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Lincoln Aviator



  • mlwlkmlwlk Posts: 10
    Hi georgefarmer: Sorry to hear that installing a new Rear End Differential (R.E.D.) failed to solve the problem of your Aviator's Rear Axle Whine (R.A.W.)! I currently have 6,000 miles on my Aviator and have had it in once already for the same problem. The dealer advised me to be patient while Ford Motor Company tries to figure out what the "fix" is. My plan was to take it in again at 9,000 miles and if they didn't have the official "fix" figured out yet, to insist that they replace the R.E.D. with a brand new one. But after hearing your story, I'm not sure what to do.

    Does anybody out there have any educated estimate as to what percentage of 2003 Aviators have the R.A.W. problem? Have any 2004s reported the R.A.W. yet?

    Has anybody out there been successful in solving the R.A.W. problem? If so, how did you do it?

  • Guess we are in same boat. Our dealer has said to wait until 12/10. Why!!! We have had two differential and they only get one more try under SC Lemon law. They will not let us talk to a customer rep. so we may try state consumer complaint dept. We are really unhappy with this situation. Please let us know what you have found and we will do the same. You can email me at
  • mrt9mrt9 Posts: 6
    I have been silently following the discussions about the rear axle whine. No one has indicated whether it occurs in 4WD or 2WD or both. It'd be helpful to have this info.

    Also, is it something we should begin to watch (listen) for when reaching a certain mileage? (I only have 1200 miles on my 2WD)

    Can it be heard by the driver or only in 2nd or 3rd row passenger seats?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    I have it - 2WD and you can hear it everywhere. It's not mileage related - ours started within the first 1000 miles. I can live with it until they get a fix for it.

    georgefarmer - what exactly do you expect them to do about it? They have a problem and they have not yet figured out how to permanently correct it. Sometimes these things are not easy to fix and even if they know how to fix it they have to make the change and get the new parts into production before they'll have parts available. I've seen Lincoln handle these types of issues on the LS and I can assure you they're trying and they will get it fixed, but it may take a few months.

    Complaining about it won't make the engineers work any faster.
  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    I picked up my new '04 Aviator Ultimate a week ago today, but did not really get to inspect it closely until last Sunday (being a NYC resident, I dont get to see my car until the weekend.) I was surprised to find that it did not have the Audiophile 6 CD changer, but rather the "optional" single CD/Cassette. I was never told by the dealer that this was an option, and it is not clear in Lincoln literature that you can get less stereo than you pay for with the Ultimate package, if you aren't careful.

    I have called my salesperson to complain...he was well as Lincoln Customer Service, which has not been very helpful...yet. I am going to escalate the issue gradually.

    Does anyone know if the Audiophile can be easily swapped out for the single/cassette? The head unit size seems to be the same. Also, any advice on how to deal with Lincoln or the dealer would be appreciated.

  • Ours is 2WD, started the first week we had it. To the fellow who said what should they do. After they put in the first differential the whine was back with a day or two. The whine got so bad you really could not stand to sit in the rear seat. Their mechanic said it may be dangerous to drive and needed to be fixed. So they put in the second differential which I appreciate hwoever the whine is back, not as bad yet but we expect to to be back to the terrible stage in a week or two. I did not pay $40,000 for a vehicle to do this type of thing. We have had it in the shop 21 days since July. They will either find a way to fix it or replace the vehicle. I cannot see why this is so hard. It's not curing Cancer. There are plenty of Aviators with the problem so just have the engineers looks at the defective parts and see where the wear is and go from there. This much noise will leave a mark on the gears or bearings, I am sure.
  • Mine is an AWD and has had the problem since day one. Incidentally, I drove a brand new 2004 last week..also an AWD and it has the same problem. They have not solved it yet. Good luck.
  • avfan2avfan2 Posts: 23 addition to the constant howlling coming from the rear end.....

    does he or anyone else have any clues about

    the intermittent whooping noise that also emerges from the back of the vehicle, sometimes ending in a loud ginding noise (#808,809,826)
    the rear window, styro-foam squeak-if you slam it really hard you can sometimes stop this one
     the metal lid, tin-metal hinge sound you hear if you corner a little hard

    or (here's one from the front-end)

    In the morning, when you put the vehicle in reverse you hear grinding noise from the engine compartment on the passenger side-sounds like the engine will fall out

    does he know how to fix these noises?

    Hopefully, I am getting my track assembly replaced tomorrow so at least the driver seat won't be loose anymore. I am pretty disapointed in the vehicle and only 4300 miles on it.
  • avfan2,

    At how many miles did all of those things start? Those sound pretty bad bro.

    Anyway, I have the same seat problem. When I start from a stop the seat sometimes moves back the slightest bit....kind of annoying. Did they straight up replace the track or did they try to "tighten" something and then it wasn't fixed and you had to return?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    I haven't experienced any of the other problems you mentioned. Unless these are widespread, common problems the engineers won't know about it. Sounds like you got a lemon unfortunately. Check your lemon laws in case they can't fix it.
  • avfan2avfan2 Posts: 23
    All of the noises were there from day one, because some are intermittent I didn't hear them the first day or week. The intermittent "whoooo-up" tends to show up during longer trips i.e. after an hour or two of highway driving. Also, the front-end growl only began as the temperature began to drop into the "cool morning" range.

