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Steve, Host
I have seen posts referring to Sandstone but on the '05 they call it Desert Rock, just wondering if they are the same thing.
And by the way, how is the all wheel drive? I'm used to 4 Hi in my Blazer and could whiz right by the chain checkpoints in the Sierras.
Thanks in advance.
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I have Bridgestone Deuler A/Ts on my Trooper and those tires are as quiet as the stock H/Ts that came with it and seem very good in all conditions.
Both trucks have very good AWD/4wd systems so it is hard to say 1 tire is better than the other? I feel more confident in deep snow in the trooper, but that just may be due to the 4wd system.
Check out tirerack.com for some subjective reviews, but it at least gives you a starting point.
Can anyone answer the specific question about the OD off switch?
For most cars, putting them in "1" or "2" locks them in that gear, usually for winter driving, but "3" (or some cases "4") keep the automatic selection between the 1st 3 gears but locks out overdrive.
About a decade ago, a lot of cars (Mazda comes to mind) had a push button on the gear shift labeled "OD off" and this confused so many people who didn't read their manual as to what it was that most manufacturers simply made the selection a little more benign so that only those that understood when OD should be off would actually use it.
Despite the 5 speed auto in the Pilot, I am almost sure that I remember that both the 4th and 5th gears are an OD ratio, which is why I am noting "3" here and not "4" for the Pilot. I don't have the car or manual in front of me, so I could be wrong with that detail, but my point is the same. The manual describes this in detail, so fret not concerning towing with the Pilot.
Elliot
- Mark
Sooner or later I'm sure every model will have everything.
But then, the people who don't care about these things (that's a LOT of people)will complain about the price!
In many cases the safety feature is not going to prevent serious/fatal injuries, except in the most optimum of accidents. I recall seeing Chrysler/Plymouth minivan which had hit a metal light pole in the neighborhood at 35 mph or less. The pole broke off. The woman driving died, despite airbags and seatbelt. Her children with her survived.
I've been using seatbelts since I installed them in a car myself long ago--the car had screw-threaded holes in the floor for them to be installed. That was the safety feature then.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I am not entirely sold on some safety features. My wife is shorter and I worry about her proximity to the steering wheel and the airbag deploying, however nowadays you can't avoid a safety feature (or hazard) even if you wanted to.
Good thing I never got hit!
When I looked at a Pilot, what I thought was flexible netting on the console turned out to be hard plastic! It looked like it would be fairly easy to break if pressure was put on it (which I think would be likely considering its location and function).
Any comment so its durability?
Check the number of people, vehicles, miles driven, and rate at which people are killed or, more importantly, seriously injured in vehicle accidents and it will be clear that these safety features are working.
Honda's "safety for all" slogan is as good as a US presidential politician's slogan that he or she (no a "she" can not be a US president...now I'm way off topic!) won't invade any country. Honda should have made curtain air bag feature available at least as option, people who care about it will pay for it.
The Ody has got all kinds of toys, super comfy seats (although I must say that we never suffered any fatigue in the Pilot), curtain air bags.
I know everyone has different needs and preferences, but do you fellow Pilot owners have any opinions? Have any of you switched over?
Thanks~
Nancy
Actually, the biggest "real" complaint (i.e. besides male ego embarassment) I hear from mini-van drivers (new Odyssey and Sienna included) are in the areas of handling and performance, as well as winter utility. We have friends who ranted about their new Toyota Sienna a year ago and have already traded it for a Volvo XC90. They acknowledge that the Sienna was much more passenger space friendly, but they drive from DC to Pittsburgh frequently. They wanted a vehicle that was better equipped for snow and handled better on the highway.
I may have gotten a bad apple, but one 750 mile round trip in a rented Odyssey a couple of years ago convinced me that I could not drive one on a regular basis. The return trip was windy and rainy and I felt like the minivan was being blown all over the road. Never again.
We did say goodbye to it last night. We had a 75 mile drive home---not really long enough to give too many details on how the Ody drove. The "toys" are pretty awesome. For now I think this change will suit us better, but I do plan on getting another Pilot in addition to the van maybe a year from now.
The Pilot was very good to us and I must defend the seat comfort. The Pilot has a sporty feel to it and the seats are more firm than others, but after long drives there is no fatigue. And I have a picky back! I must also say that I know what you mean about the handling. The Pilot was very, very responsive for an SUV. And I also noticed that the brakes are much better in the Pilot than the Ody.
It's been great.
Whatever you call it, being able to manually select D4 while towing a load, especially in hilly terrain, is a very nice feature. On my current SUV (a ML320), I don't leave it in D4 while towing, but I often find myself manually shifting to D4 to handle a moderate grade/headwind, to reduce gear hunting, or to reduce brake wear coming down a grade. If the only Pilot option you have for these contigencies is to shift from D5 to D3, this seems like a significant drawback to me. I'm sure one can work around it, but it is still a drawback.
- Mark
Maybe I was naive to think that someone on this forum would be able to share some real world experience about towing with this vehicle.
Has anyone on the Edmunds forum actually used a Pilot to tow with??? If so, what happened??
reichowjr Feb 10, 2004 12:02pm
Steve, Host
Pilots DVD is too small anyway, your better off with aftermarket screens in headrest set up.
I saw reference to a post I made back on 2/10/04.
I have continued to pull my Pace 6 x 10 utility trailer at freeway speed and get approximately 10 mpg with a very light load 200 lbs plus the weight of the trailer 2000 lbs. The Pilot has very little range requiring frequent fill ups when towing. I have three small children and every stop is a 30 min deal and quite frustrating every 160 miles. The Pilot feels very planted to the road and always in control of the trailer.
The transmission is not geared properly for towing and not being able to put it in 4th gear is a huge flaw.
The Pilot is best suited for light towing in town but not long haul on the freeway. I would strongly discourage purchasing this vehicle if the main intent is towing distance along the freeway. It has the power and sure footedness to tow but not right transmission and or gearing.
I currently have owned it for two years and have almost 30,000 miles on it. Other problem areas are warping rotors, thin paint, stretching leather/vinyl, and soft B pillar plastic.
On the plus side the engine and transmission work together well without the trailer with plenty of spirited performance. The Pilot handles well in the sand along the beaches of NC. The springs are a little soft for the bumps along beach. I did upgrade to Michelin cross terrains which have more grip than the Goodyears that came with vehicle.
We traded in for $25k and we were a bit over 27k miles.
The Pilot was great to us, but I can't tell you enough how happy we are with the new Ody--it is much more suited for our family and the Navigation is super!
My current configuration has a youth seat with 2 forward facing car seats and no problems with space. Hope this helps.
A correctly installed belted seat is as safe (if not safer) than a correctly installed seat with LATCH.
Do minivan sliding doors drive you crazy or are they easy to live with?
Also is the next generation Pilot going to be based on the latest '05 Odyssey platform?
Thanks, John
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe the platform of the new Odyssey has changed at all from the outgoing model (and, therefore, the Pilot's current platform).
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The Pilot was a great car, but this van is perfect for us now. Whatever your needs, you can't go wrong with either car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S