back to Vancouver again -- but it would be too big a hassle to get a vehicle back here to Dallas.
Actually, I'm starting to think I won't take the G35 I ordered last month. It was sounding really good and I was looking for a change -- but my '96 300ZX is just coming into it's season here in Dallas where I can drive around with the t-tops off. And it's a solid car too, originally sold in Feb '96 and I just rolled 49k miles last week. Maybe in 6 or 7 months the G35 will be fully realized with a 6-speed, coupe, and lots of choices waiting on the dealer floor that they'd deal on.
Of course, it's only money, and you can't take it with you...
Scott
By the way, I guess we're too spoil about spending less up north. Keep in mind that a fully loaded G35 will run us $33K. That is still a BIG bargain if you're comparing a fully loaded 530i for an extra $13K.
In retrospect, I don't mind paying $30K for G35 with leather/sunroof. The idiots who pay $40K on the 330i are the ones crying foul. We should be lucky that Infiniti has priced this vehicle affordable for all of us.
In regard to Canadian car pricing. Maybeg is right. It has little to do with exchange rates. The price is set that way because that's all the Canadian market will bear. (Maybe it's all that high taxes our neighbor up north has to pay) DCX does the same thing. A RAM truck in Canada is 4000-5000 cheaper.
DL
The difference between the price paid initially and the price sold after a few years is what I consider the actual cost. I keep my vehicles for about 3-4 years so they are usually always under warranty. This is especially important for BMW's since their reliability is questionable. All I am saying is that I bet the BMW 330i could very well be the better deal after all is said and done.
Another point regarding an earlier post, I have a hard time believing that Infiniti will really threaten BMW with the G35. If you look at the typical BMW owner, it is not the horsepower (323, 325) or performance (automatics, non-sport packages) that they are looking to purchase. Infiniti doesn't carry the same "status" as an Infiniti, Mercedes or BMW so they will have a hard time competing in that segment.
Don't get me wrong. I would love the G35 to fit the bill but I am also a realist. I really do love the way the 330i performs. I doubt there are many here that would disagree after they test drive one. I hope the G35 will outperform the 330i to the point I feel it is actually worth the same amount of money or more so I can disregard the terrible resale it could potentially receive.
Who knows, maybe this will be the first Infiniti product that maintains a decent resale price after all. Don't be misled about the residual values Infiniti is using on the G35 for leases. That means nothing compared to what the actual resale prices will determine. For example, we leased a QX4 in 1999 and the residual value set by the leasing company was over $6,000 higher than the actual market value of the car at lease end. Good thing I leased this one instead of purchased...
I know lots of us would love to visit Japan, what a wonderful people and country.
I think what you're basically saying is that BMW owners are status conscious ________ (insert you favorite expletive) that empty their wallets to pay more to get less just so they can feel better about them pitiful selves in the hope that people will respect or love them more just because of the blue-and-white roundel emblem on their car's hood. Am I right or not?
I just hope they keep buying BMWs then and leave the G35s for those of us that really know how to get the most car for the money and also don't have status envy.
I would prefer a Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infiniti or Toyota/Lexus version of the 330i but there is nothing from these manufacturers (except maybe the G35) that competes yet. I do like the nimbleness/handling of the IS300 Lexus but it is a little slow off the line and it is way to "boy-racer" looking. I have never owned a BMW but can attest the 330i (an M3) is an extremely fun car to drive.
Hopefully the G35 will fit the bill. I would rather purchase products from a manufacturer that builds reliable products. Even though I plan to own the vehicles while under warranty, the less trips to the dealer, the better...
and just because the call it a dollar does not mean it is the same. $43k canadian dollars is a LOT less than $43k american dollars.
Craig!!
Infiniti priced the car in the USA at a very fair price and I don't think that Infiniti should be the fall guy because someone can't save a few bucks buying in a market that was not designed to encompass their needs.
And as far as your 43k being worth alot more than our 43k, I would agree if you guys were comming up here to vacation and spend your $$$ here. However for us Canadians living here, earning our $$ and subsequently spending our $$ here, it is still 43k, anyway you want to count it.
Look I don't care if we are talking cars or any othe consumer product. For those that need to save there is always a way around things, it all boils down to who you know and not what you know.
Anyone wanting to buy a car in Canada, it is still very possible, you just have to have the right contact. As for the warranty issue, sure the manufacturers are going to say they won't service the car, if it was I that is the first thing I would say because that is the easiest thing to say in order to turn people off who are contemplating this. In fact, they will have to service the car. I am picking up my G35 this afternoon. I will check the warranty book, I bet it states that the car is fully warranteed in NORTh AMERICA. To many of us Canucks travel to the USA on a regular basis. Many of us spend half the winter in the USA at our winter homes down south.
You know there is so much said about websites that offer you the dealers cost price, what is not included in the dealer price is the many rebates that the dealers get back in relation to their performance from the manufacturers. So when people around here talk about the fact that they paid X above or below dealer price, trust me there is way more to the story.
Expect big changes to the I35 for next year. Also the G20 is being discontinued, production on the car has already halted, Infiniti dose not want any 4 cylinder cars in their product mix.
when a friend tells me very proudly, "Hey, we just got a new Grand Am" they, knowingly or unknowingly, are seeking status.
Absolutly,BMW owners, in most cases, are seeking status. Hardly one in a thousand will ever drive his 530 at it's full potential, and this will also be of the new G35.
