You don't believe a reputable news organization like the Houston Chronicle to verify a story before printing it, and believe that Pennzoil will buy a liar a brand new truck, but that toymota was telling you the truth when they said your tindra was full size? ROFLMAO!
The LS1 has been used in the 345 hp C5 (Corvette) since 1997, and in the F-bodys (Camaro+Firebird)since 1998. I think you'll agree GM has been building V8's a few years longer, although you can thank Henry Ford for inventing it.
...in one of the other magazines where the Chevy out accelerated the smaller tindra.
And the LM7 truck engine IS the LS1 in most important details, like bore centers, heads, non-siamese cylinders, revised firing order. Where it differs, cast iron block instead of aluminum block used on cars.
As I've stated before, 0-60 testing is flawed in any case because they use a 5th wheel (not the kind you tow). Two cars can have identical 0-60 times, but one is in front of the other. Consumer Reports wouldn't have a clue about this. 1/4 mile runs used to be much more telling, since it measures time to a distance, but nowadays they use the fifth wheel to simulate that also. But as you've found, you can't beat a Silverado off the line with your tindra unless he's not racing you.
You guys can't really believe this article is true! C'mon - a guy drives his truck 800 miles a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year! Please tell me that you are not naive enough to believe this HOAX!
This means that this guy worked 25 hrs. overtime every week for 5 years! He only had two weeks off each year for 5 years! When did he have time to change oil? When did he have time to have 4 transmissions replaced? 16 sets of tires?
So how did this imaginary Chev owner drive 13hrs. a day for 5 years? How did he manage to average 80mph for 5 years?
I am beginning to see why the Chev pack does not have a problem with this story. They bought Chevies because they thought they were the best 1/2 ton. Man, did they get taken!
>Bama- why are you having such a problem with this whole thing? <
It's a stark reality check for them. All they CAN do, if not face up to the facts, is to try and smear the reputation of the Houston Chronicle, with probably a million daily circulation, and Pennzoil giving the owner a $30,000 new truck. These diehard toymota lovers have been living in denial, and are now raging with envy.
I wanted to read an article about 1,000,000 miles and it's the same cry baby Toy owners trying to convince theirselves that the Rube wasn't right....."Tundra Equals less truck for more buck"
Quit crying and get a full size truck and enjoy life...
same crap from the toy boys....different topic...
...and why is 80 MPH so unreal to you? I just did 90 all the way home (245) miles yesterday and do over 80mph every day to work.....
Can a Tindra not do that?...what does it say on the speedo after 60?.."BANG"??
You didn't spell it out so he couldn't understand it. Commercial Truck Drivers(in N.Y. State at least) can drive no more than 10 hours a day but they can work up to 15 hours a day. That would account for loading & unloading. They must have 8 hrs off duty before driving again. I don't know the requirements of a commercial drivers license in other states but I imagine it's the same, and besides you don't need a commercial driver license to drive a pick-up truck, at least in NY.
My take on this guy is he had a specific route to cover daily for his employer and he did it thus accumulating the mileage he did. Maybe he was self employed and he was a sub-contractor to the magazine company, the variables are numerous but the mileage was documented.
You guys can't really believe this article is true! C'mon - a guy drives his truck 800 miles a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year! Please tell me that you are not naive enough to believe this HOAX!
So that leaves two days unaccounted for per week. Are we assuming that he leaves the truck at home and garaged for these two days? Using 7 days, seems to me that it is closer to 575 miles per day. Is that better?
I don't know whether it is a hoax or not. But I really don't care. I have no expectations of my Duramax going 1,000,000 miles. I average 25 miles for every engine hour. So that would mean 40,000 engine hours on a diesel that is being worked without a rebuild. It aint gonna make it for me. Now if my average speed was 65 MPH, then it would be 15,000 engine hours, this would be more in the realm of possibility. If I can get 250,000 miles out of my truck, that would be 10,000 engine hours, which is more than enough for my satisfaction for a diesel engine on the farm. Very few diesels in tractors on our farm make it 5000 hours without an overhaul.
