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FZJ80s (previous gen) have sliding windows in the rear
Currently they have pop-outs.
-mike
I will be installing the Honda security system, anyone have experience with it? Please let me know how it went.
Danny
The spare is the reason why the CR-V has a side-hinged gate, but that has nothing to do with the split window. You can have a side swinging gate with a fixed window. I believe the RAV4 and GV have that arrangement (not sure, I'll have to check).
I don't know if the 1st gen had the operating window.
Any tips appreciated. Alot of $$$ for this car and I don't want to screw it up using bad products.
Thanks.
It's already out. It's called the Odyssey.
Bob
Not all kids will want to be boostered for that long, of course. But please also consider that you have that awkward belt-from-the-ceiling in the middle of the 2nd row (and third), and some kind of belt-positioning from the booster can only help the child (you don't want that belt around the kid's neck!).
Though I wish Honda had put more padding there.
Tomorrow, my wife and I will be heading over to the dealer to purchase an EX-L in redrock with no market adjustment or unwanted DIOs. If everything goes well, we should be driving the new SUVan by 11AM. We have had it on order for about a month now and we are really excited to finally see it.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Stephen
If they do add a moonroof, rear opening glass, and heated leather seats in a few years I may have found my next car.
Acura has taken heat for the MDX not being a full luxury class vehicle, I think they will move it more upscale and as they do the Pilot will get more options.
PAYLOAD- I have filled the rear with cargo multiple times and find the access very easy. Once with 30 bags of topsoil weighing 40 lbs each I did notice that the rear wheels fanned out as does the Ody loaded with large arses. 1200 lbs of topsoil =___large arses? Is this putting too mush stress on the lugs?
SHIFTER/CONSOLE- Though awkward feeling at first the column shifter frees up a letter size inbox between the seats for the mobile office. This has been great.
CENTER 2nd Row- My 9 year old daughter likes this seat the best and has had no complaints. She even pulls down the shoulder harness and connects it then asks for my key to unlatch it and tuck it back in the ceiling when we're back home.
SUNROOF- I don't miss the solar heater a bit. One of my taller friends noted that this was the first SUV that he had plenty of headroom in and will probably buy one soon.
STEP RAILS To answer previous poster. Step rails are for men and running boards are for women as the Honda Sales manager put it. Step rails allow for easier cleaning as there is space between them and the paint vs the running boards.
I head back to the dealer next week to have hitch installed that I paid for June 4 at delivery. I didn't want to wait an extra day to roll. I will add the fog lights and step rails the same day just for fun and to make the front a little more rugged looking.
My main disappointment has been the 16 mpg around Atlanta. Perhaps it is my offensive driving. Does the mileage get better with break in or do I have to change my driving habits?
The only other issue is that I can't see over the hood as it tapers forward making it hard to judge how close I am to the curb or wall. Would the wind deflector serve as a center hood ornament replacement to judge distance?
Happy Piloting!
Bob
My advice, I guess, is to go in expecting MSRP, which I believe is fair at this time. People come in expecting to negotiate all the time, and we just don't do it. We hate to lose customers, but the thing is that someone else will realize we are being fair and prompt. And for those of you waiting patiently, keep it up. SOmetimes these things drop from the sky -- we weren't supposed to get one with a Nav system for another week -- and it showed up 2 weeks ago. Just depends on what the trucks load up. Let me know what you think.
We took "cold" test drive in base ES. Very impressed with brake responsiveness and short turning radius, far better than RX300. Couldn't determine noise level at 70mph+ 'cause we didn't crank it up that fast. Dealer said they add $3k to asking MSRP, plus, many models come with dealer installed goodies.
Nice car. Price much to high to consider now. Maybe when general SUV supply exceeds demand we shall see prices worked from invoice rather than MSRP...a year or two?
My dealer is in NC but that won't be much help to you since you are in CA. Alinda is correct, you should expect to pay NO MORE than MSRP. And since they are making a huge profit at that price, why should you pay full price for accessories? You can find these discounted for the pilot online. As far as labor goes, it doesn't cost the dealership $70.00 per hour to install these accessories as most would want to charge. So why should you pay that much?
When I bought my 2000 Odyssey I didn't get on a list, didn't pay more than MSRP, didn't pay for extras, and didn't wait (had it in 2 days from visiting dealership).
I would suggest that you guys read the excellent book by Robert Cialdini "Influence-Science and Practice". This would help you greatly in interacting with the dealers.
And before someone flames me about "supply and demand" and the Pilot being worth more than MSRP, I would just say that supply and demand are easily manipulated. Just don't fall for the tactics. Read the book.
Will you be installing the system yourself? Have you obtained a quote for the cost of dealer installation?
I am no expert with regard to security systems, but it does seem as though the Honda system is not very sophisticated compared to the aftermarket systems. For instance, I do not think that the Honda system includes glass breakage sensors or interior "radar" (the radar sensors apparently sound the alarm if movement is detected within the vehicle).