Just, IMO. Bob
This sort of cross-border price differential is common in Europe, and the EU is doing its best to try to eliminate it. The car makers are all screaming foul, but betting is that over time, the big differences will be eliminated. The car makers were / are subsidizing sales in some very high tax Scandinavian countries by offering lower prices, in addition to inflating prices in the UK and Germany for the same cars that can be bought for less elsewhere in Europe. Let's just say it is not a new issue...
"#2010 of 2029 tco99 and gabman by scotth501 Mar 06, 2002 (06:53 pm)
You guys are both right, but we could compare apples to oranges or consider different "what if" scenarios. I was just trying to throw out some other variables because I didn't find the analysis of: "it only costs US$xx,xxx if you buy in Canada" to be a fully realized model. I guess it's just the engineer in me (like the counting starting at zero I mentioned earlier).
I am not at all suggesting that Nissan/Infiniti make any less money than they can -- rather, I think they should make as much as they can in the free market. Nor am I considering actually buying in Canada, although I wouldn't mind going back to Vancouver again -- but it would be too big a hassle to get a vehicle back here to Dallas.
Actually, I'm starting to think I won't take the G35 I ordered last month. It was sounding really good and I was looking for a change -- but my '96 300ZX is just coming into it's season here in Dallas where I can drive around with the t-tops off. And it's a solid car too, originally sold in Feb '96 and I just rolled 49k miles last week. Maybe in 6 or 7 months the G35 will be fully realized with a 6-speed, coupe, and lots of choices waiting on the dealer floor that they'd deal on.
Of course, it's only money, and you can't take it with you...
Scott "
Scott-If infiniiti has the right to make as much money as they can in the "free market" why can't I try to get the best deal in this "free market"...answer me that Jack!!!!
Euro and Yen have both been weak against the green back. At least Japanese car makers regurgitates a little bit (not by choice, I am sure) by offering some incentives and discounts, but not so the Bavarians.
I am going for the G35 for its value, reliability and performance (on paper at least). I may have to give up a little on cachet. Well, nothing is perfect, isn't it?
All I was saying was the "value" of something isn't necessarily represented a stated cost (MSRP). Remember how the S in MSRP stands for "suggested". It could be higher, it could be lower. MSRP might be the best deal based on supply and demand. Your best deal might slightly lower or even higher. If you've got some method to beat the free market, please let me know -- I'd love to have several more sets of the US Mint's 1999 Silver Proof set. It's 9 coins -- all 5 of the original state quarters ($1.25 face value), the half dollar, dime, nickel, and penny. If you could use your skill and get that for less than the $1.91 MSRP for the nine coins, I'd take like 100,000 sets. They're selling on ebay for about $90/set.
So I went to their website and it is totally redesigned. Says they have 2 g35 avail. one cloth, one leather.
Base model MSRP $27,100. Invoice $24,832.
Luxury Leather model MSRP $28,950. Invoice $26,225.
I was talking about a car that I could could pay MSRP for in Canada, pay the AC fee, pay the 7% (which is refunded), pay the 2.5% duty, pay the air fare, accommodations, and still have $6000+ left over, not $4000 as someone stated. We are getting robbed by paying our MSRP. BTW on the invoice there is a $100 or so as a warranty fee.
but I also have a question for anyone about the G35. I saw the new photos posted in the Yahoo groups with a different aero kit. It looked like the intakes in the lower front airdam was different. Has anyone seen or heard anything else about a different aero front spoiler? I think it looked more like the single big intake like on a 911 turbo of the current twin intake slots.
Scott
I agree with stender re: date of delivery. Salesman told me that mine will arrive in April. Is that early, mid, or late April? He did not know, so I asked the sales mgr. in the same e-mail regarding the aero kit.
One thing we need to keep in mind as we near the launch is to keep each other updated as to what kind of deals we're getting. I have two dealers in Dallas who won't even give me a firm price at this date. I don't get it - they act like they couldn't care less if they sell a car or not! They must all think they are fat and happy. I have not begun negotiations with Grubbs yet, but they have already given me a $500. gift card that basically amounts to a rebate on the car. We'll see what else I can get out of them.
more importatnly. how is the g35?
As far a G35 , still have 2 hours and 30 mins before leave to pick it up, got the insurance in place this morning and car is being prepped as we speak
got an message from the dealer this week and said that april/may timing still holds. no vin (or clock!) from infiniti yet.
First thought will be about tinting windows, feel they need to be somewhat darker, any comments?, then a remote starter, greatest invention in the world, have them in all my cars.
Twiligh Blue is a very dark blue. Not light at all. It looks very good in the daytime, looks like black at night.
Hi guys, first time on! Been watching for months. Sell Infiniti up in Canada for a living and the G35 is one hell of a ride. VDC on ice and snow is amazing, can't wait to throw it around the freeway on ramps in the dry. The Zenons are the upper bulb on the car. The lower light is the daytime running light (highbeam at half power) and the high beam. The fog light (halogen) is incorporated into the same light. Pull up to the window of a building at night and you can see the difference. The Zenons can be run alone just by turning off the fogs. As for the 6 speed manual shifter shown on the Canadian site it must have been the coupe. We are tenatively told that only the coupe will arrive in Canada with the six speed manual. The coupe is due to arrive in Canada in July in 5 speed auto first and later with 6 speed (fall/ spring?). I need your help. Infiniti has told us we are getting a new 4 door sedan with V8 in July!!! This year. It is to be called the M45. Supposedly based on a Gloria design, they are giving us no other info and I can't find a thing on the net anywhere about it. Anybody seen or heard of it??