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George Bernard Shaw, from "Man and Superman"(1903)
If you remember 1903, the only cars available were FORD Model-T's, any color you want as long as it is black. Who says they aren't making them like they use to? LOL!
Applies to Mazda's option packages perfectly. It's my understanding that special orders are not being accepted due to the '04 model change-over. Although Mr. Perpelxed placed his order a month ago. If it did not make it to assembly he will probably have to wait or buy a car off the lot.
fowler3
Personally, I'd wait for the 04's. Since you're doing S plan pricing, the price will not change and you'll get a car with another year of bug fixes under its belt as well as more flexible options.
Boy, Mazda has shot itself in the foot on how they have done options on this car.
- Mark
They had a 6s with the appearance package, manual tranny, and tan leather (I like the tan leather). So it LOOKS like a sport model but isn't. They it marked about 400 bucks off MSRP. Elsewhere on the lot they have a 6s manual with a much bigger markup. In looks the cars are pretty much the same, but the sport pkg car got discounted, the other one didn't.
All the other cars, the options were varying wildly. Tried to find a 'base' car and couldn't. What a crock....no ryhme or reason to the way they are euqipping these things.
RE: post 11101 by combustible1 - with the aftermarket leather, my concerns weren't about cuts and rips, they were more about workmanship issues (substandard materials, bad stitching, etc.)
And fowler3 is absolutely correct - I believe that at this point, if they can't find an already manufactured car with the same set of options (minus the leather), I may be SOL already.
Waiting for an '04 probably makes sense in my case, as I've still got a running, paid-for vehicle. But it's hard after feeling like you were *that close*. :-)
Will put in another entry once I've made a decision.
Never take anything a car dealer tells you as fact unless you can verify it (my apologies to the honest dealers and salespeople out there, but you know what I'm talking about). You should verify option combos the dealer tells you you can get with the info on the Mazda web site.
Your 6s/6i price difference calculation is off. If you add ABS/TCS and Premium Pkg to the 6i, the difference is more like $1350. And you still get auto climate control on the 6s that is not available on the '03 6i.
Personally, I'm waiting for the '04, unless I find exactly what I want on a lot and there's a nice rebate for me. It makes no sense to buy a new car at the end of the model year. The depreciation hit on a new car is bad enough without adding in the fact that you're buying almost a 1 year old car when it's new!
If you shop around I think you can get aftermarket leather that is better tham the factory stuff. Mazda will not warranty it, regardless of what the dealer told you. Manufacturers never warranty aftermarket equipment. But, the company that supplies the kit will warranty it.
Transmission is made in Japan.
Mazda6s auto, silver/cloth, sports, bose,
side air bag side air curtains, compass with
autodim and homelink. I felt great and ready
to negotiate the deal. I told the dealer that
I am qualified for the S-Plan and gave them my
pin number. Thought S-Plan is a no bargain deal,
everything would be like a breeze. Boy was I
wrong.
The MSRP is $24815 and Invoice $22755. Their
first offer is $23600, and told me it is
a good deal that it is $1200 off msrp.
I was like "What the xxxx". I pulled out the
S-Plan pricing sheet and did the math for them. And
they finally admitted it was a mistake and I
was able to make them mark it down $300 below invoice.
I thought it was a good deal but now comes
the financing part. They told me that although
my credit is very good but because I am
a first car buyer so I don't qualify the 2.9%
APR. They gave me 5.9 APR instead. I insisted on
having the 2.9 APR and them wouldn't budge. And
I ended up walking home empty handed, partly
because I don't trust them after they tried
to trick me on the S-Plan price.
Now my question is with $300 below invoice and 4.0 APR,
is it a good deal?
How come I can bargain even with S-Plan? What kind of
games are they playing?
-Mudi
http://www.mazdaatenza.com/specs.html
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.asp?Art_ID=2865
The new 3.0-Liter DOHC V6 Engine
The MAZDA6 is powered by a new 3.0-liter, all aluminum, DOHC, 24-valve V6 engine combined with newly developed electronically controlled 5- speed automatic transmission to improve vehicle performance, drivability, exhaust emission and fuel economy. Improved quality feel by reduced noise has also been an important development target for the new MAZDA6 S.
The compact and lightweight 60-degree 3.0-liter V6 engine with Inlet Cam Variable Valve Timing achieves superb vehicle performance and drivability, cleaner exhausts emission and improved fuel economy simultaneously. A compact engine design with short overhang, water pump driven by the camshaft, and oil pump directly driven by crankshaft contribute to MAZDA6's efficient packaging.
The displacement of this V6 engine is 2,967cc with a 89.0mm bore and 79.5mm stroke. The combustion chambers are pent-roof design with compression ratio of 10.0. The engine produces 220 horsepower and 192 lb-ft of torque with greatly improved midrange torque. Over 90% of maximum torque can be obtained from 1800 rpm through 5500 rpm, which assures flexible and spirited driving under real world driving conditions.
