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Mechanic's Tools: Anything and Everything

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  • 0patience0patience Member Posts: 1,712
    Ha ha,
    Before you go out and buy one, let me know. I will talk to a few dealers and see what the best price is that they can come up with.
    I have one guy down to $120.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    I spent some time in Coos Bay a few years back. I remember those folks using the local term "spendy." It seems to apply to IR tools.
  • 0patience0patience Member Posts: 1,712
    Essentially I am being told what I can and what I cannot place on this board, specifically my logo. This is a violation of my first amendment rights. As long as I am not violating any laws, and in Ohio and the United States, I haven't so far, I will continue to use my logo as a signature of my postings.

    Sorry bud, since you agreed to the terms of service of Edmund's and Town Hall, you do not have the right to post what you want, without them having the right to remove it.
    As an administrator of a site with a forum (NOT Edmund's nor do I work for them), I know where they are coming from. From reading the e-mail to you, I think they were very coordial and actually nice about it. I would not have been as nice. The one thing you have to remember about forums, most of them, they pay for everything, it is theirs and you are a guest.

    Since this is an image issue, they are well within their rights to tell you that you may not post them.
    The one thing you have to realize is that images affect load time, Load time affects traffic and so on.

    Bottom line, you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up. So, deal with it.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Quite Correct, thank you. Edmunds Town Hall is private property and Edmunds' reserves the right to set guidelines for posting and to supervise and enforce those guidelines. Not following the Host's request to remove logos or images is a violation of the Terms of Use and all such postings will be deleted.

    Any helpful or informative post is welcome but without logos attached.

    Mr. Shiftright
    host
    Maintenance and Repair Message Board
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Is correct.

    We are actually guests here.

    Continue to use your logo and you will join the ranks of Town Hall menmbers who have been banned from these forums.

    Nothing like slapping a host in the face...
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    ...size spanner does that require? Are they available from Stanley Works? Like that fella in L.A. got famous for saying,
    "Can't we all just get along?"
    [!*>
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    can we get back to the program now?
    it was interesting to read all the other posts.
    now we gotta go through this?...pleeeez
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    some of the last few posts are goin bye bye.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Along with a certain poster...

    So...what's the latest with tools?

    Saw an interesting set of wrenches the other day, I think they are made by KD.

    They are called Gearwrenches, the box end has an internal ratchet. To my surprise they were thin and not bulky. Fine tooth ratchets.

    The guy on the tool truck told me he couldn't keep them in stock!
  • dhoffdhoff Member Posts: 282
    Just found this topic- very interesting.

    I can't believe nobody mentioned one reason the young guys like to go for S/O tools - the calendars! You guys must be getting old!

    Having said that, I must say I haven't seen a S/O calendar in quite a while. Maybe they don't make them any more?

    FWIW, I have taken several broken Craftsman tools back to Sears for replacement. Never once was I questioned about how they were broken, or whether they were abused or not. I love that. Strictly as a shade-tree mechanic, I see no reason to buy anything else, unless it's a special-purpose tool.

    Dave
  • 0patience0patience Member Posts: 1,712
    The ratchet wrenches are handy, I prefer the offset ones, instead of the flat ones. The KD ones are dandy tools, but you have to remember that they don't have quite the strength of a regular box end wrench. But they have a decent warranty.

    Nope, Snappy no longer makes the "good" calanders. You can thank politically correct times for that.
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    know your stuff here, may i ask for some advice?

