Here are some pics I took over the weekend at the Vovlo Life event. That's right, I went again for the second time. The test drive was a blast -- even better than the first time. See my previous posts regarding my impression.
While there, I learned a few more things about the Nav system. Not sure who made the hardware, but the software is by NavTech. As you'll see in the pictures, you can input the destination by a few buttons on back of the steering wheel (includes up/down/left/right cursors, back and enter) or enter it using the remote control -- this great for the passenger (front or back). Also, the system can be voice activated. Directions can be given in male/female voice.
The third row safety has always been a debatable issue. With a 3 year old and another on the way, we love the usefulness of the 3rd row, but realize it is not meant for children in car seats. See this article:
Volvomax, what is the space between the 3rd row and the tailgate glass? MDX has approx. 1 foot vs. Explorer having 13 inches. That said, we love the safety features on the XC90. While we were initially sold on the MDX, but then we saw the XC90 was coming out. My wife went to see the XC90 during the road show and was impressed. We've been impressed that we believe the XC90 is the safest SUV on the road. Sorry, but saving a few thousand $$$ is not worth risking my family...so move over MDX. Additionally, she felt the XC90 looks and feels like a luxury SUV. She couldn't say the same for the MDX which is nice, but the interior doesn't really stand out. It doesn't have bells and whistles to justify the almost $40K price tag. XC90 is our top choice pending test driving the car we've ordered.
I've seen some folks have ordered the 2.5AWD, when are those coming in? Our dealer said those models weren't available until late spring 2003, so we've put our order down on a T6. I really question the HP difference between these two...for those who've driven both, any comments?
Finally, can we just get the laminated glass? I don't see the need and value for the entire security package.
I noticed that one of the black XC90s in skyslimit's excellent pics from Alameda had the 18" Atlantis wheels. In Chicago we only had 17" wheels for the test track (with Pirelli sport tires, by the way. I'm assuming we won't be seeing those on the production cars).
Did anyone get to ride on the 18s yet? If so, please compare vs. your experience with the 17s, which I thought handled pretty well.
Also, skyslimit, did you think the Nav appeared to be worth the price? It looks strange rising out of the dash at what appears to be an angle, but I read earlier that someone said it was a straight 90 degree rise.
I am starting to see posts on different boards (edmunds, volvospy) that there could be delays in the delivery of the XC90. The rumor is 500 +/- of the first run were completely destroyed due to quality issues? Anyone else hearing this? Have any dealerships begun to hedge on delivery dates?
Here in Atlanta, they tell me 6 are due to arrive for test drives by the end of the week. I hope to get more information on customer deliveries when I go in.
gs4rx3, the T6's that were available for test drive had 17" wheels. The one on display had the 18" wheels.
As for the Nav system, it's actually slightly off 90 degree, leaning forward (toward front passengers) a bit -- probably for better view and miniumal glare. In picture it does look a bit weird, but it looks really good in person. And it makes sense to have it closer to the on top especially if you're viewing the screen while driving. Your perpheral vision can somewhat see the road ahead of you. I heard somewhere that the hardware is by Mitshubishi while the software is by NavTech. The graphics seems clear but it didn't seem to have the latest 3D/bird's eye view of maps like some others i.e. G35, MDX.
Seeing how easy it is to input data from the steering wheel and/or remote control, I think it's worth the price. I've ordered mine with Nav -- 2D is fine with me as I'm counting on the voice (male or female) directions to get me to places. Also, like many other DVD-based Nav system, this one can also list out nearby gas stations, restaurants, hotels, etc... And you can also program these commands via voice activation.
Sweeper008, GS4rx3, We ordered a 2.5 and it's coming in December. The dealers had til Oct 20 to change their first allotments for Dec. You can get one, just push your dealer to make it part of his allotment. We are told the allotments to dealers will be about 10 a month until next year when production will ramp up substantially. Most dealers ordered the T6s but they had the ability to swap out their allotments for specific orders and that is what some of us have done with our dealers. Our test rides were on 17" wheels. That NAV screen looked about 90 degree to me, if it isn't exactly that then it's close enough to it to not be readily apparent. We played with it a bit and seems consistent with other NAVs we have had except that the steering wheel controls and the remote are a nice upgrade. My analogy on worth, owning a NAV equipped vehicle is kind of like owning a trash compactor, once you have owned one you always want one but if you've never had one you don't miss it. Every once in a while you really have a use for NAV and are glad for the convenience and the rest of the time it's clearly a discretionary item...
