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In reading some earlier posts, most people don't think the 9-3 would be shopped against the Honda Accord, but I think the TSX (AKA: 200hp Euro Accord) will be a real challenger. I wonder how much cash-back and lease deals will be need to be offered by Saab once the TSX starts rolling in?
Goodman Automotive Group has 4 Vectors, 5 Arcs, and 6 Linears in stock.
Black, launch package, touring package, automatic, heated front seats, spoiler and sport wheel package.
I paid $26,673. I just wanted to share this with anyone interested. I used the rebate instead of the 0% financing. It was significantly lower than the Edmunds.com TMV, which I found surprising, so I assume it was a good deal. Any thoughts?
What was Edmunds TMV with your options?
So, not factoring in the rebate, the price of my car would have been $29,673. That is roughly $1,446 under the Edmunds.com TMV. It is even $1,121 under the invoice price! I even got a spoiler, which is not an option listed on Edmunds.com. The invoice of the spoiler was about $400.
It was surprising that I could get this deal. They must really be hurting for sales right now. Even after the holdback of roughly $750, they are still losing money on this deal.
Needashave, oil changes are part of the free maintenance program. It is not every 3,000 miles though. More like every 10,000.
Hope this helps
As Code7700 wrote it might not be good for everyone. You cant get 0%financing threw SAAB or GM so you have to go threw a bank. Could refinance it with a EQ line of credit. My dealer said, that the bank they are using for this has a 4% rate. So all this works for me.
Safe driving. I have not picked a color. Have black Mercedes have a silver M3 so it don't know. I have time to think about it.
It took staying at the dealer for 6 hours, and not closing the deal until 2 hours after the dealership closed. I think that they were trying to get rid of me
Total cost, including tax, license and fees, of $29K.
Has anyone else found deals like this? I wonder if this is a rare deal or if this price is what the cars are selling for.
In putting money down in March I included a stipulation that the incentive needed to be at least as good as it was in March.
The car has arrived and now the dealer is saying that the 16" wheels are no longer included but are an additional $435. Initially he was clear to say that the upgrade rims were no charge on cars built before Mar 5.
He is also saying that the incentive is still $2500 not the $3000 listed here on Edmunds. I've read over the posts which have both $2.5k and $3k. Reading the fine print on the GM site they say that the cash back can be from $2k-$3k, check local dealer for details.
Can anyone help 1) clarify the rim pricing policy and 2) the actual cash back incentive for the Linear?
Thanks.
"Represents factory-to-dealor cash offer, which may be passed on to the consumer under the GM New Vehicle Purchase Program. Factory-to-dealor cash offer effective through 4/30/03. See your dealer for details."
I think the current rebates pages on Edmunds is updated as a whole. GM is offering $2000-3000 cash back or 0%/60 month financing so they put the current rebates as $3000 cash back or 0% financing. I don't think they dig too deep. Still, the $2500 falls between $2000-3000 and is better than nothing. A good example of this is the 2003 Grand Prix...you can take either the 0% financing or $2000-3000 cash back or you can take 0% financing with $1000 cash back.
-Travis
Discounts and incentives:
-Suppliers buy Saabs at invoice price this is the supplier discount (http://www.gmsupplierdiscount.com/faq_01.html). If you are a supplier you start negotiating at invoice and then you still can add all the other discounts.
- Launch package discount: $1000 (Only for those with the launch package duh!).
-Saab to dealer cash incentive (For April 2003): $2500 (For everybody supplier or non supplier).
-GM Consumer incentive: 60 month 0% APR or $3000 cash back (Independent from all other discounts mentined above. Even if you get the others you are still eligible for this incentive).
-Saab owners’ loyalty: $1000 (Not sure if still available).
I hope it is usefull to someone out there.
Guust, are you saying that your information shows the $2,500 supplier discount can be added to the $3,000 GM discount? Seems like that would kill any profit on the car whatsoever.
I guess the moral here is shop around.
Re: the 16 inch wheels, I'm hearing the same thing about the "extra" charge. News to me. As I understand it, SAAB is putting 16" (and not 15") wheels on all the 9-3 Linears now. Seems to me that should be part of the base price of the car, then. Can't sell a car without wheels, after all. So what's up with the "extra" charge? I'm going to check the actual invoice for my car when it comes it to confirm what my dealer is telling me, which is that SAAB is invoicing the wheels seperately. I find that hard to believe. I've waited for this car so long I hate for this to be a deal breaker, but I'm perturbed, to put it mildly.
