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I'm so sorry you had a problem finding what you really wanted. Just so you know, the sales people at the dealers are not usually well informed about what is or is not available.
I have a 2007 5-Speed Elantra Limited, and got a great deal on it as well. It's a truly great car!
Good luck with your Mazda3 hatch. Sounds like you got a great price on that!
Take care!
Gah! I knew they (2007 Elantra Limited 5-Speeds) had to be out there somewhere. What part of the country are you in?
Thanks for the good wishes. I am enjoying the new car...but it just doesn't feel new because we've already got one. On the other hand, I know that it's a good piece of machinery.
All best,
Bill
First off all, is the car an automatic or 5 spd manual transmission?
If its an automatic with just the air conditioner option ($900 on sticker) than the sticker price of this car should be $15,895, right?
All i was telling you is that invoice of this car should be around $15,416 (according to edmunds, which is usually right on with the invoices i've seen from my dealership).
the $14,500 you "hope" to be around, is this out the door, or just a sale price with the $500 rebate? If it is an OTD, then it just doesn't sound very realistic to me.
The salesperson I encountered was great, however, the salesmanager, felt like an old-fashioned salesperson who learned how to use emails to further extend his annoyance.
In the email with his quote, he told me that the Hyundai promotion EXPIRES mid January, the day that I had planned on purchasing the vehicle, and that I must take whatever vehicle was in stock--the Hyundai promotion doesn't expire until the end of January.
The morning before I went in to sign the papers, I called to make sure I got the right price, and confirmed it. However, when I went in, sat down, talked with the salesperson, the salesmanager came over and told me he couldn't accept the price that I had confirmed before I went over cause it'd put him $400 below or something. When I wouldn't budge from our PREVIOUSLY AGREED ON PRICE, he raised his voice and started asking what my problem was and why I was being cheap, and then he pointed at some big guy by a desk and said he was the dealership manager and that he wouldn't accept the offer either.
When I was getting ready to leave and head over to the Nissan dealership for a 2007 Sentra S with Convience plus package and mats for cheaper--I wanted to give the Hyundai guys my business because I really liked the salesperson who helped me. Also, I liked the Elantra better =D--he gave me our previously agreed on price and completely changed his attitude. It was a total opposite from the guy who had just been yelling at me 30 seconds ago :confuse:
When I first test drove the Elantra, I was told that the car came with ESC, there was even a sticker on the rear driver side window that said ESC. However, when I read the manual two days after the purchase, I realized that the car didn't have it, in fact, none in the US even has the option of being equipped with it. The salesmanager tore the sticker off for me when I went in--and gave me a car wash.
Also, the sticker on the car included a "Appearance Package" for $1,995, that's supposed to have vin etching, paint sealant, door guard, pin stripping, and wheel-well moldings. However, none of the Elantras on the lot had the wheel-well moldings on them. Are they allowed to do that? list something on the sticker and not have it equipped? When I told the salesmanager about it--along with the missing ESC--he told me that I never paid for it, because I negotiated the price of the vehicle.
Anyway!...that was my Elantra buying experience. I love the car
Before I purchased
The ESC sticker is odd. Maybe someone on the assembly line got your car mixed up with one headed to a country where ESC is offered on the Elantra.
Another point, do not let them sell you how good their service is. For one thing you can have your car serviced anywhere [oil changes] just keep the receipts. Never forget the definition for Service ==WHEN THE FARMER BRINGS THE COW TO THE BULL.
I read a lot of posts on price of 2007 Elantra GLS, auto, with preferred package. As listed in Decatur/AL website, the price is $14986+tax+title since the end of last year. Does anybody know whether that dealer consider the new coming $500 rebate listed in edmunds.com? Will the price keep the same as before or the new price will be $14486($14986-$500)+tax+title?
Thanks in advance,
I live in NY and we have the biggest of CAR STEALERS here. It's a [non-permissible content removed] buying a car if you want the RIGHT price. My friend lives in Florida and they price fix, and will let you walk out unless they sell at THEIR price.
I hope this helps. Good luck, you'll need it.