1 I don't know about the room from the top of the seat to the rear hatch, but it is 23 inches from the base of the 3rd seat to the hatch. Having seen crash test footage I believe that there is more than enough room for crash protection in the 3rd row. 2, Laminated Glass is only available as part of the security pkg. It is available as a stand alone option thru TDS. 3 Production delays. Yes there were some cars that Volvo was less than 100% satisfied with. Because the testing regimen was finished so close to production startup there was insufficent time to upgrade these cars to the final production standard. The delay will be minimal for the US however. Production was shifted from Euro spec to US spec. Figure on a 30-45 day delay, so the November cars will arrive in Dec. The poor euros got screwed, there cars are delayed 3 months! Personally, I'm ok with the delay, as long as it allows Volvo to deliver a zero defect final product. Which I believe they will.
I'm curious to know from those of you who have recently attended the Volvo-sponsored test drives (e.g. Alameda), is it okay to bring kids along? My wife and I are signed up for Nov. 2 at El Toro in Southern Ca. We have two young boys (3 yrs old and 10 mos.) We can take turns doing the test drive while the other one watches the boys, but will there be anything to entertain the kids while we're there?
My dealer just called to say in addition to the Security Package not being available for deliveries in December (supplier problems), now the Xenons are not available either (for the same reason). Anyone else have this dilemma?
Plan on your wife and you taking turns with the kids. There was nothing to entertain the kids and minimum ages specified for being allowed in cars. The crowd size is controlled and they really don't have time to buckle kids in and out of car seats in any case. Would have been a nice touch for Volvo to have child care but that would be dreaming. I felt bad for those who had to manage their kids so you need to be prepared to have toys, treats, bottles, etc. if they get fussy.
I heard from another forum that 2004 XC90 will be available in May 2003. Is this really true? If so, what would be different about it? Why would it be available so soon when most of the 2003 will arrive end of this year or Jan'03?
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if you order your car w/ xenons the order will be pushed back. Probably to febuary.
Rumor has it the 2004 will be intro'd in May. Along w/ the rest of Volvos lineup. No word on changes, although look for an upgraded version of Volvos On-Call Plus, as well as the XC90 Elite/Executive, whichever they are going to call it. No word on whether the V8 will be available
I do a fair amount of mountain driving in poor conditions, often at night. For those us whose only familiarity with xenon-type lights is to see the glare of them as they come towards you, how important or useful are they compared to regular lights? Do they provide truly significant improvement considering the xc90 comes with fog lamps? In other words, are they really worth waiting for as well as the extra $500? Thanks.
IMO, Xenons are worth the extra $500, but bear in mind that the Climate Package ($595) is required for the Xenons. So this elevates the addition of Xenons to $1,095.00. The Climate Package is required for the Xenons because in Europe, vehicles with Xenons require a mechanical means of cleaning the headlights, i.e. the Climate Package has headlight washers. This requirement does not apply to the US which is why there are vehicles in the US that have Xenons but no mechanical device to clean the headlights.
I think the Xenons on the XC90 are good since they have a self-leveling feature to reduce glare to oncoming traffic. And once one has driven a vehicle with Xenons, there's no going back.
Question is, are they worth $1095.00 to you? To me, no they are not worth $1,095.00. $500, yes. $1,095, no.
The option, at this point, is to get aftermarket Xenon lights but you will lose out on the self-leveling feature.
To me they aren't worth worrying about. The regular halogens are just as good as the xenons in bad weather etc. Its more a style question, than anything else. I like the look of the xenon. As for pricing, keep in mind that a good after market set will cost $800-$1000. And then there are the issues of getting it to work w/ the volvo electrical sys.
To me they aren't worth worrying about. The regular halogens are just as good as the xenons in bad weather etc. Its more a style question, than anything else. I like the look of the xenon.
This is debatable...others regard that Xenons are a safety item since it illuminates significant better than standard bulbs. However, a bulb such as the Sylvania Silverstars do a good job and can be a good alternative to regular halogen bulbs. Like most people, I also like the look of Xenons but I think the functional benefits far outweigh the looks.
As for pricing, keep in mind that a good after market set will cost $800-$1000.
If you look hard enough, you can find one for about $400~$500 -- these are for Sylvania ballasts and bulbs, straight from Germany.
And then there are the issues of getting it to work w/ the volvo electrical sys.
Just like most vehicles that get retrofitted with Xenon lights -- it's not an issue isolated to Volvos.
The great debate continues Having driven cars w/ and w/out xenons I don't think the beam pattern is inherently better w/ the xenons than a good halogen setup. The xenons are certainly brighter, but unless you live out in the country its not really an issue.
As to cost of aftermarket, don't know about the quality of the sylvanias. Believe me in the long run you'll be better off spending the extra $500 on the factory system. I mean your already spending $38-45,000 for this car, don't mess around with aftermarket crap and only save a few hunderd bucks!!!
