Thank TMLTML for the detailed info about the Camry LE Auto purchase.
My question to TMLTML is: what is the invoice for LE Auto? In his post, it said $18,887.55; but, according to the Edmunds, it is $18,301. Is $18,887.55 the LE Auto invoice in Texas?
Invoice price is $18,301 with possibly an additional $35 price increase (Edmunds listed MSRP is $20,390, current MSRP is $20,425) since the invoice price was last updated.
The $18,887.55, includes the national and regional advertising fees. -$750 rebate = $18,137.55 $1133.60 = 6.25% State Sales Tax $45.98 = Dealer Inventory Tax $50.00 = Documentary Fee $72.30 = License Fee $33.00 = Title Fee $5.00 = Deputy Fee $21.75 = State Inspection Fee ====== $19,499.18 Drive-out
>advertisings with $17800-17900 for a Camry LE Auto in Texas.
If it was advertised, then it's a loss leader designed to bring people into the dealership to try to get that "great" price, and is probably already sold. Only one vehicle is ever available at that advertised price. Customers physically present at the dealership are told it is sold, and are then pressured to switch to a higher priced vehicle. No one who calls will ever be told that the vehicle has been sold, since it defeats the objective; draw people into the showroom. No, they won't offer the same "profit" margin over invoice as the advertised car, on a different car. It's a loss leader. It's an interesting learning experience if you actually go to the showroom, but you won't get the advertised price. But it's a waste of time if you think you can actually get the advertised price. It's not false advertising if they actually sell the vehicle at the advertised price, and one is all they have to sell. While I believe it should be considered false advertising for them to say the vehicle is "still available" on the phone, when they know it has already been sold, they can always say "The salesperson made a mistake. Sorry?". That's what they said to me. I would not be surprised to learn that people at the newspaper where the ad is placed, are the ones who buy the car before the ad is ever published.
Also, the advertised price is the starting point for the addition of all kinds of fees. The customer pays all advertising fees. You can explain to them why you shouldn't pay the fee till you are blue in the face, but they won't budge. That's why I only focus on the drive-out price. It bypasses their "nibbling" negotiating technique.
Has anyone here purchased their Toyota online?? I currently own a 95 Camry LE V6, and I am looking to purchase the 04 version of the same. What are some of your experiences with purchasing online. I'm looking at Carsdirect.com, but am open to other suggestions. Looks like Carsdirect offers a fixed price option that is currently just below invoice on the Camry.
The only suggestion I have is to get a detailed listing of the drive-out price. "Just below invoice" sounds like they are pocketing the rebate, which is currently $750 in Texas. If they are, then they are actually charging you "almost" $750 OVER invoice, i.e. NOT a good deal for you, great deal for them. If they are not eager to detail the numbers for advertising, rebate, and Tax Title and License, well, that should raise some red flags that you are not getting as good a deal as you "THINK" you're getting.
Remember, an online auto service is just another middleman in the supply chain who wants to get paid for their work. You can always do better if you deal directly with the dealership. However, if that's too much work for you, then go thru the shopping service.
On your trade-in, they may lowball you, so get a 7 day quote from a place like Carmax, so you have something to compare their trade-in offer to. It will speed up the "negotiation" of the price of your trade-in if you can show you are getting a good price from someone else. Don't be afraid to take your trade-in somewhere else. I sold the old Camry to Carmax, because the dealer really could not match their price.
seems to get very favorable reviews from those who have used it. I just read of someone who used it to purchase a Sonata, if I remember correctly, and they were quite happy.
The information is pretty accurate and upfront- configure a vehicle, and carsdirect.com will tell you the MSRP, the invoice, and their price, inclusive of any cash back offer. By backing that out of the price, you can determine what the carsdirect.com offer is. If it suits what you feel is a fair deal, based on information provided on boards like this one, then I'd say... go for it!
The only caveat with carsdirect.com is that the actual website allows for configuration of vehicles that may not exist in your area.
To this end, anyone consider a Toyota would do well to first visit www.buyatoyota.com, enter his/her zip code, choose the model and trim line, and then become familiar with which packages the vehicles in the purchaser's region are equipped.
Go back to carsdirect.com, configure accordingly, and there you have it!