    thanks, here goes.
    i'm wanting to buy a dual action orbital sander. the one i have looked at is a craftsmen at sears, but they also have the IR brand. is it worth the extra 20 bones to get the IR?
    thx
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    You must be a genius! Why? Obviously because you subscribe to my logic. (:^>
    Craftsman is the only brand I know of that continues to give what is in essence an unconditional lifetime guarantee. They do not ask for sales receipts, they do not disallow wear-out as a reason for return... well, I could go on. Suffice it to say that Craftsman makes it obvious that they have the best deal in the nation for hand tools.
  • 0patience0patience Member Posts: 1,712
    i'm wanting to buy a dual action orbital sander. the one i have looked at is a craftsmen at sears, but they also have the IR brand. is it worth the extra 20 bones to get the IR?
    ABSOLUTELY! Without a doubt.
    Ok, I may be impartial, cause I favor IR over any other air tool.
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    i knew you were going to say that. IR does have a quality appearance as well. going to pick one up tomorrow.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Have been looking for an air driven buffer/polisher. Anyone have any tips - vertical, angle, palm types better than others? Pretty much narrowed down to a Viking or IR314, but National Detroit and Hutchins make some inviting models. Any advice?
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    My experience has been with electric buffing. I eventually evolved into buying a big, heavy one that spins a 7 inch buffing bonnet, and the whole thing looks much like an angle grinder (grinding and buffing are not the same thing, of course). I don't think I would particularly want the added complication of an air hose in this equation.
    I won't suggest what kind of buffer you want, but I will recommend that you use MEGUIAR'S polishing products. I have created some car, truck, and motorcycle paint miracles with their stuff.
    (;^]
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    No, it's not. So if I want to come over to your house, sit down, and start teaching your kids obscenities, that's OK with you because of free speech? I didn't think so. You'd kick me out, just like you've obviously been kicked out.

    Free speech applies to public forums, not private ones.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    As much as I like IR air tools, most body guys hate their sanders. The best DA sanders are made by National Detroit, hands down.

    These can be hard to find. Viking makes the best straight line sanders on the market.

    Hutchins makes good stuff too but for some reason the body guys don't get real excited about thier products. Well built, quality tools though.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Where do you find any of those brands? You know, the era of tool stores did a getup and git some time back.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    www.thetoolwarehouse.net ; www.vikingairtools.com ; www.mytoolstore.com ; www.tools-plus.com ; www.autotoolexpress.com. The hardest part is finding supplies (pads and abrasives). Beyond 3M the only company I've really found is Eagle abrasives out of GA (www.eagleabrasives.com). Stuff is hard to find retail locally for a hobbyist. Maybe I just don't know where to look.

    p.s. thought of 2 more - www.autobodysupply.net and www.eastwoodtools.com
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Oh, the guys on the trucks can get any of these brands. They tend to sell what's popular in their area.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    I'll check some of these sources out.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Yesterday I had the opportunity to visit a high quality, local independent automobile repair shop.
    I posed a few questions to the owner concerning his tool buying habits. He told me that he has the typical odds and ends of many brands, but only two brands make up the mainstay of the tools he and his several employee mechanics really depend on for making a living. He told me those tools are CRAFTSMAN & SNAPON.
  • 0patience0patience Member Posts: 1,712
    I'm ignoring the post from master.

    I would be inclined to agree with them on the tools, but remember that pros will purchase the quality tools they have access to. If there is a Snap-On truck coming around every week, then you most likely find a large perventage of their tools. If Mac or Matco are around more than Snappy, then you may see more of those tools.
    Noen of them come around my shop, so since I do alot of business with an industrial supply, I purchase alot of tools from them. Lifetime warranty, available in all of the industrial supply stores I deal with and no hassles.

    Warranty isn't worth much if you can't replace a tool when you need to. Personally, I used to buy strictly Snap-On and Mac tools. When you need to have a $130 wrench replaced and they refuse to warranty it,that is when they quickly get put on the "DO NOT do business with" list.
    Just my personal opinion.
  • wishnhigh1wishnhigh1 Member Posts: 363
    the point he was making was that this is a private forum, and edmunds hosts have all the rights in the world to ban your speech, and they dont even have to have a reason. It is like me coming inside your house and preaching religion. You have the right to accept my speech and listen, but you also have the right to kick me out.

    moving on...

    I have done simple mechanical work before, and had always used craftsman tools, just cause they seem like the most for your money. But I am now working as an assistant mechanic, and I am noticing everybody seems to gravitate towards snap-on in my shop. What is so special about snap on tools?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    First of all, they are easy to buy. The truck comes to your shop. The truck guys extend credit.