If the pricing was based on an 03 and you are getting an 04 than all bets are off. You can of course get your deposit back and buy something else, or accept the 04 at its MSRP. Keep in mind that Volvo is offering free scheduled maintenance for the 04 XC90 for up 30,000 miles.
I mean your already spending $38-45,000 for this car, don't mess around with aftermarket crap and only save a few hunderd bucks!!!
How can you say something is crap when you haven't tried it? And it's not a few hundred bucks, it a full G note and then, some.
...it's a matter of paying for something that is not needed. I really have no use for the Climate Package, so why would I spend money on that just to get Xenons? If headlight washers were a requirement for Xenons, then Volvo should just packaged the Xenons with headlight washers and charge another hundred bucks for it, not force the whole package on someone wanting Xenons. I would rather get running boards or cross bars, rather than get seat warmers that will never get used in Florida.
The xenons are certainly brighter, but unless you live out in the country its not really an issue.
Around Orlando, there certainly are a lot of unlit backroads that warrant a brighter light setup. Xenons would be more beneficial than halogens.
A lot of the aftermarket xenons don't truly compare with the factory set-up. Factory xenons, with auto-leveling and a washing system, are the best way to go.
...that Factory xenons, with auto-leveling and a washing system, are the best way to go. However, the option is not being packaged that way.
Like I said, if one is OK with getting the Climate Package ($595) to get the Xenons ($500), by all means, get it. I'm still debating whether I need:
Interior Air Quality Sensor (IAQS) (one more thing to tell me that the interior needs to be cleaned, great) Rain Sensor (I guess I'm not smart enough to turn on the wipers myself) Heated Front Seats (More heat to add to the FL heat) Headlamp Washers --> this I like
crikey, keep in mind that Volvo does not package cars for one small part of the country. I too would prefer the xenons as a true stand alone, but they are as they are. Aftermarket parts are generally not up to production standards, nor will they work well w/ Volvo electronics. My argument is that to save only 5-600 dollars and open yourself up to alot of headaches is hardly worth it. Save $1000, save $1500 ok but $500? Also IAQS, is a system that monitors the composition of the atmosphere entering the cabin. If the system detects unacceptable amounts of Carbon Monoxide, or other toxic gases it will automatically turn on the recirc mode on the climate system
I just wished that Volvo made it a true standalone option by incorporating the Xenons with headlight washers, if that were the only requirement. Thanks for the good discussion.
The XC90 comes with a bar across the front end, behind the bumper, that is designed to reduce the damage to a struck car.
This will be very effective as long as a prospective XC90 owner does not install a brush/bull bar. Otherwise, it may cancel out this safety feature and might result in certain damage/destruction/injury(death?) will occur to any vehicle/pedestrian hit. I'm really impressed that Volvo even considered pedestrians when they designed the XC90 in the sense that the engine is deep enough that there's a considerable amount of space between the hood and the top of the engine -- more of a buffer zone for pedestrian impact should such an accident occur.
I've seen quite a few SUVs with brush/bull bars and although it does make the SUV look brutish, I fail to see the need if the vehicle will not venture out into the brush.
Hi- There is NOTHING for kids to do! You are basically out on a runway surrounded by cones and cars. You can take the kids in the car with you if you have car seats. THis is a pain though because you are not in the same car the entire time and the kids can only go through 2 of the courses. And you stand in line to drive a lot. I would recommend getting a babysitter if you can!
My husband and I were both really impressed with the XC90 at the Alameda Drive. After driving the 2.5 and the T6, we are going to get the 6. Its seemed to handle better (through water) and it was impressive when the marketing consultants buried it in pea gravel and it pulled right out without slipping or spitting gravel. We didn't get to drive on the 18" wheels, but they definitely look better than the 17". We are not going to get the 3rd bench - I saw a young boy trying to get in and out and he was having trouble (he was only about 5'2). While it is bigger than say, the jump seats in a Tahoe, it is still too small for adults and since we can't put the car seats back there, it would be useless. The 3rd bench is also NOT removable, although it does lie flat. Even though all the cars had aluminum trim at the show, that option is NOT available in the U.S. - only the wood trim is an option. I don't really like it, but if you get the T6 with the premium package, you're stuck. My dealer told be we will be in the 2nd allotment arriving sometime in mid-late Feb. We are very excited and were very impressed with the car. My husband especially loved the anti-rollover course - this proved that the rollover system is amazing and works as promised. If you do not have reservations for the drive, people were showing up without reservations and they were getting to drive, so if you don't live too far, it might be worth it to just show up.
It would interesting to hear what people think of these two models. We can either discuss this top here or on another board called "2.5T AWD vs. T6 AWD" which I've just started on the main discussion: XC90.