I purchased a camry xle almost exclusively online back in May 03. I test drove at a local dealer that I knew the internet sales rep. When I went to get online price quotes from a number of dealers, one dealer site had an option to configure your car and make an offer. My car with options invoiced for 22,300 (this tracked edmunds invoice price exactly, with no SET or TDA fees added in). So I offered 22K and I get the rebate. That dealer took my offer. I tried to get the dealer that I test drove to go lower or even match that price and they would not (i was trying to give the test drive dealer the business since he had spent the time with me).
I ordered the car and was waiting for some surprise, but the surprise was on me. Everything went smoothly and exactly according to the prices that I was quoted. Even F&I was quick and painless.
advertisings with $17800-17900 for a Camry LE Auto in Texas.
Sounds a little high to me. In SE, camry LE auto with no options is around 17K, sometimes as low as 16.5K. Last summer I saw the same car in Fl area advertised for 15.5K after 1K rebate, so selling price was 16.5K. YMMV.
I'm special ordering a 2004 Camry SE 4cyl with ABS and Side Air bags (No ABS in TX on 4 Cyl). My price is ~ $20K, drive-out is ~ $22K. Seems OK.
However, the dealer will want me to sign an Arbitration Agreement. Has anyone else experienced this? Other than walking out, any other options? Opinions?
People earlier were claiming they could buy the basic Camry LE for just 15,000. What dealership are you talking about? You can also email me : shiox2004@yahoo.com
Arbitration Agreements from Vandergriff Toyota and from Toyota of Ft. Worth both in DFW area, TX.
Don Davis, Texas Toyota, Toyota of Ft. Worth had various newspapers offers of Camry LE for ~ $16K. I don't guarantee that those deals would be available when a buyer appears.
These claims and advertisements in newspapers are false and it is only a way to draw people into the dealerships. I once fell for such an ad for a 2004 Corrolla CE 5 speed which was advertised for $ 10,500/- (1 at this price) I showed up at the dealership at 9:00 am which is the time they opened that day and I walk in the sales people behave in a very strange manner. One salesman comes upto me and asks me whether I am paying cash or credit and I tell him cash and another guy comes upto me and tells me the vehicle is sold as people camp overnight and there was a lady before us who bought it. The salesman also mentions that if you were looking to finance then they probably would have been more interested and asked me how good my credit is. The bottom line of the story is such practices are rampant, unfair and unethical and there should some regulatory body who takes actions against dealer who make such false advertisements. This incident took place at Keyes Toyota in Van Nuys, CA last august. It just surprises me as to how these guys remain in business indulging in such practices and they continue with this BS every week.
I don't think that is always true.... my parent purchased a base 03 camry LE last year from carson toyota (in LA) for advertised 14995 and about 16.5 out the door. They had 5 advertised every two weeks and as far as I know, they sold 5 every other at that price... I'm not sure how, I was wondering if somebody could tell me how they can discount them that much... There was a 1000 rebate at the time, but even without it, the price would be 15995, which is way under invoice
"Before considering buying a Camry SE take it for a good ride. The rear suspension is VERY BOUNCY, I am told this is because of the strut suspension"
The Camry SE has a slightly more sportily tuned version of the SAME suspension that is offered in the LE/XLE. Its a bit firmer, but bouncy- it is not. As I said, its the same MacPherson setup, just tuned slightly more aggressively.
Also, daveyo- Carson Toyota has some of the most agressive offers of any I have EVER seen. I dont think you will find 15,000 Camrys anywhere else in the country, at least not with "no strings attacthed".
I live in Ft. Lauderdale, Fl and have been given a quote of $21,800 (need to add ttt) for an XLE with the Premium Package, no sunroof. How does that sound?
Where in Ft. Lauderdale do you live? We have bought 1 Camry from King on Federal Highway in Lighthouse Point, and the other from Al Hendrickson in Coconut Creek. They were both about the same in the buying experience, but if I had to do it over again, I'd go with King.
in june 03 I bought an xle 4 cyl with premium pkg, side airbags, heated seats and floor mats for $22,150 +TTL and I got a $1000 rebate on top of that. My OTD was 23.5K - 1K rebate = 22.5K.
This was in Ga. I just checked edmunds. Invoice for your car in my area is 21,700 and a $500 rebate. So you should be closer to 21,000 IMHO. Good luck.
