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Thanks much!
Automatic
Bose speaker and 6 CD changer
Moon roof
Spoiler and Cargo net
Compass mirror
Side sill extension
Chrome appearance package
and so on
There is also a VIP program from the dealer (basically just free car wash + free road assistance)
The MSRP is $27100 and the outdoor price with tax and license fee is $29157. After nearly 3 hours negotiation, we got the outdoor price including tax, license fee and everything at $19600 with a full tank of gas.
It's almost $10000 off from the original outdoor price. We are so happy with this deal. The only bad thing is my wife won’t let me drive as she loves the handling so much. The engine is smooth and the extra space in this wagon is very functional. We benefit a lot from the post in this board and hope our experience is helpful for you guys. Good luck on your Mazda purchase.
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Randy
Ask any competant tire store (k-mart does not count). 40 psi is not dangerous - bicyles with skinny litte tires go to 110 psi. Stiffer sidewalls mean less tire flex and less wear, less heat, and better mileage, and generally better handling. Ride of course suffers and you will feel vibrations in the steering wheel if balance if off. It is not dangerous to inflate to the pressure on the sidewall when the tire is cold. It may not be the best combination of ride and handling, but it is not dangerous. Extreme overinglation 60-70 psi can cause problems (although some truck tires are designed for these inflations)
Look at the manual for a german car made for the autobahn - it will reccomend higher tire pressures for continued high speed driving. This is because the tires will run cooler and will be safer.
Here is a car going 187 mph running 37/44 cold psi.
http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/POTM/99december.htm
It is not a coincidence that most regular passenger tires are labeled 35 or 36 psi on the sidewall while high speed tires are usually labeled 44.
Most high performance cars have higher tire pressures so the tires run cooler and handle better. BMW M5 recommends 41 front and 44 rear for running with a full load.
Underinflating is dangerous. Of course never inflate above the number on the sidewall.
Probably best to continue this on a tire thread though.
Tires, tires, tires
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(10000 - 15000 miles) Mazda6 wagons showed up on autotrader.com.
Only 3 weeks ago there were only two or three maybe.
Does anybody have an idea where all these cars are coming from?
I haven't, but this may be just me ...
Any input would be greatly appreciated...
The Mazda 6 wagon needs the same reliable 4cyl engine that is offered in the sedan.
Deron.
Is this coming from experience, in other words, have you ever had a Ford 6 cylinder?
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I wonder though, what's the reliability expectation for a brand new car discounted already for ten thousand dollars...
Why Toyota, Honda and all German brands are not offering such sweet super-deals??
Good luck and enjoy your new Mazda-wagon!
Dan
No more than the sedan - the difference in weight is insignificant.
The Outback has similar power and has the added drag of AWD - so it is even more underpowered. Isn't the Outback/Legacy the best selling wagon in the country.
I bought an 04 Outback in June 04 and just sold it last week. It was a miserable experience--I don't know if I got a lemon or what, as I know other folks who are happy with their Subarus, but mine got abysmal gas mileage, had starting problems, and wouldn't run properly on 87 octane. I wasn't impressed at all.
I'm generally a fan of Mazda and I think they are A+ from a styling perspective, but I'd be so much fore comfortable buying a Honda or Toyota and that is why I want to see a Civic, Accord, or true Corolla Wagaon.
I've noticed that most people on the 3 boards are enjoying their vehicles. A few people have some complaints and are persistent in airing them. Consumer Reports rated the Mazda 3 reliable.
I'm generally a fan of Mazda and I think they are A+ from a styling perspective, but I'd be so much fore comfortable buying a Honda or Toyota and that is why I want to see a Civic, Accord, or true Corolla Wagaon.
I agree with you, a Corolla Wagon would be an interesting addition to the lineup. I guess since Toyota introduced the Matrix, the Corolla Wagon may be a while in coming. Have you tried the Mazda 3 hatchback?
If you're trying to ruin your credibility here, I'd say you're doing an excellent job so far.
I had to replace the front tires after ~ 1 year and I did all the rotations, etc. Had a a similar problem with the front brakes. I drive a 96 Corolla. The OEM tires lasted me ~ 5 years, battery 5 years, just changed the rear brakes about 1 year go and the front brakes lasted ~ 4 - 5 years. No comparison. Again though, other then that complaint, I've not had a problem with my Mazda's.