Some of the editors of recent publications seems to be leaning toward the 2.5T. I for one have placed an order for a T6, but I'm starting to think the 2.5T maybe a better way to go since it has better gas mileage and plenty of power for everyday driving. On top of that, it's got 5 speed tranny and cost thousands less.
Our local dealer has both models available for test drive. Better yet, the salesman handed me the keys and let me go off on my test drive alone, for as long as I pleased. I don't know if this is typical Volvo or delaer specific, but it sure was nice to have the freedom to go where I wanted, for as long as I wanted, driving however I pleased. During the past 2 years that I've been looking for a new vehicle the test drives have always been a quick loop dictated by the sales person. Not much of chance to really get to know a vehicle.
To the point: It may seem odd but I actually like the 2.5 better than the T6, and that is what I plan to order. The 2.5 felt peppier off the line, but the T6 definitely had more power across various speeds. Both were extremely comfortable - even for a 6'5" fellow! The 2.5 just seemed like a more refined, comfortable, smoother driving vehicle. After more than 2 years of searching, I finally found a car that feels comfortable, drives nice and has the safety features that I want.
My concerns (and I'd like to see what others have to say): 1) Foremost is having a turbo charged engine. How reliable? Can you really expect it to last 100K+? 2) Paying MSRP. Has anyone found a dealer to offer this vehicle for less than MSRP? 3) Getting a first year model 4) Volvo's reliable since Ford took over.
All in all, this is the best vehicle that I have driven (and I have driven just about every wagon/SUV on the market.) I was very close to buying a Pilot, but I'm glad that I waited. I plan to go to the dealer tomorrow and leave a deposit on a 7 passenger 2.5.
took a quick test drive (all local roads) in a T6 today. Very nice ride, real comfy, nice steering, excellent brakes, extremely quiet ride (you just float along at 50). Did notice that it was a little soft off the line, but moved out nicely if you punched it. Also seemed to be screwed together well, very high-end looking interior, and typical great Volvo seats. Of course, for 45k, it better be nice
And, Volvo turbos have been reliable. The way they are designed today, the Turbo should not be an issue if you want to get 100K plus out of it.
Just got mine yesterday...there is a comment about the XC90's offroad competence:
The most memorable moment of our off road test came when we pointed the Volvo XC90 up a trail only the most dedicated trucks tackled. With stoic Scandinavian reserve, the five-cylinder SUV methodically plodded up the trail--not once but three times to ensure it wasn't a fluke. To measure how great a feat that was, we attempted to run the H2 up the same hill in street mode (four-wheel drive in high-range, but without locking the differentials). It didn't make it. No Joke.
I should add that MT finished off the paragraph stating: However, simply putting the H2 in Low range allowed it to easily make the rest of the climb. Did you think the H2 wasn't going to make it?
The XC90 is a competent offroader too, per MT.
Speedvision will show Motor Trend Television on Monday, 10PM. It might be the SUV of the Year episode.
We just ordered a 2.5 seven passenger which we are going to lease. First off, plan to pay MSRP. There are no deals going on right now -- this SUV is way too popular. As far as leasing figures go, here's what Car Man from the leasing board quoted us:
I test drove a 2.5T AWD today at Don Beyer Volvo, and was very impressed with this vehicle. I was able to drive the car by myself -- for as long as I wanted -- and had the best test drive I have had in a long time. (In Northern Virginia, you NEVER get to drive a new car without a salesperson along for the ride.)
I was concerned that the smaller 2.5T engine would feel a little lethargic in such a heavy vehicle, but was pleasantly surprised with how smoothly and quietly the engine ran. It felt much stronger than my 3.0L V6 Honda Accord, and considering the better fuel economy of this model, I have no desire to even try the T6.
The driving position was fantastic. Being a short (5'3") female, I was able to raise the seat to a position where I could see well over the hood with plenty of headroom remaining. I also tried the heated seats, which toasted so quickly on High that I had to almost immediately turn them down to Low. The seats were also fitted and incredibly comfortable. Visibility from all around the vehicle was very good.
The steering felt a little looser than my Accord, but not uncomfortably so. I don't think I would like it any looser, however -- which is another reason I would not want the T6, with it's additional Power-Assist Steering feature. Braking felt as quick and tight as my Accord.
I did a quick U-Turn during my drive, and loved the tight (39') turning circle and complete stability. There was no swaying whatsoever.
The cargo area was spacious, and I loved the split tailgate feature for easier loading. Once you unlock the second row headrests, the seats are easy to lower flat for more cargo space.
This car was equiped with the Dolby Pro Logic II sound system. Although I am no audiophile, IMHO, this system is amazing. Since the car was so quiet, it really made a difference having a premium sound system. If I decide to buy this car, I will definitely pay the $750 premium for this option.