I would imagine that since the SEs are harder to find, and therefore less readily in inventory, the dealer would tell a potential customer pretty much ANYTHING to detract interest, and refocus the desire for the customer to purchase the more softly sprung LE/XLE, since thats what most dealers have plenty of on their lots.
Dont believe everything a salesman or dealer says-a genuinely nice guy that my aunt recently got an 04 Civic from at an OUTSTANDING price truly believed the car had a 5 speed automatic transmission. The Accord does. The Civic absolutely does not. So even when they're being honest, they can still be wrong.
You find the suspension harsh compared to what other sporty models? I've driven an SE 4 and the new 3.3L V6, neither felt "harsh". Certainly, I prefer the ride of the Accords and Camry SEs of the world. The Altima is a bit rougher than either, IMO.
I have my SE (4 cyl) since last June. I replaced my wife's Accord with this. I occasionally drive the Camry. I feel the ride is good except bumpy ride on city streets with potholes, crack and uneven pavements. It rides very smooth on highway. I picked the SE because it looks great with fog lights, spoiler, sunroof and 16" wheels, plus lunar mist is my our favor color.
BTW, I only believe what I found from car manufacturers, sales brochures, and internet research. I always did my homework before hitting the showroom.
It is a 2003 Camry SE, auto, 4 cyl, sunroof, spoiler, 16" alloy wheels, ABS and trunk & floor mats. I have no leather or side airbags. I paid $20K before MA tax and fees. I believe it was a fair price back in June. I think it would be $1500 to $2000 more for V6 with same equipments. But my wife just wanted this. I took no rebate but 0% APR.
What equipments that you have on yours beside ABS and sid airbags? $20K is good if you have the same options like mine plus side airbag. What is arbitration agreement? I am new to this and I didn't sign anything like this.
I have seen many SEs around. I think this is a second most popular model of Camry beside LE 4 cyl.
For those who responded to my initial post, please accept my apologies for not getting back to you earlier.
Sandman46, I live in Davie. I have never been to the locations you mentioned. Have visited Toyota of Hollywood, would never buy from them. I will check the locations you mentioned. Thank you.
Masspector, I just checked Edmunds for my area and it came up with $22,272 minus $500 rebate final total is $21,772. It would seem that the $21,800 is legit. Thank you for the response.
Al Hendrickson is at Sample Rd. and 441 and King is on Federal Highway up in Lighthouse Point. I would definitely try both places and go from there. I also hear that Kendall Toyota has some good prices. Let me know how it all plays out!
Go for it. Camry V6 for 20 grand is great. That's almost $3000 off base MSRP. Don't waste your time on this board. Get it now!!!! It doesn't get any better than this.
Purchased fully loaded '04 XLE V6 in Jan. '04. Paid slightly below invoice , at $25,000, plus additional $750 off for rebate. Great car. This was from Sloane Toyota in Devon PA.
I ordered the base Camry SE with with Side Air bags and ABS only. I can't get ABS as a standard option in Texas, so had to order one from the factory. When it arrives, I will get the rebates and incentives in force at the time. Tax and fees will run about $2000.
I haven't found anyone who has had to deal with the arbitration agreement. People have given opinions, but no eperience. It says that I will have to arbitrate rather than sue, if something is wrong with the car... and I'll have to travel 30 miles away to file.
I wanted a base 2004 Camry LE automatic in the SW suburban Chicago area. I submitted my price quote request at InvoiceDealers.com and also Car.com. Surprisingly, I only recieved a total of one quote from the two websites! I was expecting two or more from each.
The quote I recieved was from Continental Toyota in Countryside, IL. The car's MSRP was stated as $20,574, including $515 for delivery, processing, and handling fee. (Although the MSRP later turned out to be $20,652 on the window sticker-the $78 increase was apparently because the buyatoyota.com website says the Z1 option of cargo net, carpet/trunk mat set and first aid kit was $184, but the window sticker says it is $262.)
So my qouted price for the car was $18,544. I also got Toyota's current $750 Camry rebate subtracted from that. Finally I gave them a printed copy of a $100 coupon on the CT website (since removed from their website), so a net price of $17,694.
Then add a doc service fee of $53.52, State tax of $1189.83, County tax of $142.48, and license plates-$80, for an out-the-door grand total of $19,159.83.