Douglas Hyundai of Irvine is not the best dealership to deal with. In fact they were kinda of rude to me this past week. I wanted a quote on an Elantra Limited with auto with the sun and sound package in white. They wouldn't give me a quote via email and said if I wanted to buy the car I would have to get it in another color. I emailed them back saying that I was considering another car - Honda Civic Hybrid or a Toyota Prius and they emailed me back saying "Do what you want its your money". Well duh!. I dealt with Dave Sewell the fleet manager.
Anyway, its kind of ironic that that they are now such a bad dealership. But it may be due to the new management of Douglas Hyundai. It use to be Irvine Hyundai a year ago. I bought my 05 GT with every option (auto, ABS/traction controol, moonroof, mud guards, etc) for 12900 out the door back in Jan of 05.
Hope you enjoy the car. Try Allen Hyundai in Laguna Niguel for service. Their prices are about half of Douglas Hyundai (both Santa Ana and Irvine locations).
Happy motoring.
i'm a salesman, and i'd have to agree with SOME of your points. some dealers have brought this on themselves, but people like yourself are also to blame. yes, dealers do get cars below invoice (because of holdback), but it is not that much (usually around $500 for a 15,000-25,000 car, also depends on the make). But dealers do not pay a "hellva lot less than that price." Let me ask you something, is making $500-$1000 too much on a $15K-25K car? Go down to your local supermarket, ask them what they paid for any item (like they will tell you anyway) and I guarantee their markup is more than most regular (non premium brands) dealerships make on 1 new car sale.
Yes, do get informed and don't make a purchase on emotion, but don't get angry about a dealership trying to make money (after all, it is a business).
backy, "Hyundai Elantra Issues 2007+" #51, 29 Jan 2007 12:03 pm
(fyi, probably would be better posted in the general Elantra 2007 discussion vs. prices paid.)
Glad you agree with me. Why am I too blame for someone else trying to swindle people?????
As to what you are being told by your employer, that's BS. No one and I mean NO ONE can convince me that Car Stealers only make 2% of a $25000 car. They would go out of business in a week. Please do not insult everyone's intelligence by saying they make it up in the service department. Agreed the service department makes money and I'll include the parts department, but keep in mind cars today are far better than of old. The majority of business' MUST work at a profit margin of at least 20%. Based on a $25K car that's $5000, this does not take into account all the extra monies they make. ie. Kickbacks on financing, TRADE-IN's, Add-on's and how about when they get some boob who pays MSRP?.
You inferred that supermarkets make lots of money, well my family being in the food business here's a supermarket profits 101. As a general rule markup is 15 to 50% depending on the item. Take into account the following: perishable items that are discounted or thrown in the garbage. Let's not forget dented cans that have to be returned, thrown out or discounted. [Cars are not discounted for dents--they fix them, they don't throw them out or return them]
Cars are not perishable are they. Last but not least. Supermarkets as well as other stores have 1 BIG problem that they have to make up money for...SHOPLIFTING...how many cars do they shoplift from your dealership??????? If they do steal a car, other than chopping for parts, sending to some foreign country what do they do with it???
I didn't touch on the monthly quotas and the rebates dealers get and the year end rebates they get to sell the leftovers. And what about the EXTRA charges some try to take on like DEALER PROFIT or other BOGUS charges of various names. Please don't take this personally but you are a little naive about business. If "salesman" knew how much dealerships REALLY made they would demand more money. Salesman is in quotes because the majority of dealerships DO NOT ALLOW them to make a deal. "Salesman" MUST go to the manager to reduce the price and that does not translate into a salesman. I patiently await your response. I hope that others get into this dialog.
This forum is for relating your personal buying experience.. directly related to the Hyundai Elantra..
A lot of forums for general sales discussions.. Check out the Automotive News category.
Thanks.
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I have quoted from several different dealers and this dealer has much lower price ($14986) than any others. It is also about $1000 lower lower than invoice ($500 lower than invoice considering rebate). I know that a salesman from that dealer posting here some time, so I just want to make sure whether they accept the $500 rebates from listing price.
I know a lot of you are helpful but I have already done some homework and need a little bit more suggestion if possible, not just posting a question without any preparation work.
Get the quote in writing. BE SURE that the model, vin#, color etc. is the car you want and on the quote...