I have driven the Lexus RX300, Acura MDX, BMW X5 (3.0L) and Toyota Highlander, and IMHO, this was the nicest and most luxurious of all of these models. However, I am not quite ready to put down $42k for a loaded 2.5T without first hearing a bit more from new buyers about reliability. (Word of the S80's earlier troubles comes to mind.) The salesman even recommended waiting, since they are selling all XC90s at MSRP now, and I might be able to do better if I wait a few months. In addition, I definitely want Xenons, which won't be available until January, so I have some time to make this decision. My reliable (paid for) Accord isn't going anywhere, so at least I am not rushed into making a decision before I am ready.
Good luck to everyone else in making this decision, and new owners, please post anything and everything about your XC90s. Like many others, I will frequent this board searching for new info to help me make my own decision.
Volvo is the highest quality European nameplate according to the 2002 JDPowers study. The Volvo S80 was rated second only to the Lexus GS in the mid-luxury category.
according to the JDPower's "Power Report" of August 2002:
"Volvo earned the distinction of having the greatest initial quality improvement of any nameplate compared to the 2001 study, nearly three times better than the industry average"
"In addition, over the past five years Volvo's 26 percent improvement exceeded the industry's average level of improvement."
about your concerns. As long as you service the engine properly the turbo will last the life of the engine. Don't forget to let the car sit and idle before you shut it down if you've driven it hard over a long distance. It's gonna be MSRP,or more if you meet w/ an unscrupulous dealer. All of the cars are sold, we have more deposits than cars to go with them and we get more deposits every day. Chase does have a better lease rate, although their qualification peramiters are much higher than Volvo Finance. Initial quality should be just fine, this is the most looked over launch volvo has had in a long time.
I cannot agree with what volvomax said that the turbo will last the life of the engine as long as you service the engine properly. This happened with my former SAAB 9-5 turbo engine. My turbo charger was replaced when the car had only 45K miles, but the engine was fine and well serviced. So I think a turbo charged engine has higher chance for break down vs. a regular V6(or I4) engine.
I was browsing the European web sites for the XC90 and noticed a few differences in the packages and options.
In particular, the European models offer at least two options that I would like to get in a US:
- Aluminum finish. I personally think it is much nicer than the wood finish. - GSM phone (GSM is the mobile standard usefd by AT&T and Cingular in the US). The way it works is that there is an embedded phone in the dashboard where you include your SIM card. You can then use the audio system speakers to listen to your phone.
Any idea if any of these options would be available or possible to get in the US?
I read about the option to buying from Europe, but is it available for the XC90 and can you bring a European model back?
When you buy Volvo or any other European cars and pick up in Europe, you are not buying an European-spec car. You are buying a US-spec car. Unless you have $15,000 to $20,000 cash and gobs of patience, I would not try to actually bring an European model to the US, unless it was more than 25 years old (Federalization requirement is waived).
Don't compare SAAB reliability(or the lack therof) w/ Volvo. Volvo turbos do last, and they do last for a long time. My T5-R had 85,000 miles on a high horsepower engine, no prob on the turbo.
Car is not currently available for Euro delivery. It will be sometime after the first of the year. Only those options that are available on the US cars are available thru TDS.
As for the phone, the reason that there is no Telematic or phone system for the XC90 is that they are going to bring out a new system, GSM based for 2004.
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While there, I learned a few more things about the Nav system. Not sure who made the hardware, but the software is by NavTech. As you'll see in the pictures, you can input the destination by a few buttons on back of the steering wheel (includes up/down/left/right cursors, back and enter) or enter it using the remote control -- this great for the passenger (front or back). Also, the system can be voice activated. Directions can be given in male/female voice.
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Volvomax, what is the space between the 3rd row and the tailgate glass? MDX has approx. 1 foot vs. Explorer having 13 inches. That said, we love the safety features on the XC90. While we were initially sold on the MDX, but then we saw the XC90 was coming out. My wife went to see the XC90 during the road show and was impressed. We've been impressed that we believe the XC90 is the safest SUV on the road. Sorry, but saving a few thousand $$$ is not worth risking my family...so move over MDX. Additionally, she felt the XC90 looks and feels like a luxury SUV. She couldn't say the same for the MDX which is nice, but the interior doesn't really stand out. It doesn't have bells and whistles to justify the almost $40K price tag. XC90 is our top choice pending test driving the car we've ordered.
I've seen some folks have ordered the 2.5AWD, when are those coming in? Our dealer said those models weren't available until late spring 2003, so we've put our order down on a T6. I really question the HP difference between these two...for those who've driven both, any comments?
Finally, can we just get the laminated glass? I don't see the need and value for the entire security package.