I liked the no-haggle aspect of the internet price quote system, since I am NO negotiator! The dealership didn't play any tricks, so my stress level stayed low
or or $15749 w/ 2.9 Financing. This are true Ad Cars being offered by Keyes Toyota in Van Nuys during last 3rd week of February 2004 and there 2 listed.
Is this lawful once your in the dealership and told the Salesperson you are buying the Advertise Car thru a Credit Union and would need a Purchase Order, they told me that the price $14,999 is for CASH or CHECK on the spot only! and on their Ad it's not indicated that you buy the car cash. They told me that they do not allow Credit Union financing on Ad Cars.
That $19K out the door price is a great deal. I haven't seen "validated" advertising with a better price.
Now, I have my favorite question: Did you see or sign anything that looked like an Arbitration Agreement? I'm trying to see if Toyota is doing this anywhere other than Texas.
Thank you for the direction were to go. It's just like I felt bad how they treated me. There should be laws and reforms to protect for new and old car buyers. Be aware, it makes you feel bad if people take advantage of you.
Saying that Ad Car are not available for credit union or bank financing w/ I have, next was if I like the car they need a check or cash on the spot to take it home for $14,999 + lic & docs.
I double checked their Ad that day and did not see any comments or remarks or prints saying this car is not available for credit union or bank financing. And the way they treat you, WOW it's very degrading.
Next step, they thought they have rocked my boat making me feel vulnerable and they could smell fear, lost, confusion and cast doubt on my capacity to pay. They were preparing for the opportunity to grab you by your neck and plea for mercy if you qualify to their financing.
If you have a good credit great but what if you have an average credit and worst a bad one!
What a way to be treated, you have the capacity to pay! and you know it. Have you heard the line "You are stealing the car". I answered them back that I am buying the car legally w/c was advertise but YOU(car dealer) are stealing my money squeezing more to the cars worth. Next familiar line was "The Ad Car is a Loser", we do not make money on these car so why advertise it, if you do not want to sell it to qualified buyers. Cause they won't make any money, what a joke!
I just saw another complaint about a Keyes advertised price on the Corolla board (they had one 5-speed manual CE advertised for $10999 or something, but of course it was gone, even though the poster was the first person in the dealer the day the ad was in the paper).
I went to the local Toyota dealer on President's day with the goal of purchasing a 2004 Camry SEV6. The total sticker price on the SEV6 I wanted (one of two on the lot) was $25,030 ($23,315 base +$515 delivery +$1200 required package [spoiler, odds and ends]). After a bit of back-and-forth I was quoted a purchase price of $22,200 which included a $1000 rebate (6% tax, DMV fees were extra). There had to be a couple hundred LE4's on the lot. I selected one with a total sticker price of $20,952 ($19,875 base +$515 delivery +Anti-lock brakes +Mats/Cargo Mat/first aid kit). I managed to negotiate a purchase price including the $1000 rebate of $17,200 (6% tax, DMV fees were extra).
The bottom line for me is that I could not justify the extra $5000 for the SEV6. Am I crazy or just plain cheap?
Status thus far: I've been driving the base LE4 for a couple of weeks; it drives better than any car I've ever driven (includes my 1996 V6 Avalon, and rented Opel Vectras, a couple of mid-size Mercedes, Renaults and VWs and a host of GM and Ford cars.)cars
You're not crazy, just rationale. You got a great price, because any NEW Camry with a drive-out under $20K is a good deal. However, I think that Toyota is reaching a low point in their customer relationship - quality - profit motive, because they don't offer ABS and all-airbags, as standard.
I'm in a similar boat - I want a 4 cyl with ABS, side airbags, mats, and 16" steel wheels. I asked the dealer if the LE with ABS included drum or 4 wheel disc ... and they couldn't give me a straight answer. And the Toyota service 800# told me to talk to my dealer.
I never did get a straight answer, but I can't get 16" wheels on the LE 4 Cyl. So I went with the SE, special ordered from the factory. Cost is $20K + ~$2K TTL etc. vs. base LE for $16K (not validated).
I imagine your LE is 4 Cyl, not 6 cyl and that is ~$1000. ABS is about $300, altho I've seen dealers try to get more for this option.
The SE6 may have some different toys that I'm not aware of, over the LE6, but it does have a little different styling, wheels, suspension, which I would estimate at another $1000.