I have not tried the 3 hatch. I am dying to, but just haven't gotten around to it. Plus, I'm not really ready to buy yet so I don't feel like playing the whole dealer game and also don't want to fall in love with the thing. I'm 31 and my personal concern about the 3 hatch is that I'll look like I'm going through mid life crisis. I mostly see young kids and twenty somethings driving them. Regarding the Matrix, I understand that it is basicall a Corolla(Platform), but it doesn't do a whole lot for me in the way of styling. I think if Toyota had lower ground clearance regular Corolla base wagon/hatch similar to the 3, they'd clean up. Both toyota and Honda would.
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Are you the sole driver of your MPV?
Tires: What brand and how many miles did your 00MPV tires have when they had to be replaced?
Brakes: Would you say your style of braking is "agressive", "average" , "mild-mannered"?
p.s. my previous car, a Corolla, was a wonderfully boring machine : no unexpected visits to the dealer or garage except for regular maintenance. Toyota knew how to make me happy by not giving me engine worries, reliability problems, etc.
Regarding your question on my tires and brakes they were actually on the 99 626 which we got brand new. Tires were some balogna skin bridestone junk. Our driving of the 626 wasn't any more aggressive then it is/was for the Corolla so I don't think that can be attributed to the premature brake ware. It is a slightly bigger/heavier vehicle so things will go faster, but they should not have gone that fast.
The one complaint I see over and over again on the Mazda boards is Mazda corporates lack of support when something goes wrong. When I had this disappointing experience with the OEM equipment, I wrote a letter to Mazda. I basically told them that if they really want to compete with Toyota and Honda they have to put better OEM equipment on the cars. A few weeks later some kid called me and apologized and that was that. The tires were also still under Warranty and Mazda wanted nothing to do with that either. They referred me to bridestone and basically went away. Again, I don't hate Mazda I just don't have quite the confidence and respect from a reliability and support standpoint. As far as styling goes - Mazda is A+
I ordered my mats from Trussville Mazda's online parts store (trussvillemazda.com) with some other accessories. They are priced at $50.70 there, which is a nice discount from the $75 MSRP that some dealers want to charge you. Sometimes they have a free shipping offer going as well.
You may want to check on e-bay as well, sometimes slightly used OEM accessories pop up there and you should be able to get them for much less than the cost of new. I can't recommend anything other than OEM, because that's what I usually get. I'm too fussy about the way they fit to buy anything else!
I believe it's fairly standard for automakers to separate the warranty for tires from the rest of the machine. For my P5, Mazda provided the Dunlop Tire warranty card and basically said go to them not us if you have problems with premature wear or other tire problems.
I agree with you as consumers that we need to realize a car is a package with many components supplied by external companies as well as the automaker. If that package is lacking, the reputation of the automaker, not the supplier, suffers in the eyes of consumers.
On the other hand, the package we consumers want is sometimes image. I was attracted to the P5 in part because of its Zoom-Zoom qualities and I would not be pleased if I did not see performance tires on my machine. Now that my performance tires have worn down I will likely buy tires that are more durable (and hopefully reasonably Zoom-Zoomable).
As consumers we have to educate ourselves about the elements in the package and their value. If we don't approve of a component, either say so upon purchase or look elsewhere if it's really important. When I was considering a Camry, the salesman was happy to upgrade the tires on the car if I was willing to pay the premium. On the other hand, now that Consumer Reports has rated many small cars without side air bags lacking in safety I think we'll see several automakers providing this as standard equipment to prove they are "safer" than their competition. And then some will wonder why they have to pay extra for the car.
Last point : it's hard to beat Toyota. They seem ready to rule the auto world!
I dunno- the Camry is a nice reliable, homely, Yawn-to Drive car- easy to beat, in my book. I have both a Honda and Toyota dealership 1.5 miles from my house, but bought a Mazda 25 miles away, and traded an Accord on it. Didn't even drive a Camry- just too bland and common. Where Toyota shines is on the 4-Runner and the Prius, there they are probably best-in-class. Although the interior bits in the M6 might not be quite as high-grade as the Camry, the 6 is a sports sedan; the Camry, an appliance. But then, you're a Mazda owner, so you already know that! :shades:
The 3 is a beautiful car and people of all ages are driving them..it's not as if you were putting a metal wing and coffee can exhaust on the back.
Buy a car you like...who cares who else drives them! The 3 blows the Corolla away!
Would you rather look boring in a Corolla or cool in a 3? ;>)
orangelebaron said:
Would you rather look boring in a Corolla or cool in a 3?
Obvously, I agree with you both, otherwise what am I doing on a Mazda board.