There's a guy named "Broker" on the Pickuptruck.com site already with 174,000 miles on his Dmax. Says it's almost all heavy duty towing, car haulers I believe, something like 3 at a time. Said he rebuilt his rear end, due to particles in the oil.
As I said before, here's a list of who would have to be in on this if it were a lie:
1. The owner of the truck. 2. The magazine distributor. 3. The magazine's publisher, along with their lawyers and accountants. 4. All the guys down at the lube shop that lied for him. 5. The credit card company that falsified receipts, bills or invoices for oil changes and repairs. 6. The reporter who wrote the story. 7. His editor who read and approved the story for publication, even though he knew it was a lie. 8. The Knight Ridder/Tribune news service, a national news organization. 9. Nationally-known web sites like Edmunds.com. 10. The Penzoil people who bought him a new truck. 11. The guys in the lab. 12. His wife. (Would LOVE to know how he got her to go along with it!)
Does Bama-lama-ding-dong REALLY think that this many people would agree to lie about a truck?
Is he sooooo paranoid about his TOYota that he can't accept the idea that anyone could possibly have a truck as good or better than his?
If Chevy trucks are so inferior, why is a TOYota owner even reading our lies??? Scared, perhaps?
I haven't seen anyone this dilluted since Bill Clinton thought we were beleiving his never-ending lies!
more like fiction.....I have yet to see any Tundra in a work situatuion......much less used on a farm...much less even in a bar parking lot where the workers go!
I'm glad to see that you have joined the ranks of the gullible.
I'm sure that you believe ALL of the space alien stories published by the National Enquirer. (If it wasn't true, how could they publish it?)
I'm glad to see that you also believe in the Easter Bunny and tooth fairy. Please don't tell Quad about Santa Clause though - it would kill him.
This story was posted by the Houston Chronicle. Did the liar (I mean driver) of the "miracle pickup" live in Houston? NO! DOHHH!
Pennzoil is making lots of money by inferring that their motor oil somehow contributed to this miracle. Where are they located? HOUSTON! DOHHH!
Do you think a couple of good ol' boys in Houston may have concocted this story? NAAAAHHH!
If nothing else you guys are very entertaining. I have some Real Estate in Brooklyn that I am sure you guys would be interested in. Just post your email address and I will get in touch with you.
and if Bama can't get his entertainment on his own board he has to come to others for a platform to stand on. Go figure, a tundra owner consuming himself in rhetoric on a Chevy site.
Hell, I'll by that bridge since I'm only a couple hours away from it, that way all the toll keepers will be instructed to redirect all toymoto owners to take the lower level under the river and double the tolls.
Let's see...in light of bama-lama-ding-dong's discovery that Penzoil and the Houston Chronicle are both in Houston and therefore are 'in' on this conspiracy, let's rack up some more conspiracy theories that need to be uncovered:
1. George Bush is in Washington...the terrorists bombed the Pentagon across the river from Washington....therefore, Bush is a terrorist!
2. The terrorists bombed the WTC in New York....lots of stars performed at a benefit in New York....therefore all celebrities support terrorism!
3. (Back to the Chevy topic) Chevy trucks occasionally need service....Chevorlet dealers sell trucks AND have service departments....therefore Chevy dealers are intentionally destroying Chevrolet trucks in their service departments in order to sell more trucks!
3. Las Vegas is in the desert...Roswell is in the desert.....aliens landed at Roswell...therefore Las Vegas card dealers are really aliens!
Anyone else have any conspriacy theories that bama-lama needs to know about???
on the kinds of repair and maintenance this truck needed to go 1,000,000 miles? Was the only thing left original on the truck the engine block and bumper?
"Go figure, a tundra owner consuming himself in rhetoric on a Chevy site."
Consuming myself? Naaah. This really has nothing to do with Toyota vs. Chev. This topic is whether you believe this guy could put 200,000 miles a year on a Chev for 5 years straight and whether any Chev engine could last a million miles without several major rebuilds.
Chevy has been pretty silent. Could it be that they know what a load of male bovine feces this story is?