I think the additional $$$ is pure profit by playing off midlife crisis for guys who can't afford a 'Vet.
Having said that, I've been driving a 1989 Camry for 15 years with no problems. Very High Quality car. I think Toyota experimented in 1992-1997, then learned from their mistakes. So, I think the 2004 or 2005 is going to be some of their best for the next 15 - 20 years. So, I'm purposely putting my 1989 out to pasture (Giving to my nephew as his first car... my kids are too old for an old, boring Camry.)
I like the ride of the LE better than the SE. The SE handles a little better, but suspension is tighter and the seats aren't as well-cushioned. But I got my safety equipment, which is worth the extra $2K to me.
-Hank2
BTW - Did you see anything about an Arbitration Agreement?
I got a quote an a Camry LE - 4 cylinder, base model with ABS & Carpetted Floor Mats, and $10 oil changes for life of car. $17,100 (I'm assuming destination fees, tax not included in the price but not sure). Any thoughts on this price -- high/low/avg?
Two things, in response to your question regarding the LE- You cannot get any LE 4 with rear discs, even the ones with ABS option. Also to the best of my knowledge (very strong when it comes to Camrys), the seats in all the models- are the exact same design and have the same padding, so the SEs seats are no different than the LEs, other than fabric/leather choices.
That is way better than my deal, and I didn't get ABS! Don't wait, just get it. And while it still hasn't been added to this website yet, despite my e-mail two or three days ago, Toyota now has a $1,000 rebate on 4 cyl Camrys, at least in some areas of the US. Go to www.buyatoyota.com & check.
Hello, all, and please, be patient as this is my girst post. I am close to closing on a 2004 Camry LE, the "Limited Edition" Camry, which is an LE w/ the SE package < special pearl white paint, fog lights, champagne interior, 16'' aluminum wheels, etc > and ABS, moon roof and all bags as options. MSRP is $23,840. The price offered is 21,726 which is $500 over invoice, but Toyota has a $1000 rebate which makes the price 20,726 + tx, license/registration, which unfortunately in AZ is HUGE, but that's another discussion...I have never bought a car w/ a rebate offered and am a bit confused. I bought a Honda LX V6 <2003> last June and paid $500 under invoice or $200 over wholesale and got splash guards, extra tint,and cargo tray,+ a 60K warranty. What gives? Help! Also, this is a cash, no trade in deal! Feel free to email me @ zguy@theriver.com. Thanks!
alpha01 is right. Rear disc brakes and ABS are standard on V6 model. And I think they called it sport seats in my SE. I have no leather. I think all seats are designed the same. But the fabric is different on SE than other cloth seat on other models. It attracts more dust and hair.
I got that exact same car as an 03 except I got the premium pkg instead of the premium plus pkg. My car was $22,150 plus a $1,000 rebate. My total OTD was $23,500, so after rebate $22,500. The difference in price between the two pkgs was about $700 (only difference is the sunroof), so sounds like a wash. I paid $1000 less, but you are getting a $700 sunroof that I did not get. I thought mine was a great deal and yours sounds like a great deal too. Go for it!
I bought the 2004 Camry Limited Edition w/the SE package < fog lights, fancy interior, 16" aluminum wheels, etc> and the ABS <AB> ,all air bags< Gy> moon roof . Price of $20,000 with rebate included, a hair under $22,400 OTD. This is in Tucson. Phoenix area offering for a bit less , but I am afraid they'll pull some shenanigans when I drive the 100 miles up there......It's a beautiful one of a kind color: pearl white w/ champagne interior w/ fake wood trim etc...Lemme know what ya think. AZGuy
$20K is a great deal. The SE is effectively an LE with a few more touches . I'm buying an SE with about the same options, but without the nice wood, interior, and unique color for about $21K ... about $22K OTD in Texas. SO, I don't think you could have done much better and still get all the nice extra touches. Congrats.
Ok lets not completely confuse people, as Toyota typically tries to do.
There is an SE model designation, which includes, among other things, 4 wheel disc brakes, 16 inch tires, power moonroof, fog lights, sport instrumentation, and an enhanced, sport-tuned suspension. The V6 models also come standard with alloys and ABS.
There is a "Limited Edition" model, which Toyota has chosen to call an LE with an "SE" meaning... "Special Edition" package... which includes 16-inch unique alloy wheels, fog lights, a unique grille, unique interior fabric, and special badging, wood trim interior, and Pearl White only- an exquisite color.