    Regarding the seat track assembly....I just had them order the part, didn't even give them the opportunity to do any diagnostic work because I live 100 miles from the closest dealership. The parts person I spoke with said it was a safety concern and expedited it. However, the part has still not arrived, so now maybe this Saturday I can get the work done.
  • jmez44jmez44 Posts: 21
    Anyne have any Advance Trac problems yet? My model is a 2003 AWD model. Once i backed down a driveway and the Advance Trac light came on and stayed on for a few minutes. Seemed like a trans issue. Then just recently i was going about 60mph on a local highway and went to get off on an exit, and my brakes acted like ABS on dry pavement. Stop and go type of thing, all the meanwhile the Advance Trac was flashing. It was hard to come to a stop with the intermittent brake pressure, but i finally forced it to. Anyone have any ideas what caused this? Other then this, I love my new vehichle.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    Sounds like a bad sensor or wiring problem. Have the dealer check it - there may be a stored code.
  • Has anyone had any problems with the rear window opening while driving? Would love to hear if and how you resolved the problem.
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    Just picked up my wife's new Aviator - what a ride!! Traded in her 2003 Mountaineer - no problems, just loved the looks of the Aviator (esp interior - Ford really got it right). Ordered it in Ceramic Tri-coat, with Rear DVD player, roof crossbars, trailer package, 40/20/40 seats, Nav system (very neat), moonroof, chrome wheels and Advance trac. Unfortunately, i cant buy it on the X plan, but i felt like i got a good deal - list of $ 53,800; i paid 45,800 w/rebate. if anyone lives in Boston area, try Pride L-M in nearby Lynn - this is my 3rd purchase in 4 years and each time was a pleasure. I'm in sales, but i shudder at the thought of pulling up to one of those turnover stores where 15 sales staff are watching you get out of your car to give you the hard sell! Anyway - best feature on the Aviator - Nav system (cant wait to try it on a long trip). BTW- does anyone out there know where i can buy a mat for the cargo area (big enough for when the 3rd seat is down)? Ford doesnt offer one.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    Just out of curiosity - why did you get the bench 2nd row seats? The 2nd row buckets were one of the main reasons we went with the Aviator.

    Sounds like a decent price.
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    We have a seven month old - and with the second row buckets (which btw i would have preferred), when you have a baby seat installed, you can only fit one other adult in the back seat. I need to keep the 3rd seat folded for cargo, and probably wouldnt put an adult back there anyway. BTW - has anyone out there removed the 3rd seat cushion to enable the cargo area to fold flat? The dealer said it was possible (unlike in the Mountaineer).
  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    I have removed the third row seat bottom. It is simple to do, just find the tabs. Also opted for the second row bench, because with two tots, the wife occasionally needs to ref back there. She says it's quite comfortable (the seat, anyway.)
  • raul69raul69 Posts: 28
    You may have inadvertainly depressed the blue rear window button on the remote either when you first parked and exited the vehicle or when you re-entered the vehicle. When this is done the rear window just disengages but does not fully open until you drive away. This exact thing happened to me. You could even unlatch while your driving just by pressing the this button.Hope this helped.
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    Found a website that offers rear carpeted mat for the Aviator (with 3rd seat folded down) - GG Price was $90 plus shipping - hope it fits!
  • avfan2avfan2 Posts: 23
    If you unlock all of the doors with the keypad (instead of the the fob) the rear window will unlatch. As you drive away the window will pop up. That's how I learned about it.
  • Thanks for the info but we are looking for anyone who has had problems with the rear window opening while driving. Ours is not connected to the fob button but actually has happened two hundred miles into a trip. It will just suddenly open. Curious how other owners solved the problem.
  • Raul-told car has built in safety feature that you are not suppossed to be able to use fob buttons while driving. Did try to open buttons while driving to confirm and wasn't able to-like the safety feature said. Thanks.
  • jb7227jb7227 Posts: 86
    Does anyone know if there is an Aviators Owners Club? I noticed that LS owners have a very active organization - maybe there should be one for us proud Aviator owners out there (maybe include Nav's as well!!) Just a thought...
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    We could add an Aviator branch to the Lincoln Owner's Club if there's interest.

    Steve, Host
  • mrt9mrt9 Posts: 6
    What exactly does the Lincoln Owners CLub do? And what benefit would we reap from an Aviators Owner Club ?
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Owner's Clubs tend to focus more on the car, and there's less traffic by shoppers and fewer comparison threads to other rides.

    There's more emphasis on the owners and pic links are popular too.

    Here's an example:

    Lincoln LS Enthusiasts

    Steve, Host
  • mrt9mrt9 Posts: 6
    thanks for the info -- Yes, I am all in favor of an Aviators Owners Club -- now that there is an established base of owners for this delightful vehicle -- and we don't need to wade through the unnecessary accolades and congratulations for a good deal -- but settle down and focus on issues -- problems, improvements and the like.

    How do we go about getting an owners club started and can we elect akirby as our leader?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,019
    umm..err..I'm flattered but don't really have the inclination to do something like that right now.

    You don't need a leader to create an owner's club here. It's just a collection of forums. Let's start there and see how it goes.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Word is that the Aviator will be added to the Lincoln Owner's Clubs next week or so. Look for a Problems and Accessories discussion, etc. to join this one and the Lincoln Aviator: Prices Paid & Buying Experience board.

    Steve, Host
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