This is a Chevy site? I thought that anyone could read this site (and post to it).
could have gone a million miles had it been rebuilt from the ground up numerous times. Heck, a Ford Edsel could go 3 million miles if you're willing to keep rebuilding the stupid thing.
"Naahhh! - It is really entertaining me. It just goes to prove that if you tell people a big enough lie - they will believe it".
So in your own words you've been lying to us all along, you don't really own a Tundra your just telling us the "Big Lie", I thought so, so easy to be all you can be behind a computer screen!
well one plus is you won't have to replace all the body panels due to rust like you would wiht a toyota. and I think the toyota people are upset because they can't understand how a truck could go 1,000,000 miles without a headgasket replacement every 30,000 miles like their trucks need.
you don't see rusted Chevys because they don't last long enough to rust, and a bad headgasket is the least of your worries because after 30K miles you're already looking at a complete overhaul for the engine and tranny.
....my 88 Silverado had 156,000 on it when I sold it 2 years ago and it now has almost 200,000.....with all the same head gaskets and pistons/rings....he did service the tranny at 180,000 though....first time for that too
I'm just posting the same kind of garbage (post 138) as your sidekick chevytruck_fan, that's all. Two can play this dumb game.
mgdvhman, we've had half a dozen Toyotas in our family, all without a speck or rust, no bad headgaskets and all had well over 200K miles when we sold them. According to CTF, that must be a fluke too, right?
but I don't want your sympathies. But you should talk to my brother about his Chryslers and Chevys. He needs all the sympathy he can get, the poor guy.
pluto only started posting that because of all the crap you have posted on this board that is far from the truth, you want to lie about chevy reliability to make yourself feel better fine, just don't do it here.
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And the Notech Chev V8 has been knocking around since when... about 1999?
Chevy marketing has made a bold statement that the Whimperado engine is all new in '99.
Consumer Reports found that the Tundra out-accelerated the Chev 5.3L 0-60. Where is the beef?
And the LM7 truck engine IS the LS1 in most important details, like bore centers, heads, non-siamese cylinders, revised firing order. Where it differs, cast iron block instead of aluminum block used on cars.
As I've stated before, 0-60 testing is flawed in any case because they use a 5th wheel (not the kind you tow). Two cars can have identical 0-60 times, but one is in front of the other. Consumer Reports wouldn't have a clue about this. 1/4 mile runs used to be much more telling, since it measures time to a distance, but nowadays they use the fifth wheel to simulate that also. But as you've found, you can't beat a Silverado off the line with your tindra unless he's not racing you.
This means that this guy worked 25 hrs. overtime every week for 5 years! He only had two weeks off each year for 5 years! When did he have time to change oil? When did he have time to have 4 transmissions replaced? 16 sets of tires?
C'MON!!!
Bama- why are you having such a problem with this whole thing? where does it say that he drove 800 miles a day?
So how did this imaginary Chev owner drive 13hrs. a day for 5 years? How did he manage to average 80mph for 5 years?
I am beginning to see why the Chev pack does not have a problem with this story. They bought Chevies because they thought they were the best 1/2 ton. Man, did they get taken!
It's a stark reality check for them. All they CAN do, if not face up to the facts, is to try and smear the reputation of the Houston Chronicle, with probably a million daily circulation, and Pennzoil giving the owner a $30,000 new truck. These diehard toymota lovers have been living in denial, and are now raging with envy.
Quit crying and get a full size truck and enjoy life...
same crap from the toy boys....different topic...
...and why is 80 MPH so unreal to you? I just did 90 all the way home (245) miles yesterday and do over 80mph every day to work.....
Can a Tindra not do that?...what does it say on the speedo after 60?.."BANG"??
Good Luck on this one now!
- Tim
My take on this guy is he had a specific route to cover daily for his employer and he did it thus accumulating the mileage he did. Maybe he was self employed and he was a sub-contractor to the magazine company, the variables are numerous but the mileage was documented.
Ray T.
LOL!!!!
So that leaves two days unaccounted for per week. Are we assuming that he leaves the truck at home and garaged for these two days? Using 7 days, seems to me that it is closer to 575 miles per day. Is that better?