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My question to TMLTML is: what is the invoice for LE Auto? In his post, it said $18,887.55; but, according to the Edmunds, it is $18,301. Is $18,887.55 the LE Auto invoice in Texas?
The $18,887.55, includes the national and regional advertising fees.
-$750 rebate = $18,137.55
$1133.60 = 6.25% State Sales Tax
$45.98 = Dealer Inventory Tax
$50.00 = Documentary Fee
$72.30 = License Fee
$33.00 = Title Fee
$5.00 = Deputy Fee
$21.75 = State Inspection Fee
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$19,499.18 Drive-out
Does the customer have to pay it? Or, could the customer only pay part of it? I saw some advertisings with $17800-17900 for a Camry LE Auto in Texas.
If it was advertised, then it's a loss leader designed to bring people into the dealership to try to get that "great" price, and is probably already sold. Only one vehicle is ever available at that advertised price. Customers physically present at the dealership are told it is sold, and are then pressured to switch to a higher priced vehicle. No one who calls will ever be told that the vehicle has been sold, since it defeats the objective; draw people into the showroom. No, they won't offer the same "profit" margin over invoice as the advertised car, on a different car. It's a loss leader. It's an interesting learning experience if you actually go to the showroom, but you won't get the advertised price. But it's a waste of time if you think you can actually get the advertised price. It's not false advertising if they actually sell the vehicle at the advertised price, and one is all they have to sell. While I believe it should be considered false advertising for them to say the vehicle is "still available" on the phone, when they know it has already been sold, they can always say "The salesperson made a mistake. Sorry?". That's what they said to me. I would not be surprised to learn that people at the newspaper where the ad is placed, are the ones who buy the car before the ad is ever published.
Also, the advertised price is the starting point for the addition of all kinds of fees. The customer pays all advertising fees. You can explain to them why you shouldn't pay the fee till you are blue in the face, but they won't budge. That's why I only focus on the drive-out price. It bypasses their "nibbling" negotiating technique.
Remember, an online auto service is just another middleman in the supply chain who wants to get paid for their work. You can always do better if you deal directly with the dealership. However, if that's too much work for you, then go thru the shopping service.
On your trade-in, they may lowball you, so get a 7 day quote from a place like Carmax, so you have something to compare their trade-in offer to. It will speed up the "negotiation" of the price of your trade-in if you can show you are getting a good price from someone else. Don't be afraid to take your trade-in somewhere else. I sold the old Camry to Carmax, because the dealer really could not match their price.
The information is pretty accurate and upfront- configure a vehicle, and carsdirect.com will tell you the MSRP, the invoice, and their price, inclusive of any cash back offer. By backing that out of the price, you can determine what the carsdirect.com offer is. If it suits what you feel is a fair deal, based on information provided on boards like this one, then I'd say... go for it!
The only caveat with carsdirect.com is that the actual website allows for configuration of vehicles that may not exist in your area.
To this end, anyone consider a Toyota would do well to first visit www.buyatoyota.com, enter his/her zip code, choose the model and trim line, and then become familiar with which packages the vehicles in the purchaser's region are equipped.
Go back to carsdirect.com, configure accordingly, and there you have it!
~alpha
How are the two related???
ABS is WAAAAAAAY more valuable, IMO, than an extended warranty contract.
~alpha
I ordered the car and was waiting for some surprise, but the surprise was on me. Everything went smoothly and exactly according to the prices that I was quoted. Even F&I was quick and painless.
Sounds a little high to me. In SE, camry LE auto with no options is around 17K, sometimes as low as 16.5K. Last summer I saw the same car in Fl area advertised for 15.5K after 1K rebate, so selling price was 16.5K. YMMV.
ABS and Side Air bags (No ABS in TX on 4 Cyl). My price is ~ $20K, drive-out is ~ $22K. Seems OK.
However, the dealer will want me to sign an Arbitration Agreement. Has anyone else experienced this? Other than walking out, any other options? Opinions?
- Hank2
Don Davis, Texas Toyota, Toyota of Ft. Worth had various newspapers offers of Camry LE for ~ $16K. I don't guarantee that those deals would be available when a buyer appears.