Did anyone get to ride on the 18s yet? If so, please compare vs. your experience with the 17s, which I thought handled pretty well.
Also, skyslimit, did you think the Nav appeared to be worth the price? It looks strange rising out of the dash at what appears to be an angle, but I read earlier that someone said it was a straight 90 degree rise.
Here in Atlanta, they tell me 6 are due to arrive for test drives by the end of the week. I hope to get more information on customer deliveries when I go in.
As for the Nav system, it's actually slightly off 90 degree, leaning forward (toward front passengers) a bit -- probably for better view and miniumal glare. In picture it does look a bit weird, but it looks really good in person. And it makes sense to have it closer to the on top especially if you're viewing the screen while driving. Your perpheral vision can somewhat see the road ahead of you. I heard somewhere that the hardware is by Mitshubishi while the software is by NavTech. The graphics seems clear but it didn't seem to have the latest 3D/bird's eye view of maps like some others i.e. G35, MDX.
Seeing how easy it is to input data from the steering wheel and/or remote control, I think it's worth the price. I've ordered mine with Nav -- 2D is fine with me as I'm counting on the voice (male or female) directions to get me to places. Also, like many other DVD-based Nav system, this one can also list out nearby gas stations, restaurants, hotels, etc... And you can also program these commands via voice activation.
Having seen crash test footage I believe that there is more than enough room for crash protection in the 3rd row.
2, Laminated Glass is only available as part of the security pkg.
It is available as a stand alone option thru TDS.
3 Production delays. Yes there were some cars that Volvo was less than 100% satisfied with.
Because the testing regimen was finished so close to production startup there was insufficent time to upgrade these cars to the final production standard. The delay will be minimal for the US however. Production was shifted from Euro spec to US spec.
Figure on a 30-45 day delay, so the November cars will arrive in Dec. The poor euros got screwed, there cars are delayed 3 months!
Personally, I'm ok with the delay, as long as it allows Volvo to deliver a zero defect final product. Which I believe they will.
No reason given, but I suspect supplier issues
Oh well, I suppose I can get it installed later by volvo as accessory or third party.
I heard from another forum that 2004 XC90 will be available in May 2003. Is this really true? If so, what would be different about it? Why would it be available so soon when most of the 2003 will arrive end of this year or Jan'03?
http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000103390.cfm
Auto Spies rating: 2003 Volvo XC90- 4.5 Shields (out of 5)
Says Auto Spies Founder and CEO, Donald Buffamanti: “The XC90’s combination of breakthrough safety features and ‘best in class’ utility is what swayed us to award it our first ever SUV of the year. No other competitor achieves the balance of performance, prestige, safety, utility, and good looks, as well, in this hotly contested category.”
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Probably to febuary.
Rumor has it the 2004 will be intro'd in May.
Along w/ the rest of Volvos lineup.
No word on changes, although look for an upgraded version of Volvos On-Call Plus, as well as the XC90 Elite/Executive, whichever they are going to call it. No word on whether the V8 will be available
Thanks.
I think the Xenons on the XC90 are good since they have a self-leveling feature to reduce glare to oncoming traffic. And once one has driven a vehicle with Xenons, there's no going back.
Question is, are they worth $1095.00 to you? To me, no they are not worth $1,095.00. $500, yes. $1,095, no.
The option, at this point, is to get aftermarket Xenon lights but you will lose out on the self-leveling feature.
The regular halogens are just as good as the xenons in bad weather etc.
Its more a style question, than anything else.
I like the look of the xenon.
As for pricing, keep in mind that a good after market set will cost $800-$1000.
And then there are the issues of getting it to work w/ the volvo electrical sys.
The regular halogens are just as good as the xenons in bad weather etc.
Its more a style question, than anything else.
I like the look of the xenon.
This is debatable...others regard that Xenons are a safety item since it illuminates significant better than standard bulbs. However, a bulb such as the Sylvania Silverstars do a good job and can be a good alternative to regular halogen bulbs. Like most people, I also like the look of Xenons but I think the functional benefits far outweigh the looks.
As for pricing, keep in mind that a good after market set will cost $800-$1000.
If you look hard enough, you can find one for about $400~$500 -- these are for Sylvania ballasts and bulbs, straight from Germany.
And then there are the issues of getting it to work w/ the volvo electrical sys.
Just like most vehicles that get retrofitted with Xenon lights -- it's not an issue isolated to Volvos.
Having driven cars w/ and w/out xenons I don't think the beam pattern is inherently better w/ the xenons than a good halogen setup.
The xenons are certainly brighter, but unless you live out in the country its not really an issue.
As to cost of aftermarket, don't know about the quality of the sylvanias. Believe me in the long run you'll be better off spending the extra $500 on the factory system.