Remember: IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING........IT AIN'T...... They're CARSTEALERS, not Car Dealers. All the casinos in the world are more honest than the CARSTEALERS. It's sad that so many people get screwed when buying a car. Read the above 2 postings. Good Luck.
I find nthe's post #1724 of 1/30/05 at 7:50 am offensive, off topic and personal.
He complains of board misuse and of being personally attacked, but then does exactly the same thing himself.
Can you delete that post (and this one too) ?
Thanks.
And I'll try to fix my email problem soon.
Have a great day. [only if you want to]
Thanks,
kyfdx
(Don't make me call your mother)
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I am the salesman who brought about some of the notoriety this board has seen the past couple months. :O )
Regarding the rebates, the consumer rebate is included in the price. There are other rebates too that would lower the price further such as $500 Owner Loyalty ($14,486); you must have a Hyundai currently registered to your name, though. Active duty military gets $500 off ($13,986) and $400 college grad rebate for anyone who graduated college in the past 24 months($13,586).
So, for example, if a person qualified for all available rebates the Elantra would be $13,586. To anyone living outside Alabama, that would be your final price. Anyone living in Alabama, all you have is tax (some variance b/t counties), and $16.50 title fee.
I post this as an example to show that not all salesman are out to gyp people. But again, not all dealerships are set up as a volume dealer like where I work.
Also, on a side note, remag1234 is right about dealers making money that most do not realize, even the employees. You have dealer holdback, which is about 3% with Hyundai - maybe 2%, haven't checked this month. Then you have your stairstep money, which is based on how many units the dealership sells. And sometimes there is also bonuses paid to the dealership for moving a certain number of a model, ex. $1000 for moving 10 or more Sonata units. There's a lot to it, way more than I feel like typing out (I'm sure it's available somewhere). However, like Edmunds states in their glossary, most of that is negligible when it comes to negotiating.
Does our dealership make a profit off a $14,986 Elantra? Yes. I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But the way we do is based on us moving a lot of units, which we do.
Besides, this board is about prices, and I want to help people make sure they don't get ripped because I've been there so I try to educate and inform folks so they can have better negotiating power, more control at a traditional dealership, and get their best price wherever they're shopping at!
Oh, and if anyone would like to know what the actual dealer invoice price is on the paper post what vehicle you are looking at and I can look it up online.
All Hyundai dealers can see what each other has in stock and pull invoice.
Just post dealership name and city, and the last few digits of the VIN along with what the dealer is telling you and and I can look up the car your on.
Thank you all, and goodnite!
Has anyone heard of the sealant package being a useful thing? Should I go back to the dealer and request it? :confuse:
Now, if the sealant includes a lifetime warranty against paint chipping (with free repairs), then that might be worth something.
The package did come with a quasi warrenty. The guy said, "That way you won't have to worry about waxing your car for 2 years." However there wasn't anything in writing about the 2 years so I was a little bit leery. I had a Saturn before this and it kept its finish without any help for all 10 years - but it was also plastic, not metal.
BTW, oral warranties are extremely difficult to make a claim against. Unless they were made by someone who is very honest, has a great memory, is still around when you have a claim, and will stick up for you with the dealership. In other words... don't count on it.
I'm not sure of this but I believe that most if not all cars now come with a CLEAR COAT over the paint. Obviously this is a sealant. You should call and check with the Hyundai Home Office, look in your manual for the number. It's really sad that the Car [D]Stealers are such slimebags. Not all of them, but a majority.
After checking, please post the results to this board. If the dealer lied to you, post the dealers name.
It's a rip-off.
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/02/27/200702270014.asp
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/02/27/200702270014.asp
Try another dealer. There are dealers, like those in my area, discounting the Elantra now, plus you would qualify for at least $1500 in rebates on one now.
after having seen your attitude on these pages, i can see why they don't want your business. i'm not sure what part of the country you are in, but the dealers around you are not only selling at sticker (or maybe just to you, cause they want to be well paid for putting up with you).
that change was for presidents day...
His post informed shoppers but was probably not intended as a discussion outline for dealership negotiations.
I hope, anyway.
Right remag?