Re the incentive, my understanding is that the 2500 applies to the Linear and the 3000 to the Arc and Vector.
-To answer blitzin 1 yes you can combine them.
-The $3000 is for the GM consumer cashback. Understand that the dealer has nothing to do with this it does not really affect his profit if he gives it (Of course he can keep it and keep your incentive to himself).
-The $2500 is dealer cash, it is an incentive for the dealers from GM. This is given so that the dealers are able to make more money off of us and also are able to make the car price more competitive if necessary. They may choose not to give it but if you are a good negotiator you will get it.
-Most dealers will say that I am wrong but I am not. Look at postings 1232 and 1235 from kyh2 look how much money he got out of his car. If you discount out of his "MRSP" which is about $33,100 with the shipping fee you will see that his final price of $26,673 is about 6500. He got the $3000 plus the $2500 plus the $1000 because he has the launch package. Just keep in mind that these discounts have to be taken out of the "MRSP" and not out of the invoice price (unless you are a supplier)to get them in full.
Good Luck
1) The launch discount of $1,000 was introduced partially to compensate for the fact that the wheels listed in the package were no longer an upgrade, as all Linears had them, and
2) Once the launch package ended (ie cars made after 1/1/03) Saab started charging for the 16" wheels as a separate upgrade on the Linears. There seems to still be some confusion over this, as the change seems to be implemented slowly, with some dealers getting multiple Linears in the same shipment, some of which there is an additional charge for the wheels, others where there is none. This is not something a dealer has much control over- if it is on the window sticker as a charge, then the dealer has to pay Saab for it. FYI, MSRP for the 16" is $500, with invoice at $435.
Any comments would be appreciated
Thx
After writing this board I got the bright idea to talk with Saab directly and called 1-800-955-9007. I got the following responses;
Incentive - The factory to dealer incentive if you purchased the vehicle and do not wish to take advantage of the 0% financing offer is $2500.00. This incentive must be applied toward the pricing of the vehicle. (And is likely do in some part to dealer discretion)
Wheels - Either due to (lack of) supply of rims or tires, Saab was putting the 16" rims on as a free upgrade. Upon stocking the 15" wheels those receiving the 16" wheels got charged for it. What I still don't understand is why this would be a charge unless the dealer ordered the wheel upgrade. If the factory put those wheels on it would seem to me that they should standard.
So after much soul searching I've decided to continue with the purchase. I'm getting a Midnight blue 9-3 Linear 5-sp with gray interior, sunroof, heated seats and 16" wheels. The deal is invoice+doc fee (249)-$2500 rebate. Invoice is 26919+250 (port prep)+435 wheels=27605-2500=25104. They did remove the dealer prep but that was a small concession to the larger port prep and document fee which still bother me. I suppose I'm a bit worn down at this point (I walked away from 2 Passat deals over this) but feel good about the final out the door price for this car.
I'll do my final test drive tomorrow and take receipt Saturday (if all goes well).
(*Remember, this dealer cash is not publicly disclosed and the dealers do not have to give it to you it depends on them. If you are in a place where those cars are not selling well and he needs to sell it he will give it to you but if he knows he can sell the car to the next guy with more profit he will not give you the full 2500 because the next guy will. Still there are plenty of Linears out there so it is not that hard to get it. For Arc and Vectors it is only 1000 and those two, but specifically, the Vector are more scarce so shop around)
that totals 7000 plus off!!!! has anybody actually got a deal like that recently on a 9-3. and if i was a prior saab owner it would be another 1000 off!
i find this a little hard to believe
I'm looking to buy a 9-3 Arc 6 speed with Sunroof and heated seats. This seems to be a hard car to come by, possibly because of the outrageous discounts offered at present. Anyone know of where I could find one preferably in CA?
From reading the posts, it seems that the cars are available, or are they??
Thanks,
Simon.