I mean your already spending $38-45,000 for this car, don't mess around with aftermarket crap and only save a few hunderd bucks!!!
You can of course get your deposit back and buy something else, or accept the 04 at its MSRP.
Keep in mind that Volvo is offering free scheduled maintenance for the 04 XC90 for up 30,000 miles.
How can you say something is crap when you haven't tried it? And it's not a few hundred bucks, it a full G note and then, some.
...it's a matter of paying for something that is not needed. I really have no use for the Climate Package, so why would I spend money on that just to get Xenons? If headlight washers were a requirement for Xenons, then Volvo should just packaged the Xenons with headlight washers and charge another hundred bucks for it, not force the whole package on someone wanting Xenons. I would rather get running boards or cross bars, rather than get seat warmers that will never get used in Florida.
The xenons are certainly brighter, but unless you live out in the country its not really an issue.
Around Orlando, there certainly are a lot of unlit backroads that warrant a brighter light setup. Xenons would be more beneficial than halogens.
Like I said, if one is OK with getting the Climate Package ($595) to get the Xenons ($500), by all means, get it. I'm still debating whether I need:
Interior Air Quality Sensor (IAQS) (one more thing to tell me that the interior needs to be cleaned, great)
Rain Sensor (I guess I'm not smart enough to turn on the wipers myself)
Heated Front Seats (More heat to add to the FL heat)
Headlamp Washers --> this I like
to warrant getting Xenons auto-leveling.
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keep in mind that Volvo does not package cars for one small part of the country.
I too would prefer the xenons as a true stand alone, but they are as they are.
Aftermarket parts are generally not up to production standards, nor will they work well w/ Volvo electronics.
My argument is that to save only 5-600 dollars and open yourself up to alot of headaches is hardly worth it. Save $1000, save $1500 ok but $500?
Also IAQS, is a system that monitors the composition of the atmosphere entering the cabin.
If the system detects unacceptable amounts of Carbon Monoxide, or other toxic gases it will automatically turn on the recirc mode on the climate system
This will be very effective as long as a prospective XC90 owner does not install a brush/bull bar. Otherwise, it may cancel out this safety feature and might result in certain damage/destruction/injury(death?) will occur to any vehicle/pedestrian hit. I'm really impressed that Volvo even considered pedestrians when they designed the XC90 in the sense that the engine is deep enough that there's a considerable amount of space between the hood and the top of the engine -- more of a buffer zone for pedestrian impact should such an accident occur.
I've seen quite a few SUVs with brush/bull bars and although it does make the SUV look brutish, I fail to see the need if the vehicle will not venture out into the brush.
Just wondering what sound systems were in place? How was the Dolby Prologic system (if your models had them installed)?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
There is NOTHING for kids to do! You are basically out on a runway surrounded by cones and cars. You can take the kids in the car with you if you have car seats. THis is a pain though because you are not in the same car the entire time and the kids can only go through 2 of the courses. And you stand in line to drive a lot. I would recommend getting a babysitter if you can!
Some of the editors of recent publications seems to be leaning toward the 2.5T. I for one have placed an order for a T6, but I'm starting to think the 2.5T maybe a better way to go since it has better gas mileage and plenty of power for everyday driving. On top of that, it's got 5 speed tranny and cost thousands less.
To the point: It may seem odd but I actually like the 2.5 better than the T6, and that is what I plan to order. The 2.5 felt peppier off the line, but the T6 definitely had more power across various speeds. Both were extremely comfortable - even for a 6'5" fellow! The 2.5 just seemed like a more refined, comfortable, smoother driving vehicle. After more than 2 years of searching, I finally found a car that feels comfortable, drives nice and has the safety features that I want.
My concerns (and I'd like to see what others have to say):
1) Foremost is having a turbo charged engine. How reliable? Can you really expect it to last 100K+?
2) Paying MSRP. Has anyone found a dealer to offer this vehicle for less than MSRP?
3) Getting a first year model
4) Volvo's reliable since Ford took over.
All in all, this is the best vehicle that I have driven (and I have driven just about every wagon/SUV on the market.) I was very close to buying a Pilot, but I'm glad that I waited. I plan to go to the dealer tomorrow and leave a deposit on a 7 passenger 2.5.
Has anyone looked into leasing?
And, Volvo turbos have been reliable. The way they are designed today, the Turbo should not be an issue if you want to get 100K plus out of it.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The most memorable moment of our off road test came when we pointed the Volvo XC90 up a trail only the most dedicated trucks tackled. With stoic Scandinavian reserve, the five-cylinder SUV methodically plodded up the trail--not once but three times to ensure it wasn't a fluke. To measure how great a feat that was, we attempted to run the H2 up the same hill in street mode (four-wheel drive in high-range, but without locking the differentials). It didn't make it. No Joke.