    The quality is a bit better and special application tools are sold that are unavailable elsewhere.

    Prices have gone from high to ridiculous in the past few years. A person can spend over 10,000 just for a big set of toolboxes alone!

    And, a lot of it is simply status and peer pressure. Having a Craftsman toolbox would be "beneath" many mechanics.

    I always shake my head and wonder how these guys can afford it. But then, I wondered that twenty years ago too.

    Of course, with some shops charging over 100.00 per hour in labor, I guess they might be making the money.
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    thanks for the advice on the DA. i picked up the IR sander, and for what i use it for, i am quite happy with it. runs smooth, and give a consistent finish.
  • 0patience0patience Member Posts: 1,712
    Isell,
    I happen to have Craftsman tool boxes, although those are the home shop boxes. I have an Armstrong top box, but it stays in the shop with minimal tools and all of the rest of the tools have one large tool box they ride in. A Ford LN8000 33,000 lb truck. The Snap-on top box I had in it, fell apart from vibration, so I had to have drawer sets custom made for it and no actual tool boxes ride in it anymore.
    I know guys that make alot more money than me and they buy only Craftsman tool boxes, then I know some young pups who make less than half of what I do and they buy only Snap-On. Go figure.
  • wishnhigh1wishnhigh1 Member Posts: 363
    "The thing is, I'm not preaching religion. An analogy: I come over to your house wearing a T-shirt stating, "I'm a heavy Chevy man." Will you kick me out because of that? That would be senseless. That's what I am doing here. The logo I post is my electronic T-shirt."

    You are right, it would be senseless. Nonetheless, I would still have the right to do it. You have no say in the matter. Ok, now that you at least understand the analogy, heres a situation. You walk into a hosts house with your T-shirt on, and the host says he doesnt like chevys and asks you to take off your shirt or leave. Would you demand to stay in his house and practice your 1st amendment rights, or would you respect his property and either leave or change? See, you have no first amendment rights on someone elses property. Edmunds is private property, it is not public domain.

    Why dont you try contacting the host and asking for permission to have your signature and why you feel it is appropriate, rather than to wind up the old middle finger and evade his decision by changing your names and being a pesk. Im sure common sense will prevail in the end.

    As far as snap on tools are concerned, the big issues are convenience and specialty tools, and the drawback is price. So it is like a ferarri...definitely has its benefits, but not justifiable to a large majority. Is there a major quality difference?

    "Having a Craftsman toolbox would be "beneath" many mechanics."

    Thats funny, in our shop we all use the same toolbox, and it is a rather large expensive snap-on toolbox. I find the thing to be a piece of junk, with rattly doors that cant stay shut, and broken handles, with rusted paint. Maybe we abuse the thing too much but I dont think were that bad. So far the only snap ons that I like better than craftsmans are the pivoting head ratchets.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    One of my top boxes is NAPA. It appears to have likely been manufactured in the same factory as my Craftsman top boxes, although the handles are different.
  • dhoffdhoff Member Posts: 282
    I have a question that has been bothering me lately, and I am not sure it merits starting a new topic. Since the mechanics are hanging out here, I'd like to ask you.

    I've been thinking of spraying silicone on my CV joint boots when I change the oil, to help keep them pliable and make them last longer. But I have heard that silicone is actually not good for rubber, and that they will break down sooner. What has your experience been with this? If silicone is no good, is there anything else I can do to make them last longer?

    Dave
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Like you, I speculate on how and why so many professional mechanics spend really big bucks on acquiring "truck" tools, seemingly to the exclusion of other brands. Now, an occasional tool here and there, and I follow. Spending into five figures so you can have all one truck brand-- well, that just doesn't seem reasonable.
  • spokanespokane Member Posts: 514
    "Protectorant" sprays such as Armorall will supposedly keep both rubber and vinyl pliable. I began using it on CV boots about two years ago but haven't seen enough to really say that it has helped.
  • oldharryoldharry Member Posts: 413
    Some are neopreme, some urethane, and some thermo-plastic. There could be some chemicals good for one that would dammage another. A light coating of a "Mop and Glo" type floor wax will keep ozone and contaminants off them. When the dirt doesn't rinse off with the garden hose, do it again. The thermoplastic ones seem to last until something damages them, and neopreme seems to crack the soonest. On mine I just wash them with an old sponge and the soapy water from washing the car. I use one of the professional car wash soaps with wax included. I also spray WD-40 or similar product on parking brake adjusters and brake bleeding screws every time I have the car on the hoist.