Some other Ramblings:
Trencher7- the $2,500/$3,000 is GM to dealer cash, not cash back to the consumer. This means that it is deducted from the price you agree to with the dealer, to reduce your total cost. This works out better than cash back, because if the purchase price was $2,500 higher with a check coming later, then you would have to pay sales tax on that money, increasing your overall cost.
Radman12: you said : "What I still don't understand is why this would be a charge unless the dealer ordered the wheel upgrade. If the factory put those wheels on it would seem to me that they should standard."
Are you sure your car was a factory order, versus the dealer simply filling your order with a car he received in his allocation? The invoice has a line entitled "Order Purpose"- if it says "DLR STOCK" then the car came as part of an ordinary allocation, and your dealer matched it up to your order to get you your car quicker. If so, the wheels are like any other option the factory elects to put on a car they ship the dealer- and whatever is on the car ends up on the invoice. If this is really bothering you, have you asked your dealer if he could swap you to the 15" wheels off another car, and take off the charge? Unlikely, but you never know. You are getting a great price on a great car- don't let $500 which is all of 2% of your purchase price ruin the deal.
cman321- the $1000 loyalty discount was March only- in April it is $500.
Simonsez- Every Arc that I have seen or called about here in the Northeast (7 dealers) has been fully loaded, including automatic. This is pretty usual for first shipments- the people who really want the car in the beginning are generally willing to pay for all the bells and whistles. There may be a few leaner models out there, but I would doubt there are many. As the pipeline fills up, there should be more diversity.
Now a question of my own: Of 9 Arcs I have located at local dealers (all which have Vectors in stock too) 3 of them have had the sports suspension and 17" Wheels. What's the point? Does Saab expect 33% of Arc buyers to choose the Arc Sport over the Vector, despite a difference of only about $1,500 in cost (After the Arc gets the $1,000 wheel package)? Seems to me most sports buyer whould pay the extra $1,500 to get the Vector's sport trim, exhaust, seat, and paddle shifters. With Arcs in such short supply, I'd think Saab would want to keep the sports folks pointed at the Vector. What am I missing here?
Are the dealers getting any incentive for selling the car? (Not the 3k GM advertised discount).
Is there an incentive for selling a car with the Launch package?
What sort of discount can one expect to get for a car which was used as a Demo (about 5000 miles)? (Before any rebate)
thanks,
James
Just put a deposit down on an Arc. Got the same exact deal as you (supplier less $3000. Not sure what Guust is talking about when he says both offers can be combined. I spoke with multiple dealers and Saab customer service and they all confirm that only one offer is available ($3000).
Simonsez
My Arc is 6 speed/sunroof/heated seats. It was hard to find one with these specs in my area (northeast). Needashave is right the first ones usually come fully loaded. I had to call a lot of dealers in the area before I found one with that had the car I wanted on order. it will arrive sometime next month. Might want to try calling dealers in CA o see not only what they have on the lot but what's on order as well.
rokum17- the $3,000 is independent of buying or leasing. In any event, you should always negotiate a final price for the car, then tell them you will lease. Too many people negotiate to a per month payment instead of a total cost, and the dealers are notorious for "hiding" the expense of a lease when people do not watch the overall cost they are paying for the car. I bought, but my understanding is that the money factor increased when the dealer cash incentives kicked in, to basically net out the effect of the increase on a lease. I asked about leasing in March, and was quoted .00057 at that time; I don't have April info.
Also got an e-mail from SAAB answering my question about the Aero being available in Europe but not in the US. They claim the Vector is the American version of the Aero. If that's true, then what is the European Vector? Anyone have any ideas about this? I'd hate to buy a Vector and 6 months later there's an Aero availble (I'm an Aero fan if you haven't noticed).
Can anyone put me in touch with a dealer that will offer both rebates?
Castaan 5, you are lucky that you got that car, my local dealer tells me that he can't find an ARC in the entire US. I get the feeling that he isn't trying too hard though, as he wants to put me in a Vector.
I have questions:
Where did you buy from? ( I will call the dealership there)
How much did you pay? ( nice to know what deal they will give)
Did the Dealership give you the 3K off, even though your delivery date will be after the rebate promotion ends? (i.e. 4-30-03)I think that the rebate states that delivery must be made before this date. Ordering a car for later delivery may not qualify for the rebate which sucks of couse.
Buying a car shouldn't be this hard........