-Hank2
This incident took place at Keyes Toyota in Van Nuys, CA last august. It just surprises me as to how these guys remain in business indulging in such practices and they continue with this BS every week.
The Camry SE has a slightly more sportily tuned version of the SAME suspension that is offered in the LE/XLE. Its a bit firmer, but bouncy- it is not. As I said, its the same MacPherson setup, just tuned slightly more aggressively.
Also, daveyo- Carson Toyota has some of the most agressive offers of any I have EVER seen. I dont think you will find 15,000 Camrys anywhere else in the country, at least not with "no strings attacthed".
~alpha
Thanks in advance.
The Sandman :-)
This was in Ga. I just checked edmunds. Invoice for your car in my area is 21,700 and a $500 rebate. So you should be closer to 21,000 IMHO. Good luck.
Dont believe everything a salesman or dealer says-a genuinely nice guy that my aunt recently got an 04 Civic from at an OUTSTANDING price truly believed the car had a 5 speed automatic transmission. The Accord does. The Civic absolutely does not. So even when they're being honest, they can still be wrong.
You find the suspension harsh compared to what other sporty models?
I've driven an SE 4 and the new 3.3L V6, neither felt "harsh". Certainly, I prefer the ride of the Accords and Camry SEs of the world. The Altima is a bit rougher than either, IMO.
~alpha
BTW, I only believe what I found from car manufacturers, sales brochures, and internet research. I always did my homework before hitting the showroom.
1. How much did you pay in June?
2. Did you have to sign an Arbitration Agreement?
(Or is this new for 2004)
Thanx,
Hank2
Premium Leather Package
Floor and Cargo mats
Toyo Guard
Sun Roof Wind Deflector
Rear Spoiler
I paid 24,500 after a $500 rebate. I did well and I believe we paid well below invoice.
I love the car. Awesome
What equipments that you have on yours beside ABS and sid airbags? $20K is good if you have the same options like mine plus side airbag. What is arbitration agreement? I am new to this and I didn't sign anything like this.
I have seen many SEs around. I think this is a second most popular model of Camry beside LE 4 cyl.
Sandman46, I live in Davie. I have never been to the locations you mentioned. Have visited Toyota of Hollywood, would never buy from them. I will check the locations you mentioned. Thank you.
Masspector, I just checked Edmunds for my area and it came up with $22,272 minus $500 rebate final total is $21,772. It would seem that the $21,800 is legit. Thank you for the response.
I also hear that Kendall Toyota has some good prices.
Let me know how it all plays out!
The Sandman :-)
Convenience Plus Package B(6-disc changer, moon roof),
Black Pearl Emblems,
floor mat,
I was offered at $20,000 after 750 rebate. Is it a good deal? Ready to buy it on Monday.
I haven't found anyone who has had to deal with the arbitration agreement. People have given opinions, but no eperience. It says that I will have to arbitrate rather than sue, if something is wrong with the car... and I'll have to travel 30 miles away to file.
-Hank2
The quote I recieved was from Continental Toyota in Countryside, IL. The car's MSRP was stated as $20,574, including $515 for delivery, processing, and handling fee. (Although the MSRP later turned out to be $20,652 on the window sticker-the $78 increase was apparently because the buyatoyota.com website says the Z1 option of cargo net, carpet/trunk mat set and first aid kit was $184, but the window sticker says it is $262.)
So my qouted price for the car was $18,544. I also got Toyota's current $750 Camry rebate subtracted from that. Finally I gave them a printed copy of a $100 coupon on the CT website (since removed from their website), so a net price of $17,694.
Then add a doc service fee of $53.52, State tax of $1189.83, County tax of $142.48, and license plates-$80, for an out-the-door grand total of $19,159.83.
I liked the no-haggle aspect of the internet price quote system, since I am NO negotiator!
Is this lawful once your in the dealership and told the Salesperson you are buying the Advertise Car thru a Credit Union and would need a Purchase Order, they told me that the price $14,999 is for CASH or CHECK on the spot only! and on their Ad it's not indicated that you buy the car cash. They told me that they do not allow Credit Union financing on Ad Cars.
Help!
Now, I have my favorite question: Did you see or sign anything that looked like an Arbitration Agreement? I'm trying to see if Toyota is doing this anywhere other than Texas.