Fuel economy of the MAZDA6 S is 20-mpg city and 27-mpg highway (EPA estimated with manual transmission; EPA estimated fuel economy is 19 city/ 27 hwy with automatic transmission). The new MAZDA6 S meets the ULEV emission standards. Sequential fuel injection contributes to obtaining desirable torque band throughout a wide range of engine speed. Electronically controlled EGR re-circulates exhaust gas effectively to the combustion chamber reducing pumping loss, improving fuel economy and reducing exhaust emission.
Similar to the 2.3L I4 engine, AJV 3.0L V6 engine incorporates the newly developed Variable Valve Timing (VVT). Mazda's VVT controls the engine's valve open-and-close according to engine speed and intake air volume. The cylinder block is made of aluminum with cast-iron liners, and the exhaust manifold is welded stamped steel. Additionally, four camshafts are hollowed to reduce engine weight and hydraulic valve lash adjusters are used to eliminate the need for periodical valve clearance adjustment.
NVH is another area that Mazda engineers paid great attention to further improve the quality driving feeling of the new MAZDA6 S. Sintered connecting rods, short skirt piston with molybdenum coating reduces the inertia mass, and steel crankshaft and clank pulley with dual-mode damper reduces crankshaft vibration. But improving the engine itself is not enough to achieve Mazda's rigorous NVH targets - cooling fan speed has been reduced by 10-20% due to the improved airflow management around the radiator and condenser area. Because of this, fan noise has been drastically reduced.
In the case of the 3.0L V6 engine, Mazda engineers wanted to eliminate "GOROGORO" noise and achieve clear and free revving engine sound. The following features contributed to achieving this goal:
High rigidity cast Aluminum Cylinder Block
Magnesium head cover (new)
High rigidity AL Front Cover with vibration dumping steel sheet (new)
High rigidity AL Cam Cover
High rigidity cast AL Oil Sump
One piece AL Main Bearing Beam
High rigidity sintered Connecting Rod
Dual Mode Damper, which effectively eliminates crank shaft resonance (new)
Direct mounting of accessories (new)
Pendulum type engine mount system (new)
Dual exhaust silencer (new)
source: http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=- perEngineDOHC
The 6 uses a Duratec short block. It has Mazda designed heads and VVT. It uses a Ford EEC-V ECM. The Duratec is a very reliable engine. Do not confuse it with the Vulcan V6 used the the Windstar, and 12V Taurus'. Completely different engine.
The auto in the 6i is a Mazda unit. Not a Ford unit. The auto in the 6s is a JATCO unit. They are a joint Asian manufacturer who produce very reliable transmissions for Mazda, Nissan, Rover, Jaguar, and others.
Get the 6. This auto is built like a vault.
Mark. : )
First off, I don't think any 6 owner put 50,000 miles in their cars yet. The 6 came out less than a year ago. The only unreliable piece in this equation must be your friend's friend.
Gee - for once I agree with you, I gotta have those wheels.
So how is Mazda being sillier than Honda? I don't see it.
The label on the car: engine made in Mexico, Tranny made in Japan.
As the previous posts have indicated, the 2.3 has been in Europe. It is a sweet engine.
Mark.
I took another test drive of a 6i yesterday, and liked it even more. I didn't have a chance to really rev the engine (although I probably shouldn't considering it's still new), but I was more satisfied with the engine and overall drive. When the RPMs hit 3000 before shifting to 2nd gear, I could hear an engine whine that was BEGGING to be let loose-and I WANTED to! I sensed all those great things everyone said about the engines post-breakin, and that car definitely has some potential once it's settled in. I'm stoked. Stereo-wise, I'm cool with getting the base unit, and if I grow dissatisfied with it, I can put in better stuff.
My only concern now is when to buy. I'd like to get one now, but with the options the way they are- and being unsure of whether the options I want can be built for '04- and the fact that I want to trade-in my car before it's considered a year old, I'm wondering if I'll be able to pull everything off.
In terms of the PIO's, would I have to order the car from the factory to get the PIO's installed to my liking (moonroof AND ABS, possibly leather, rear wing spoiler)? And for me living in the Chicago area, where is the Port for this location? Anyone know?
Hope that helps!
One thing about handwashing was that I really got a chance to get close to the car and get to study the more detailed contours of the car. For example, the way there's a little rounded notch design theme that rounds out the ends where the sport package side sills meet the car. Thoughtful touch if it was intended! I also got the chance to admire the paint job on this Onyx Black beauty. If you don't hand wash your car I HIGHLY recommend it for various reasons, but mostly because of the further appreciation you'll have for your baby.
Bravo and thank you Mazda on a great car!