Hunter
I hear the T100's were rated to a trillion miles...and the Tundra is a Ba-zillion miles...
- Tim
See how u r? LOL!
1. The owner of the truck.
2. The magazine distributor.
3. The magazine's publisher, along with their lawyers and accountants.
4. All the guys down at the lube shop that lied for him.
5. The credit card company that falsified receipts, bills or invoices for oil changes and repairs.
6. The reporter who wrote the story.
7. His editor who read and approved the story for publication, even though he knew it was a lie.
8. The Knight Ridder/Tribune news service, a national news organization.
9. Nationally-known web sites like Edmunds.com.
10. The Penzoil people who bought him a new truck.
11. The guys in the lab.
12. His wife. (Would LOVE to know how he got her to go along with it!)
Does Bama-lama-ding-dong REALLY think that this many people would agree to lie about a truck?
Is he sooooo paranoid about his TOYota that he can't accept the idea that anyone could possibly have a truck as good or better than his?
If Chevy trucks are so inferior, why is a TOYota owner even reading our lies??? Scared, perhaps?
I haven't seen anyone this dilluted since Bill Clinton thought we were beleiving his never-ending lies!
haha
- Tim
Good Lie eh?
- Tim
- Tim
I'm sure that you believe ALL of the space alien stories published by the National Enquirer. (If it wasn't true, how could they publish it?)
I'm glad to see that you also believe in the Easter Bunny and tooth fairy. Please don't tell Quad about Santa Clause though - it would kill him.
This story was posted by the Houston Chronicle. Did the liar (I mean driver) of the "miracle pickup" live in Houston? NO! DOHHH!
Pennzoil is making lots of money by inferring that their motor oil somehow contributed to this miracle. Where are they located? HOUSTON! DOHHH!
Do you think a couple of good ol' boys in Houston may have concocted this story? NAAAAHHH!
If nothing else you guys are very entertaining. I have some Real Estate in Brooklyn that I am sure you guys would be interested in. Just post your email address and I will get in touch with you.
How come you are ignoring all the main facts?
Miles were logged
Maintenance was logged (oil changes etc)
Work Records
Bama i got some ocean front property in arizona if your are interested let me know
Ryan
Enjoy the toy......just in time for X-mas too!
- Tim
Naahhh! - It is really entertaining me. It just goes to prove that if you tell people a big enough lie - they will believe it.
Hell, I'll by that bridge since I'm only a couple hours away from it, that way all the toll keepers will be instructed to redirect all toymoto owners to take the lower level under the river and double the tolls.
Ray T.
1. George Bush is in Washington...the terrorists bombed the Pentagon across the river from Washington....therefore, Bush is a terrorist!
2. The terrorists bombed the WTC in New York....lots of stars performed at a benefit in New York....therefore all celebrities support terrorism!
3. (Back to the Chevy topic) Chevy trucks occasionally need service....Chevorlet dealers sell trucks AND have service departments....therefore Chevy dealers are intentionally destroying Chevrolet trucks in their service departments in order to sell more trucks!
3. Las Vegas is in the desert...Roswell is in the desert.....aliens landed at Roswell...therefore Las Vegas card dealers are really aliens!
Anyone else have any conspriacy theories that bama-lama needs to know about???
Joe
Consuming myself? Naaah. This really has nothing to do with Toyota vs. Chev. This topic is whether you believe this guy could put 200,000 miles a year on a Chev for 5 years straight and whether any Chev engine could last a million miles without several major rebuilds.
Chevy has been pretty silent. Could it be that they know what a load of male bovine feces this story is?
This is a Chevy site? I thought that anyone could read this site (and post to it).
So in your own words you've been lying to us all along, you don't really own a Tundra your just telling us the "Big Lie", I thought so, so easy to be all you can be behind a computer screen!
Ray T.
Must be a fluke eh?
- Tim
mgdvhman, we've had half a dozen Toyotas in our family, all without a speck or rust, no bad headgaskets and all had well over 200K miles when we sold them. According to CTF, that must be a fluke too, right?
- Tim
Time to move on guys...
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