What impresses me about Toyota is their unrelenting nature: if you've looked at some of their Lexus product line in the 2005 auto shows and their determination to get ahead in the F1 race series, you may have remarked they are stopping at nothing. Over one billion dollars spent on their F1 team to date; the new IS is going to be stunning and some of their other models are outrageous. And where Lexus goes, the pedestrian line of Camry and Corolla will follow. In other words, Toyota has heard the charge of being "boring" and has snapped into action. The Matrix and Scion tC are early examples; in a few years we will be using a new vocabulary when we talk about the mundane Camry and Corolla. That is one reason, I think, other automakers like Mazda have to continue to be ingenious and bring new products to market, otherwise they will be left in Toy dust.
And, 96Corolla mentioned he was afraid of looking like a mid-life crisis guy at age 31 for buying a 3? Don't be concerned- I'm 49 and drive a Volcanic Red 6S w/spoiler, sport kit, sunroof, etc and beyond my mid-life crisis (well, mostly). I say to anyone who suggests that to me : :P !- when you start making the payment, you can suggest what I should be driving! :shades:
True enough. Now that Mazda is part of the Ford family, I wonder if they may have some cushion. You've got to be a big player to survive in the big league.
when you start making the payment, you can suggest what I should be driving!
I like that, have you copyrighted it, yet?
Last point, I'm not sure that being in the ford family helps Mazda. For me personally, it is a negative. Right or wrong, there are folks that believe in Japanese reliability and any relationship to an American car is seen as a risk. Again, I'm not claiming to be right on the subject and saying it definately IS a negative. What I am saying is that some folks do/will percieve it as a negative because they'd NEVER buy a Ford.
This is interesting because the reality is moving faster than our perceptions. Consumer Reports has been reporting that the reliability of American cars (like the new Cadillac CTS) are catching up to the Japanese. It's Mercedes and other European brands that have the most issues regarding reliability. Wouldn't most of us think Mercedes as being more reliable than Ford? Well, according to CR, one of the most reliable new cars is not a Mercedes but a Ford, the new Mustang which had a problem rate of 5 problems per 100 cars "on a par with the best from Toyota and Honda". Compare that to the Mercedes E (with 30 problems per 100).
Let's hope that competition drives all the automakers to make better products. Those who can not pass the test should make room for the others. And those who make an honest effort, like Cadillac and Ford, will hopefully be recognized.
The best the salesman could do was $22500 out the door (our tax rate is 8.25), so that's about 21K including the rebate.
Do you think that was a good deal or not?
Not mine! Just got back from a road trip last night, and I somehow managed 27.8 MPG over 1300+ miles! That's not a mistake either, because I calculated it 3 times in disbelief. Most of that was highway driving, but I used the A/C for about 1/4 of the distance, and there was plenty of weight in the car too. I'm close to 6K miles on the odometer now. Before the trip my mileage was usually between 19-24 MPG, closer to 24 since temperatures have increased this spring.
BTW, I loved my 626 too (a '00 LX-V6). The styling may have been a bit bland and it didn't have a lot raw power but it was quick enough for me with the MT and it handled better than anything else I could afford.
"Not mine! Just got back from a road trip last night, and I somehow managed 27.8 MPG over 1300+ miles!"
For a car the size of the 6, 27.8 for all highway is not that great. The much larger and more powerful Avalon is EPA rated at 31 highway to the 27 of the Mazda 6. 27 is still minivan territory (and worse than some V-8's)
I do hope this is addressed - hopefully with a 4-cylinder version or even an efficient 6. Of course a diesel would be great as well.
What kind of mpg are you expecting from a wagon like the Mazda6?
It may be argued that the intention of a wagon design is to carry more cargo and the heavier load requires a bigger engine. Do you think that a 4 cylinder wagon would be perceived as being underpowered?
I suspect that wagons are a niche market, and having variants (4 cylinder and 6 cylinder) may not always be cost-effective for an automanufacturer so they choose the model they judge would be most well-received in the marketplace. Does anyone know what the ratio of the US sales of the Mazda6 wagons are to the total Mazda 6 lineup?
I'll agree that relative to everything else out there on the road, the Mazda6 mileage is not that great. However, there isn't another wagon of similar price and size sold in the US that does a whole lot better. My wife has an Outback with the H4, and it does a bit better on the highway at 28-30MPG, but isn't nearly as much fun to drive and does tend to bog down on hills when it's loaded with people and luggage. I bought the Mazda6 expecting sub 30MPG mileage, but as a trade off for better handling (among other things) than the competition.