I should add that MT finished off the paragraph stating: However, simply putting the H2 in Low range allowed it to easily make the rest of the climb. Did you think the H2 wasn't going to make it?
The XC90 is a competent offroader too, per MT.
Speedvision will show Motor Trend Television on Monday, 10PM. It might be the SUV of the Year episode.
36mo./12K/yr.: 63% residual, .00375 money factor
48mo./12K/yr.: 55% residual, .00365 money factor
I recommend you negotiate strongly with your dealer on the money factor. Chase has a better rate and they work with our dealership.
Timing: we ordered about two weeks ago and projected delivery date is Dec.23.
I was concerned that the smaller 2.5T engine would feel a little lethargic in such a heavy vehicle, but was pleasantly surprised with how smoothly and quietly the engine ran. It felt much stronger than my 3.0L V6 Honda Accord, and considering the better fuel economy of this model, I have no desire to even try the T6.
The driving position was fantastic. Being a short (5'3") female, I was able to raise the seat to a position where I could see well over the hood with plenty of headroom remaining. I also tried the heated seats, which toasted so quickly on High that I had to almost immediately turn them down to Low. The seats were also fitted and incredibly comfortable. Visibility from all around the vehicle was very good.
The steering felt a little looser than my Accord, but not uncomfortably so. I don't think I would like it any looser, however -- which is another reason I would not want the T6, with it's additional Power-Assist Steering feature. Braking felt as quick and tight as my Accord.
I did a quick U-Turn during my drive, and loved the tight (39') turning circle and complete stability. There was no swaying whatsoever.
The cargo area was spacious, and I loved the split tailgate feature for easier loading. Once you unlock the second row headrests, the seats are easy to lower flat for more cargo space.
This car was equiped with the Dolby Pro Logic II sound system. Although I am no audiophile, IMHO, this system is amazing. Since the car was so quiet, it really made a difference having a premium sound system. If I decide to buy this car, I will definitely pay the $750 premium for this option.
I have driven the Lexus RX300, Acura MDX, BMW X5 (3.0L) and Toyota Highlander, and IMHO, this was the nicest and most luxurious of all of these models. However, I am not quite ready to put down $42k for a loaded 2.5T without first hearing a bit more from new buyers about reliability. (Word of the S80's earlier troubles comes to mind.) The salesman even recommended waiting, since they are selling all XC90s at MSRP now, and I might be able to do better if I wait a few months. In addition, I definitely want Xenons, which won't be available until January, so I have some time to make this decision. My reliable (paid for) Accord isn't going anywhere, so at least I am not rushed into making a decision before I am ready.
Good luck to everyone else in making this decision, and new owners, please post anything and everything about your XC90s. Like many others, I will frequent this board searching for new info to help me make my own decision.
according to the JDPower's "Power Report" of August 2002:
"Volvo earned the distinction of having the greatest initial quality improvement of any nameplate compared to the 2001 study, nearly three times better than the industry average"
"In addition, over the past five years Volvo's 26 percent improvement exceeded the industry's average level of improvement."
As long as you service the engine properly the turbo will last the life of the engine.
Don't forget to let the car sit and idle before you shut it down if you've driven it hard over a long distance.
It's gonna be MSRP,or more if you meet w/ an unscrupulous dealer. All of the cars are sold, we have more deposits than cars to go with them and we get more deposits every day.
Chase does have a better lease rate, although their qualification peramiters are much higher than Volvo Finance.
Initial quality should be just fine, this is the most looked over launch volvo has had in a long time.
This happened with my former SAAB 9-5 turbo engine. My turbo charger was replaced when the car had only 45K miles, but the engine was fine and well serviced. So I think a turbo charged engine has higher chance for break down vs. a regular V6(or I4) engine.
In particular, the European models offer at least two options that I would like to get in a US:
- Aluminum finish. I personally think it is much nicer than the wood finish.
- GSM phone (GSM is the mobile standard usefd by AT&T and Cingular in the US). The way it works is that there is an embedded phone in the dashboard where you include your SIM card. You can then use the audio system speakers to listen to your phone.
Any idea if any of these options would be available or possible to get in the US?
I read about the option to buying from Europe, but is it available for the XC90 and can you bring a European model back?
w/ Volvo.
Volvo turbos do last, and they do last for a long time.
My T5-R had 85,000 miles on a high horsepower engine, no prob on the turbo.
It will be sometime after the first of the year.
Only those options that are available on the US cars are available thru TDS.
As for the phone, the reason that there is no Telematic or phone system for the XC90 is that they are going to bring out a new system, GSM based for 2004.