Thanx,
Hank2
Saying that Ad Car are not available for credit union or bank financing w/ I have, next was if I like the car they need a check or cash on the spot to take it home for $14,999 + lic & docs.
I double checked their Ad that day and did not see any comments or remarks or prints saying this car is not available for credit union or bank financing. And the way they treat you, WOW it's very degrading.
Next step, they thought they have rocked my boat making me feel vulnerable and they could smell fear, lost, confusion and cast doubt on my capacity to pay. They were preparing for the opportunity to grab you by your neck and plea for mercy if you qualify to their financing.
If you have a good credit great but what if you have an average credit and worst a bad one!
What a way to be treated, you have the capacity to pay! and you know it. Have you heard the line "You are stealing the car". I answered them back that I am buying the car legally w/c was advertise but YOU(car dealer) are stealing my money squeezing more to the cars worth. Next familiar line was "The Ad Car is a Loser", we do not make money on these car so why advertise it, if you do not want to sell it to qualified buyers. Cause they won't make any money, what a joke!
The total sticker price on the SEV6 I wanted (one of two on the lot) was $25,030 ($23,315 base +$515 delivery +$1200 required package [spoiler, odds and ends]). After a bit of back-and-forth I was quoted a purchase price of $22,200 which included a $1000 rebate (6% tax, DMV fees were extra). There had to be a couple hundred LE4's on the lot. I selected one with a total sticker price of $20,952 ($19,875 base +$515 delivery +Anti-lock brakes +Mats/Cargo Mat/first aid kit). I managed to negotiate a purchase price including the $1000 rebate of $17,200 (6% tax, DMV fees were extra).
The bottom line for me is that I could not justify the extra $5000 for the SEV6. Am I crazy or just plain cheap?
Status thus far:
I've been driving the base LE4 for a couple of weeks; it drives better than any car I've ever driven (includes my 1996 V6 Avalon, and rented Opel Vectras, a couple of mid-size Mercedes, Renaults and VWs and a host of GM and Ford cars.)cars
I'm in a similar boat - I want a 4 cyl with ABS, side airbags, mats, and 16" steel wheels. I asked the dealer if the LE with ABS included drum or 4 wheel disc ... and they couldn't give me a straight answer. And the Toyota service 800# told me to talk to my dealer.
I never did get a straight answer, but I can't get 16" wheels on the LE 4 Cyl. So I went with the SE, special ordered from the factory. Cost is $20K + ~$2K TTL etc. vs. base LE for $16K (not validated).
I imagine your LE is 4 Cyl, not 6 cyl and that is
~$1000. ABS is about $300, altho I've seen dealers try to get more for this option.
The SE6 may have some different toys that I'm not aware of, over the LE6, but it does have a little different styling, wheels, suspension, which I would estimate at another $1000.
I think the additional $$$ is pure profit by playing off midlife crisis for guys who can't afford a 'Vet.
Having said that, I've been driving a 1989 Camry for 15 years with no problems. Very High Quality car. I think Toyota experimented in 1992-1997, then learned from their mistakes. So, I think the 2004 or 2005 is going to be some of their best for the next 15 - 20 years. So, I'm purposely putting my 1989 out to pasture (Giving to my nephew as his first car... my kids are too old for an old, boring Camry.)
I like the ride of the LE better than the SE. The SE handles a little better, but suspension is tighter and the seats aren't as well-cushioned. But I got my safety equipment, which is worth the extra $2K to me.
-Hank2
BTW - Did you see anything about an Arbitration Agreement?
~alpha
XLE 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 4A)
HV XLE Premium Plus Package
GY Side and Curtain Airbags
HD Heated Front Seats
CF Carpet Floor/Trunk Mat Set
I got a offer for $22141 (already included $750 cash rebate), before tax, title and registration.
Is this price good?
-Hank2
There is an SE model designation, which includes, among other things, 4 wheel disc brakes, 16 inch tires, power moonroof, fog lights, sport instrumentation, and an enhanced, sport-tuned suspension. The V6 models also come standard with alloys and ABS.
There is a "Limited Edition" model, which Toyota has chosen to call an LE with an "SE" meaning... "Special Edition" package... which includes 16-inch unique alloy wheels, fog lights, a unique grille, unique interior fabric, and special badging, wood trim interior, and Pearl White only- an exquisite color.
~alpha