At this point, I am leaning toward the purchase of an aftermarket alarm (probably DEI) but do not trust any of the potential installation techs I have talked with. Have you considered any aftermarket manufacturers?
Good luck.
Has anyone heard a very high-pitched whistling noise coming from under the hood (right section) a few minutes after shutting off the engine? We had this happen, and it was very strange. It lasted about 1 to 2 minutes, and it slowly whistled itself out, but we were wondering if it were something to do with pressure build up of one of the hoses or reservoirs. It's only happened once (that we know of).
Regarding the previous posts about the phenomenon with the 2nd row windows, we definitely experienced this. We were driving about 50 mph, and my son opened his 2nd row window (all other windows were closed), and we all about came unglued! It was a horrible vibrating pressure in our ears, and it was painful. I'm glad to hear that it's not just a Pilot thing and that other SUVs have the same phenomenon, but I can tell you right now we won't EVER open the 2nd row windows alone again.
Other than that, we love our new vehicle. The next big task is coming up with a name for it and learning the Nav system!
Anyway, we were paying $438 (6-month policy) for our '99 Honda Accord. The Pilot increased that by about $110. We're in California (Sacramento to be exact, which is one of the top 10 auto theft cities), and we were expecting the cost to be much higher. Our coverage is 100k/300k/50k with a $250 comp deduct, $500 collis deduct, and rental/towing reimbursement. Just thought I'd let folks know because I'd seen previous posts regarding insurance costs.
Who knows... just returned from a two week business trip driving an assortment of large GM sedans. Maybe I just have American car lead foot, and my Pilot is responding more harshly?
Perhaps not but someone has to pay the rent and cover costs for heating/cooling, insurance, benefits, equipment, tools and so on. Also, most dealerships do not send their mechanics home (off-clock) between jobs. It's called overhead.
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I tried the same test on our Pilot with the same results. After reading the manual and learning little, I checked in our owner's manual for our 2001 Olds Aurora. It said to wait 30 seconds after locking the door to test the system. So I tried this procedure on our Pilot and sure enough, it set off the horn and lights. I also talked to our dealer and they were unaware of this 30 second thing. They did find out for me that it does not have glass breakage detection.
Our Pilot replaced a Ford Explorer. A difference of night and day. The Pilot rides and handles
"ten times" better. On a 300 mile round trip from Phoenix to Flagstaff, driving 75 to 80, we got
22.4 mpg. We have not found any thing significant to complain about ( the temperature on the auto air is a little hard to read in some light conditions). No rattles or noises so far. We love the vehicle.
1) Does anyone have a photo of a pilot with just the lower trim and not the fog lights. Is there a "hole" for the fog lights to go or is it not really noticeable where the fog lights will go. I see there is a little indentation area around the fog light area but I can't stand it when there are holes with louvers where the fog lights should be.
2) Those of you with fog lights. Do they work only with the low beams or do they come on with the parking lights on too? I know they don't come on with the high beams.
Thanks
So perhaps the kit reprograms or modifies the shifting to make them more abrubt thereby leading to a longer tranny life. Just a guess, but it isn't a bad thing.
-mike
I saw 2 others mention the clicking problem, and we have it too! It's an annoying clicking sound, which sees to come from the area of the front lower driver's side, that seems to increase in frequency when the car drives faster; also when the car is hot (e.g, from sitting in the summer sun). My husband thinks this from the rotation of the speedometer cable when it has expanded (lengthened)in the heat; he doesn't think it's the tach. cable b/c he tried putting the car in neutral going downhill & it didn't chg. the frequency and also revv'd the engine in while standing still, and no clicking. We haven't taken it back to the dealer yet, but are wondering if anyone else has experienced this yet, or has other ideas about its source.
Also, beware of children's feet hitting the louvers on the 2d row AC vents; the plastic nubs that hold them in are very easily knocked out of place and although they can be popped back in, they look like they will not last long. Someone else reported them as cheap, and they are!
Thanks for the transmission thoughts. I guess I'll think of the change as a positive. One more question for you... I also noticed this afternoon a very high pitched sound (almost inaudible) coming from under the hood. I could only hear it when I was outside the car with the engine running. This, too, was not present before the towing kit adjustments. Any thoughts?
-mike
They work only with low beams.
There are no holes you have to cut them in.
http://en.carpoint.msn.ca/cias2002/gallery_cat.asp#1 (click on the picture of the white Pilot on the left)
Is this how the Pilot in white looks, or was this just made up for the autoshow. Does anyone know if this is an option for white or other colors?
I'm referring to the black trim at the bottom of the vehicle.
P.S.: I think it looks good.
Thanks
She doesn't have to use your key to unlatch it. After pressing the red button to release the right side, just use the free metal end to unlatch the left side. I don't know why the manual tells you to use the key when this way works as well.
It does look good in that picture. The blacked out bottom gives it a more svelte profile. VW uses the same optical illusion with many of their cars. The Passat comes to mind. It helps hide the love handles on bigger cars.
Bob