Mazda is offering 2.9% financing for 60 months until 6/2/03, but I wonder if they'll extend this or maybe even go to a 0% for 60 months offer?
I went to a car wash today. The guy who's job was to determine what type of wash I wanted said "Nice car! How do you like it?" I told him it was fantastic. He just shook his head and said "beautiful" as I drove away. I then drove to the "vaccuum guys" and got out to pay. They vaccuum it and send it through the wash and it's dried at the end. After it was washed I walked to the guys drying it and they said "Man! This is cool! Beautiful color! Is it fast?!?" I expalained it had 220 hp and was plenty fast for me...the other "dryer guy" walked over and said "God I love that color!" I gave them 2 bucks for the compliment and drove away, very happy in my Lapis Blue 6S!!
I also took the car for a ride on some Miata roads. Today it has close to 2000 miles and the tires were absolutely quiet when taking some really tight turns. On the same road at around 600 miles I had my tires screaching. Would it be that the tires got softer or the suspension got better? This car gets better and better.
Redfire 6i with MT and sport/premium package, no other options (MP3 player and sport grille weren't available). I had to drive 70 miles to get it, but it was well worth it.
On the way home, I called someone while I was going about 75mph. The didn't believe me when I said I was driving, because they couldn't hear it. Boy this thing is quiet.
Let the zoom zoom begin!
http://www.mazda6club.com/forums/read.php?TID=1593&page=1
I too have this problem along with many others. Everyone for the most part is describing the same type of noise and problems. Mazda says they know nothing about this but yet they have been notified by many of us in the chat room above, including myself. All they did was direct me back to the dealer. The dealer is trying to help fix my car and I have had no trouble with them at all. Mazda needs to get their act together and really look into this. I am thinking more on a safety issue. I can't believe that nobody on this board has not brought this up. If you look as the site above there are over 100 entries about this one problem. If I had known about this before I bought this car I would have looked at something else. I traded a 4 year old Mitsubishi Diamante that never went into the shop to a brand new M6s that has now been in the shop 3 times and still more to come for the same problem. I HATE WAITING AT THE DEALER TO DRIVE MY CAR and I would never wish this on someone else.
games are they playing?"
The S-Plan gives you a lower starting price than the avg. Joe. You can only go lower, and they can't take anything away from you. e.g. rebates, special finance rates, etc..
It's all on Ford's Partner site (must have a valid code to enter):
http://www.fordpartner.com
We bought an Escape on the X-Plan and got hosed on the trade in and college grad rebate because I didn't do enough research. It won't happen again thanks to the info on the above site.
Good luck!
There are not 100 entries on the thread you just discussed. 42 to be exact - since January 27, and several repeats from the same people. Some people posting don't even live in the United States.
You're upset - and rightfully so, but you're making it sound like every second car has this issue - and they don't. If they did - Edmunds would be flooded with issues - and it isn't.
I'm not saying there isn't an issue - but people love to complain about their cars.
And being a new model from a newly-tooled factory, some teething problems are to be expected. I believe the Accord has/had some issues as do many other cars. Check the Accord boards on Edmunds for a comparison - far fewer issues here. Had you bought an Accord, you might have even more to worry about. When I decided to buy my 6 and took delivery, I acknowledged the risk I was taking.
Let's try and post accurate information.
Mark.
P.S. It is a great site for the 6.
Cars are frequently moved to allow for rotating inventory. I was on a Honda lot a few weeks ago, and the Accord V6-EX's were in back by the Buicks! Hardy a situation in which one would think the V6-Accord is not in demand?
You should get a 6s. You would smile allot more. : )
Mark.
Re: option packaging on the MZ6.. I know you're all sick of talking about it, but if Mazda offered EXACTLY the same trim levelsw and packages as Honda Accord, would everyone be happy??? Of course not, there wouldn't be anything to complain about..
I am actually in the car market once again. Someone set fire to my 2002 Jetta while it was parked on the street last week. I saw a 6s at the dealership on Sunday when I was looking around, but I think it's out of my price range (the way I want it equipped anyway). I will just have to dream I guess...
As far as the option packages are concerned the 626 packaging used to be like the Accord packaging before Mazda decided to throw a bone with the 6 packaging. I'm praying the new 3 doesn't suffer from the same option package nightmare as the 6 has so far. That leads me to this proposal: Will Mazda go back to the DX, LX, and ES stuff for the 04 6 or stay with the S and I stuff? I believe it would be in Mazda's best interest to go back to the old packaging. I remember with my 626 floor mats didn't come standard so I had to buy my own floormats. Didn't have much say in that matter though it was the only LX 4 cylinder in the lot and I really needed a car.
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5 Days will let me really test drive it.
Cost; $160 for 5 days with unlimited millage.
I own 2002 P5, and admire it's handling and problems free 32K miles.