    Maybe this belongs in N&V Fanatical car care. :<)

    Harry
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Some rubber products react poorly to sprayon treatment. I recall seeing some rubber "O" rings fall to pieces not long after spraying them with Armorall.
    Where can I locate an economical version of the BIG caliper that one uses to measure across the span of a set of newly installed brake shoes, and as well use the other end to measure the inside width of the brake drum you are fitting over the installed shoes? Just this past week I have discovered that my "age old" technique of tweaking the adjuster star wheel through the back of the hub is no longer a universal solution to adjusting new brake shoes.
  • dhoffdhoff Member Posts: 282
    Thanks for the input guys. I had no idea there are several different materials they are made from. I would assume the ones on my van (Nissan) are neoprene. How do you tell the difference?

    Harry, sounds like you spend more time detailing the underside of your car than I do on the whole thing!

    Dave
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Well, most of the professional mechanics I've been around...literally thousands...aren't necesarilly loyal to one brand of tool.

    They usually buy out of convienience or from the tool guy they like the best. Most have a mis-match of brands.

    Now...they might prefer Snap-On sockets and swear by Mac wrenches or something like that.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    try the www.eastwood.com site. They have what your looking for at http://www.eastwoodtools.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=49012&UID=2001110109471869&UREQA=1&FNM=20.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Many thanks for the great lead. I went to the Eastwood site, and had a hard time making myself leave it! I used to get Eastwood catalogs, several years ago, but had lost track of the company. Again, many thanks to you for going to the trouble to let me know where I could get a brake drum reset gauge at a pretty good price. A person at a local NAPA had suggested to me earlier that those gauges were VERY expensive.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Glad I could help.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    And the brake shoe reset gauge is on order! (:o>
    I also checked out some Ingersoll Rand impact air wrenches at a local outlet, yesterday. I rode my motorcycle over there to make sure I didn't buy a bunch of stuff (hard to carry home). I've got to say, those IR tools are expensive-- but I already knew that.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Would appreciate a note about Eastwood's service and what you think of the tool.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    ...but it will be a while. I took the 3rd class mail option at $6.95, not wanting to balloon the cost of the gauge to local retail. (:^>
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    The brake resetting gauge arrived today. It is an AMERICAN made caliper, of very good quality. I look forward to using it. The folks at Eastwood were really outstanding in all ways. I'll do business again with them.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Funny...most people including a lot of mechanics probably don't know what a brake resetting guage even is!
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Apparently, brake resetting gauges have come to be virtually mandatory, as more and more auto manufacturers fail to assure PROPER AND ADEQUATE brake spoon access through the back plates of drum brake assemblies. They certainly shorten up the trial-and-error procedure for presetting brake shoes via the star wheel on the brake adjuster, when you must elect to set the adjustment from the front, with the drum off the assembly for access. It is a wonderful tool! Thanks again, rs_petty, for directing me to Eastwood Tools. I am one happy veteran today.
    (;^|
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    i thought drum brakes were a thing of the past. at least on my rado's they are. never found the need to throw money away on the resetting gauge either as it doesn't take more than common sense to set the shoes apart just enough to let the adjusters do their job.
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    No one should buy a tool they can't operate or afford, but experienced pros and amateurs can get some time savings from a brake resetting gauge. And, you get the added benefit of satisfaction from a job completed with better precision. It doesn't appear that rear drum brakes are going to fully disappear for some time to come.
  • seeligseelig Member Posts: 590
    but how many times do amatuers do a brake job?
    BTW, are you taking the time do have the shoes arc cut to the same as that of the drum?
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